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The Hidden Ways That Architecture Affects How You Feel (bbc.com)

"We shape our buildings and afterwards our buildings shape us," mused Winston Churchill in 1943 while considering the repair of the bomb-ravaged House of Commons. From a report: More than 70 years on, he would doubtless be pleased to learn that neuroscientists and psychologists have found plenty of evidence to back him up. We now know, for example, that buildings and cities can affect our mood and well-being, and that specialised cells in the hippocampal region of our brains are attuned to the geometry and arrangement of the spaces we inhabit. Yet urban architects have often paid scant attention to the potential cognitive effects of their creations on a city's inhabitants. The imperative to design something unique and individual tends to override considerations of how it might shape the behaviours of those who will live with it. That could be about to change. "There are some really good [evidence-based] guidelines out there" on how to design user-friendly buildings, says Ruth Dalton, who studies both architecture and cognitive science at Northumbria University in Newcastle. "A lot of architects choose to ignore them. Why is that?"

97 comments

  1. I agree by sunderland56 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The x86 architecture makes me extremely pissed off.

    1. Re:I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it the ISA or the ME that really pisses you off?

    2. Re:I agree by npslider · · Score: 1

      I prefer the Intel Itainum architecture personally. It's a bit more consistent for me... ;)

    3. Re:I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's actually Miss Mash that does.

      specialised cells in the hippocampal region of our brains are attuned to the geometry and arrangement of the spaces we inhabit

      Mindless retarded rubbish. Idiots trying to sound "quite educated." These buffoons are "smart" enough to look up things on Wikipedia showing that certain portions of the brain are active or certain cells respond but have NO IDEA WHAT THIS ACTUALLY MEANS. And it sounds all "sciencey" which is PERFECT if you're trying to do a feel-good smug NPR program. Put a beat to it. Zoom in on the "scientists" "adjusting" their oscilloscopes after the short-haired masculine chick with the journalism degree demands that they mess around with it for the camera shot. This does not work for true objective nerds.

    4. Re: I agree by Fwipp · · Score: 1

      Did some masculine chick shit in your cornflakes today?

    5. Re: I agree by war4peace · · Score: 1

      He IS the masculine chick.

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    6. Re:I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a textbook example of instruction brutalism. Fortunately in these days, the instruction postmodernism has won in the x86 world.

    7. Re:I agree by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      I didn't realize quite how stupid x86 architecture was, until I took a course on system370 assembly language. Switching to x86 assembly afterwards was trauma-inducing.

      What do you MEAN I can only use a specific register if I need to do a memory operation?!

  2. Christopher Alexander? by michael.karl.coleman · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's stunning that someone could write an article like this and not be aware of Christopher Alexander's work on the subject. Highly recommend his book A Pattern Language.

    1. Re:Christopher Alexander? by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Yes! "A Pattern Language" is the classic and best reference on architecture. I'm not an architect but have used this for advice on building, remodels, additions for years.

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    2. Re:Christopher Alexander? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      'A Pattern Language' is great for someone designing/building a house. He also has an introductory book, "The Timeless Way of Building" where he describes why current architecture is a disaster and how to instead design buildings that work for the people who inhabit them.

    3. Re:Christopher Alexander? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Christopher Alexander is the Douglas Engelbart of Architecture. They both are far more important than most people know. And if
      you actually professionally get too close to either of them you will likely destroy any chance of a traditional career. But both
      of them will be proved right over time, and eventually the world will catch up to both of their visions. If you really want to
      change the world, studying these two people's work will show you where to begin.

      Why is the textbox for ./comments a nearly invisible light gray color?

  3. Beauty is good. Function is good. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you're going to live in a city, find one with beautiful, functional buildings that respect human scale, that has sidewalks and bike lanes and parks and a nice chunk of water with public access.

    This probably means you'll have to live in a city run by Democrats, but you'll adjust.

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  4. Cost or time by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

    >> lot of architects choose to ignore them. Why is that?

    Same reason software architects ignore principles: cost or time interferes with perfection. Why is this even a question?

    >> says Ruth Dalton, who studies both architecture and cognitive science at Northumbria University

    Ah...now I see. Not much real world experience here, I guess.

