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At $75,560, Housing a Prisoner in California Now Costs More Than a Year at Harvard (latimes.com)

The cost of imprisoning each of California's 130,000 inmates is expected to reach a record $75,560 in the next year, the AP reported. From the article: That's enough to cover the annual cost of attending Harvard University and still have plenty left over for pizza and beer Gov. Jerry Brown's spending plan for the fiscal year that starts July 1 includes a record $11.4 billion for the corrections department while also predicting that there will be 11,500 fewer inmates in four years (alternative source) because voters in November approved earlier releases for many inmates. The price for each inmate has doubled since 2005, even as court orders related to overcrowding have reduced the population by about one-quarter. Salaries and benefits for prison guards and medical providers drove much of the increase. The result is a per-inmate cost that is the nation's highest -- and $2,000 above tuition, fees, room and board, and other expenses to attend Harvard. Since 2015, California's per-inmate costs have surged nearly $10,000, or about 13%. New York is a distant second in overall costs at about $69,000.

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  1. we'll pay for prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We'll pay to put people in prison, yet we won't pay to educate people. Maybe it's just me, but perhaps, just perhaps this nation has its priorities backwards.

    1. Re:we'll pay for prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Are they suggesting that Harvard students should be housed in California prisons?

    2. Re:we'll pay for prison by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Getting tough is easier than getting smart when it comes to getting votes.

    3. Re:we'll pay for prison by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

      Then they'd refer to it as the slahmah.

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    4. Re:we'll pay for prison by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Are they suggesting that Harvard students should be housed in California prisons?

      That wouldn't be a bad idea. A 1978 documentary, Scared Straight!, had a group of juvenile delinquents meet harden convicts who scared the crap out of them to convince that a life of crime doesn't pay. Such an experience for the graduating class of Harvard might convince future Wall Street traders and politicians to be more ethical in their dealings.

    5. Re:we'll pay for prison by cheesybagel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A lot of people in US jails are in for drug related offenses. The US has one of the highest incarceration rates in the world and there is no excuse for that.

    6. Re:we'll pay for prison by Shimbo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Are they suggesting that Harvard students should be housed in California prisons?

      That wouldn't be a bad idea. A 1978 documentary, Scared Straight!, had a group of juvenile delinquents meet harden convicts who scared the crap out of them to convince that a life of crime doesn't pay.

      Unfortunately "Scared Straight!" is a textbook case of an idea that sounds good in theory and makes good TV but when you do do proper controlled trials you discover that it is worse than useless: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...

    7. Re:we'll pay for prison by arth1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What other metric would you use to pay for those prisons? Customer satisfaction?

      How about recidivism rates? Pay a bonus for every prisoner that's released from a prison, every year until they are arrested again or die, whichever comes first.
      That would add an incentive for rehabilitation.

    8. Re:we'll pay for prison by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or just make them get law degrees. Harvard has nearly a 0% recidivism rate; people who go to Harvard almost never go back. :-)

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    9. Re:we'll pay for prison by TimothyHollins · · Score: 4, Funny

      So...Rob a Bank, get a free education?

      In fall 2016, some 20.5 million students are expected to attend American colleges and universities

      This is one trillion five hundred billion dollars.

      Fuck You.

      I don't want to interrupt your delightful exposition, but as far as I can tell the proposal for tax-funded college doesn't necessarily require that we send everyone to Harvard.

      In fact, if I may be so bold, I would tentatively suggest that it could be a tad tricky to fit 20.5 million students into Harvard, as it's only 85 ha (344 km^2) in size.
      Looking into it, even if we assume that we can squeeze 4 students in per square meter (a proposal that is sure to deflate any hopes of reducing the number of Title IX charges this year), we're still 19.12 million students short!
      We would need to stack our students 15 stories high, and that doesn't even take into account how we're gonna keep them standing still the entire semester, cause with entropy this thing will rapidly become un-manageable, and good luck keeping your customer satisfaction ratings up then! You can already expect a solid one-star ratings drop from the students the staff will have to park their cars on.

      However, I'm sure you have already considered this before enlightening us all with your sparkling wit. So, with great anticipation and rock-hard nipples, I await your solution.

      Thank you.

