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TSA May Recommend Stowing Laptops In Cargo For US Domestic Flights (cbslocal.com)

Matt.Battey writes: According to WJZ in Baltimore, the TSA may force passengers to check laptops on domestic U.S. flights. Based on the common fear, uncertainty and doubt that supports the TSA's security theater, the terror attacks in Great Britain could result in laptop bans in the U.S. TSA officer Camille Morris is quoted as saying, "A AA battery is fine. A AAA. A 9-volt battery is a huge power charge. The size of the battery that can take down a plane when attached to an explosive." Backed up by comments from Ben Yelin of the University of Maryland Center for Health and Homeland Security, his statement confirms the problem: "Airplanes have been the common threat that we've seen over the past several years." Personally, I'm just glad we have the TSA to recommend we "arrive two hours before a domestic flight, and three hours before an international trip."

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  1. Le sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    AA battery - fine
    AAA battery - ok
    9V battery - Danger Will Robinson!

    Please tell me that SOMEONE in that department is aware that a 9V battery is simply 6 AAAA batteries in a fancy wrapper...

    1. Re: Le sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      A disposable camera flash uses a single AA battery to generate a 300V charge.

  2. Re: Waiting for someone to make explosive clothes by Matt.Battey · · Score: 2, Informative

    Exploding Trousers is a real thing, apparently.

  3. Re:Insurance by imidan · · Score: 3, Informative

    They absolutely can't impose this rule and maintain the current rate of pilfering valuables from checked luggage by TSA and baggage handlers. I learned long ago not to pack anything worth stealing in a suitcase that I'm going to check. In fact, last time I flew with my girlfriend, she didn't know about the level of theft and packed some jewelry in her checked bag. This was a totally domestic itinerary. The bag that contained all of her jewelry disappeared from her luggage. Happily, it was all relatively cheap stuff, so it wasn't a huge loss, but it's sad to me that I thought not packing valuables in checked bags was just common knowledge and didn't think to mention it to her.

    I absolutely would not check my own laptop. Or, for that matter, anything else that I value that some TSA loser might want to pawn.

  4. That battery-comment is complete BS by gweihir · · Score: 5, Informative

    A 9V battery does not deliver more power than an AA cell. It delivers less. (AA alkaline cell: 1.5V@0.38A = .57W, AAA alkaline cell: 1.5V @0.3A = 0.5W, 9V alkaline cell: 9V@0.05A = 0.45W, all taken from Varta datasheets for fast discharge currents.) A 9V battery delivers more voltage, which in times of cheap, low-input voltage capable and super efficient (90% efficienty) step-up converters means exactly nothing. Also, depending on detonator-type, you can detonate with 1.5V directly.

    The TSA has stepped from merely ridiculously incompetent to fully incompetent.

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  5. Re:Explosion on cargo compartment vs cabin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The threat considered is shaped charges that a terrorist could hold against the inside cabin surface to create a hole in the fuselage. If the terrorist cannot predict where and how the explosive will be positioned, the amount of explosive (given those they can acquire/make) would have to be increased to achieve the same damage, probably beyond the available space in the laptop.

  6. Re:Vague threats by Etcetera · · Score: 1, Informative

    Not so vague:

    The security source said both bans were not the result of a single specific incident but a combination of factors.

    One of those, according to the source, was the discovery of a plot to bring down a plane with explosives hidden in a fake iPad that appeared as good as the real thing. Other details of the plot, such as the date, the country involved and the group behind it, remain secret.

    Discovery of the plot confirmed the fears of the intelligence agencies that Islamist groups had found a novel way to smuggle explosives into the cabin area in carry-on luggage after failed attempts with shoe bombs and explosives hidden in underwear. An explosion in a cabin (where a terrorist can position the explosive against a door or window) can have much more impact than one in the hold (where the terrorist has no control over the position of the explosive, which could be in the middle of luggage, away from the skin of the aircraft), given passengers and crew could be sucked out of any subsequent hole. - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/26/plot-explosives-ipad-us-uk-laptop-ban

    And not theoretical:

    Somali authorities have released a video they say shows a laptop being given to the passenger after he has passed through the security checkpoint.

    A man in an orange hi-vis vest is shown walking with a man in a blue shirt holding what looks like a laptop. Another man in a hat approaches them and it is alleged that the laptop is handed over.
    - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-35521646

    But sure... keep complaining.

  7. Re: Insurance by Hachima · · Score: 2, Informative

    Most airlines specify electronics are not covered for damage. This may have to change but for now don't expect electronics to be covered. If it's like the current international ban items lime DSLR cameras and even lenses (they contain electronics) are also banned.

  8. Re:Insurance by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, they aren't. In fact, it is illegal to transport even Lithium ion batteries in the cargo hold of an aircraft under current FAA regulations, precisely because the halon fire suppression system inside the cargo hold is not particularly effective at putting out lithium fires, whereas there are means of suppressing a lithium fire in the cabin of an aircraft as long as a human being can get to the fire in time. Thus, the general consensus among experts is that a Lithium fire is considerably safer in the cabin than in the cargo hold.

    Why is the TSA deliberately trying to make air travel less safe?

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  9. Re:I don't know about this... by ColaMan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Jets can't recover from sudden depressurization via gaping hole in the cabin

    Jets certainly can, because it's happened a few times in the past - most notably that Hawaii Airlines one where a stewardess got sucked out. Flight crew have "proper" emergency oxygen masks and are trained in their use. Passengers, if they're strapped in, well they tend to black out in about 30 seconds at 30,000+ feet, and you won't be at that altitude for long, because the pilot be descending at 10,000+ feet per minute, pronto.

    Down there in the cargo bay however you have a lot of vital aircraft components going past - power and hydraulics, the avionics bay, centrally mounted fuel tanks, etc. If I had a choice between blowing out a door in flight (for example) or blowing a door-sized hole down below, I'd pick the hole in the passenger cabin every time.

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  10. Re:Vague threats by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

    While no fan, I at least recognize the deterrent they serve.

    You are a supporter, because you imagine that they serve as a deterrent. They do not. The armed air marshals do that. The TSA exists to terrorize the populace and sexually molest them, nothing more.

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  11. Re:Insurance by MangoCats · · Score: 3, Informative

    In cases where company policy contradicts local laws, local laws prevail.