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Walt Mossberg's Last Column Calls For Privacy and Security Laws (recode.net)

70-year-old Walt Mossberg wrote his last weekly column Thursday, looking back on how "we've all had a hell of a ride for the last few decades" and revisiting his famous 1991 pronouncement that "Personal computers are just too hard to use, and it isn't your fault." Not only were the interfaces confusing, but most tech products demanded frequent tweaking and fixing of a type that required more technical skill than most people had, or cared to acquire. The whole field was new, and engineers weren't designing products for normal people who had other talents and interests. But, over time, the products have gotten more reliable and easier to use, and the users more sophisticated... So, now, I'd say: "Personal technology is usually pretty easy to use, and, if it's not, it's not your fault." The devices we've come to rely on, like PCs and phones, aren't new anymore. They're refined, built with regular users in mind, and they get better each year. Anything really new is still too close to the engineers to be simple or reliable.
He argues we're now in a strange lull before entering an unrecognizable world where major new breakthroughs in areas like A.I., robotics, smart homes, and augmented reality lead to "ambient computing", where technology itself fades into the background. And he uses his final weekly column to warn that "if we are really going to turn over our homes, our cars, our health and more to private tech companies, on a scale never imagined, we need much, much stronger standards for security and privacy than now exist. Especially in the U.S., it's time to stop dancing around the privacy and security issues and pass real, binding laws."

96 comments

  1. What privacy? by SensitiveMale · · Score: 0

    People willing turn over their data to these companies for use of "free" products.

    That being said, private companies will always protect data better than the government. There are real ramifications if a public company loses data.

    1. Re: What privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it's not really the ramifications it's the money the make from such data.

      Cant monetise data if everyone has the same copy.

    2. Re:What privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      today's devices and services are definitely "built with regular users in mind".

      summed it up pretty well, even if it wasn't the angle he was going for.

      'regular users' are totally ignorant and/or mis/il-informed about data privacy issues. so companies abuse the fuck out of that. and so here we are in today's mess.

    3. Re:What privacy? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      People willing turn over their data to these companies for use of "free" products.

      As long as the terms of the transaction are clear, there is nothing wrong with that. I use Google search, Google Docs, etc. They mine the data I give them, and I occasionally get ads for stuff I am actually interested in. If I don't want them to know about something, I use an incognito window or a different computer.

    4. Re: What privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't like that argument. Sure, it's the right answer, but to the wrong question.

      The real question is whether this data should exist at all, should Google, NSA, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, be able to harvest "commercial" data sets for sale, should data beyond the first degree of function of the original product be kept or aggregated?

    5. Re:What privacy? by goombah99 · · Score: 1

      yes there is something wrong with it. It's a creeping ivy that climbs the healthy trees and kills them. By getting more and more people to surrender to their "free" offerings that cost of residing outside the google sphere or facebook toxic beach become prohibitive. Already there's dozens of sites I can't fully use because it takes a facebook login to us. Same with google+ registrations on many sites. Thus even though I'm willing to pay for my privacy (by using Apple products and services) I can't reach the whole internet anymore. And the only reason they can get away with this is because millions of you have surrendered to this instead of fighting against it. It doesn't matter if you felt you had nothing to lose, it matters to the whole internet what you did.

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    6. Re:What privacy? by dcollins · · Score: 3

      "I occasionally get ads for stuff I am actually interested in."

      I have seriously never understood this apology for ad-based services. You honestly like ads intruding on your workflow while you're trying to do something else? Instead of a push-messaging model, wouldn't it be better to have a pull-messaging model where, on the day you want or need X, you search for "product X" and you get a fair and objective listing of available X's on the market from which to compare?

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    7. Re: What privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you make more selling it, at later date if market demand is weak!

    8. Re:What privacy? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      You honestly like ads intruding on your workflow while you're trying to do something else?

      The ads are going to be there anyway. I don't see more ads, just different ads.

      on the day you want or need X, you search for "product X"

      What about stuff you don't know you want or need?
      20 years ago, how many people wanted an iPhone?

    9. Re:What privacy? by __aadota8673 · · Score: 1

      You don't understand how each ad showing being more profitable is going to result in you being subjected to more ads? Really? How do you cross a street? I mean if you can only see what's 3ft in front of you, what if there is a car coming? Do you Always just wait for the walk signal? I was picking up some nice fatty cottage cheese for lunch and I crossed on a walk signal. I car floored it on yellow and ran the intersection. If I was you, I would be dead. Thankfully I'm a bit smarter than that.

    10. Re:What privacy? by Antiocheian · · Score: 1

      As long as the terms of the transaction are clear

      They are not clear. Nowhere does Google and the rest give you a full list of what they're tracking you on. Even on their privacy terms, they only provide "examples".

      If I don't want them to know about something, I use an incognito window or a different computer.

      An incognito window means nothing since they can easily create a unique fingerprint for both normal and incognito windows. A different computer with a different IP address, different preferences etc would work but they can still demand that you give them a phone number to create an account. And phone numbers are legally attached to your person. And they can still monitor browsing habits, keystroke timings, types of documents etc to create fingerprints. At some point you need to learn to just say no to Google.