    10. Re:we'll pay for prison by queazocotal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If more harvard students went to prison, on the other hand, you can guarantee treatment of prisoners would improve.

    11. Re:we'll pay for prison by queazocotal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or pleading up from actually being innocent.

    12. Re:we'll pay for prison by Gilgaron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the military is currently used as a 'right-wing friendly' make-work program. You have the poor employed and trained as soldiers, the middle class as scientists and engineers to make the equipment, and the upper class running the industrial complex. Maybe a CCC style program could replace it but I'm not sure that simply cutting the military budget in half would necessarily solve more problems than it would cause with how things stand.

  2. Most of the money spent at college by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Funny

    goes to education. Most of the money spent at a private prison goes to the people running the prison. Our priorities are just fine, provided you run a private prison and/or own stock in one.

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  3. Re:If only all of us would stop committing felonie by PoopJuggler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If all of us would stop electing officials who don't mind paying $1.5 trillion for F35s when maybe we could make college free for everyone.

  4. Expected by mesterha · · Score: 5, Informative

    While we pay too much to keep people in prison. (And spiteful people seem to want to keep them there.) The changes in California are not unreasonable. They show a 6% yearly increase. Given that the prison population is shrinking, it's not surprising that the fixed costs that are built into the system are going to give a number that is higher than inflation, which is about 2% over that timespan.

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  5. We're doing it wrong news at 11 by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The solution has already been demonstrated very well, it's called restorative justice.

  6. Major impact actually from MJ and MMJ by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I found out the King County budget was exploding, it turned out a lot of that was for enforcement, trials, juries, and prison for people who were using MJ.

    We slashed our budget by making MJ arrests the lowest enforcement priority in Seattle and Tacoma.

    Then we legalized MJ and MMJ statewide.

    California will soon do this as well.

    It's a "crime" that is almost entirely enforced on black and brown folks even though most users and dealers are actually white.

    And then they have prison records, so they can't work.

    By pardoning everyone and removing these "convictions" from their records, we increase the GDP and get more people working and paying taxes.

    Same for California. Same for Canada.

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  7. Prison guards make around $150k a year in Calif. by Spy+Handler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Prison guards' Union, for some weird reason, wields great power in California state legislature and the politicians generally just give them whatever they want.

  8. Re:If only all of us would stop committing felonie by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Insightful

    College educated people had to be hired to design the F-35. So it's not a total waste. Arms industry represents about 2% of the nation's GDP and about 10% of the US's manufacturing output.

    Obviously being the world leader in death and destruction doesn't sit well with some of us. But it is extremely profitable.

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  9. Re:No, it's $3774 per month by Spy+Handler · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's nice. How about looking at some real world data:

    http://gawker.com/5797381/spoi...

    "One sergeant with a base salary of $81,683 collected $114,334 in overtime and $8,648 in bonuses last year, and he's not even the highest paid."

    $81k base + $114k overtime + $8k bonus = $203k

    Oh and not every prison guard lives in Bay area.

  10. Bad Comparison by SoulMaster · · Score: 5, Informative

    This comparison is stupid.

    Contrary to popular belief: Harvard's true tuition is based on your family's income/assets, it's not fixed like standard schools. I get that the "list price" is $69K, but that's not the "cost" if your family isn't earning ~$250K/year. Harvard has "need-based" scholarship programs that can reduce the true cost to zero or near zero. The point is, if your academics can get you into Harvard College, they don't want you to worry about the price, they want you to attend. Oh, and they disallow student loans. https://college.harvard.edu/fi...

    From the Harvard site (linked): "In fact, approximately 70 percent of our students receive some form of aid, and about 60 percent receive need–based scholarships and pay an average of $12,000 per year. Twenty percent of parents pay nothing. No loans required."

    Here's a calculator: https://college.harvard.edu/fi...

    In other words, the "genius" who made this comparison isn't Harvard material - and is trying to say "it's expensive to house our inmates" by assuming Harvard is expensive. The truth is, it's not.

    If s/he had done some research, s/he could should have said "Cost of a Porsche Boxster S", or something else that is actually "expensive" instead of making the poor people think they've got no chance of affording Harvard if they can get in.

    Sloppy journalism.

    -SM

    Go Crimson!