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US Pays Farmers Billions To Save The Soil. But It's Blowing Away (npr.org)

An anonymous reader shares an NPR report: Soil has been blowing away from the Great Plains ever since farmers first plowed up the prairie. It reached crisis levels during the Dust Bowl of the 1930s, when windblown soil turned day into night. In recent years, dust storms have returned, driven mainly by drought. But Shook -- and others -- say farmers are making the problem worse by taking land where grass used to grow and plowing it up, exposing vulnerable soil. This is where federal policy enters the picture. Most of that grassland was there in the first place because of a taxpayer-funded program. The U.S. Department of Agriculture rents land from farmers across the country and pays them to grow grass, trees and wildflowers in order to protect the soil and also provide habitat for wildlife. It's called the Conservation Reserve Program, or CRP. Ten years ago, there was more land in the CRP than in the entire state of New York. In North Dakota, CRP land covered 5,000 square miles. But CRP agreements only last 10 years, and when farming got more profitable about a decade ago, farmers in North Dakota pulled more than half of that land out of the CRP to grow crops like corn and soybeans. Across the country, farmers decided not to re-enroll 15.8 million acres of farmland in the CRP when those contracts expired between 2007 and 2014.

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  1. Make some real money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Use the land to grow weed. You don't really have to plow it.

    1. Re:Make some real money by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's probably for the best. Odds are that anyone growing weed couldn't plow a straight row anyway.

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    2. Re:Make some real money by ausekilis · · Score: 2

      In other news, stock prices for Mountain Dew and Doritos are soaring...

  2. Corn by unixcorn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Farming got more profitable when the government fully embraced ethanol. Farmers plowed under land to grow more corn to supply the government-funded ethanol plants that needed to go into gasoline by government mandate. Now the government is blaming farmers for farming and wanting to change the rules.

    1. Re:Corn by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ethanol is profitable only because of the tax incentives. Without the tax incentives, farmers will find something else grow.

    2. Re:Corn by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      And what about the wind blowing away?

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    3. Re:Corn by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Cant we farm without the soil blowing away

      Yes we can. The trick is to stop plowing. No-till is cheaper, less labor intensive, more profitable, and better for the soil. It also results in more carbon retained in the soil as humus. It is widely used, and adoption is growing.

    4. Re:Corn by unixcorn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Farmers rent their land to the CRP program. When the lease is up, the farmers can do what they please. With the promise of skyrocketing corn prices, it made it more attractive to farm the land rather than leaving the land in the program at the end of the lease. It's simple economics and farmers are business people. No taxpayer dollars were wasted.

    5. Re:Corn by Bruinwar · · Score: 2

      When corn prices skyrocketed then leveled off at a much higher price, everyone blamed ethanol. When the price of copper climbed 4X they blamed it on global demand & China. The fact is that commodities when fucking NUTS there for a while during the Great Recession & have normalized somewhere in the last few years. It had little to nothing to do with the multiple bullshit reasons the talking heads spat out daily

      Global pools of wealth gotta go somewhere.

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    6. Re:Corn by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      It's worse than that. I feel like a fucking bumper sticker because I say this here so often, but the corn used for making fuel is virtually all grown continuously, without crop rotation. This depletes the soil of everything. In cases where they burn the stubble they are at least putting the carbon back into the soil (corn is a heavy soil carbon user) but they are also emitting a bunch of soot.

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    7. Re:Corn by Sperbels · · Score: 3, Funny

      Where does it get blown to?

      Downwind.

  3. Government is just subsidizing bad practices. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you want the farmers to save their soil, you've got to let them go bankrupt.

    1. Re:Government is just subsidizing bad practices. by ctilsie242 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Then, some big multinational company will buy the land, and do the same thing, except on a larger scale.

  4. Tense is everything... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 5, Informative

    Tense is everything, and tense is something the title and summary screws up royally.

    Title says ...

    US Pays Farmers Billions To Save The Soil. But It's Blowing Away

    however the summary says the US stopped paying the farmers that money, because the farmers ceased to renew the enrolments...

    farmers decided not to re-enroll 15.8 million acres of farmland in the CRP when those contracts expired between 2007 and 2014

    The title makes it sound like the farmers are taking the money and eschewing their responsibilities and allowing the soil to blow away - they aren't, those responsibilities expired when the money stopped flowing.

    1. Re:Tense is everything... by David_Hart · · Score: 2

      Really douche bag. RTFA:

      "According to Cox, when farmers decide to take land out of the CRP, it means that most of the money spent on environmental improvements on that land is wasted. "The benefit is lost really quickly," he says."

      Farmed are pulling out of the CRP. The CRP agreements only last 10 years. After the 10 years the farmed pull out as opposed to continue.

      During that 10 year span, or however long the land was set aside, there was a benefit to the environment. Yes, any future benefit disappears when the farmers voluntarily opt out of the program. But the farmer isn't to blame for the fact that the dollars were spent on a temporary fix with no permanent solution.

      The dollars should have been used to buy up the land, not just rent it. For that I blame the people who decided on this program in the first place. My guess is that they might have honestly thought that we would be fixing environmental issue by now instead of making them worse....