    1. Re:Cost or time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From a distance cities look great.

      Upclose the jumble of every building being different with no co-ordination or organization rages with my CDO, er OCD.

      Take Seattle, the Columbia Tower is (my opinion) awesome, it looks like somewhere Darth Vader would work, awesome up close, awesome from a-far. Then you look at all the random shit around it, with one or two exceptions they're all f***ing ugly buildings.

    2. Re:Cost or time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure what "real world" you live in:

      Professor Dalton is an alumna of University College London. As a licensed architect, she has worked for Foster and Partners (London) and Sheppard Robson Corgan Architects (London) and key projects upon which she has worked include the Carré d’Art de Nîmes, in France, the Palaçio de Congresos in Valencia, Spain, and the Kings Cross International Terminal (unbuilt). She has taught at the Architectural Association, London, the Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, USA and the Bartlett School of Architecture, UCL.

    3. Re:Cost or time by laurencetux · · Score: 1

      its not as such the fact of buildings looking Fugly and or Random its
      (just guessing but)

      1 Lack of Natural Light (to many buildings right next to each other blocking Light

      2 To much Grey/Beige or other Neutral Colors

      3 Not Enough Decent Green spaces

      4 Not Enough paths to places (designs like to block paths)

    4. Re:Cost or time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      parent: "Not Enough paths to places (designs like to block paths) "

      I've noticed that suburban strip malls and "shopping" centers go to great lengths to direct and CONTROL both foot and automobile traffic. It is almost fascist in nature the way they block natural pathways and force you to take long circuitous managed routes.

      If you look closely however, you will find well worn (dare I say 'natural') sensible pathways through the grass and shrubbery which were put there by ordinary people without planning or college degree. They instinctively knew what worked, architects be damned, tramping their way to freedom one blade at a time.

    5. Re:Cost or time by Ghostworks · · Score: 2

      This sort of thing comes up a lot, actually.

      "You know, I saw an article that pointed out to me that there's actually a lot of interesting study going on in this field. Maybe some of it could help us."
      "So you understand it enough to apply it?"
      "Not especially."
      "Should we fire you and find someone who does?"
      "You know what, it was just a suggestion. Fine, let's just XOR this and difference those and call it a day."

    6. Re:Cost or time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Architects have the boards and various authorities to satisfy with the plans, reports and certifications, and the communities of relevant persons to put at ease. Software architects mostly do not, yet. Those architects who aim for "perfection", that is the fully realized materialization of their ego to the physical world, often end up designing leaking or otherwise technically faulty buildings that are also very expensive.
        Cost and time constraints may make the construction companies to replace the designed solutions with a simpler ones, or just cheating on the materials, books, work or hiring subcontractors from neighboring countries to avoid paying social costs to locals. Architects can influence the cost by selecting tested, verified and easily accessible standard components that may not look so nice but save a lot in custom engineering, manual labour and convincing the authorities.
        Psychology in design usually only comes into play via the principles of the art, the customer and end-user opinion, or via ergonomics and testing for emergency conditions. The real world cases where school design has improved the behaviour of the students, for example, already exists and eventually the related principles are developed enough that those can be taught in the schools offering AEC degrees and then later required at the design boards.

  5. User-friendly buildings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about making buildings a little more aesthetically pleasing than a bunch of random geometric shapes thrown together? Modern architecture is hideous.

    1. Re:User-friendly buildings by RotateLeftByte · · Score: 1

      There are many forms of modern architecture. I tend to like things from the Art Deco period and find some late Victorian Gothic very brutal just like 1960's urban/functional boxes. The latter are largely being torn down now but plenty still exist.

      The beauty of many buildings is 'in the eye of the beholder'.
      There are some excellent architechs around today but... some are awful.

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    2. Re:User-friendly buildings by RotateLeftByte · · Score: 2

      To add to my previous post, a building is more than just the Architecture.
      The furnishing/fixtures and fitting can make or break a building.
      Rennie Mackintosh understood this perfectly.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  6. I don't care... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm still going to use Dho-Nha geometry as an inspiration for interior decoration.

    1. Re:I don't care... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chuthlu approves.

  7. Churchill? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone let a Tory in? Call the Thought Police immediately.

  8. the Chinese did it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    feng shui is nothing new.

