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Apple's New iOS File Manager Coming This Fall As Part of iOS 11 (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: Apple announced the new file manager today. A demo showed that the application will provide access to local files and files in cloud storage services such as Dropbox, iCloud Drive, and Box. It will support nested folders, favorites, search, tags, and a list view in which files can be sorted by size and date. You'll also be able to drag and drop with other applications, for example by dragging an attachment from e-mail into the file manager. The new manager will be part of iOS 11, shipping this fall.

63 comments

  1. We all know WWDC was today by subk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hows about next year saving up all the action and dropping one article at the end of the day? Mmmkay?

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    1. Re:We all know WWDC was today by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Funny

      It was either irritate you, or irritate the "old news, this was already reported at xyz.com over 8 hours ago" guy, and it's your turn this week.

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    2. Re:We all know WWDC was today by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Hows about next year saving up all the action and dropping one article at the end of the day? Mmmkay?

      Hey, man, I don't use Apple gear anymore, but WWDC is once a year, and I know how to scroll past stuff I'm not interested in.

      I'll never understand why some people feel compelled to open every article posted. OCD is treatable, m'kay?

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  2. This is a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't own any iDevices so not sure if such functionality is a big deal or not.

    1. Re:This is a big deal? by lucm · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's another great innovation that makes the latest iPhone as sophisticated as Android were 5 years ago.

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    2. Re:This is a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The big deal is how the apple apologists will spin this as we all have been told for years apple doesn't need a file manager. You know their typical blah blah ecosystem blah blah experience blah blah DNA.

    3. Re:This is a big deal? by Junta · · Score: 1

      And as sophisticated as most computers have been for longer than most of us have been alive.

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    4. Re:This is a big deal? by rsborg · · Score: 1

      I don't own any iDevices so not sure if such functionality is a big deal or not.

      It is if you like what Microsoft has done with Surface Pro. Now the iPad an Surface Pro will be on a more level playing field in terms of features.

      Personally, I'm fine without it but some folks hate not having FS access from their device and need to sort / manage their files.

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    5. Re:This is a big deal? by lucm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It reminds me of that exciting new feature in Oracle 12c (provided that you pay for an extra license): having multiple databases per Oracle instance. And, believe it or not, you can even attach/detach them!

      Of course that feature was already available in SQL Server before it got acquired by Microsoft in 1993, but when Oracle "invented" it in 2013 it became The First Database Designed for the Cloud.

      https://blogs.oracle.com/multi...

      Hopefully History will disregard the hype and remember both of those companies (Oracle and Apple) as what they truly are: marketing companies that also happen to do below-average tech products.

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    6. Re:This is a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      not even close, the Ipad is still pretty much a dinky toy for anything but entertainment. The lack of application integration and management still leave it a long long way behind, but at least this is a half step in the right direction.

    7. Re:This is a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I own a Samsung tablet with Android Marshmallow build. Honestly it's not as responsive as my iPad Mini. In terms of development experience, Android Studio kind of sucks compared to XCode. If you run Windows 10, you have to turn off Hyper-V if you want the default simulator to work. Other wise you have to use Visual Studio emulator for Android. With all the money Google makes, they can't make a decent simulator that will work with Hyper-V?

      Then there's the fact that if you close the simulator on windows 10, the next time you try to debug Android Studio no longer gets the log statements. You have to restart Android Studio to get the simulator and IDE to talk to each other again.

      Honestly, it's about time Apple add folders to iOS. It's silly it took them so long to add a feature that's been around for over 4 decades. Apple is far from perfect and the hype is silly, but Android isn't actually a better experience as a device user. It's all personal preference.

    8. Re:This is a big deal? by lucm · · Score: 3, Interesting

      i've never been a big fan of Samsung, always liked the Nexus or Moto better. But I bought a Tab S2 a few months ago and it's an amazing device, so I also bought a Samsung S8 phone recently and this is truly a masterpiece. I use the Google keyboard instead of the Samsung one, but apart from that all the built-in apps are top notch. The display is terrific and battery life is great (2 days).

      I've used an iPhone for work and I owned several iPod Touch; I also owned an iPad Mini 4. And I don't miss those; they're not even in the same league as those Samsung devices.