    11. Re:What privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and I occasionally get ads for stuff I am actually interested in

      I have never once got a Google ad for anything I'm actually interested in.

    12. Re:What privacy? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      As long as the terms of the transaction are clear, there is nothing wrong with that

      They never are. Even when, like Google, they're open about what they collect (as long as you bother to go and look), they're not open about the kind of inferences that they can run. For example, the Google Ads and Facebook tracking cookies let these companies know exactly which news articles you read online. If you use GMail or Facebook, they can infer which topics are important to you and likely to influence your vote. They can also infer which of the people in your social network are influenced by the opinions of other and which are the ones of influence. They can target ads to persuade the opinion formers that a particular political party or candidate cares about the issues that they care about. They can correlate this with your address to find which of you are in swing constituencies and which are undecided voters and target those more aggressively (Facebook will even sell this information: a list of undecided voters and the most important issues to them).

      Do you think most consumers who use Google and Facebook think about this and say to themselves 'yes, that's totally fine, and definitely worth the service that I'm receiving?'

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    13. Re:What privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > private companies will always protect data better than the government.

      How cute. Look! There's one Santa Claus believer!

    14. Re:What privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      private companies will always protect data better than the government.

      Government data is kept and protected by the private companies.

    15. Re:What privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are real ramifications if a public company loses data.

      What would those be?

    16. Re:What privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as the terms of the transaction are clear, there is nothing wrong with that.

      Sure, but without legal limits to what they can do with your data the terms of the transaction aren't clear. Terms of service are written to protect the interest of the vendor, not you, and in any case can be unilaterally rewritten by the vendor.

      Google has one of the better TOS and privacy policies, but if you read closely it doesn't quite limit them as much as it seems to. Even though I don't think they intend to use data for really harmful purposes, things are pretty good for Google at present; they aren't scrounging under the sofa cushions for cash. But that could change in the future if the company's fortune changes or a more aggressive management team takes over.

    17. Re:What privacy? by mjtaylor24601 · · Score: 1

      As long as the terms of the transaction are clear

      They are not clear. Nowhere does Google and the rest give you a full list of what they're tracking you on. Even on their privacy terms, they only provide "examples".

      https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity

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    18. Re: What privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was just thinking, 'privacy' as a product is like mobster extortion in the movies. If you don't pay us, or buy our product, we won't protect you and we will screw you over. Ofc, the analogy of mobster business would only work when all businesses that sell privacy as a product are associated with the wide spread abuse of personal data being collected, distributed, handled, recorded, worked on, and sold, and/or lost to other people. An analogy which I think is fair and relevant, given how 'privacy' really ought to be about 'privacy needs' and not merely as some quasi pragmatic scheme for the existence and generation of personal data and meta-data, as if you had nothing to say about the existence, or handling of such data in the first place.

    19. Re:What privacy? by ChatHuant · · Score: 1

      Have no doubt, the data you think they're collecting is only a tiny fraction of the data they have on you. We found out recently they're also collecting data from credit card companies, and be sure they're matching them against all your documents, shopping lists, calendar items, all those apparently innocuous snippets of data you're letting them see.
       
      In reality you're part of the problem. Google can point to you and others like you and say "see, most people are OK with our terms of service". They can use this to argue whatever way they come up with to destroy our privacy even further is acceptable under "community standards", and shouldn't be regulated or legislated against. The ones of us who do care about our privacy are left with no options.

    20. Re:What privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > search for "product X" and you get a fair and objective
      > listing of available X's on the market from which to compare?

      Yep. Google is running backwards. They promised me a useful search tool.
      Instead they created a tool that searches for _me_ and sells that result.

      If they were working hard to make good information available, it's be useful
      as a way of finding things we decide we want.

    21. Re:What privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm surprised the ads you see are things you're interested in. Perhaps you're more of the consumer-type person than you think yourself to be.

      I don't need ads if I'm not shopping.

    22. Re:What privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could be a move to push privacy and security conscious people away from mainstream. "They're not sharing their data, you are! You're a good person for exposing everything in your life to corporate and governmental oversight."

      The smart ones either already have a browser that's locked up to the nines, or are making efforts to move away from the Web altogether. Self-hosting is a viable alternative, and the barrier to entry is steadily lowering. Those who care will find a way out. The rest deserve the consequences of their willful ignorance and trust.

    23. Re:What privacy? by Antiocheian · · Score: 1

      Which in my case reports: "No activity. Some activity may not appear yet." I've been actively using Google services while being registered for several years.

    24. Re:What privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You honestly like ads intruding on your workflow while you're trying to do something else?

      The ads are going to be there anyway. I don't see more ads, just different ads.

      You're missing the point. The ads don't have to be there: we can assert a right under the 9th and 10th Amendments that all advertising must be opt-in. Such a right would supersede all acts of Congress and all judicial precedent to the contrary.

