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Apple Co-founder Thinks Apple Is Now Too Big a Company To Come Up With the Next Big Thing (9to5mac.com)

When it comes to the next great tech breakthroughs, Steve Wozniak isn't betting on the company he founded. Instead, he believes Tesla is at the forefront of anticipating the world to come. From a report: Interviewed by Bloomberg on what are likely to be the biggest tech breakthroughs in the coming years, and which companies are likely to make them, Woz didn't list Apple as a contender. He said, "look at the companies like Google and Facebook and Apple and Microsoft that changed the world -- and Tesla included. They usually came from young people. They didn't spring out of big businesses." Small businesses, he argued, take bigger risks -- and their founders create the products they really want, without the dilution that occurs with multiple decision-makers. "I think Tesla is on the best direction right now. They've put an awful lot of effort into very risky things. I'm going to bet on Tesla," he added.

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  1. How is this news? by hsmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most large companies aren't blazing the innovation trail. That is why they gobble up smaller companies doing the innovative things - to get the talent and the ideas. This has been going on forever. Congrats to Woz for just realizing this.

    1. Re: How is this news? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      Apple was made by Steve and Steve, not by Steve and Eve!

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    2. Re:How is this news? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Informative

      Apple paying Creative hundreds of millions of dollars for ripping off their UI kind of says the iPod was nothing more than a prettier Creative media player... oh, but with one important difference: it locked everything down via iTunes rather than as a simple 'drag and drop' music player.

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    3. Re:How is this news? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 2

      Apple paying Creative hundreds of millions of dollars for ripping off their UI kind of says the iPod was nothing more than a prettier Creative media player...

      You keep claiming that, and every time I have to prove you wrong because you don't like facts.

      They payed $100 million (not "hundreds of millions of dollars") for violating a patent for "Automatic hierarchical categorization of music by metadata " (IOW sorting songs by interpret), not for "ripping off their UI". Creatives UI was the cruddy "cursor keys to select a menu item" shit from the 80s.

      BTW this patent was also the resason why Apple started to patent every little shit, because evry little shit like you said it was a good idea to do so. So shut the fuck up in every Apple patent story ever again.

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  2. Steve Jobs would say by phantomfive · · Score: 2

    Steve Jobs would say they're not too big, but the people there (especially the executives) lack vision. That is the problem. A lot of the good people quit in the aftermath of the iphone.

    If he were honest he might also say that the ideas don't need to be invented at Apple, they just need to be implemented there.

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    1. Re:Steve Jobs would say by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      I would like to say that OSX is not innovation. It's just a unix system with a decent UI. How hard is that?

      Unfortunately it seems very hard, based on the experience of a lot of other systems. Things are starting to get better now in the Linux world, though.

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    2. Re:Steve Jobs would say by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      OSX never existed in the 68k era.

      I think you didn't quite understand the context of the conversation, mate. You are right though, NeXT was rather great.

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  3. Well, Woz has been too big for 3 decades by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, Woz has been too big for 3 decades to come up with anything new...

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  4. Re: Clickbait title by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Like what did Woz ever do? He isn't even there for any of Apple's most successful era.

    Without Woz and the Apple computer, Jobs would be selling sugar water .

  5. Great ideas start in basements and garages by slazzy · · Score: 2

    Of course Apple is too big to come up with the next big thing. Great ideas start in basements and garages, just like Apple when they first started. https://www.retireat21.com/blo...

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  6. Woz - the ultimate Concern Troll by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have a lot of respect for Woz. But ever since he left the company it seems like he's been overly down on Apple - from downplaying the iPhone through multiple iterations, to now claiming Apple cannot possibly do anything new or big.

    He says Tesla is ahead and in a sense that is sort of true - I also think they are at the forefront of self-driving cars. But a large part of that is because they are way ahead in collecting real world data.

    Well in a similar fashion, Apple is way ahead of most other companies in terms of knowing how people use mobile devices. Yes Google is also right there in that space, but Apple has a health data collection edge..

    The next big things to arrive will unfold naturally from the combination of large data sets and powerful neural network style pattern recognition (I hesitate to label it as AI). Apple is well positioned to come up with something impressive organically out of the mix of what they have and what they are doing.

    It's very true that large companies have trouble producing innovation. But the way Apple is structured I think it may still be possible, and Woz is simply being overly negative because that is the way he is wired (and probably why he makes a such a great engineer).

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  7. Companies often don't listen to questions by BoRegardless · · Score: 2

    "Why can't we xxxxxxxx?

    VPs tend to shut down these sorts of quesitons with stock answers, because they want their position to be stable until they jump ship.

  8. Re:design and engineering by thebullshitpatrol · · Score: 2

    seems to be working reasonably well though, seeing as the brakes are completely shot on the AAPL train

  9. Sour Grapes by pubwvj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oddly, whenever I hear Woz he sounds like the fox with sour grapes just out of his reach.

