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Real Estate Firm Identifies America's 'Top 25 Tech Cities' (cushmanwakefield.com)

Cushman & Wakefield, one of the world's largest real estate firms, launched a new report identifying America's top tech cities. An anonymous reader quotes their report: Washington, DC has emerged as the promising tech city center after San Jose (Silicon Valley) and San Francisco... A dominating hub for life sciences and government, Washington, DC also serves as a significant outpost for tech companies seeking proximity to policymakers as well as for burgeoning cyber-security investment. The top 25 tech cities were determined by analyzing the concentration of factors such as talent, capital, and growth opportunity -- the key ingredients that comprise a tech stew. The heartiest of these tech epicenters are: 1. San Jose, CA (Silicon Valley); 2. San Francisco, CA; 3. Washington, DC; 4. Boston/Cambridge, MA; and 5. Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill, NC...

Report co-author and Regional Director, Northwest U.S. Research at Cushman & Wakefield, in San Francisco, Robert Sammons, said that while it was not surprising to see San Jose (Silicon Valley) and San Francisco continue to dominate, that mass-transit issues and escalating housing costs in those areas have fanned a tech spillover into secondary markets such as Austin (no. 7), Denver (no. 8), San Diego (no. 9), and Salt Lake City (no. 24)... Mr. Sammons cited cost-of-living in Seattle (no. 6) as a lingering issue, somewhat mitigated by a recent uptick in residential development that's outpacing San Francisco's, as well as mass transit challenges.

There's also several cities in the Midwest among the top tech cities, including Madison, Wisconsin (no. 10), Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota (no. 11), Indianapolis, Indiana (no. 23), and Nashville, Tennessee (no. 25).

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  1. 1 2 3 4 5, Yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. San Jose, CA (Silicon Valley); 2. San Francisco, CA; 3. Washington, DC; 4. Boston/Cambridge, MA; and 5. Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill, NC...

    Obvious man is obvious.

    1. Re:1 2 3 4 5, Yup by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 4, Informative

      1 San Jose, CA(Silicon Valley)
      2 San Francisco / San Mateo, CA
      3 Washington, DC Region
      4 Boston / Cambridge, MA
      5 Raleigh / Durham /Chapel Hill, NC
      6 Seattle, WA
      7 Austin, TX
      8 Denver / Boulder, CO
      9 San Diego, CA
      10 Madison, WI
      11 Minneapolis / St. Paul, MN
      12 Baltimore, MD
      13 Oakland / East Bay, CA
      14 Portland, OR
      15 New York City, NY
      16 Chicago, IL
      17 Atlanta, GA
      18 Los Angeles, CA
      19 Columbus, OH
      20 Orange County, CA
      21 Dallas / Ft. Worth, TX
      22 Kansas City, MO
      23 Indianapolis, IN
      24 Salt Lake City, UT
      25 Nashville, TN

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    2. Re: 1 2 3 4 5, Yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All those cities, even some in flyover states, and the best places to live are #1&#2 in California

    3. Re: 1 2 3 4 5, Yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being in the list of top tech cities does not equate to "best places to live". San Jose and San Francisco are definitely not on my list of "best places".

    4. Re: 1 2 3 4 5, Yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      traffic sucks. Average RENT is over 3K $USD per month. Covfefe!

  2. Midwest is best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After figuring in cost of living, midwest is best.

    It possible to find a house 4 BR 2 Bath home for about 1-2 K per month with 30 year mortgage. Try doing that in CA.

    1. Re:Midwest is best by geoskd · · Score: 1

      It possible to find a house 4 BR 2 Bath home for about 1-2 K per month with 30 year mortgage. Try doing that in CA.

      Here in upstate NY, we can get 2000sqft for about $1k per month, and a decent programmer will not have to look hard to find work.

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    2. Re: Midwest is best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a mortgage in upstate for a bit less than $1k and 2100sq ft. It's in a rural area, though. I know most people are looking for cities, but if you don't have to be in a city, look elsewhere.

      Nothing against cities, I just don't like living in them. I prefer having land and open spaces.

    3. Re: Midwest is best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cities. For people that don't understand life or how to enjoy it.

    4. Re:Midwest is best by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      Sure, but then, it's possible to find 4BR/2Bath homes for ~2.8k a month near Silicon Valley (say, Scott's Valley, Freemont, Dublin, Morgan Hill), and you'll get paid about 3k more a month than in the mid west.

      The thing that matters when you do your sums is your total cash left at the end of the month, not how much rent/mortgage costs.

