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Hotels Now See Online Travel Sites as Rivals (marketwatch.com)

Major hotel chains are engaging in an online turf war with the very travel sites that have helped drive their businesses. From a report: Marriott, Hilton and InterContinental are using extensive marketing campaigns to claw back business from Expedia, Priceline and other travel-booking sites, which steer customers to hotel properties but also take commissions of up to 30% for each reservation. The chains are starting to treat these sites less as valuable business partners and more as gatekeepers standing between them and their customers. Many large hotel brands are offering lower nightly rates and other perks to loyalty members who book directly through their sites instead of online travel agencies. [...] The new battle is the latest episode in a two-decade "frenemy"-style relationship between online travel agencies and the hotel industry. Sites such as Expedia and Priceline were crucial for hotels during down periods such as after 9/11, but they have gradually eaten into the share of overall bookings ever since. Also read: Why Bargain Travel Sites May No Longer Be Bargains.

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  1. Travel sites are useful by the_other_one · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I use the travel site to find the best room and rate.
    Then I call the hotel directly to book usually at a better rate.

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    1. Re:Travel sites are useful by ccguy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've tried that a few times. When it's an independent hotel it often works, but for chains... forget about it. These ones that complain about paying a 30% commission refuse to give you a 10% discount if booking directly.
      So well, fuck them.

    2. Re:Travel sites are useful by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      I use the travel site to find the best room and rate.
      Then I call the hotel directly to book usually at a better rate.

      I do this with airlines. If I buy direct, it is much easier to deal with any changes in itinerary, add baggage, get customized meals (I am a veggie).

      I don't use hotels. Airbnb is usually cheaper, and almost always a more interesting experience.

  2. Good idea to book through hotels if possible by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not mentioned in the summary directly but the corollary to "perks", is that many hotels now will treat you poor poorly if you did not book through the hotel itself - you may not get as nice a room (the people checking you in have lots of flexibility as to location), you may not be as likely to get a request like late checkout, they may be less (or not at all) flexible when changing a booking.

    So even though travel aggregators are convenient, it's probably a good idea to just book through the hotel...

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  3. Finally by nwf · · Score: 2

    Many of those sites are owned by a single company anyway, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....

    Every time I've tried to book travel in the past few years, I've found better prices directly on hotel chains' web sites. There was one time when the chains had no rooms, but Expedia did, but at $500/night (vs $125 normal rate.) I passed.

    From my experience, the hotel industry got much worse following the rise of these reseller sites. They suck up rooms and hold them, hoping for a better deal. That makes it harder to find rooms, and their policies are always worse. It wasn't long ago that any hotel wouldn't charge you if you canceled the day of your reservation. That's getting harder to find, since these sites lowered expectations.

    These sites sure advertise a lot, but a tiny amount of searching will almost always find better rates. I mostly use them to see what hotels are in the area then go directly to the hotel's web site to book. Always cheaper.

    They are doing the same thing with rental cars, too. I've always found better rates elsewhere than those sites. Costco, in particular, has better rates for car rentals than just about anyone and if you don't want the car, just don't pick it up. No fees.

    The sooner these sites die, the better.

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    1. Re:Finally by ArhcAngel · · Score: 2

      These sites sure advertise a lot

      There is the key. If an industry advertises A LOT there is a good (99%) chance it is a lucrative endeavor (ripoff). The prime example is auto insurance. Executed efficiently it is a no-brainer money making scheme. I mean how can a business afford THAT much advertising? Advertising is expensive and travel sites buy enormous amounts of ad time.

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  4. Travel Agents and airlines had the same problem by ErichTheRed · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have a feeling that this is just the industry catching up. Airlines used to need the services of travel agents and would pay them a commission to sell tickets. This was because they had no or limited capacity to sell seats directly to the public. Once they got this capability, airlines stopped paying commissions and travel agencies either went out of business or specialized in areas where they could still make money. Hotels are a much higher margin business than airlines, and are much more inclined to increase occupancy at the expense of lower room rates, so it makes sense that they would pay commissions to get someone on the property and spending money. I know when I travel for business I'm much less cost-conscious than I would be if I were a vacationer, so hotels do make a lot of money once travelers are on-site.

    I'm in technology and most tech people are all for squeezing every single inefficiency out of every system out there. And it is true that there are a lot of brokers and middlemen out there - ask anyone who just bought a house or car for examples. What I wonder is whether tightening the screws so much that you start to affect employment in significant ways is such a good idea. You can have a 100% efficient process, but if your profit relies on people having a disposable income to buy your products, does it make sense to leave some slack in the system?

  5. Travelers want to buy a trip. by netsavior · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The real disconnect is that Travelers want to buy a trip(airfare, car rental, hotel, attraction), Hoteliers want to sell a stay.

    Even more importantly, business travelers aren't generally allowed to buy anything other than a Trip, they have to use some Travel Management Company who is essentially an Online Travel Agent but with a shitty interface and a corporate policy enforcement.
    American Express is disrupting the Agent/hotel infrastructure right now by allowing hotels to pay a flat annual "commission replacement" instead of a per room night commission, when nights are booked using AMEX's corporate Travel Management Company. This of course locks them in to the agent model further, but makes the pill a bit sweeter. The "book direct" push is a bit wrong-headed as the Airlines have already opened central booking, such that it is a no-brainer for a website to add flights and hotels together, whereas hotels are almost never going to be able to tack on airfare without becoming full service travel agents.
    Book direct seems like a no-brainer, until you look at how travel is planned and purchased in the real world.