  9. Seems like common sense by Spy+Handler · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not sure if we needed studies to figure this out, but:

    One of Ellard's most consistent findings is that people are strongly affected by building facades. If the facade is complex and interesting, it affects people in a positive way; negatively if it is simple and monotonous. For example, when he walked a group of subjects past the long, smoked-glass frontage of a Whole Foods store in Lower Manhattan, their arousal and mood states took a dive

    I could've told them this, for free. Here in southern Calif, there are strip malls built in the (prosperous) 90's in faux Mediterranean style, with complex gables, fake man-made (but realistic-looking) stonework on the facade, red clay barrel tiles on the roof, curvy wrought-iron railings. I love going to these, makes me feel good to be there.

    As opposed to the strip malls built in the lame 70's... usually with a plain monotonous stucco exterior, all square everything, flat roofs coated with a grey tar-like substance, straight unadorned industrial-looking railings. I believe they call this "modern" style. I dislike going to these places.

    Unfortunately, complex interesting-looking buildings cost more to make than the "modern" style buildings.

    1. Re:Seems like common sense by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, complex interesting-looking buildings cost more to make than the "modern" style buildings.

      That is only in some cases.

      In other cases, money is just squandered to make and maintain a fancy ego-building, with absolutely no regards to the people who will actually have to go through it. The San Francisco International Airport is one such example.

    2. Re:Seems like common sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I enjoy taking virtual tours through places in the world like LA and San Francisco on Google Streetview. The most beautiful decorations are those friezes they paint on the outside of pet stores, farm foods and good stores. The freaky stuff is the trippy things like a snail house

    3. Re:Seems like common sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The studies are not needed to figure out such things. They're needed so that science can co-opt common sense and intuition. It's "unscientific" to posit that design affects one's state of mind. But once someone comes up with evidence, however flimsy, that the brain may be affected in a direct physical/chemical way by environmental patterns, then science gains purview over the idea. It's essentially a territory grab by the dominant religion.

  10. About to Change? by nukenerd · · Score: 1

    The imperative to design something unique and individual tends to override [other] considerations. That could be about to change.

    No it won't.

  11. Interior vs. exterior by swb · · Score: 1

    My wife and I once debated spending some money on some furniture versus some exterior work on the front of our house. My argument was for the furniture -- sure, the exterior work would make the house much more attractive. But I only see that side when I go in and out the front of the house. I have to sit on the furniture in the house every day.

    So why spend the money and make myself miserable with my old furniture just so the neighbors have a fancy facade to look at?

    I wonder how often that idea comes up. I've seen amazing buildings on the outside and been totally nonplussed with the interiors. I've been in some buildings that were fugly as hell on the outside, but awesome on the inside.

    1. Re:Interior vs. exterior by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      So why spend the money and make myself miserable with my old furniture just so the neighbors have a fancy facade to look at?

      I wonder how often that idea comes up. I've seen amazing buildings on the outside and been totally nonplussed with the interiors. I've been in some buildings that were fugly as hell on the outside, but awesome on the inside.

      Ignoring that there really are people who care too much what their neighbors think of them, Isn't the idea normally to increase the value of the house through the exterior renovations? The furniture is going to give you more comfort, but it wont make your home worth more when you sell it.

      While I imagine you've long since resolved the discussion with your spouse, a compromise could have been interior renovations on the house instead of new furniture. Something you both would enjoy as the inhabitants of the home, but not portable in nature. A whirlpool bath, finishing out a basement and making a rec room, home theater room (sound system and furniture installed in a permanent manner), thinks like that.

    2. Re:Interior vs. exterior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our old Brutalist art gallery was demolished to make way for a fancy post-modern deconstructivist nightmare. One problem though; curved walls.

      Now, I'm no art genius but I'm pretty sure pictures tend to be flat.

    3. Re:Interior vs. exterior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But why does adding pretty to the exterior increase price? Strictly rationally the buyers should focus on the important stuff that will make their life better if they purchase - comfort and functionality - rather than whether the facade has the latest in whatever is fashionable.

      Personally my wife and I have focussed on the bits we actually use and/or see more than twice a day: the interior, the rear facade and the backyard. The front yard and front facade receive the bare minimum attention required: basic maintenance, occasional paining, just enough garden to dissuade potential squatters. But then we have no plans to sell short of death or imminent financial disaster, so ymmv.