    5. Re:Midwest is best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Upstater here also, while it's very affordable up here and tech work can be found, it's not exactly the hotbed of innovation and creative work, in spite of Albany running ads to the contrary all the time. If you don't care what you do for a living then it'll probably work out, but if you like a good job and working with talented people, you'll be tested.

    6. Re:Midwest is best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's not exactly the hotbed of innovation and creative work, .

      oh come on the Hobby Lobby in Queensbury is a serious hotbed of innovation, you never saw so many bird feeders

    7. Re:Midwest is best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Four bed, four bath, 2650 square feet, around $2000 per month for a mortgage. Just need to look outside the expensive LA and Bay areas. Ventura is really nice, quiet, low crime, great weather - and really convenient for working in the Valley, Santa Monica, anywhere in Ventura or Santa Barbara counties.

    8. Re:Midwest is best by michael_cain · · Score: 1

      But then I'd have to live in upstate NY. After moving to the Denver area 30 years ago, I discovered that I was born to live in a high-altitude semi-arid climate. If you're going to live in a place that has all four seasons, Denver-Boulder has about as mild a version of them as is possible.

    9. Re: Midwest is best by kaiser423 · · Score: 2

      Albuquerque, NM meets that bill too. High altitude, semi arid and mild versions of all 4 seasons. Los Alamos National Labs, Sandia National Labs, Air Force Research Labs, Honeywell, Raytheon, Facebook and other major tech companies. Somewhat surprised it didn't make the list. Not a start up hot spot, but lots of non-IT engineering tech work happening there (and some pretty major super computer work).

    10. Re:Midwest is best by ZenShadow · · Score: 1

      You have a very strange definition of "convenient."

      Want to work in Westlake? Yeah, okay, I might buy that. Not to the Valley or beyond though. Hell, just driving from the Valley to Santa Monica sucked balls, and that commute is around an hour shorter than Ventura to Santa Monica.

      There's a reason I left, and it wasn't just the cost of housing...

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    11. Re:Midwest is best by AVryhof · · Score: 1

      I wish we had more tech jobs around here. I'm always getting offers around my area (Syracuse) and housing is very affordable... but the pay isn't exactly great. On the other hand, I can afford to live here. There is also lots to do, I have the Adirondacks just a few hours North East, Finger lakes about an hour South West, hundreds of other parks and natural areas within that radius. All four seasons, so I get to hike, bike, sled, look at foliage, etc. The only thing that isn't really conveniently located is the Ocean.... but I'm OK with that. Can't have it all.

    12. Re:Midwest is best by ranton · · Score: 1

      Sure, but then, it's possible to find 4BR/2Bath homes for ~2.8k a month near Silicon Valley (say, Scott's Valley, Freemont, Dublin, Morgan Hill), and you'll get paid about 3k more a month than in the mid west.

      The thing that matters when you do your sums is your total cash left at the end of the month, not how much rent/mortgage costs.

      But in the Midwest if you are willing to live an hour outside of the major metropolitan areas you get an extra 1500 sq ft on your home for the same price, plus a nice yard. I'm not saying that automatically makes it better, but it's disingenuous to say you can get the same benefits of Midwest life near the Valley. It just matters what is important to you.

      Then again the OP you replied to outright said the Midwest is best, which is a far more ridiculous claim.

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    13. Re:Midwest is best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but you'll be intellectually isolated. You can do remote work but if you're interested in really being good at what you do, you will need to meet peers IRL (Slack, etc. are only good up to a point -- trust me, online learning is cerebral, but you need real life interactions to understand the experiential and the nuances of practical execution of a technology stack).

      I lived in Buffalo NY for 4 years, and the tech scene in most of Western NY was very poor. I couldn't find anyone doing Spark work, nor were there any Kafka or Cassandra talent. It was a .NET town and folks were generally not among the cream of the crop (the good ones have left for larger cities). I have myself moved to a bigger city, and found the difference staggering - it is a breath of fresh air to be able to interact with people at the same level and wavelength.

      I discovered that being a developer (as with many knowledge professions today) is as much a social experience as it is a vocational one. Without highly competent peers to learn from, on can never be anywhere near what is considered good in industry.

    14. Re:Midwest is best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That $1k per month sounds nice, but you're either faced with a 2 hour commute or you're not making enough for that to be as attractive as it should be. Salaries are usually commensurate with cost of living; one of the reasons small shops in the middle of nowhere can compete with larger, time-proven firms is because labor is so cheap.

  3. San Francisco! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't that where they poop all over the sidewalks?

    1. Re:San Francisco! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Just newly minted billionaires showing their contempt for everyone else. Nothing to see here. Move along.