      We could also assert a right (consequence to the right to ethical practice of law) that our time is valuable - and that we have a right to charge those who take some of that time without our first opting in. After all, if it is legitimate for lawyers to charge for their time, it is unethical practice of law to structure the legal system in such a way that the general public can not charge for it's time. Logically, it follows we should be able to charge for our time for being subjected to unsolicited advertising.

      Nothing in the Bill of Rights prevents assertion of rights against private entities, except for those items specifically limited to government (and even then the 14th Amendment muddies the waters).

      We could also assert that copyright contracts can not take away either of these fundamental rights - contract law being a lessor body of law than the Bill of Rights - thus requiring copyright holders to make their material available without adds (perhaps with a nominal fee) as a condition of receiving copyright. Extend that to other IP and we're pretty much covered.

      The vast majority of the public hates unsolicited calls, door-to-door salespeople, junk mail, and so forth - including those selling politics or religion - and thus we can even presume that such rights already exist, so it's really just a matter of getting the government and the legal profession to do the job they've already sworn oaths to do. Those oaths did not come with an escape clause that lets them ignore the 9th Amendment!

      The right to privacy, and the right to the value of our time, are two of the big civil liberty items facing current society. They're not, perhaps, the most important - nobody is dying or being imprisoned as a result of violations of these rights (although a certain person did have to flee the country or be illegally imprisoned), but they do affect the vast majority of society. The citizens of England could spend several decades fighting for the right to roam - should the citizens of the USA do less fighting for even more fundamental rights?

      In short, are we going to allow greedy sociopaths to continue exploiting society for their own gain, or are we going to recognize (as Adam Smith noted in 1776) that capitalism requires reasonable regulation to be of benefit to society?

  2. Standing Rock, Mossberg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dup?

    See, a standing rock gathers moss, and Mossberg is a rock with moss. And this is why computers are easy for me.

  3. Dude's 70? by Snotnose · · Score: 2

    Followed him for years, always thought he was my age (58). He was right more than he was wrong, but he was always interesting.

    1. Re:Dude's 70? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Followed him for years, always thought he was my age (58).

      Only 7 more years until you're eligible for Medicare and you can finally get your chronic post-nasal drip looked at.

    2. Re:Dude's 70? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like we'll still have Medicare 7 years from now...

    3. Re:Dude's 70? by Snotnose · · Score: 1

      Gonna take a while to get used to calling myself drynose.

      Jeez, I've used this nick since the 90s. It was supposed to be a throwaway but somehow stuck.

  4. "ambient computing" is a great term by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    These days most kids are used to apps tracking them all of the time. Just look at Waze that now requires you do enable location services all of the time instead of just when you're using that app. Young people just don't care about privacy since they've never really had it.

    1. Re: "ambient computing" is a great term by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. I love being able to track my two kids that drive, but it is a little scary to think that someone else could too. I hate that Waze added the requirement to track all of the time. That really kills your battery.

    2. Re: "ambient computing" is a great term by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      This. I love being able to track my two kids that drive, but it is a little scary to think that someone else could too. I hate that Waze added the requirement to track all of the time. That really kills your battery.

      On iOS you can at least choose to not let Waze run in the background. Given how I use Waze, doing so doesn't really affect the usefulness of the app (for me). I haven't found Waze's notifications (e.g. "You should leave early cuz traffic is bad") useful anyway, and as you noted it does tend to kill your battery.

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    3. Re: "ambient computing" is a great term by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That also means it is very hard now to talk to young people on the net. I have much younger co-workers and often the conversation goes:

      Me: Suggests some IM method like Pidgin + OTR.

      Young person: That's too hard man. Just use Facebook (or whatever the current hip thing is) like everybody else.

      Me: No thanks. I'd rather not have my every word monitized.

      Young person: "Let's store all our documents in the cloud."

      Me: "Uh, why don't we just store them locally, with a good backup procedure?"

      Young person: "Who wants to bother? Get with the times old man."

      So.... yeah. Privacy is dead because we killed it.

    4. Re: "ambient computing" is a great term by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. That is a great term. Too bad too many people are giving up privacy to get it.

      That and battery life. My phone loses about a percent a minute when running Waze. It really sucks when it get to work and forget to kill it and my battery is dead before lunch. Also, it constantly tries to route me over toll roads even though I have them turned off. Yes, it's hard to get around the Seattle area without paying tolls, but I try.

    5. Re: "ambient computing" is a great term by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Waze kills your battery so I don't understand how anyone could decide to run it. It even drains the battery when I have my charging cable plugged in in my car.

    6. Re: "ambient computing" is a great term by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 2

      And when they do care about their privacy, they think Snap Chat and WhatsApp will do the trick. WhatsApp is owned by Facebook. The argument is that it uses open source code from the same people that make Signal. Ok, then why not just use Signal? Why are some countries allowing WhatsApp and not Telegram or vice versa? I'd just use a Tox client; it's like OpenVPN, but for messaging and most Tox clients do everything Skype does. Even when I'm watching a live stream (usually via streamlink and mpv to save RAM), I use IRC with SSL to join the chat.