    4. Re:Interior vs. exterior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our museum suffered a similar fate. The city's old museum was an ugly warren of rooms of varying ages that you could get lost in for days and still want to come back for more. The replacement is modern and very impressive to look at - lots of pointy metal bits, weirdly angled concrete, flat leaky roofs and all the standard indicators of a modern "statement" building - but the interior is a bleak expanse of oversized, echoing rooms with not very much in them that's good for maybe half a day before you get bored and find something else to do.

      It's like the architect was told to double the size, halve the collection on display and completely remove any character or humanity from the equation.

    5. Re:Interior vs. exterior by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      but it wont make your home worth more when you sell it.

      It may or may not; depends on what the housing marking it like when I need to sell. But until you sell you'll be paying more in property tax for having an improved structure.

    6. Re:Interior vs. exterior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First impressions matter.

    7. Re:Interior vs. exterior by swb · · Score: 1

      Really, I think round walled art galleries have been considered acceptable since Frank Lloyd Wright built Peggy Guggenheim a museum. I don't recall an issue with the paintings and it's one of those buildings you can say is both a visual and functional masterpiece.

    8. Re:Interior vs. exterior by swb · · Score: 1

      Curb appeal gets buyers in, but I think the only renovations that actually increase your house's value are kitchens and bathrooms, and in some markets, a basement that has been finished from bare utility to normal living space.

      Otherwise, I think the best bang for your buck with regard to exteriors is just basic maintenance -- keeping up the paint and whatever you have for greenery.

      I think most real estate agents say that too much personalization or technology works against you. It may be great when new, but its prone to being obsolete when you sell and new buyers may have different tastes or lifestyle choices.

      A home theater as you describe it will be considered "neat", but to buyers its a purpose built room with hard to change functionality. Maybe if its less than 3 years old and comes with all the gear to make it run.

  12. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

    This probably means you'll have to live in a city run by Democrats, but you'll adjust.

    Here is an complete list of states where the biggest city is not run by Democrats:

    1. Oklahoma

  13. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by PPH · · Score: 1

    a city run by Democrats

    But you can't get a building permit.

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  14. It's called Feng Shui by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're about 3,500 years behind

  15. difference for the sake of difference by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    > "There are some really good [evidence-based] guidelines out there" on how to design user-friendly buildings, says Ruth Dalton, who studies both architecture and cognitive science at Northumbria University in Newcastle. "A lot of architects choose to ignore them. Why is that?"

    For the same reason anything gets fragmented and unusable. Differentiation. The often vain attempt of a designer (or company) to make something different for the sole purpose of making it easily identifiable as belonging to said designer (or company). To such thinking, standardization is the enemy, and usability is not a top priority.

    This can be true for most any product design, not just architecture. When one wants to *be* the standard, one tends to avoid following existing standards where possible.

    A good (and often funny) book to read on this subject is "From Bauhaus to Our House" by Tom Wolfe. Although one could argue with some of his points, the observation that Modern Architecture (now superceded by the arguably more livable Postmodern Architecture) tended to do things badly -- like narrow halls, flat roofs (which tended to collapse in snowy climates) tightly cordoned "proletariat" floor plans, acrophobia-inducing floor-to-ceiling windows in skyscrapers, and other attempts at doing something different for the sake of difference, were dead on target.

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    1. Re:difference for the sake of difference by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      I liked the way that Evelyn Waugh took the piss out of the Bauhaus : "The perfect building is a factory - because it is not designed for people" [or similar words AFAIR].

    2. Re:difference for the sake of difference by mfnickster · · Score: 2

      A good (and often funny) book to read on this subject is "From Bauhaus to Our House" by Tom Wolfe.

      I really enjoyed James Kunstler's Geography of Nowhere and Home from Nowhere where he talks about the disaster of post-war suburban planning and "undoing the damage of modernism."

      If you can spare 22 minutes, see his TED talk How bad architecture wrecked cities.

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    3. Re:difference for the sake of difference by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I've seen it. But it was worth watching again.

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  16. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, you'll adjust, once you grow an immunity to feral human gunfire.

  17. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This probably means you'll have to live in a city run by Democrats

    You mean like Detroit?