  10. Apple has made some HUGE mistakes. by DougReed · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Their computer strategy is one example. Idiots have decided the computer market is dying. ... um.. no it's just saturated. It's a replacement market, not an expanding market. There is still HUGE money to be made, just not on an ever expanding scale. ... and Apple have virtually abandoned the computer market. They let Jony destroy their computer line and essentially handed the market to companies like RedHat on a platter. Their Laptops are underpowered with no ports. The iMac has gotten worse with every revision as Jony removed features and expandability. Their server is an underpowered trash can that won't fit into a rack.

    Microsoft has made a mess of the data center. They created a huge security nightmare defined by forced outages because every time you touch a Windows box you have to reboot it. Something that was considered a cardinal sin before M$ came alone. Linux has become the server platform of choice for any data center where the CTO isn't an idiot. Why? because Apple wasn't there to pick up the pieces when they should have been. Big companies trust big companies. OSX was just BSD UNIX with a usable GUI. Reliability was right up there with UNIX and Linux... and as companies started getting hacked and Windows boxes became a huge support nightmare, companies started looking for alternatives. Apple being a big company known for 'it just works' would have been the obvious choice... but there is no Apple server. There is no Apple RDP client for Windows->OSX. Instead Steve Jobs died, and Tim Cook made Jony Ive god and they flushed the server business completely. This allowed the Linux guys to finally say "we're here, and we're ready for you!" Companies would not have looked at them except they were backed into a corner and a few tech guys convinced management to put their toe in the open source water and now Apple hasn't a prayer to take it back. Linux IS the server of choice for companies with a clue.

    As a consultant, I have recently seen old-school Windows-everywhere companies nuke Windows all over the place in favor of Linux. And don't think M$ didn't notice. MS-SQL on Linux? YUP! Visual Studio on Linux? YUP! Even a Linux subsystem on Windows! YUP! I am betting there will be an Office for Linux next. now that the compiler works, someone in the back room is trying to get the compile errors cleaned up as we speak. As long as Windows dominates the desktop, you won't see it. But the FIRST hint of a Linux desktop migration, and poof! Office for Linux will pop out of the woodwork in about 10 seconds.

    Where does this leave Apple?

    1. Re:Apple has made some HUGE mistakes. by King_TJ · · Score: 2

      Apple has DEFINITELY made some serious mistakes lately. But honestly, I'm interested to see what unfolds with them over the next couple years, more than anything else.

      As I've pointed out on here before -- one "card up the sleeve" at Apple is this huge, new "spaceship" campus that's not up and running just yet. There's probably a whole lot of attention being directed at micro-managing all the aspects of setting that up - since among other things? It's considered Steve Jobs' last big project, and surely had all sorts of details of just how it was to be executed that are still being worked through. When that's finally finished and filled with staff? It would appear it gives Apple the chance to refocus efforts on the products it builds again, AND ability to hire a larger workforce to get things done.

      Apple has been sending signals recently that it has plans to offer a whole new "Pro" workstation, likely using modular construction. (Buy the "base" for X price, and then snap on upgrade modules to custom tailor it for your needs, like you'd snap on LEGO bricks.) They also took a lot of flack with the last new Macbook Pro offering.... including complaints about the inability for its new 3D video card to perform as it should due to thermal throttling, the lack of ports, and the lack of more than 16GB of RAM offered in its configurations. We're definitely seeing a "version 2" of it, to be announced shortly -- where Apple has hopefully done something to appease the market.

      On the lower end, rumors are saying the supposedly discontinued Macbook Air may get yet another revision. Quite frankly, this one makes a really good "standard issue corporate laptop" because it's stayed essentially the same since 2009. Companies that own lots of mag-safe adapters, USB to Ethernet adapters, and other accessories for them can recycle those investments as older Airs get replaced with newer revisions. And the price-point is attractively low, so you can give them to your "rank and file" employees without feeling like you're paying a huge "Apple tax" to do it. Sure, the LCD screen is way outdated with no "retina" resolution .... but lower res means objects are drawn bigger on that 13" screen, so less eyestrain for people. Battery life is quite good too. So it gets the job done.

      There's also potential to refresh the Mac Mini with something that sparks some interest again. (All the Windows PC micro-sized desktops like the Intel NUC prove it can be made a lot smaller. Maybe even a Mac Mini that looks just like an AppleTV?) These things are mostly being bought by people using them as single purpose kiosks or controllers of some sort -- so in this case, small size really is a practical "plus" to buying one.

      As for the iMac? I dislike the way Apple has trended towards making those less user upgradeable in recent years. But when you buy the high end configuration of them, they're still one of the better values in Macs, IMO. The 27" iMac gave you a 5K display as part of it, when nobody else was selling a stand alone 5K monitor for any less money. It was literally like getting the Mac free with the display purchase! Out of everything Apple sells, I think the iMac is the "staple" item they're still in the best position to keep selling without fears it's too outdated.... Just keep giving those the latest CPUs and GPUs, and they're going to continue to be good options for the audience interested in all-in-one computers.

