Slashdot Mirror


US Might Ban Laptops On All Flights Into And Out of the Country (reuters.com)

The United States might ban laptops from aircraft cabins on all flights into and out of the country as part of a ramped-up effort to protect against potential security threats, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly said on Sunday. From a report:In an interview on "Fox News Sunday," Kelly said the United States planned to "raise the bar" on airline security, including tightening screening of carry-on items. "That's the thing that they are obsessed with, the terrorists, the idea of knocking down an airplane in flight, particularly if it's a U.S. carrier, particularly if it's full of U.S. people." In March, the government imposed restrictions on large electronic devices in aircraft cabins on flights from 10 airports, including the United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Turkey. Kelly said the move would be part of a broader airline security effort to combat what he called "a real sophisticated threat." He said no decision had been made as to the timing of any ban. "We are still following the intelligence," he said, "and are in the process of defining this, but we're going to raise the bar generally speaking for aviation much higher than it is now."

14 of 498 comments (clear)

  1. More security theatre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Meanwhile terrorists are using trucks and going to concerts, not targeting planes. Naked flights coming soon.

    1. Re:More security theatre by shilly · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Terrorists are using trucks, going to concerts, *and* targeting planes. Obviously. This is a separate issue from whether the response is either proportionate or effective.

  2. Flying to the US keeps getting funner by Lisandro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, what the hell are you guys doing to your country?

    1. Re:Flying to the US keeps getting funner by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The more interesting question is, who the hell would want to go to that country anymore?

      Right. Fewer and fewer people. But it is because of Trump. Not because flying there has become a ridiculous jump-the-hoops game that no self respecting person would ever subject himself to if he has any choice.

      Hell, I'd seriously ponder flying to Canada and driving to the US if I ever have to go to any state within 1000 miles of the Canadian border.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    2. Re:Flying to the US keeps getting funner by green1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My concern isn't with what the US decides to do to people flying in and out of their country. There's no way I'd subject myself to that anyway.
      My concern is that these horrible policies tend to be adopted by everyone else shortly afterwards. It's why I still can't take my water bottle on any flight despite there having never in the history of aviation ever been a credible threat related to liquids. (though at least I can keep my shoes on...)
      Security theatre started in the US, and spread quickly to pretty much everywhere else. I just don't want to find that my own country is next with these stupid rules.

  3. Re:Free laptop rental service! by crow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Reading between the lines, I infer that you're buying a laptop and then returning it. Besides the ethical issues, I've heard that some stores catch on to this and refuse to sell you stuff after a few times.

    What you seem to have mastered that others could learn from is working from a generic system, keeping all your data separate (flash sticks and such).

  4. Re:Maybe this opens up a market for modular laptop by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, I think the whole idea is crazy. If people aren't allowed to carry them on, and they surely don't want to trust them to the baggage throwers, how are they supposed to bring a laptop with them on a business trip? Can people still bring their phones on the flight? How is a phone any different than a computer really? It's just a tiny computer. Can people bring phones, and bluetooth keyboards, and portable USB C monitors? You could basically bring all the components of a laptop on the plane without actually bringing any single item that actually qualifies as a laptop.

    --

    Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
  5. Re:Ruining it for everyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe if it was actual security and not theater we wouldn't have this problem.

    What else are they supposed to do? Any effective effort is blocked by activists.

    The monthly terror attacks in the Western world are being perpetrated by people from the same few countries. Yet any effort to more closely look at who we let into our countries or reducing the amount of people we let in unchecked is being brigaded by a hysterical media and liberals who throw around -isms all day.

  6. Re:Ruining it for everyone... by 0123456 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes. Blame the judges who refused to let the government take effective action against the people who would make these kind of attacks.

    If you want to let terrorists into your country, you can't really complain when the government starts treating everyone like a terrorist.

  7. Re:Maybe this opens up a market for modular laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The intelligence bar for the TSA is not very high. Best to avoid all conversation and try to get through the check without incident.

  8. Lithium-ion batteries in cargo hold? by zuki · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This below are comments from pilots and their spokespersons:

    Some airline pilots and safety advocates have questioned putting more electronics into checked luggage. In rare circumstances, lithium-ion batteries spark fires, which could go undetected in the cargo hold.

    After reports the U.S. would expand the laptop ban to Europe, the British Airline Pilots’ Association said May 15 that the risk would be greater with electronics in cargo than in the cabin.

    “Given the risk of fire from these devices when they are damaged or they short-circuit, an incident in the cabin would be spotted earlier and this would enable the crew to react quickly before any fire becomes uncontainable,” said Steve Landells, a flight-safety specialist for British pilots. “If these devices are kept in the hold, the risk is that if a fire occurs the results can be catastrophic.”

    Kelly told reporters Friday that the Federal Aviation Administration tracks safety issues while he oversees security, but he’s been told that batteries in electronics should be safe in checked luggage so long as they are turned off and not rattling around loose.


    So now we're having to calculate if the risk of something really bad happening onboard due to an electronic device's battery kept in the cargo hold catching fire is higher than the risk of terrorists having explosives in their laptops.

  9. Re:Ruining it for everyone... by minstrelmike · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Which monthly terror attacks are you talking about? We've had several in the past years here in America all perpetrated by angry home-grown Republican types--planned parenthood shootings, Orlando night club shooting and as far as I'm concerned, the worst was the occupation of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge.

  10. Re:Free laptop rental service! by KiloByte · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Separation of data is essential, especially in third world countries.

    Yeah, especially in third world countries that have "United" in their name. I heard about ones with "States" or "Kingdom", go figure.

    --
    The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
  11. Re:Free laptop rental service! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You say: "I "rent" one. Not my problem"

    It should be MADE your problem. Abusing return privileges at Best Buy, Target, WalMart, or other stores to get a free "rental" (when you never intended to buy anything in the first place) is completely unethical, and offloads the costs of YOUR use into the store and its customers.

    If your intent is to rent, you should go to a store that RENTS laptops and PAY THEM for the temporary use of their equipment. Not sponge off the rest of us!