      The magic is not just in the performance, it's in the details. Such as creating a "safe zone" with the GPS where the phone never locks, or having that superb always-on display, or the iris scan unlock. They really think about making things convenient for the user, something Apple has lost touch with a long time ago as they switched their focus on milking their shrinking user base.

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    9. Re:This is a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can see a bunch of iOS developers scrambling to secure files in their App's Document folder that will now be exposed via the Files app. Suddenly users will be able to access all those API keys and things they didn't want to bake into their App's binary code.

    10. Re:This is a big deal? by lucm · · Score: 1

      I've worked with both for the better part of 20 years, and until recently the only reason I saw to choose Oracle over SQL Server would have been the O/S. But see, now SQL Server runs on Linux, so Oracle is basically obsolete, like Informix or Image. As for scaling, you probably missed that boat too but now there's new kids on the block for massive scale and Oracle is not on the radar. Even SQL Server powers more large scale websites (ex: Best Buy).

      Oracle is not just obscenely expensive and feature-poor compared to the competition; it's also clunky and capricious. Just the fact that the query optimizer can lead to a SELECT COUNT query returning 2 different results on the same data set says it all. Just google "oracle same query different results" and you'll see countless examples; usually the "culprit" is using the parallel hint or having a date in the where clause, which apparently fools Oracle when it comes to deterministic vs non-deterministic hints. Of course usually there's some Oracle buffoon explaining that the problem is the user who wrote a "poor" query, but guess what, that's a behavior you'll never see even on MySQL or MS-Access.

      Call it the 8th wonder of the world if you want, but if adding query hints makes a SELECT COUNT(*) return different results on a same data set, I call it a fucking piece of shit.

      And it doesn't end with the database engine. The whole stack is garbage, starting with the OCI. Let's say you have a big Oracle database and you want to query it from Python using the marvelous cx_Oracle. Guess what: if there's CLOBs or BLOBs in the table, you can't use server-side cursors; you have to bring the whole fucking table in your Python app and deal with it. Meanwhile, this kind of thing works like a charm on Postgresql or SQL Server using 5 or 10 years old Python libraries; you can fetch whatever number of records you want at a time, no matter the data type.

      My guess is that you're an Oracle DBA who pays his bills by "maintaining" Oracle databases. Good for you. But anyone who has to *use* one will tell you without a doubt what a slow, unreliable piece of garbage that database is.

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    11. Re:This is a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell me when your kid database can do active/active or stale to hundreds of TB.

      That's cute, son! 100TB would make it about a thirtieth the size of my company's production dataset. Of course, single-digit petabyte stores are small by Big Data standards, but I'd still describe it as nontrivial.

    12. Re:This is a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      apple apologists will spin this

      Not me. I'm a Mac user, and I don't like using iOS because of its limitations; the user can't a lot of things that a regular OS lets you do, like have nested folders.

      I've never understood the reason for this. Security? Whatever. I'm glad Apple is removing at least some restrictions. Hopefully they'll remove the rest of the restrictions, including letting us copy/move files and folders in and out of iPads directly from a USB port.

    13. Re:This is a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are an 8th grader. Oracle is not meant to run your website. There are no new kids on the block for ACID databases. You are confusing a database with a key-value store. Whatever it is you do, you are not a DBA. Me - I do storage. You know - those big storage arrays that the PB-sized 4-node active/active Oracle RAC has been sitting on for a decade running your whole company and the analytics for it.

      The fact that the first example you jumped to is a website - yeah, don't use Oracle for a website. You're a moron.

    14. Re:This is a big deal? by The123king · · Score: 1

      iOS and Windows aren't even in the same league. If you need to do work, get a Surface. If you want to watch Netflix, get an iPad

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    15. Re:This is a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Hopefully History will disregard the hype and remember both of those companies (Oracle and Apple) as what they truly are: marketing companies that also happen to do below-average tech products.

      Keep dreaming shittard.

    16. Re:This is a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. No one will remember them.

    17. Re:This is a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've used Oracle RAC for a backend for a website. Works fine. It isn't on the PB level, or hell, the TB level... but it is fault tolerant.

    18. Re:This is a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure but from what I hear Samsung with Android suck a little but when you really look at it they all suck since you are not a owner... heck you can't install shit on them without a permission from masters LOL

    19. Re:This is a big deal? by lucm · · Score: 1

      Whatever it is you do, you are not a DBA.

