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After London Attack, PM Calls For Internet Regulation To Fight Terrorists (cnn.com)
CNN reports that "At least seven people were killed in a short but violent assault that unfolded late Saturday night in the heart of the capital, the third such attack to hit Britain this year." An anonymous reader quotes their follow-up report:
Prime Minister Theresa May has called for closer regulation of the internet following a deadly terror attack in London... May said on Sunday that a new approach to tackling extremism is required, including changes that would deny terrorists and extremist sympathizers digital tools used to communicate and plan attacks. "We cannot allow this ideology the safe space it needs to breed," May said. "Yet that is precisely what the internet and the big companies that provide internet-based services provide. We need to work with allied democratic governments to reach international agreements that regulate cyberspace to prevent the spread of extremist and terrorism planning."
1. Terrorist attack.
2. Call for increased surveillance, overreach.
3. Learn more about the terrorists, but don't arrest the right ones in time.
4. Rinse, repeat.
This is almost starting to feel staged at this point. Every single country does this, and it always turns us more towards 1984. The terrorists are winning.
"Stop importing mass numbers of insane subhumans who want to kill us."
What?! That would be CRAZY! It would be like... um... actually solving the problem?
Islam and Christianity are both dangerous evils. Let's be done with this fictional nonsense.
Why stop at regulating the Internet? They were driving a white van when they carried out the attack so clamping down on white van use seems like a good idea right now. They were also carrying knives so those must be made illegal or their sales closely monitored.
What I'm waiting for is the usual statement that 'these men were already known to the security services', further proving that all of the Internet monitoring and phone tapping is of no use whatsoever.
That's what this is actually about. "Oh noes! Terrorists! We must immediately implement my agenda of Internet censorship, which is actually about porn not terror but shut up!"
You know what I'm fed up with? Politicians who crap their pants every time a terrorist does anything. That means you Ms May. You're doing exactly what they want you to do. For all Thatcher's faults, she didn't act like you and the majority of those politicians who proclaim themselves anti-terror do.
Terrorists are not going away. Either live your values, or live in fear. Your choice.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
"Madam, a bunch of barbarians with knives jumped out of a van and killed civilians!"
"Begin spying on people on the Internet. That'll surely prevent it from happening!"
As if said barbarians are using internet to communicate at all, much less for openly discussing their acts... "Nahoul, have you acquired the weapons of our holy jihad to take place on London Bridge on June, 3th?" — "Yes, Assoud, very long sharp knives and a Hertz van".
They probably discuss shit in private in some back alley or something, geez.
If you still believe in "multiculturalism" and "all cultures are equal"*, go fuck yourself.
And do it before some jihadi slits your throat.
* - unless the culture is white, Western European based. Funny how those cultures are less equal than others...
Does she have any evidence these people actually used the internet to plan what they were doing?
And if so, why didn't all the existing mass surveillance catch them? Is ratcheting up the level of surveillance really going to help? That was their excuse for implementing it to begin with, and so far it hasn't.
There is no end to it:
(1) call for more censorship and surveillance.
(2) another attack happens anyway.
(3) goto step one, because it must not have been enough yet.
The solutions may be politically incorrect, but Europe is now a war zone whether they like it or not. Just look at what ISIS did to the Syrian people and historical sites in their path. Imagine this being done throughout Europe.
The alternative is in 100 years the current European culture will be little more than a chapter in a history book.
Their backyards are large parts of our cities. I hope you're prepared for civil warfare.
The idea of "fighting back" in the last week was a deal for billions of dollars worth of weapons to the country spreading the twisted cult that's given all of Islam and all of the middle east a bad name - epic fail there. The whaddists (such as Daash/ISIL) must be laughing at how stupid we are, helping those who are funding and supplying them instead of cutting off their money supply and making it more difficult for them to influence people like the bunch of criminals that attacked in London.
They WANT us to treat it like a war, and attack the mainstream so they can get more recruits to their cult from the mainstream.
