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TSA May Recommend Stowing Laptops In Cargo For US Domestic Flights (cbslocal.com)

Matt.Battey writes: According to WJZ in Baltimore, the TSA may force passengers to check laptops on domestic U.S. flights. Based on the common fear, uncertainty and doubt that supports the TSA's security theater, the terror attacks in Great Britain could result in laptop bans in the U.S. TSA officer Camille Morris is quoted as saying, "A AA battery is fine. A AAA. A 9-volt battery is a huge power charge. The size of the battery that can take down a plane when attached to an explosive." Backed up by comments from Ben Yelin of the University of Maryland Center for Health and Homeland Security, his statement confirms the problem: "Airplanes have been the common threat that we've seen over the past several years." Personally, I'm just glad we have the TSA to recommend we "arrive two hours before a domestic flight, and three hours before an international trip."

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  1. Vague threats by kqs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When the going gets tough, the tough create vague terrorist threats. Does locking up our laptops make us great again?

  2. Le sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    AA battery - fine
    AAA battery - ok
    9V battery - Danger Will Robinson!

    Please tell me that SOMEONE in that department is aware that a 9V battery is simply 6 AAAA batteries in a fancy wrapper...

  3. Re:I don't know about this... by toonces33 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not only that - they just got through telling people that they didn't want people checking lithium batteries, because of the risk of a garden variety battery fire. Now they are thinking of *requiring* these things to be checked because of some unspecified threat.

  4. That battery-comment is complete BS by gweihir · · Score: 5, Informative

    A 9V battery does not deliver more power than an AA cell. It delivers less. (AA alkaline cell: 1.5V@0.38A = .57W, AAA alkaline cell: 1.5V @0.3A = 0.5W, 9V alkaline cell: 9V@0.05A = 0.45W, all taken from Varta datasheets for fast discharge currents.) A 9V battery delivers more voltage, which in times of cheap, low-input voltage capable and super efficient (90% efficienty) step-up converters means exactly nothing. Also, depending on detonator-type, you can detonate with 1.5V directly.

    The TSA has stepped from merely ridiculously incompetent to fully incompetent.

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  5. How absolutely stupid. by thesandtiger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If people wanted to take down aircraft, they would be able to take down aircraft. They don't want to take down aircraft - they want to terrify the easily frightened so that the easily frightened will overreact and do insane stupid shit like we have in the US.

    If the shoe bomber or the underpants bomber or any other kind of person they sent had been ACTUALLY tasked with taking down a plane rather than sowing fear and absurd responses, guess what? They would have set the fucking things off in the bathroom, not tried to do so while sitting in their fucking seat where people could see them. They sent morons to do something moronical, and the morons in charge ate that shit up.

    If they actually wanted to kill people, they would have suicide bombers go and wait for security screening lines to inevitably get backed up. They'd kill way more people that way and they wouldn't have to go through the security theater at the airports that weeds out the dimmest bulbs in the bunch.

    What they're doing now - attacking soft targets by ramming into crowds with trucks and shit - can only be meant to do one thing: terrify morons and get them to overreact, just like the morons are doing.

    Fucking cowards. By that I mean the "terrorists" and the pants-pissing weaklings who vote the "leaders" into office who try this shit. Literally anyone who is legitimately afraid of being killed by a terrorist and doesn't live in a literal war zone is a fucking moron.

    Know what killed and injured more people than the attack on London Bridge last week? FUCKING EVERYTHING. More people - by a fucking MILE - get killed every day from drunk driving in the US. More people get killed - by 10 fucking miles - by tobacco use in the US, every day. Domestic violence kills more people than terrorists do. Fuck, having to DRIVE instead of FLY because the airports are so fucking toxic kills more people, I'm sure.

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  6. Re:Insurance by AvitarX · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm just excited that lithium ion batteries in the cargo hold are safe now. Otherwise I'd be worried.

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  7. You are missing the point by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think you are missing the point here. Taking the statement completely at face value the argument seems to be that they want to ban batteries which have enough charge to detonate an explosive. If a terrorist has a battery and some explosives on a plane the problem is NOT that they have a bloody battery!

  8. Re:Insurance by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, they aren't. In fact, it is illegal to transport even Lithium ion batteries in the cargo hold of an aircraft under current FAA regulations, precisely because the halon fire suppression system inside the cargo hold is not particularly effective at putting out lithium fires, whereas there are means of suppressing a lithium fire in the cabin of an aircraft as long as a human being can get to the fire in time. Thus, the general consensus among experts is that a Lithium fire is considerably safer in the cabin than in the cargo hold.

    Why is the TSA deliberately trying to make air travel less safe?

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  9. Re:I don't know about this... by ColaMan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Jets can't recover from sudden depressurization via gaping hole in the cabin

    Jets certainly can, because it's happened a few times in the past - most notably that Hawaii Airlines one where a stewardess got sucked out. Flight crew have "proper" emergency oxygen masks and are trained in their use. Passengers, if they're strapped in, well they tend to black out in about 30 seconds at 30,000+ feet, and you won't be at that altitude for long, because the pilot be descending at 10,000+ feet per minute, pronto.

    Down there in the cargo bay however you have a lot of vital aircraft components going past - power and hydraulics, the avionics bay, centrally mounted fuel tanks, etc. If I had a choice between blowing out a door in flight (for example) or blowing a door-sized hole down below, I'd pick the hole in the passenger cabin every time.

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  10. Re: I recommend disbanding tsa. by KGIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It amuses me that there is no TSA screening for chartered flights. You can charter a flight and drive right up to the hanger, skipping TSA entirely. I'm pretty sure that a jet, freshly filled with fuel, will cause all sorts of consternation if you crash it into something like an occupied sports arena. It doesn't even need to be a big jet, either. Burning fuel would fly all over the place, as would bits of wreckage, causing a rather spectacular scene. No air marshals, no cockpit doors, and not a lick of official security required before boarding...

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