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UK Conservatives Pledge To Create Government-Controlled Internet (independent.co.uk)

Martin S. writes: Theresa May, the leader of the UK Conservative Party has pledged to create new internet that would be controlled and regulated by government on re-election. An early lead in the polls appears to be slipping but not slowly enough to change the result. Social Media has rapidly become an intense political battlefield. Known as #Mayhem in some circles, but seemingly able to command significant support from new and old media. Also, applying new social media analytics. According to the manifesto, the plans will allow Britain to become "the global leader in the regulation of the use of personal data and the internet." It states, "Some people say that it is not for government to regulate when it comes to technology and the internet... We disagree."

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  1. Never underestimate the power of stupid by Sebby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They passed the Snooper's Charter. They could very well pass this too.

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  2. Re: poor britain by Oxygen99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We've never had a taste of fascist government before so we don't know how it happens. We will though.

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  3. Viable Opposition by Kunedog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is why we need viable leftist opposition parties that actually care about things like free speech, labor rights, and illegal immigration. If you spit in the voting public's face long enough, they will flock to the lesser evil that doesn't completely disregard their interests.

    1. Re:Viable Opposition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why does not the Brit yeomanry shoot down, hang and slaughter the mocking elites tyrannizing them ? Have they lost completely 14,000 years of Pict, Roman, Saxon, spear-Dane and Burgundian blood ? Smells like the shitpile left over from a drunken faggot bawd.

  4. UK - 1984 - a surveillance state's wet dream. by MindPrison · · Score: 4, Insightful

    UK never cease to amaze me.

    They have tons of CCTV cameras literally everywhere, they want the U.K. to be truly isolated from the rest of the world, Brexit...and of course, now - total control and obedience of all their citizens.

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    1. Re:UK - 1984 - a surveillance state's wet dream. by tendrousbeastie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I certainly take William Baric's point about the use of insults in arguments like this, rather than trying to use reason and debate. This whole page does seem very similar to a Guardian page in that regard - starts of for the first 5 minutes with an attempt at a well constructed debate (I say that regardless of what side anyone might take on any side of any debate), but then quickly everyone interested sincere debate is forced to flee because it gets taken over by insults and partisan childishness.

      Specifically addressing this particular issue (which I must if I wish to avoid being ignored) - I am British and I voted to leave the EU last June, and I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with my, there was strong feeling on either side of the debate (I'd feel annoyed if someone called me an idiot, but I feel I could live with it, I'm not given to much self-doubt). I have felt the we should leave the EU for around 15 years, and was glad to have chance to vote on it, but it was obvious obvious that as soon as the referendum neared it would get taken over by politicians and campaigners and crappy arguments such as the bus slogans.

      It doesn't mean that we all have to join in. William Baric's point above was essentially expressing his indignation about being called a idiot for his choices in a democratic vote. He expressed it with a certain emotional stance that has cased you Barsterward to reply in kind.

      Why? Why not address the points at stake and not the people. Who cares if William Baric is or is not an idiot? There is a much more interesting issue in this sub-thread about Britain's choices about surveillance, online and offline, and whether we should continue these policies and what we can do about it (I imagine this applies quite well the US too, 1st amendment notwithstanding). Why so quickly resort insults?

  5. Punishment for BREXIT. by thesupraman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The thing to remember is that this is pretty much all a reaction to the BREXIT vote.

    As was pretty clear to anyone not jerking their knee, that vote turned into a 'do what the government/financial organisations tell you' versus 'dont do what they tell you', as we know where that ended up.

    Now, the government, naturally, was horrified - people actually exercised their rights, against what they were told to do, even though they were told it would cost the people in power actual money!

    So, what is the governments reaction? To do their very best to make sure that can never happen again. They want total control, which means both controlling the flow of information, and knowing everything about everyone, so they can keep the population nice and compliant. In other words, those in control are escalating, rather than learning from their mistake - they are doubling down on their losses.

    The only sane solution for the general population is to double down on telling them no. Not through such ridiculous means as protest or debate, and of course not through any form of violence - that is just giving more control to those in power as they make the majority think they need more protection.

    The solution is to keep doing exactly what they don't want you to - and that is voting AGAINST them, removing career politicians from office whenever and where ever possible. Unfortunately that is going to mean voting for some idiots - but the important thing to do is to vote for idiots that wont be able to hold on to power - ones who talk too much, dont have lots of friends in high places, etc.

    Very sad, but thats what democracy has degenerated to - mostly because of a lack of limitations in place to stop politicians continuously growing their power.

    Those in control need to know that the majority wont support their carefully crafted 'you need us, give us more power over you' story.

    1. Re:Punishment for BREXIT. by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not punishment for Brexit. They've wanted to do this kind of stuff for years but needed to be out of the EU to do it. Once the UK is out of the EU the government will be free to trounce upon the rights of the people because citizens won't be able to go to the Supreme Court in Brussels.

