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Wikimedia Is Clear To Sue the NSA Over Its Use of Warrantless Surveillance Tools (engadget.com)

The Wikimedia Foundation has the right to sue the National Security Agency over its use of warrantless surveillance tools, a federal appeals court ruled. "A district judge shot down Wikimedia's case in 2015, saying the group hadn't proved the NSA was actually illegally spying on its communications," reports Engadget. "In this case, proof was a tall order, considering information about the targeted surveillance system, Upstream, remains classified." From the report: The appeals court today ruled Wikimedia presented sufficient evidence that the NSA was in fact monitoring its communications, even if inadvertently. The Upstream system regularly tracks the physical backbone of the internet -- the cables and routers that actually transmit our emoji. With the help of telecom providers, the NSA then intercepts specific messages that contain "selectors," email addresses or other contact information for international targets under U.S. surveillance. "To put it simply, Wikimedia has plausibly alleged that its communications travel all of the roads that a communication can take, and that the NSA seizes all of the communications along at least one of those roads," the appeals court writes. "Thus, at least at this stage of the litigation, Wikimedia has standing to sue for a violation of the Fourth Amendment. And, because Wikimedia has self-censored its speech and sometimes forgone electronic communications in response to Upstream surveillance, it also has standing to sue for a violation of the First Amendment."

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  1. Re:Sue the government? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes. The government is not above its own law. It MUST be held accountable. If the government cannot be restrained by the courts, any semblance of democracy is gone.

  2. Re:Completely Frivolous Claim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    On the Fourth Amendment claim, the search must be unreasonable in order to be a violation. An unreasonable search is one that is not supported by a warrant. Contrary to the claim, the NSA has always had a warrant to conduct mass surveillance issued by the FISA court.

    Did you miss the phrase "warrantless surveillance" in the summary?
    The actual court ruling is here: https://www.aclu.org/legal-doc...

  3. Not a failure of democracy-- it is democracy by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 3, Informative

    The fact that the system of checks and balances sometimes works ineffectively doesn't mean that the system of checks and balances doesn't work at all.

    In fact, the courts do present a barrier to abuse of power on the part of executive agencies. Not a perfect system-- and the ability of agencies to withhold information what they are doing, for security reasons, is indeed a serious barrier to court oversight-- but nevertheless, it is not completely broken.

    You would be better to direct your cynicism toward the people. A large portion of the population (very likely the majority of the population) wants greater surveillance of communications, and wants the agencies hunting terrorists to do so secretly: they want to catch and shut down the terrorists whatever it takes. This isn't a "failure" of democracy-- this is democracy. IF it's a failure, it's a failure of the restraints on democracy.

    If you want to change that: figure out how to make people less scared. (Good luck with that.)

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    http://www.geoffreylandis.com
    1. Re:Not a failure of democracy-- it is democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      No. Have you not been paying attention? Citizens United is just a stupid description, it is more corporations united, and money has a louder voice in our oligarchy, that is by no means a democracy. Technically we would not be a democracy, anyways. We are supposed to be a republic. Insofar as terrorism goes, this is more manufactured consent from fear mongering. We create terrorists. Unless you think that our military just can not spot some shit rag tag army going across an open desert.