      I think that just because we see a generation of young people born with a computer in their laps, we assume that they are also responsible enough with it to stay informed and more proactive with its use; that's a big no. You've got a bunch of Hipsters too busy falsely fulfilling the fantasy of being a lumberjack with a man-bun and thousands of dollars of "comfortable" technology to entice women that want to be a Penny/Amy mash-up from The Big Bang Theory. The reality is, rich parents and barely qualified to work at Spencer Gifts because they are shocked that their major in civil rights studies with a minor in art didn't work out, on top of which you have 35 year-olds going through a midlife crises, doing the same crap. As long as they got weed and an over-the-top BS Facebook/Tumblr profile to attract women when they need them, they're okay.

    7. Re: "ambient computing" is a great term by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in Seattle so just getting to work, Waze kills half of my battery.

    8. Re: "ambient computing" is a great term by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For me, my battery is already down to 60% each morning since I use Waze. Most days, I can't use it in the way home because of battery issues.

    9. Re: "ambient computing" is a great term by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It usually takes me 43 minutes to go 5.3 miles here in Seattle. With Waze, my battery is already over half dead before I even get to work. Also, it keeps routing me to toll roads which is just useless to me since I usually ride a motorcycle, and the state doesn't recognize the fact that HOV lanes that take even $1 of federal funding are required to not charge motorcycles, but they still illegally do.

    10. Re: "ambient computing" is a great term by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      Waze is an interesting one, because it uses the location data that you're constantly collecting to monitor traffic patterns. Even when you're not using it for navigation, you're providing real-time data for people who are. If everyone turns it off as you've done, then it becomes less useful for everyone else, yet the incentives are to turn it off to preserve battery: it's a classic example of the tragedy of the commons. The question then becomes whether it's possible to collect this data in a privacy-preserving way.

      It's obviously possible for the server to simply discard the sender part of the data when collecting it, but can you somehow ensure that the server never receives this, but does get information about traffic density and speed?

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    11. Re: "ambient computing" is a great term by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I'd just use a Tox client; it's like OpenVPN, but for messaging and most Tox clients do everything Skype does.

      With one big and important exception: It doesn't yet handle multiple devices. Skype can be installed on your computer and your phone and used from either with the same set of contacts and with handoff between them.

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    12. Re: "ambient computing" is a great term by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Waze is an interesting one, because it uses the location data that you're constantly collecting to monitor traffic patterns. Even when you're not using it for navigation, you're providing real-time data for people who are.

      It's not providing useful data while you're not in traffic, so the solution is to provide some incentive to the user to activate it even when they're not navigating. While you're in your car, you can be plugged in and charging, so the additional power consumption of the GPS is unimportant.

      I for one would have thought that traffic alerts would have been sufficient incentive, but... eh

      If it would just start tracking (and if I have a connection, reporting traffic alerts) whenever Android Auto was launched, that would really be something. And heck, maybe it already has an option like this.

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    13. Re: "ambient computing" is a great term by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 1

      Not true: https://tox.chat/clients.html. All you got to do is email the tox profile to yourself for your phone. That's why I said it was like OpenVPN. I've used Antidote on iPhone with people using qTox on their laptop and it works very well.

    14. Re: "ambient computing" is a great term by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Hmm, the wiki still lists it as a to-do feature. Does it support transparent handoff between clients (i.e. I start on my computer, finish on my phone and the other contact doesn't notice) and is there a mechanism for syncing message histories between multiple clients?

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    15. Re: "ambient computing" is a great term by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Waze is an interesting one, because it uses the location data that you're constantly collecting to monitor traffic patterns. Even when you're not using it for navigation, you're providing real-time data for people who are. If everyone turns it off as you've done, then it becomes less useful for everyone else, ...

      I can't speak to the general case, but specific to me - I'm just not in a car that much, so this part is overstated. I ride a train to and from work, so that's not a useful situation for Waze to collect data. You could certainly argue that my not enabling Waze for the short trips to the grocery or hardware store are making it less useful for others.

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    16. Re: "ambient computing" is a great term by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 1
      A profile (literally an encrypted file with settings) is stored locally on your computer and the tox servers that act as an operator keep just enough info to connect calls (kind of like DNSCrypt) using the information inside of the profile. However, that does mean that you have to trust the Tox server, but it's no different than having to trust servers with your public PGP keys for encrypted email. Once a successful "handoff" is made, it's encrypted P2P the entire time. That's how I understand it anyway.

      That profile works with every Tox client because those clients use open source to build around the same tox core. Example, a qTox profile you use on your laptop can be emailed to your phone and opened with Antidote and have the same setup, including contacts. As far as actual histories go, I'm not sure if the profile stores those too because I never keep them. You could probably use a trusted cloud storage service to keep the profile in sync with other devices instead of using Micro$oft to do it for you like it does for Skype users. And because everything is open source, I'm not as worried about backdoors, and I know for a fact that people actually look at the code for the various clients because I've helped out a little bit with the Mac version of qTox and Antidote as a tester.