    Quips aside, pretty much every big(ish) city in US is run by Democrats these days... you have to go to rural areas to find non-Dems.

    But please be aware that some of the nicest and most iconic features in our major cities were built decades or centuries ago when the cities weren't completely saturated with Democrat voters.

    Of course many of the most beautiful structures in the world were made eons ago when Democrats or even liberalism didn't exist. Hagia Sophia anyone?

  18. Sunlight by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 2

    The common ground between a physiologist, psychologist, and feng shui expert would be sunlight. I've felt it most as I entered a tiny bathroom in the middle of a dingy building, and all of a sudden I felt great. I looked everywhere for what could explain my mood change and finally realized the light above me was from a small solar tube. It happened a 2nd time in a different building and I've been wondering ever since why they're not everywhere, if the architecture doesn't design it in to begin with.

    1. Re:Sunlight by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      The common ground between a physiologist, psychologist, and feng shui expert would be sunlight

      Each to his own. I hate the fucking sun; it always seems to be in my eyes when I am trying to work. I'd be happy with cloud cover the whole time.

    2. Re:Sunlight by spaceman375 · · Score: 1

      I have a small bathroom lined with dark gray tiles. Adding one small skylight made an AMAZING difference. I actually showered in there for almost three months before I realized I hadn't once turned on the light.

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    3. Re:Sunlight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's warm light (infra-red, heat) against the cold blue of a fluorescent tube. Even incadescent bulbs make a difference. My old apartment had 40 watt bulbs. Every room was dim and dingy like a 1980's New York cop series. Replaced them with 100 watt bulbs, and every room was as bright as a Summer day. I could just work and work without getting tired.

      My favourite architectural features are skylights, conservatories and plate glass windows and a top floor apartment. It's absolute wonderful to have a full 360x180 degree view of the sky.

  19. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    a city run by Democrats

    But you can't get a building permit.

    No shit, cities are already built, you can't just build more. You need to talk to the city and work out your plans with them. Your building has to fit into their plans for traffic, pedestrians, water, sewer, electricity, parking, etc. In the big city you have to work with your neighbors, not ignore them.

  20. You Don't Say? by bistromath007 · · Score: 1

    "We shape our buildings and afterwards our buildings shape us," says the brilliant leader whose nation was immediately thereafter infested with brutalist architecture, ushering in an era of unprecedented globalist collectivism and disregard for civil rights and traditional culture.

  21. That's the entire point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The reason architecture was developed is to align people with a certain way of thinking; to impress authority upon them.

    This could be the oldest news on earth.

  22. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by Ichijo · · Score: 2

    Imagine your favorite street in town didn't exist. Could it be built today if the construction had to follow your local rules?

    In the USA, we are no longer allowed to build nice things like we used to. I love some of the old streets in Europe but we can't build them here due to required street widths, setbacks, floor area ratios, parking requirements, height limits, and so on. We've legislated beauty away, unless your vision of beauty involves a lot of asphalt and empty space.

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  23. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by Ichijo · · Score: 1

    You need to talk to the city and work out your plans with them. Your building has to fit into their plans for traffic, pedestrians, water, sewer, electricity, parking, etc.

    You're describing central planning. We are gradually becoming more and more communist.

    In the big city you have to work with your neighbors, not ignore them.

    If only that were true. You really only need to talk to your neighbors to get zoning variances approved.

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  24. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by war4peace · · Score: 1

    I clicked your link. The guy in the yellow jacket in the image at the middle of the article scares the shit out of me.
    https://static1.squarespace.co...

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  25. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by David_Hart · · Score: 2

    This probably means you'll have to live in a city run by Democrats, but you'll adjust.

    Here is an complete list of states where the biggest city is not run by Democrats:

    1. Oklahoma

    You forgot one... but it's really a district, not a state....

    Washington, DC

    PS: Yes, I know the mayor is a democrat...

  26. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by ckatko · · Score: 1

    Fun fact: All the cities that the highest crime in the nation have also been run by Democrats for decades.

    (p.s. I'm NOT saying vote Republican.)

    Chicago had a 100% gun ban till recently. They still had record levels... of gun crime. So much for the gun control argument. (Kind of funny how liberals hate prohibition of drugs... but forget the same rules apply to guns. Ban guns and people bring them in... from places where guns aren't banned. Stunning.)