Basically all terrorists in Europe of the last 10 years or so were _known_ to the state before. Did that help at all? No, it id not. And now they want to put everybody else under surveillance, despite it being completely clear that this will not help? That is at best utterly stupid, and at worst a preparation for the establishment of full-blown fascism.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
I think the only long term morally correct answer is to correct the behavior that helped provoke the jihad in the first place. We're talking about a decades long effort here. In the meantime there will be more deaths on all sides and we'll have to work through that and find ways to cope that don't involve inciting more violence. Essentially this is chickens coming home to roost that were released over the previous decades, centuries, and even eons. Is it fair, nope, but life isn't fair and if we want peace eventually someone has to be the better person and bury the hatchet instead of using it.
I think you're horribly wrong by suggesting that modern nations are responsible for this. Those aren't our chickens coming home to roost. Sectarian violence has always been a thing in the parts of the world that are fueling this fire. The mistake we made was letting "refugees" migrate to our countries. Now it's those refugees or the spawn of those refugees carrying out these small scale attacks. They come to our countries and bring their baggage with them. Anyone who doesn't believe what they believe must die. And now we've brought them inside our borders. That's reality. Letting this go on for decades with the hope that things will get better with no plan would be even more of a disaster. We're going to get to the point were everyday people refuse to put up with this anymore to the point where they defy our governments and then all hell is going to break loose. We don't have decades. Maybe the US does, but large parts of Europe do not. Censoring dissent on Twitter is going to change that.
- Year 2013: "BBC's websites killing Press and threatening local democracy, says Theresa May" https://goo.gl/ccgTPH
- Year 2014: "Theresa May: We need to collect communications data 'haystack'" https://goo.gl/Ew4gMf
- Year 2015: "Theresa May: Internet data will be recorded under new spy laws" https://goo.gl/1hNBdk
- Year 2016: "Theresa May's Snoopers' Charter dealt major setback as EU court rules against 'indiscriminate' collection of internet data" https://goo.gl/455OWU
- Year 2017: "Theresa May Wants A ‘New’ Internet Monitored By The Government" https://goo.gl/mGPKlx
That woman simply hates that people can freely speak through the medium she does not control!
Terrorist attack? We need more control and censorship.
Child abuse? We need more control and censorship.
Meteor heading to earth? We need more control and censorship.
Is it Sunday today? We need more control and censorship.
Nothing happened? We need more control and censorship.
Well, I've got to get back to work. When I stop rowing, the slave ship just goes in circles.
The issue is Islam itself. Arguments about it being a poverty or education issue don't hold water: the people on the planes on 9/11 had college diplomas, they were doctors or engineers. It's not a society issue; many of the terrorist acts were committed by second generation Muslims, who had grown and been educated in first world countries. The common factor is Islam.
The problem is that we're not allowed to say anything about the root causes. It's "islamophobic" and "racist". Let Islam be shown for what it is, and let the civilized world defend their values, instead of the shameful pandering that happens every time more people are murdered by crazy believers. We should speak publicly about the many ways Islam isn't compatible with the modern world; that it's barbaric to consider women less valuable that men; that it's barbaric to murder people that criticize Islam or dare to draw a portrait of the Prophet; that it's barbaric to impose the death penalty for apostates. Instead, the Western world is cowardly discarding their own values to avoid offending barbarians. We create laws against free speech, because, if we dare say that maybe Mohammed marrying a nine years old is not a holy and admirable action, some fanatics may be offended (and anybody who thinks it's OK to marry a nine year old IS a fanatic, no matter what he or she says). As Theresa May proposes, we should relinquish our freedoms and live in prisons, because that's the only way to be secure, as if the threat is a nameless unknown.
Instead, what should be done is speak openly and forcefully about the problems. We should encourage Muslims to quit a barbaric religion - heck, we should make this a condition for immigration. We should cut links with countries like Saudi Arabia that spread the poison all over the world, with any country that has Sharia law, with any country that has the death penalty for leaving Islam.