      If you do a quick Google search of "Skype hack," it's terrifying how many results you get. Screw that. As far as how decentralized Tox really is, there are some good arguments made here you may want to look at: https://github.com/irungentoo/..., but that argument is almost two years old and it's gotten better since then. I'm not saying Tox is perfect, but it's definitely still one of the better choices out there that not too many people know about, so it may actually have that going for it too. My top 3 in order: 1) Tox because it is cross-platform and haven't had any issues with it, 2) Signal because it's also open source and made by Whisper Systems, and then 3) Wickr because it has good reviews, a bug bounty, and interesting legal process guidelines if it ever came to it. Never use the version of a client (such as Signal or Telegram) that utilizes a web browser such as a "Chrome app" because well it's Google for one, but also because it's only as secure as your browser is and the more add-ons you have, the more iffy things get.

    17. Re: "ambient computing" is a great term by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 1

      Another thing I like about Tox is that no one has bothered to create spam or bots for it yet, though they still have a method of preventing being spammed with friend requests, ergo you can almost guarantee that if you leave your Tox "number" as a method of contact rather than an email or phone number, the caller is going to be human. I hate how Signal and most other encrypted messenger use phone numbers to "find contacts." Not sure if that's what they are actually do as a "free app."

      Update on chat history: There is an option for the client to store chat history in qTox in the Privacy tab, so maybe.

  5. Privacy is a rich man's problem by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, I know that's not a nice thing to say, but you're not going to get anywhere with privacy laws while 76% of the country lives paycheck to paycheck. You just won't be able to get the kinds of people in office that'll bother. The crooks will actively oppose it and anyone decent will be too busy with more pressing matters.

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    1. Re:Privacy is a rich man's problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Move your ass out of Mexico! Cross the border. I dares ya! Trump gonna kill you! Then deport your rotted corpse back to Mexico.

    2. Re:Privacy is a rich man's problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes sir, Mr Trump. Thank you for returning my corpse back to Mexico. Mija will want to bury me.

    3. Re:Privacy is a rich man's problem by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't matter anyway. There is just no possible way to enforce it. The only thing we can do is tell the authorities, *No privacy for me, no privacy for thee*

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    4. Re:Privacy is a rich man's problem by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Privacy is also a Western concern. In Asian and African countries people have very different expectations. I lived in China for several years, and I don't remember anyone ever knocking before entering a room. At the hospital I saw a nurse interrogating a patient about his impotence problem while other patients were queued directly behind him. Restrooms often had a row of toilets with no stall doors between them, although this did make it easier to ask someone to pass the toilet paper.

    5. Re:Privacy is a rich man's problem by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 1

      Bernie Madoff could of used better privacy laws. Problem is, the people with the most money are too damn old to learn anything about computers; that's what they have secretaries for. If I had my way, you must pass a short exam before voting on a Bill just to be sure you read it or at least bothered to look at a cheat sheet. If there's no printout of proof, you don't get to go in and you can't vote on behalf of others. If you fail the exam, you get to take it again because at least hopefully you'd of learned something by the time you do pass. You'd have up to a week before the vote that way you can spend the rest of the time discussing it with other members.

    6. Re:Privacy is a rich man's problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are obviously wrong!

      "Privacy" is NOT a luxury problem, or rather, is NOT a luxury concern. And so, 'privacy' is not a "rich man's problem. You sound like a bullshitter to me.

    7. Re:Privacy is a rich man's problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, privacy is a not-a-problem problem for most people who just don't care. One could claim it's short-sighted, but until actual action against that 76% occurs then it really is just a slipper slope argument. The vast majority of it is just one-off stuff by individuals that lead to reports, possibly arrests or disciplinary action for misuse of data, and life goes on. Sure, crooks can try to exploit it, but again the paycheck to paycheck makes most people pretty useless targets.

      Put another way, it's Microsoft's problem if a bunch of Windows systems are compromised not because they'll get sued but because people will stop buying Windows--they may just pirate it or may switch to something else entirely since their PC broke. Pragmatism ends up winning out. That's a sad truth for people who care and don't want to see a slipper slope become a reality, but it obviously serves most people well.

    8. Re:Privacy is a rich man's problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could have, not could of!

    9. Re:Privacy is a rich man's problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Problem is, the people with the most money are too damn old to learn anything about computers; that's what they have secretaries for.

      You're saying that the generation that invented pretty much everything to do with computers is too old to learn anything about them.

    10. Re:Privacy is a rich man's problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chinese people also defecate on the street and violently push to claim a better spot in a queue.

      It's less about a difference in culture, and more about a lack of culture. Never forget that they enacted genocide on all of their academics and educated within living memory. China is just three generations in to becoming civilized from scratch.

    11. Re: Privacy is a rich man's problem by Jesus+H+Rolle · · Score: 2

      You're saying that the generation that invented pretty much everything to do with computers is too old to learn anything about them.

      This is also the generation whose VCRs always flashed 12:00.