    2. Re:Apple has made some HUGE mistakes. by swell · · Score: 2

      "Apple have virtually abandoned the computer market. They let Jony destroy their computer line and essentially handed the market to companies like RedHat"

      Oh, you think Apple users are flocking to RedHat? Have you any statistics about that? You seem to think that the world revolves around servers. And it does. But humans don't use servers any more than humans use electric utility distribution centers. Humans use laptops, iPads, iPhones, iMacs and maybe a few iPods and iPhones. And even Windows and Android. Humans conduct their daily business with computers of many kinds. Humans produce creative works with computers of many kinds, and often those computers come from Apple. Never, ever, RedHat.

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    3. Re:Apple has made some HUGE mistakes. by swell · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, Apple has been slow to incorporate the latest chips from suppliers. But there's more to the story.

      I just bought a 2 yr old iMac 27" retina 5K model with 3TB Fusion drive and fast GPU with 4GB RAM and a year remaining on the extended warranty. I could have bought 5 new Linux machines or 3 average Windows machines for the price. I'm not a gamer- this will last me for many years. My newest other Mac is 5 years old, my previous primary Mac is ten, and my emergency standby Mac is 15 years old and they perform adequately with Office, Adobe, Final Cut Pro and Filemaker. When we talk about Macs being outdated, we're talking about them not having the latest processor, the fastest speed, the latest GPU ...

      but nobody mentions the OS. Macs are pretty solid. Not just resisting malware, but resisting most glitches. Macs are easy to use for ordinary people who just want to get something done. Because of the OS, I would prefer a five year old Mac to a new Windows or Linux computer regardless of its 'state of the art' chip technology. It may cost me 500 milliseconds with every task, but it won't crash and cost me hours or days.

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  11. Making it real by globaljustin · · Score: 2

    Many people here are saying things like "Apple/Woz hasn't innovated since [insert really old Apple product]" and it is not true.

    Part of "innovation" is closing the loop and making it happen.

    That's what I think Woz has in mind when he said this:

    their founders create the products they really want, without the dilution that occurs with multiple decision-makers

    Good ideas die in meetings ('to thunderous applause') in other words. Big companies are difficult to make things happen in. It's practically by design. The whole point of a publicly held company is that it will generate reliable returns and/or keep a stable, growing stock price.

    Woz sees that happening at Tesla. I'm not sure if I completely agree with him there (they do have cool robot factories), but I can see why he'd say that.

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  12. Re: Clickbait title by ogdenk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know..... he created a line of reasonably ok 8-bit 6502 machines that lived from 1977 into the '90's FAR past their prime and kept the company afloat while the early Mac 128 and 512 were flopping like a fish? I can't think of a single school I attended as a kid that wasn't chock full of ugly Apple IIe's and the occasional IIgs.

    Apple was far from unsuccessful in those days. You know, back when they were actually a computer company instead of peddling shiny consumer-grade content consumption devices to over-privileged hipster brats.

  13. Re:They're not too big. Cook isn't Jobs. by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

    I sometimes wonder if Steve Jobs' greatest skill was keeping Jony Ive in check.

    "I love the design, Jony - but removing all the useful ports seems idiotic."

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  14. Re: Clickbait title by kaizendojo · · Score: 2

    John Scully would be selling sugar water. Jobs would have simply found another Woz - and as good as he was, there were many like him.

    Without Jobs, however, Woz would have sold a few dozen system boards to hobbyists and faded into history.

  15. Woman at D-Day in Normandy by DrYak · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Army used to be made of REAL MEN. It's a disgrace what its become. Could you imagine someone like Chelsea Manning storming the beaches of Normandy?

    Actually, speaking of D-day, there wren't only REAL MEN storming on the beaches of Normany - e.g.: Martha Ghellhorn, Ernest Hemingway's ex-wife (though a natural-born woman, but still definitely not a REAL MAN) managed to be among the first waves on the beach (even before her ex-husband) by first hiding on a boat and then disguising as a combat medic (though her actual profession was war journalist).
    There *WAS DEFINITELY* a pair of boobs under one of the uniforms running on the beaches of Normandy.

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  16. Re: Clickbait title by ncc74656 · · Score: 2

    Without Woz and the Apple computer, Jobs would be selling sugar water .

    That was Jean-Louis Gassée.

    If you're going to correct somebody, make sure you have your own facts straight. It was John Sculley who was hired from Pepsi to run Apple. He was actually hired by Steve Jobs, whose pitch was, “Do you want to sell sugar water for the rest of your life, or do you want to come with me and change the world?”

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