  27. Architectural misfits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was in school the architecture students were all morons who liked to play "dress up" and wear weird clothes and hairstyles. I guess they were maladjusted and flocked with others of their kind. They fancied themselves "artistes" "designers" or whatever. Like SNL's ("want to touch my monkey") Dieter, they were hipsters mired in admiration of all that is base and ugly.

    When it came to architectural design, there would be end of semester exhibitions of their models. If you admire gray communist East German souless, linear blocks of assembly line apartment buildings, you would make a perfect architecture student.

  28. Richard Serra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This reminds me of an interview with Richard Serra who was asked ' is Frank Lloyd Wright an artist'? To which he replied 'No, architects are NOT artist'. Check him out.

  29. Wow so not new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The builders of the Pantheon or Notre Dame would be so unsurprised. I hope my tax money did not go to these idiots.

  30. DHHS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a good time to mention america's Department of Health and Human Services.

    The DHHS's headquarters are ironically in this thing:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  31. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, the dude in the yellow jacket is scary. Where is George Zimmerman when you really need him?

  32. If you haven't heard it, its news to you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yet urban architects have often paid scant attention to the potential cognitive effects of their creations on a city's inhabitants. The imperative to design something unique and individual tends to override considerations of how it might shape the behaviours of those who will live with it.

    Bullshit.

    Academic institutions worldwide are engaged in the study of urban design and working with counterparts in public and private sectors to apply what they've learned. This has been going on since forever.

    There are also philosophical schools that have observed these phenomena.

    Its neat that neuroscience is being incorporated, but to suggest that they are breaking new ground or answering questions that nobody else thought to ask is a crock.

  33. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    But please be aware that some of the nicest and most iconic features in our major cities were built decades or centuries ago when the cities weren't completely saturated with Democrat voters.

    Give three examples, please.

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  34. Open Spaces by jader3rd · · Score: 1

    Open spaces feel like glass ceilings. Closed spaces are reserved for people with potential to succeed. So being in an open office space means that you're never going to move up.

  35. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    This probably means you'll have to live in a city run by Democrats, but you'll adjust.

    You must be kidding. Democrats and progressives are in love with futurism, modernism, brutalist architecture, and the dregs of the WPA: grandiose architecture that makes people feel insignificant, lost, and out of place. Democrats and progressives are also in love with urbanization and run pretty much all big cities in the US.

    If you want "to live in a city with beautiful, functional buildings that respect human scale, that has sidewalks and bike lanes and parks and a nice chunk of water with public access" pick a small-to-mid-size, sleepy American town. That's why they are popular. That's also why people there tend to vote Republican.

  36. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by PPH · · Score: 1

    And then you still can't get a building permit.

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  37. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by Smidge204 · · Score: 1

    You're right, Kowloon was truly the optimal urban development.

    =Smidge=

  38. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    If you want "to live in a city with beautiful, functional buildings that respect human scale, that has sidewalks and bike lanes and parks and a nice chunk of water with public access" pick a small-to-mid-size, sleepy American town.

    It sounds like your argument is that if you want to live in a beautiful city, don't live in a city.

    You've never been to Chicago, have you? And do you even know what "brutalist architecture" is, or did you see the word "brutal" in it and assume it was brutal?

    I can believe you vote Republican. I assume you believe the buildings with your current President's name splashed on them are examples of beautiful architecture.

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  39. Ignored for the same reason so much public "art" by PJ6 · · Score: 1

    lands squarely in eyesore territory.

  40. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by Ichijo · · Score: 2

    I'm thinking something more like this. The (un-)design is quite pleasing and yet it breaks so many ordinances in my own city that we would not be allowed to build it.

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  41. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by afgam28 · · Score: 2

    Chicago had a 100% gun ban till recently. They still had record levels... of gun crime. So much for the gun control argument. (Kind of funny how liberals hate prohibition of drugs... but forget the same rules apply to guns. Ban guns and people bring them in... from places where guns aren't banned. Stunning.)

    That's like saying "Arizona has strict immigration laws, yet it has high levels of illegal immigration".