    12. Re:Privacy is a rich man's problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell that to the guy who can't get insurance because he Googled one too many medical conditions, or the guy who lost his job because his employer snooped his facebook password from the "free" wifi in the employee lounge, and objected to his political "likes".

      I agree that there are lots of other problems, but the idea that we should only deal with the greatest evil and let the others fester is absurd. The ever-increasing rate of technological change means we need to progress our thinking and legislation on dozens of branches just to keep apace of new developments. Whilst most politicians are only interested in helping themselves, you only need to convince a handful that it's in their interest to get things done.

    13. Re:Privacy is a rich man's problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.. It is the very generalization and the insistence that "privacy is a rich man's problem" that makes the statement "Privacy is a rich man's problem" obviously wrong.

      So, you are both being irrelevant in pointing out to me that "privacy is a not-a-problem problem for most people who just don't care", as you conflate things being bothersome, and things being 'problematic'. Someone that knows that somebody else are watching them through a peephole at the toilet, and expressly points out that they are not bothered by being watched when being at the toilet, they still probably understand the privacy issue as stake, and can't pretend that just because they themselves aren't bothered, then so they think other people aren't bothered. So, the point you made about willful acceptance, does not lend itself well to simply argue that "things-aren't-a-problem" problem. Because, it is like discussing contrails and somehow, you are unable to talk about contrails from jet engines up in the air in a meaningful way, because you inject the idea of "chemtrails", and aren't able to separate the ideas whenever referring to 'contrails', which then couldn't exist in your head, for what contrails are (vapor, and not chemicals). So.. when referring to "things-aren't-a-problem" problem, as a thing in the world, it becomes dishonest, in conflating the two very different meanings of what 'a problem' is, being 'bothered about something' and 'understanding something'. To quote Qui-Gon Jinn from Star Wars :) "The ability to speak, does not make you intelligent", understated "simply having an opinion, doesn't translate to having an understanding of something, two wildly different things when you make references to these two things.

    14. Re:Privacy is a rich man's problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "So, you are both being..(...)"

      Eh, disregard the word "both" there. The sentence was rewritten, and I forgot to delete the word, as it references something I once wrote, but has since deleted from the sentence.

    15. Re:Privacy is a rich man's problem by mjtaylor24601 · · Score: 1

      Tell that to the guy who can't get insurance because he Googled one too many medical conditions

      Does such a person actually exist or are you just making up hypotheticals?

      or the guy who lost his job because his employer snooped his facebook password from the "free" wifi in the employee lounge, and objected to his political "likes".

      Again, assuming this actually happened, that sounds like an egregious privacy violation on the part of the employer (not to mention a flagrant violation of labor law), but I can't see how it's particularly a problem with Facebook. Unless you're argument is that people shouldn't be allowed to share their political views on line because unscrupulous employers might misuse that information.

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    16. Re:Privacy is a rich man's problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that problem doesn't mean 'understanding something'. Nor does it really mean 'being bothered about something'. Strictly, it's a question proposed for a solution. Well, most people don't question privacy issues looking for a solution because they're not bothered, not because they don't understand the risks per se. Yes, a person is likely bothered about being spied on the toilet, but until that actually happens, it's not an issue of "what to do about being spied on the toilet". Or, as has been spun on variously occasions, they worry about companies having a copy of their "dick pic". If that's the privacy law you and others want, then you can get it now without waiting for that 75% living paycheck-to-paycheck to have a change in social status. But the rest? They just don't think there's anything to question.

      Btw, your last bit seems to be leading towards "poor" == "stupid". Or "cares about piracy" == "understands the issues of privacy" and "doesn't care" == "doesn't understand the issues of privacy". Yet, that's not it. People care about stuff they care about. They recognize that there's a lot of information others, be it individuals, companies, or governments, can get about them, so they've long ago stopped caring because it'd be irrational to start throwing in laws to try to limit access to that data. The rest requires careful consideration of just how much government should step in and involve itself. So, it's not that 75% of people don't care about privacy laws. It's they don't care about the 99% of stuff that you deem private that they don't think is. Write an actual privacy law that covers the core of what people expect to be private* and you'll see a different reaction.

      * A good example is how (1) people expect (in large part because of experts) that everything they post on the internet is not private, (2) everything they post on Facebook or search on Google is especially not private (even if it's not overly public**), and (3) most everything they do is through Facebook or Google. Hence, a lot of people just don't care about ISPs being able to collect or sell that data. The majority use case doesn't have privacy concerns because they've had to adjust to the reality of a lack of privacy for a long time. So, actually, if anything it's the 25% who are well off that are the mercy of the 75%.

      ** That last part is why we see lawsuits and disciplinary action, not arrests. Facebook employees shouldn't leak data because if it happens enough, people will be upset that stuff is overly public and might switch somewhere else with better "privacy" settings. But monetizing their "private" data? They don't care. In the end, they recognize that privacy is mostly a binary and that protection of that binary must rest on trust, not government law which they don't trust.

