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Manchester Attack Could Lead To Internet Crackdown (independent.co.uk)
New submitter boundary writes: The UK government looks to be about to put the most egregious parts of the Investigative Powers Act into force "soon after the election" (which is in a couple of weeks) in the wake of the recent bombing in Manchester. "Technical Capability Orders" require tech companies to break their own security. I wonder who'll comply? The Independent reports: "Government will ask parliament to allow the use of those powers if Theresa May is re-elected, senior ministers told The Sun. 'We will do this as soon as we can after the election, as long as we get back in,' The Sun said it was told by a government minister. 'The level of threat clearly proves there is no more time to waste now. The social media companies have been laughing in our faces for too long.'"
It is an ominous action what was performed when parents were waiting to pickup their children after a concert.
After declaring something that it is true, let's talk about technology and the justification to violate the privacy human right in the name of security.
If there is any justification to break all rights trying to catch terrorists, then we must stop using paper because somebody "could" have been designing a terrorist act in a piece of paper. Let's also stop talking, because when we talk could be possible that we let others to receive messages describing how to perform terrorist acts.
Let's give the authorities the right to use "advanced" interrogation methods, because we could be thinking on performing terrorist acts and, in general, let's become guilty by default in a world were it is enforced to demonstrate that we are not guilty on any possible action that could hurt others.
The main problem is that the human being it is very capable to bypass the obvious communication methods and the bad people will continue performing bad actions in one or another way, and in the middle all the really innocent people will become guilty by default and the freedom that humanity has been working to acquire during thousands of years and millions of lives will be lost in just some years. And if this happen, the terrorists will win the war.
The UK faced that with the Irish question before the wide use of the Internet. The UK solved that by collecting all phone calls into and out of Ireland, the UK.
The very smart thing the UK did was never to mention collection to lawyers, the media, human rights groups or its own police.
Very interesting people in Ireland and the US, UK kept on talking, funding, making calls, arranging meetings, moving hardware thinking phone calls and voice prints could only be used in the Soviet Union for a select few Soviet mil sites and officials.
The very interesting people in the UK do not need the internet. They can use their holidays to move information in person.
The UK solved the "This could include face to face" meeting issue down to two people meeting in isolated areas.
Get the voice prints, the faces and follow a person all over Ireland, the UK with vans, trucks, cars, helicopters, early satalite tracking. Find out who they meet, record the talk or exchange and then offer both sides a "deal" to work for the UK intelligence services.
The deal on offer was usually accepted.
As people who got turned early on moved up to more trusted Irish networks, more interesting people got exposed and got offered the same deal.
The UK police, media, lawyers, human rights groups never really worked that aspect out.
The other aspect was support from the USA. The US was not interested in UK/Irish issues so the UK had to act in the USA without US knowledge.
The same methods got used in the US and support and funding from the US to Ireland was tracked and later "found" with a good cover story.
Face to face meeting provide not much of the expected cover if one or both people are known or the meeting place is been watched
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
They were interested but on the wrong side. Senator Peter King was very active and vocal in his support for the IRA and lobbied for US law enforcement to deny assistance to the UK. I've got no idea why he wasn't voted out after 9/11 or thrown out of the Republican Party entirely due to his history of supporting terrorists.
As many here have pointed out, attacks like this were far from unknown during "The Troubles". Yet somehow, the UK managed to muddle through without turning into a police state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain
May and the rest of her pet fascists need a strong lesson in reality, and I don't think the voters can deliver it without some encouragement about votes having consequences.
I wonder what would happen if every social media account in the UK...all of them...stopped working. Email only if you want to contact somebody there. And telephone, of course.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
The IRA where never beaten by counterterrorism forces. They where beaten by the peace process. Thats a historical fact. All the spies, wiretapes and surveilance from the full might of the british establishment could never crack the IRAs primary command structure, only bust the occasional cell and react to incidents after the fact. What succeeded was creating a political environment where Sinn Fein and the UK govt could negotiate a peace such that Irish patriots didn't need the IRA anymore.
Thats a very different kettle of fish to the jihadis
Excuse the Unicode crap in my posts. That's an apostrophe, and slashdot is busted.
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Unfortunately it is likely to be a crackdown on people supporting equality, democracy, and free speech and pointing out that Islam is against all of these. The muslims will be allowed to carry on as normal.
Why is it that when the muslims say they fear reprisals from non-muslims after an attack it is fine, but when non-muslims say they fear further attacks by the muslims it's islamophobia?
Fuck you you piece of shit. Christians aren't going to concerts and blowing up innocent children. Fucking hang yourself tool.
Posts like yours, where you argue that even the children of immigrants aren't British, and are in fact so different from us that they are completely alien, just encourage extremist views like that.
Reality is often extreme and quite rude, as are many people and their beliefs such as radical Islamists. To refuse to acknowledge reality because it may at times seem 'extreme' to delicate sensibilities is irrational.
Britain is once again being invaded, and British leadership cheer for the invaders.
Strat
Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.