      They played the fear of immigrants along with lies that money no longer going to the EU would pay for everything, especially the NHS. The day after the vote they said there was no money for the NHS or anything else and they recently admitted it was all lies. And May will continue to promise a bunch of pretty things for the voters this election to get in so that she can finalize the UKs exit from the EU and introduce a bunch of draconian legislation such as this. All in the name to fight terrorism and protect the children. The people need most protecting from the politicians right now.

  6. No big whoop, comrade by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We have a government-controlled internet in the US, too. It's just not controlled by our government.

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  7. FFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Will shitheads please stop conflating things that aren't related to each other? "Right wingers" often care about free speech, especially in regards to refuting government control! It's fuckers like you from both artificial "sides" of politics, that conflate shit to make politics into a fucking football match, that stop "Lefists" and "Right wingers" from banding together to stop this sort of dystopian, rights-squandering, stupid government overreach from happening. When it gets through, it will be because people like YOU won't agree on this issue because you are too busy pigeonholing people you disagree with on other issues as the dreaded Other!

    1. Re:FFS by Freischutz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Will shitheads please stop conflating things that aren't related to each other? "Right wingers" often care about free speech, especially in regards to refuting government control! It's fuckers like you from both artificial "sides" of politics, that conflate shit to make politics into a fucking football match, that stop "Lefists" and "Right wingers" from banding together to stop this sort of dystopian, rights-squandering, stupid government overreach from happening. When it gets through, it will be because people like YOU won't agree on this issue because you are too busy pigeonholing people you disagree with on other issues as the dreaded Other!

      That is true, one should not pigeonhole people, but according to the polls millions of conservatives are going to go out and vote for this woman. So while these conservatives may care about freedom of speech and government control it would appear that they do not care about these things so much that voting for somebody who wants to gut freedom of speech and extend government control is a deal breaker for them. Now I'm not saying that they should go out and vote for Jeremy Corbyn but they could stay at home rather than vote for Margaret Thatcher Mk.II.

    2. Re:FFS by polyp2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This really depends on who's media you read. If you are basing those facts on British TV and Newspapers the chances are you wont have noticed that Theresa May's party could equally be branded with the "dumpster fire" slur. After all , her party was fighting over the manifesto and was the last to get it released. And my what a nightmarish proposition it is. But the BBC and even "reputable" newspapers are guilty of bias.

      I would remind voters that they are NOT voting for the leader of the party ,they are voting on their candidate. Read the manifesto's and decide which policies you think are beneficial. Try not to be selfish , think about how those policies will affect not you , but everyone else in the coutry. Try to think about how those policies will affect the environment and the planet. But do NOT vote because you have a thing against a certain person.

      Reading the Conservative manifesto is basically a death wish for millions of needy people and also for the environment. FFS do not endorse the Tory manifesto by voting for it.

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  8. Theresa May, by jenningsthecat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and if it moves her nation towards totalitarianism, she probably Will.

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  9. Look no further than by dschiptsov · · Score: 4, Insightful

    China, Iran, Russia and Turkey for this kind of innovations. It would be sad and ironic if UK will join this elite club.

  10. Re:isn't the internet Gov controlled now? by coastwalker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Good points. Not only that but the right wing Conservative party have seen an opportunity through the Brexit process for a land grab of unimaginable proportions. The policies they have put in their manifesto will take them forward a quarter of a century on the path to oppression in a single election. This is a disaster of epic proportions because no party once in power has ever stepped away from the levers of power once acquired. So all this shit is here to stay even if they get voted out in the future. Given the strength of the position they are giving themselves on big data I doubt they will leave power for the next quarter century either. This is the biggest political disaster in my lifetime, the end of politics; total corruption.

    The UK will indeed be leading the world, leading the world with a right-wing big-government totalitarian hell hole.

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  11. Dear Mrs. May by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I usually sell good advice. Actually, that's my job. This one is just for you, and it's free: Don't even try.

    In the end, what you will get if you actually go through with your plan is heaps of cost, very little gain and lots and lots of pissed off people who break any law you try to make in this area with impunity. And, to make matters worse, you create a society that doesn't take you or your state serious anymore when it comes to its ability to pass sensible laws.

    What you're heading for is essentially what fell the East Bloc: That the people you are trying to govern do not believe in your ability to govern anymore. Now, in a truly democratic society, this problem can be solved: You'll be voted out and someone who the people believe in gets voted in. Sadly, this option is not really a viable one anymore since whoever would get voted in would only continue to abuse the system you are trying to create just as much as you do.

    What people do in such a case is to simply create a society outside yours. A parallel society that lives with your laws, but basically ignore them. And such societies rarely stop at ignoring those laws that they (rightfully) identified as evil, useless and detrimental. The problem with such parallel societies is that once they start breaking laws, they cannot rely on your legal system and executive anymore to protect them against breaking other laws.

    Mrs. May, don't make the same mistake the East Bloc made. You still have a working country, despite your government, don't squander that.

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  12. Re:The independent is bollocks by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I remember when the Independent was a politically neutral dull and worthy newspaper. Now it has become an anti-government clickbait site.

    No, you're falling into the same trap that much of the media has fallen into. If one side is worthy of more criticism, then it is neutral to do so.

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