    17. Re:Privacy is a rich man's problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck with discussing things on the internet.

      You write so messy and you are so vague. Responding to you now with your "that" and "it's" seems like a waste of my freaking time, and I don't want to drag things out of you either. If you have the self esteem make all these points and so as to appear as a contrarian, then you better write more clearly, because at this point in time I care not for your opinion and I have better things to do.

    18. Re: Privacy is a rich man's problem by donak · · Score: 1

      This is also the generation whose VCRs always flashed 00:00.

      FTFY

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  6. paradoxical effects? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Personal computers are just too hard to use

    Here's the thing though. Since computers were harder to use in the 1970's and 80's, you had two kinds of people: those with no involvement whatsoever with technology, and those who more or less were technically literate.

    Now, they have become easier to perform some common "canned" tasks, but that means there are two kinds of people: and both are now computer users: technically literate people, and technically illiterate. Whereas before the technically illiterate had no impact on the evolution of technology, they now dominate the story because they are the vast majority and it is it their purchasing choices and user choices that determine where things go.

    When they insist on things being "simpler than they are", or when they decide in mass to give all their data to sad companies like Google and Facebook, that harms everyone in the end.

    I'm not so certain that making computers too easy to use has been for the better. Sure, it has allowed more people to have access, but most of them are making terrible choices.

    1. Re:paradoxical effects? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention the best user interfaces were before the mainstream masses caught on.

      Now everything is a search box. Everything. Everywhere, even if I know what I want I have to "find" it.

      I still long for a simple menu that lists applications without requiring any scrolling. Remember those days?

      As a C++ Developer I run Gentoo Linux and XFCE4 for a sane experience. I go touch a Windows 10 machine and I can't find anything. I want the old start menu back.

    2. Re:paradoxical effects? by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      I was lucky enough to have been deeply into computers before the Eternal September. I miss those days....

    3. Re:paradoxical effects? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still long for a simple menu that lists applications without requiring any scrolling. Remember those days?

      So you must not use very many programs then. Because my list is extensive. And my screen is finite. And my scrollbars are permanent. Dumbass.

      As a C++ Developer I run Gentoo Linux and XFCE4 for a sane experience. I go touch a Windows 10 machine and I can't find anything. I want the old start menu back.

      ...Aaaaaaaand you've never used Windows 10. Full stop.

      The Windows 10 start menu has a list of all your programs from A-Z, listed without need for another click. It also keeps a list of "Most used" at the top. (And things that start with a number, like 7-zip, are also alphabetically sorted before "A".)

      You're probably thinking of that tile interface thing off to the right of the main list. Nobody uses that shit because it sucks.

  7. Re:Republican Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Democrats think only Google and Facebook have rights to unlimited and unimpeded access to online user data. That's because these near monopolies pay them off, of course. Republicans are just trying to level the field by giving those rights to whoever pays them off.

    Of course, neither party has any serious global privacy rule to propose.

  8. Walt picked a good time to retire by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    He was still being paid a living wage to write... that's getting to be a difficult gig to find.

    So long, Walt, and thanks for all the fish^W columns. I always enjoyed your work.

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  9. Walt Who? by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

    Never heard of the guy and never heard of his supposedly famous pronouncement.

    1. Re:Walt Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Never heard of the guy and never heard of his supposedly famous pronouncement.

      Probably it was filtered out from your Facebook news stream...

    2. Re:Walt Who? by InfiniteZero · · Score: 1

      He will go down history as the man who brought together Gates and Jobs:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      (It's an interesting video to watch even though I've posted this before.)

    3. Re:Walt Who? by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      I'm with the original poster. I only read Steve Ciarcia and don't have a facebook account.

  10. You enforce it with fines by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    just like we do spam. Spam fines are so massive that only criminals still do it. The criminals who get big enough get caught and get jail time. Privacy violating is easier to enforce since it's only profitable to do when you've got a legit business backing it up. Either that or the government, but you can keep the gov't from violating privacy by banning people who commit violations from public office and lobbying roles.

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  11. Society is ruined by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As far as I care, society, or my life, is ruined.

    The police state is already here I am sure of it, which is why I call it the "looming police state". It seems so obvious that what by naive or tools like technologists are called "survaillance state" is just the police state.

    Also, if society ultimately isn't run by civilians, you can forget about democracy I think. I have nothing against democracy, but this doesn't seem to work, wars everywhere so to speak, nations just doing what they want.

    Having past 40, I am now entertaining the idea that USA is simply evil, or the government/state that is. Ofc, I am not religious, so I think of "evil" as meaning pretty much the same thing as "vile".

    1. Re:Society is ruined by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would like to add that, nowadays, what people call 'patriotism' is probably more like ultra-nationalism, because if you pander to the nation state in times of war, or other horrible things, I think I am quite comfortable labeling patriotic people that are scrupulous (scrupulous: meaning: willfully ignorant) as being ultra-nationalists.