    Immigration, gun control, homelessness, etc. are federal-level issues. But that doesn't mean that local and state governments shouldn't do what they can do to try to fix things as much as they can, when they don't see eye-to-eye with the federal government.

  42. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Stunning, yes. Which is also why your comment about "the gun control argument" is equally silly. Gun control is not a bandage you just slap on an area and go "See! There's going to be less crime!" Gun control only works if EVERYONE is on board with it, both at the federal and state level (see many many many other 1st world countries with gun control at the federal level which works: Japan, Canada, Demark, England, etc.). Chicago expecting less crime due to the ban was silly as it was easy to bring guns in from outside (as stated), but to broaden that example out to a country-wide or a generalized argument against it?

    Bitch, please.

    Also, nice cross spectrum spread on "liberals hate drug prohibition but love gun control". The liberals I hang out with tend to try to follow a Christian mindset and love the sinner and hate the crime. Hence why they tend to view mandatory minimum sentences for questionably small amounts as not helping the fundamental issue of addiction, as until there are sufficient programs in jail to treat and rehabilitate them back into public life, you're condemning them to a second-class life. There's where your liberal equivalency really breaks down, you know. Physical addiction to drugs drives the urge to get more drugs by any means. Are you saying that the need for guns is also an uncontrollable addiction?

  43. Because the goal of architects is to win awards... by complete+loony · · Score: 1

    ... from other architects.

    All other uses of the building are secondary. If architect awards factored in occupant approval, then buildings would be more useful.

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  44. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by Spy+Handler · · Score: 2

    Give three examples, please.

    Um... you do realize Democratic party as we know it only came into existence in the 1850's? Before that it was known as Democratic-Republicans (yeah hard to believe Dems and Rs used to be the same party) but the anti-slavery faction of the party split off from the group with the name "Republican" in the mid 1850's. So anything built before 1850 would not have been made by "Democrats".

    Example would be, i dunno, the White House? The US Capitol building? Rotunda at University of Virginia? Lot of famous buildings that are old.

    Central Park in NYC was built just before the Civil War. I dunno what the political makeup of NYC at that time was, but since NY was a free state I would tend to think they were Republican, they certainly voted for Lincoln.

    Griffith Park in LA was built in the 1890's, most likely not by Democrats since the city didn't turn progressive or Democrat until well into the 20th century. Los Angeles Times for example was a heavily Republican newspaper at the time.

  45. Eastern by raind · · Score: 1

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feng_shui

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  46. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    Um... you do realize Democratic party as we know it only came into existence in the 1850's?

    Actually, it was 1828. And the Democratic Party is the oldest voter-based political party in the world.

    And the Republican Party as we know it didn't come into existence until 1858 (I would say 1960 is more like it), so you don't get to pretend that they had anything to do with the White House, The US Capital Building, or the Rotunda at UofV.

    Central Park in NYC was built just before the Civil War. I dunno what the political makeup of NYC at that time was, but since NY was a free state I would tend to think they were Republican

    And you would be completely wrong. The mayor of New York when Central Park was built was Fernando Wood, a Democrat.

    Griffith Park in LA was built in the 1890's, most likely not by Democrats

    Wrong again. The land for Griffith Park was donated in the 1890s, but the iconic buildings (Greek Theater, Griffith Observatory, etc) were built during the term of Mayor John C. Porter, a Democrat.

    But I'll give you a chance to keep playing: Can you name three iconic, beautiful, human-scale urban buildings that were built by Republicans?

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  47. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    You've never been to Chicago, have you? And do you even know what "brutalist architecture" is

    Ugly raw concrete blocks; a variant of modernism. Explicitly designed not to appeal to human comfort or scale.

    or did you see the word "brutal" in it and assume it was brutal? I can believe you vote Republican. I assume you believe the buildings with your current President's

    Not everybody is as ignorant or bigoted as you. So, the answer to your questions and assumptions is "no, no, and no".

    It sounds like your argument is that if you want to live in a beautiful city, don't live in a city.

    No, I'm merely saying that you should avoid living in a big city (the minimum population for a "city" in the US is 2500); and that experience with big cities pretty much disproves your notion that Democrats produce livable, human-scale, comfortable environments.

  48. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by denzacar · · Score: 2

    Ah yes... a world where we all live in medieval towns turned lake-resorts with no more than 5-6000 inhabitants.
    With all the modern and future technologies and standards of living still available.
    That would be quite pleasing.