      Correct. We get discount visa workers for grunt work.

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    20. Re:This is a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't know the difference between Big Data (a key/value store) and a transactional database you have no business being on slashdot. Big Data is not running a company - it's analyzing how other databases are running the company. Databases like Oracle and UDB.
      If you're running an SQL Server database that's 30x the size of 100TB... Well you're actually just full of crap. I'm going to actually guess you don't work with databases but know people who do, and are unable to fully understand what they say.

    21. Re:This is a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're running Big Data on SQL Server!! are you a complete retard!!! or just pretending to be one, "son!!"
      !!
      !

    22. Re:This is a big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You get discount visa workers to administer and architect your payroll, HR, billing/payables, and ordering systems? Ouch. Goes well with the comments you made - you don't know what you're doing and neither does your boss. Here's a fun fact - whoever you are, a DBA makes about twice what you do.

  3. Wow!! A file manager!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me guess,

    (c)Invented in California(tm).(R)

  4. simple,they didn't need it then, they need it now. by lucm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The big deal is how the apple apologists will spin this as we all have been told for years apple doesn't need a file manager.

    They're good at dealing with cognitive dissonance.

    If you remember, the fanbois used to make fun of the big screens on the Samsung phones, saying that the iPhone was the "right" size. Then the big iPhone 6 came out and suddenly big screens were cool.

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  5. Oh look. Apple just invented.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows Explorer... right down to the Namespaces on the left.... careful... MS has a patent on that tech.

  6. sad by gravewax · · Score: 1

    wow so a feature every other OS has had in both mobile and desktop version for years. The sad part is one news site had this and their new copy cat home speaker thingie as ground breaking in innovations, shows what a blinkered and sad world some journalists live in.

    1. Re:sad by The123king · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the world of the Apple Fanboi

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    2. Re: sad by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      This was native to BB10 back 4.5 years ago. It makes the phone usable out of the box without having to install apps. When my sister in law asked for my help downloading meditation mp3's on her iPhone, I was floored how that wasn't possible and needed an app and a fuckload of hassle. Wasted 30+ minutes and the app store was a fucking nightmare, reprompting to login to Apple over and over.

  7. Shipped? by John+Bodin · · Score: 0

    Why does every Apple article say will be shipped, I thought that Ios was only available preinstalled or via downloaded upgrade? Does this mean that they are actually going to be shipping just the operating system?

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  8. Drag and Drop? by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Funny

    Holy shit that's amazing. First iPhone gets cut and paste, and now a drag and drop file manager, it's like 1984 all over again.

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    1. Re:Drag and Drop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy shit that's amazing. First iPhone gets cut and paste, and now a drag and drop file manager, it's like 1984 all over again.

      i cut something from my old iphone and lost it in the cloud but it came back again when i pasted it into my new iphone i dont know how they do it but its like magic unicorns dancing in my hair

    2. Re:Drag and Drop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be running some cutting edge version, cut and paste didn't appear until iPhone OS 3 (2009)

  9. Wow! A FILE MANAGER; what will they think of next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This Apple must be full of genius wizards; who'da thunk peoples would want to be able to access files on their mobile computers^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hdevices???!!111

  10. oh really! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is this even news? A new file manager? Got to be fucking kidding me.

  11. Like living in the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I feel like I jumped into a DeLorean and arrived in the 1980s !

    As pathetically overdue as it is, I am grateful. Don't blame me; I'm using a hand-me-down phone.

  12. Trollercoaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Typical /. dumbass millennials

  13. Hello, Macintosh Finder by Etcetera · · Score: 2

    The depressing thing is thinking back to how many Millennials have never used a Spatial Finder at all... like ever.

    *sigh* They probably don't remember Sad Mac icons either :(

    Yes, get off my lawn.

    1. Re:Hello, Macintosh Finder by The123king · · Score: 1

      As a 25-yo OS-phile, I'm proud to say, yes, i've used spatial file managers in win95, MacOS Classic, Haiku/BeOS and Amiga .

      They suck.

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    2. Re:Hello, Macintosh Finder by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      (Gen X here) I grew up with spacial file managers and was resistant to their supplantation with single window managers, but I must admit the major reason for them - getting people to intuitively understand the concept of a hierarchical file space and a file's position within it - is no longer as important as it was.