    And none of that is even counting the fact that all the big hotel chains still run their businesses on 30 year old platforms with no end in sight.

    Booking non-refundable rooms for the guaranteed low price is also primed for an upset from the reselling app standpoint. If you book a $200 dollar non-refundable room... then you can't make it... you can auction it off on Roomer or others... selling it to someone for $150 recovering some of your loss... And undercutting the "lowest rate" promise at the exact same time.

    The whole thing is a mess and direct booking won't solve it... and may make it worse.

    1. Re:Travelers want to buy a trip. by erice · · Score: 3, Informative

      The real disconnect is that Travelers want to buy a trip(airfare, car rental, hotel, attraction), Hoteliers want to sell a stay..

      Really? I have the opposite experience. Travel sites keep trying to sell me a trip but their bundles are always overpriced, contain the wrong things, or both. I tell them to go away and let me book the pieces individually.

      For corporate travel, it isn't really about what I want anyway. I am forced to use the corporate travel agency but it's not my money so I don't care so much. I still end up declining parts of the bundle and buying outside where it allowed and the bundle version is clearly inferior. I will probably book my hotel directly the next time because the perks are somewhat useful and it is easier than justifying another line on the expense report if I were to pay for them directly.

  6. Hidden Advantage of Direct Booking by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even if there is no difference in the price to direct booking there is one huge advantage: Expedia oversells rooms. I've had the experience of making a reservation with Expedia and turning up at a small US town in the middle of nowhere with the wife and kids on holiday to find that they overbooked the room. Fortunately, the staff had realized this and booked the only other remaining hotel room in the town so, thanks to their thoughtfulness we were ok, but after that experience, I have only ever used Expedia to find hotels and will never, ever use them again to book a room.

    1. Re:Hidden Advantage of Direct Booking by berj · · Score: 2

      Yup.. I had a similar experience with Expedia. Booked a (very expensive) room at a hotel in the south pacific. The night before our flight I decided to call the hotel to confirm something or other (probably hotel pickup). They said they had no booking for me. Someone at expedia had contacted them about the booking but never actually *made* the booking.

      A couple of hours of banging my head against the expedia customer support wall and I had nothing and had to scramble to find a place for my wife and I to stay for a week during a very busy season.

      It was not a pleasant experience. I've never used them since (I used to use them alot for booking flights.. this was my first time using them for accommodations). I've also stopped friends and family from using them when they mention it.

      A garbage company all around.

    2. Re:Hidden Advantage of Direct Booking by Jumperalex · · Score: 2

      I'm guessing this is exactly what just happened to me 48 hours ago in Prague using Booking.com. I needed to change hotels last minute so I booked the room at like 11am, we showed up around 2pm and were told with a smile, "We didn't have that room so we upgraded you. Here is our card. Call us next time and we'll also give you better rate." Ummm hey all I know is I paid for a Junior Suite and you gave me a Deluxe WOOT! But yeah it could have gone badly especially since we had already checked out of our other room which was going to be at ground zero for a Rammstein concert we didn't know about :)

      So I'll be sure to keep this in mind.

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    3. Re:Hidden Advantage of Direct Booking by mjwx · · Score: 2

      Even if there is no difference in the price to direct booking there is one huge advantage: Expedia oversells rooms. I've had the experience of making a reservation with Expedia and turning up at a small US town in the middle of nowhere with the wife and kids on holiday to find that they overbooked the room. Fortunately, the staff had realized this and booked the only other remaining hotel room in the town so, thanks to their thoughtfulness we were ok, but after that experience, I have only ever used Expedia to find hotels and will never, ever use them again to book a room.

      Booking direct has other advantages, even if you dont get a discount, you'll be ahead of the Expedia crowd in getting better rooms.

      Because hotels have to pay Expedia and Priceline to get bookings, they automatically assign the worst rooms to guests who book via third parties and save the nice rooms for people who book direct.

      There are three factors to getting a free or very cheap upgrade.
      1) Book direct.
      2) Be a repeat customer.
      3) Be kind to the staff.

      I've received many a room (and car) upgrade just by following these simple steps (which really are common sense) sometimes its just because they remembered me from last time. Room upgrades in the case of overbooking (or wanting to keep a few cheap rooms open for walk-ins and last minute bookings) will first go to preferred customers, then repeat customers and in both cases, will go to the ones that the staff like first. Nothing annoys a hotel receptionist more than a cheap arsehole waving a $20 in front of them thinking it gives them some kind of magic power, especially when a nice customer left a $20 tip not 10 minutes ago.

      This really goes double for rental car staff, they get badly abused by so many customers because their vague request wasn't interpreted correctly and their sense of self-entitlement refuses to allow them to admit a mistake.

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  7. Idiocy by nospam007 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They seem to think that everybody knows which hotels are located in, let's say Buttfuck, Idaho and know which one is the best, cheapest or with the best location or facilities.
    That's not the case.
    I use them to _find_ the fuckers in the first place, without those sites, their hotels would be half empty.

  8. One problem for the hotels by jonwil · · Score: 2

    Many of these booking sites (including all the big players) have clauses in the contracts that hotels sign when they list on the site that says they aren't allowed to offer the same thing cheaper anywhere else (including the hotels own site). Some jurisdictions have outlawed such practices but others (including here in Australia) haven't yet done so.

    So the Hotels may not be able to offer a better deal if you book with them direct than they offer through the booking site without violating the contract.