    2. Re:Society is ruined by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, goshdarnit. I used the phrase wrong. I MEANT to write

      "without scrouples" not 'scrupulous' (which has the opposite meaning) :(

      I guess I should have used the word "unscrupulous".

    3. Re:Society is ruined by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another thing, I am reading on twitter (NBC News) today:

      Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly: Intelligence leaks are "darn close to treason"

      I am no professor, but I'd argue that just like with the word 'behavior', 'treason' too, is basically a 'prescriptive' word, as sort of labeling if you will, a word that only really have meaning when used that way. So.. to simply accuse someone of 'treason', just because they feel like it, or wish to do so, is not proper. So.. 'treason' CAN'T be used in a metaphorical way because of that, AS IF the word 'treason' could be infused with this meaning of *being damned* for any context in which the powers that be decide that *someone*, has done *something*, that *the-powers-that-be* will want to accuse someone of 'treason'. Bs!

      Basically, 'treason' will always have the same basic meaning of wanting to crossing your country. The word 'treason' is more about 'intentionality' than guilt, which also detaches any proof, or evidence from the very meaning of the word "treason".

      'Treason' comes to mean ONE THING! And one thing only. It IS NOT a label to damn others, nor is it a function of anything at all. What is and isn't treason, IS NOT obvious, because it doesn't matter. A prosecuting power would of course thing differently, but they would be spurred on by a will to persecute, not prosecute in the usual "neutral" sense.

      Basically the paradoxical twist here is that, 'treason' is something that can be damned, but, yet, is not a crime a such, becuase, it isn't obiovus what 'treason' would be in any case. Most obvious, in say saluting to another person. The mere gesture of saluting is only indicative of saluting (the most obvious and common interpretation of such a gesture), and so, accusing someone of 'treason' for saluting someone they for reasons shouldn't have done, would be a moot point.

    4. Re:Society is ruined by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To add the obvious: Journalism can NEVER be 'treason'. Not even if it was obvious that spreading the news detrimental to someone that would then be offended or hurt, because that is how news work.

      I find it amusing, that 'progapanda' is "darn close to treason". :) So, is "propaganda" towards own populace journalism? Or, not? Probably more like 'treason' than 'journalism', or just treason, but that is wishful thinking on my part.

      I guess I should add, given that leaks are meant to inform the public, effectively being news, it can't be a crime of treason the way I see it.

  12. Sad news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just heard some sad news on talk radio - tech journalist Walt Mossberg was found dead in his Rhode Island home this morning. There weren't any details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

    1. Re: Sad news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Link to source?

      His twitter activity is still alive as of 10.5 hours ago - https://twitter.com/waltmossberg/status/869321830087114752

  13. The key phrase by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    "...giant companies that make up today’s tech oligopoly — Apple, Amazon, Facebook, Google and Microsoft. But, as tectonic shifts like this occur in technology, oligopolies get shaken up. For instance: today, Apple is the biggest of the group. By all reports, it’s working seriously on AR, self-driving cars and health initiatives. But its strict and admirable privacy policies make it harder for it to gather the vast amounts of data required for the best machine learning...."

    In otherwords, we all want what apple is selling-- high tech with respect for privacy and restraint from exploiting the consumer. But were not willing to pay for it so we sell our souls to the dark encroaching shadow of google and facebook.

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  14. Perpetual neophyte by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey thanks Walt for being the harbinger of an era where everything is easy and the only thing that matters is a good soundbite. Who gives a shit about developing skills and talent when it is so much easier to accept social media "likes" as the only meaningful currency?

  15. Last Column by PPH · · Score: 1

    What did they mean by 'last'?

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    1. Re:Last Column by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is my last weekly column for The Verge and Recode — the last weekly column I plan to write anywhere. I’ve been doing these almost every week since 1991, starting at the Wall Street Journal, and during that time, I’ve been fortunate enough to get to know the makers of the tech revolution, and to ruminate — and sometimes to fulminate — about their creations.

      Now, as I prepare to retire at the end of that very long and world-changing stretch, [...]

  16. Re: Last column? Editors huffing RAID bug spray? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RTFA. When the aurhor writes it's his last column you kind of have to rely on the source. And since it's in the first line of the column, I can't fathom how you could miss it. Unless your just being a troll.

  17. Stronger standards? by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

    ... we need much, much stronger standards for security and privacy than now exist.

    Yes we do - but standards are meaningless without consistent, effective, swift, and powerful enforcement. We now live in an era where it's increasingly difficult for the average citizen to persuade authorities to enforce even laws when it comes to offenses committed by corporations. In that kind of climate, the only useful standard is "take your 'ambient computing' and shove it up your ass". Unfortunately, as a species we seem hopelessly addicted to convenience and shininess, even at the cost of various yokes around our necks - so here we go yet again, surrendering autonomy for comfort.

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  18. We need to start licensing people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and documenting those with the ability and the skillsets necessary to hack into critical systems.

  19. Outsourcing your environment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ref: the movie Brazil by Terry Gilliam. When I first saw it in the early 90's parts of it were too close to reality. If Walt is right, the rest of the movie will become real, too.