      There are two major reasons: one, people are much more computer literate these days. And in my experience, people who have been resistant to learning about computers until now are just never going to get it, spacial file manager or not. And two: your files are now buried in some subfolder of a subfolder on your computer: that is, whether it's \Users\Etcetera, /home/etceteera, or whatever, which is going to generate confusion: either the user has to burrow through a set of directories to get to the part of the system they're allowed to store files on, and do this every time they open their PC, or they're going to get a short cut to the middle of the system in which case it's no longer doing the job of showing the hierarchy.

      Should it be like this? Probably not. But that's the way our computers are now.

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    3. Re:Hello, Macintosh Finder by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Saint Jobs said people had better things to do than tidy up their desktop. So no file manager for youuuu...

  14. API's ? for owncloud etc by johnjones · · Score: 1

    I hope the api is open so that people can build their own in... something like ownCloud ?

    webdav can be useful and caching would be great... conflict resolution with dropbox/icloud/box is going to be fun...

    anyone seen the API ?

    thanks

    John Jones

  15. YAY! by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    Now my $900 iPad Pro can have the same functionality as my $350 Chromebook... almost. I still can't run a full desktop OS in a chroot jail on the iPad Pro, but I guess... now I can look at the files? So... that's good?

    Not that I don't love my iPad Pro; I do, but... come on, Apple, your whole excuse for not giving us a file manager from the very start was security. I suppose you don't care about that anymore? That, or that excuse was a load of crap (yup) and you figured out a way to provide a file manager that doesn't actually access files... I guess, if your security excuse wasn't a complete lie and the file manager you provide is actually useful, we'll see a chroot jail on the iPad sooner, rather than later, so time will ultimately tell.

    What interesting times we live in.

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    1. Re:YAY! by The123king · · Score: 1

      Jailbreak it and run Windows 95 https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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  16. And only 10 major versions late! by sabbede · · Score: 1
    Seriously, they only thought to do this now?

    Apple is ridiculous. Who else would introduce basic functionality ten years late and call it innovation?

    1. Re:And only 10 major versions late! by Bongo · · Score: 1

      It's not innovation, it's giving in to people.

      IIRC they said ages ago that people struggle as soon as they hit a file manager.
      So, being simpler, the iPad was something even grandma could use.

      But in the subsequent years, nobody invented anything better, and we're all still emailing round attachments like it's 1992.
      And services like DropBox are becoming their own ecosystem.

      So damn it, chuck in a file manager and move on.

    2. Re:And only 10 major versions late! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Seriously, they only thought to do this now?

      Apple is ridiculous. Who else would introduce basic functionality ten years late and call it innovation?

      No, it's courage.

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    3. Re:And only 10 major versions late! by sabbede · · Score: 1

      Oh, that's even better!

    4. Re:And only 10 major versions late! by sabbede · · Score: 1
      Ah, that's Apple for you. Some people struggle with file managers, so don't have one at all. Forget the people who expect one (and wouldn't struggle), provide only features for the lowest common denominator.

      When I first got an iPhone, I went nuts looking for the file manager. The idea that there wouldn't be one never crossed my mind. When I found out that I'd have to jailbreak it to get one I was dumbfounded. It was like I was dealing with a car with forward and back buttons instead of pedals and a shifter.

      But thank you. At least now I know why they did what they did. Maybe next they'll add the other thing I naturally expected and went nuts trying to find - xterm.

  17. Finally! by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2

    I've had an iPad for years. It boots fast, it's portable, and less hassle than my laptop. Yet, when I want to do anything, I fire up the laptop. Of the shortcomings of the tablet, the lack of a file system was the biggest.

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    1. Re: Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use the File Browser app. It's great, also lets me access my Linux shares from iOS. It just works. I doubt Apple's will be as solid.

  18. How about we get with the 80's by JamesOlinOden · · Score: 1

    I mean hierarchical filesystems have been around a very very long time.

  19. Re:simple,they didn't need it then, they need it n by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    I know surely dozens, perhaps a hundred Mac and iDevice users.
    Never met a fanboi, though.
    Is that an american specimen?

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  20. Re:simple,they didn't need it then, they need it n by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

    Then the big iPhone 6 came out and suddenly big screens were cool.