    2. Re:Tense is everything... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2

      If the government wants to bitch and moan about it, then they should buy the land and then its theirs to do with as they wish, for as long as they wish.

      Farmers electing to not renew the contracts for allowing the land to lay fallow means that they think the money they get for doing so is less than the money they can get from working that land - so basically the government need to make it more of an incentive than they do right now.

      And none of that, including reading the article, changes my point about the title, summary and tense... the money paid is historical for historical obligations, it doesn't cover current obligations.

    3. Re:Tense is everything... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Buy the land, don't rent it. If you rent it, you can't complain when the house you build on the land is torn down after your rental period expires.

  5. Re:sounds like a shakedown by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You're barking up the wrong tree. The number of family farms are few in comparison to the corporate-owned farms. It's the corporations that are raking in every available tax break. Previous generations of my family were farmers. When I expressed an interest in going to a community college with an agriculture program in the early 1990's, my father told me to forget about it as family farming was a dead end. I went to a community college known for its technology programs.

  6. Two problems: tilth and clearing by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Tilth is farmers' fault. There are zero-tilth agricultural methods. Clearing is suppliers' fault. They effectively force farmers to clear woods around their property that would slow winds because it also harbors animals that might shit on the lettuce, or what have you. Instead of doing due diligence and actually inspecting produce, they just want to be able to handle it like it's made of plastic.

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  7. You can save soil by making soil by butchersong · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Stop subsidizing corn for corn syrup and ethanol. Make antibiotic use in grain lots illegal. Re-introduce large herds of ruminants to the areas that are no longer profitable to grow grains on. You know, like the Bison and others that actually created the great plains.

  8. Re:sounds like a shakedown by msauve · · Score: 3, Informative
    Bullshit.

    Family farms comprise 99 percent of U.S. farms, accounting for 89 percent of production. Small farms make up 90 percent of farms, operating nearly half of farmland. Still, large family farms accounted for 42 percent of production in 2015.

    - US Dept. of Agriculture

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  9. Re:Let them grow "grass" . . . by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't know what happens to its price, but I know that then we can certainly make American high again.

    #MAHA

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  10. Re:Let them grow "grass" . . . by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    What happens to the price of that "grass" when 15.8 million acres of it are planted?

    Billions of dollars stay in the American economy rather than going to violent gangs in Mexico and Colombia.

  11. Re:sounds like a shakedown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Family farms" and corporate-owned farms are the same according to that report, so long as a majority shareholder does some work or has a relative that does some work on the farm.

    By that measure, nearly every multinational corporation is a family business.

    You know fully well what people mean when they say "Family-farm" yet chose to ignore the contents of the report for a severely lacking headline summary that reinforces your biases. At least you could have read the report you linked to which shows that your claim, using terms as they are expected, is wrong.

  12. No-till is cheaper for who ? by DanDD · · Score: 2

    Monsanto's glyphosate, along with insecticides, are typically staples of no-till farming.

    Yes, it is cheaper to produce grain with no-till chemical techniques, but what kind of long term damage to society will result?

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    1. Re:No-till is cheaper for who ? by LunaticTippy · · Score: 3, Informative

      You don't have to use herbicides/pesticides for no-till farming. You can use cover crops, solarization, mulch, there are also organic no-till farms proliferating like um weeds.

      Besides, tilling is so awful for the environment and human health using roundup is probably the greener approach.

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    2. Re:No-till is cheaper for who ? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Last year I visited a research farm near UC Davis. The fields were no-till, and rather than spraying the entire field with glyphosate, the used a targeted applicator and an optical sensor to recognize the weeds and put the herbicide directly onto the leaves. No glyphosate was wasted by spraying it onto the soil or the crop. This cut the need for herbicide by 95%, reducing the cost and the environmental impact. They hope to make the applicator so accurate that it can even be used with crops that have no glyphosate tolerance, since none of it will touch them.

      In a few years, this technology will be common, and plowshares will be melted down to make, well, maybe swords or something.

  13. Re:sounds like a shakedown by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2

    http://www.cnbc.com/2014/05/06...

    "Speaking at a symposium at Iowa State University on May 2, the day the census came out, Vilsack said the U.S. faces an "eroding middle" when it comes to farming, and that a small number of large farm operations "produces the vast majority of the nation's food." "

    "However, three quarters of all U.S. farms gross only $50,000 a year and currently account for only 4 percent of product sales. But one analyst doesn't see that as a problem."

    Just 4% of farms account for almost all u.s. sales.

    The definition of farmer includes many tiny and unprofitable "farms" that are really more hobby or retirement plots than real farms. It's $1000 gross sales (so you can lose money every year and still be classed as a "farmer".)

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  14. CRP and property taxes by mhatle · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is another factor not covered. At least in Minnesota there used a be a property tax exemption for land that was under CRP. You would pay a significantly reduced property tax vs farmable land. They removed this exemption about 10 years ago now, and since that as CRP expires farmers would rather farm it, then pay the taxes as if they were farming it -- but without the associated yearly income.