    I think that's basically how they live on Star Trek. Speaking of communism and all that...
    All we need is a post-scarcity economy with matter-replicators and warp-capable spaceships.

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  49. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Ugly raw concrete blocks; a variant of modernism. Explicitly designed not to appeal to human comfort or scale.

    If you want to see brutalist architecture in the US, you have to go to Houston. You won't see brutalism in Chicago or any of the civilized cities.

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  50. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Umm... "As we know it"... both parties don't look anything like what they looked pre-Nixon.

    And the obligatory xkcd link.

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  51. look close to home by doom · · Score: 1

    "There are some really good [evidence-based] guidelines out there" on how to design user-friendly buildings, says Ruth Dalton, who studies both architecture and cognitive science at Northumbria University in Newcastle. "A lot of architects choose to ignore them. Why is that?"

    I know, let's ask our friendly javascript programmers and web designers.

  52. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    If you want to see brutalist architecture in the US, you have to go to Houston. You won't see brutalism in Chicago or any of the civilized cities.

    There's even a website: http://chicagobrutalism.com/

    But nowhere did I claim that brutalism was the only architectural sin of progressives.

    Geez, talking to you is like talking to someone with late stage Alzheimers.

  53. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by Ichijo · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't a post-oil world look similar to a pre-oil world?

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  54. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    There's even a website

    There's also a website that says the Earth is 6000 years old.

    http://creation.com/

    The buildings on the site you linked to are all quite beautiful. One is even a Corbusier

    Here's what brutalism looks like:

    http://www.houstonpress.com/ne...

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  55. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by Spy+Handler · · Score: 2

    Republican Party as we know it didn't come into existence until 1858 (I would say 1960 is more like it), so you don't get to pretend that they had anything to do with the White House, The US Capital Building, or the Rotunda at UofV.

    You have a serious misunderstanding there bro. I never said White House, etc. were built by Republicans, I simply said they were not built by Democrats because the Democratic Party didn't exist back then.

    You are parsing text that reads "not Democrat" and automatically substituting it with "Republican".

    Let me summarize this thread for you, in clear words so you don't get confused:

    THREAD STARTER: Nice buildings are only built in Democrat-run cities.

    ME: Like Detroit? No, many nice things were built before Democrats even existed.

    YOU: Name three.

    ME: Anything built before 1850's, that's when the "Democratic-Republican" party broke up into two and became "Democrats" and another one called "Republicans". Such as white house, capitol, etc.

    YOU: Republicans didn't build the white house!

  56. Re:Beauty is good. Function is good. by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    The buildings on the site you linked to are all quite beautiful. One is even a Corbusier

    Whether you consider them "beautiful" is irrelevant; they are examples of brutalist architecture. You obviously like "brutalist architecture", which was my point to begin with: people like you like buildings like that. People like you also tend to like futurism, modernism, and the crap that the WPA created, and which you also find all over big cities in the US. What those buildings tend not to be are buildings at a "human scale".

    Generally speaking, your suggestion that you can pick a livable city based on political parties in power is just utterly stupid.

    There's also a website that says the Earth is 6000 years old.

    I didn't know! But the fact that you do explains a lot! It's obviously where you learned how to reason and use empirical data!

  57. Bad door design everywhere by MrL0G1C · · Score: 2

    This pigs me off every day.

    So many businesses have at the entrance:
    A set of two doors symmetrical left and right and forwards/backwards, both have pull handles either side, one of the two doors will invariably be locked (Why?) and the other has a 50/50 chance that you can't actually pull the door, you can only push it or the opposite, you can push it but not pull it. FML.
    So you end up needing both hands and the quickest method is to pull one door whilst pushing the other door and if that doesn't work then you reverse what each hand just did.

    Fucking shiity design everywhere because some lazy idiot architect can't pick a functional fucking door and because some idiot manager hasn't told the lazy staff that they should be unlocking both doors not just one.

    Irony: the architects offices having these same bad doors.

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    1. Re:Bad door design everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you haven't seen it check out Don Norman's book, "The Design of Everyday Things". He talks quite a bit about bad door design. Do a google search for "norman doors".