    Then the iPhone SE came out and people realized big screens were not cool, they only bought phones with big screens because they had the nicest hardware. (Until the SE, every phone sub 4" screen was compromised in not nice ways).

    The iPhone SE was something that took Apple for surprise - everyone was telling Apple they wanted huge screens and iPhones sucked because they lacked a big screen. So Apple followed what the market said and released big screen phones. However, they noticed that not everyone wanted a big screen - there appeared to be a few people who hung onto their tiny screen phones and refused to upgrade. So Apple created the SE to appease this small (and vocal) market. What they didn't expect was how popular it turned out to be - a significant number of people wanted a new phone, but not if it meant going to a big screen, which is why the SE was way underproduced.

    (And I've seen people who can't even two-handedly use a big screen phone. They are holding it by both edges and neither hand can cover the entire screen while holding the phone - they need one hand to hold it by the edge while the other one touches it).

  21. Not so fast by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

    Everyone is freaking out about how they're so late to the party, what about security, etc etc, but lets hold on a sec.

    Has anyone *actually* see this tool in operation? Does it *actually* expose the local file system, or does it just display files from applications that tie into some "File Manager" API?

    I'm going to reserve judgement until I've actually seen this thing in action.

    Also, I just want to say that anyone making fun of Apple's previous refusal to make the raw file system accessible to users, has clearly never had to do tech support where someone decided the best place for their personal files was in a system directly, which was then promptly wiped out during an upgrade. We have to remember that the people on slashdot are (typically) more tech savvy than the average consumer, and my expectation is that this file manager will be limited so that said average consumer won't shoot themselves in the foot.

    1. Re:Not so fast by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      It makes me think of the Atari ST. (I don't know about original and black and white Macs as those were more of a rarity)

      The primary or even only way to interact with it was the file system, which was very simple : icon for the A drive on the desktop, double-click it, a window opens with an icon for each file. Only other way to do things was the top menu bar, "stolen" from Macintosh.
      But as the entire OS and GUI are in ROM, the file manager only dealt with user files and external programs stored on floppies. I'm sure you might do something stupid like deleting the programs on your floppies but floppies had the physical write protect tab to make them a bit fool proof.
      Anyway, I'm sure the iPad would be similar in displaying only user files and no system files at all. Just like my dumbphone does by the way!

  22. Re:simple,they didn't need it then, they need it n by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

    Here, get educated courtesy of the Oatmeal.

  23. select * from phail by lucm · · Score: 1

    If you're saying that a DBA "architects" payroll, billing/payables and ordering systems, then either you work for your mom's used furniture store, or you're completely full of shit. All major enterprise software packages come with very specific requirements for the database layer; the only "architecting" a DBA would do in that context is pointing at one of the 2 supported database products, then tell the SAN guy how big the LUN has to be - and usually the company will bring in someone else to do that.

    As for money: the Oracle DBA team at work got outsourced following the advice of our trusted European slavers (one of the "Big Four"). There's been basically no difference for the business except saving money, because the handful of applications that still require Oracle all come with the vendor's own guidelines and maintenance/tuning instructions and even the Budapest and Bangalore lowest bidders can run plsql scripts and sit in front of Oracle Management Cloud, and they do it for less money than a shift supervisor at McDonalds; we only see one or two of them who act as "team leads". And those databases are for support functions anyways, such as the ones you mention (payroll, etc) which themselves are in the process of being outsourced to various SaaS and third-party services.Those that can't are migrated to SQL Server on AWS RDS, where it's also a low-cost engineer that does the DBA work; it's included in the price tag.

    All the value-added software created by the company for its core business runs on modern databases, such as MongoDB or Accumulo. Since most apps were using Hibernate or some kind of ORM, the dev teams basically just got rid of the middleman. Not having to force an object model in the rigid structure of antiquated data storage technologies (i.e. Oracle RDBMS) allows the developers to focus on features that bring value to the organization, instead of spending their time begging DBAs to "update statistics" or "add indexes" because Oracle is slow as a pack of crippled donkeys.

    If you're truly a DBA, you probably have another 3-5 years to milk your clueless employer before they figure out how useless you are. All the market trends published over the last few years clearly indicate that the RDBMS are becoming obsolete and that Oracle is losing its share of that dwindling market. Your boss (and/or mom) is bound to stumble upon one of those studies sooner than later.

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