    2. Re:San Francisco! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're also #1 for gay sex in public.

    3. Re:San Francisco! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He wrote a short story on amazon about pooping on the sidewalk, the one reviewer gave it 2 stars.

      He wrote on slashdot that the problem was that $1 ebooks just aren't popular anymore.

      The reviewer said they were expecting a story, but it was only a short transcript of a vague memory.

    4. Re:San Francisco! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure Christ had something to say about judging others, too. Something about a mote and a beam, right? Where's the Christ-like behavior, creimer?

      Look at the Apostles who followed Christ. What did they do most of the time? Argue.

    5. Re:San Francisco! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus didn't have any apostles. The new testament was a collection of witness statements about some crazy unwashed beggar who yelled at fig trees. The witnesses were trying to get the crazy guy to shut up and Judas was the only one brave enough to have him killed.

    6. Re:San Francisco! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are no apostle. You're a thistle in Slashdot's collective underwear.

    7. Re:San Francisco! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Creimer is Christ and Slashdot is crucifying Him.

    8. Re:San Francisco! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      He wrote a short story on amazon about pooping on the sidewalk, the one reviewer gave it 2 stars.

      That was The Cabbage Patch Doll Fight: A Christmas Shopping Tale, about the Cabbage Patch doll in the early 1980's. Overall rating for that ebook is 3.5 stars.

      He wrote on slashdot that the problem was that $1 ebooks just aren't popular anymore.

      The problem is 1) people are unwilling to pay $1 for 1,000+ words, 2) a $1 dollar ebook can only be discounted to FREE, and 3) I'm no longer a big fan of FREE. My solution is to commission new artwork, consolidate my titles into fewer ebooks (2,500+ words), and raise the price to $1.99.

      Kristine Kathryn Rusch has a long article on how the business change over the last 50 years and why indie authors need to develop their own personal brand.

      http://kriswrites.com/2017/06/07/business-musings-brand-image-brandingdiscoverability/

      The reviewer said they were expecting a story, but it was only a short transcript of a vague memory.

      You would think that the price and the word count in the description would give hint that this ebook wasn't a magnum opus. It's easy to write a critical review when it doesn't cost you any money.

    9. Re:San Francisco! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... every asshat will seek redemption through the fat retarded kid on the short bus ...

    10. Re: San Francisco! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you keep bullying an underpaid, austitic fat guy? What the hell is wrong with you?

    11. Re: San Francisco! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for standing up for me, posting as AC so this avoids my post logger.

    12. Re: San Francisco! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No problem man. You keep on keeping on!

    13. Re: San Francisco! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's asking for it by being a woe is me pompous windbag. Every chance he gets he tries to tell everyone that he's so downtrodden and beat up on, yet takes zero initative to do anything about his shitty career choices and lack of decent pay.

      Oh and that he's a "senior admin" when the only thing senior about him is his age.

      In short, the sympathy boat has long ago sailed away.

  4. "Spillover into secondary markets" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Denver's real estate prices rose 36% last year. Thanks, tech industry, now no one can afford to live here too!

    1. Re: "Spillover into secondary markets" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, californians have been fucking up Colorado for the last 30 years, now it's just as bad as cali but with worse winters. Now they're busy making Texas a hell hole as well.

  5. Symptom of a disease by mattwarden · · Score: 1

    The growth of D.C. is a symptom of the disease of big and growing federal government and growing centralization of power. This is growing lobbying, growing kickbacks, growing corruption, growing waste. D.C. should be near the bottom of the list in private sector wages, GDP, property values, etc.

    1. Re:Symptom of a disease by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I live just outside of D.C., it's an odd place. You are either rich or dirt poor. 47% of D.C. residents are below the poverty line and you can end up in some really bad neighborhoods very quickly if you make a wrong turn.

    2. Re:Symptom of a disease by schwit1 · · Score: 1
      I think Trump should move many federal jobs out of the DC area to spread the wealth and for continuity of government.

      As for jobs, DC finds it hard to attract businesses because of its high taxes and regulations. Maryland is not much better. Virginia is more accommodating to business and it show in the Tysons Corner area and out the Dulles corridor.

    3. Re:Symptom of a disease by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Build a Wall for Jobs along the Border.

    4. Re:Symptom of a disease by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nuke DC! That will solve a huge number of problems at a stroke.

      Ok FBI/NSA/CIA/GCHQ/FSB/etc I am joking but honestly the place is a dung heap of humaity. I'd rather live and work in Kolkata or Novasibirsk or even Petraplovosk than DC.

    5. Re:Symptom of a disease by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Trump should move many federal jobs out of the DC area to spread the wealth and for continuity of government.

      As for jobs, DC finds it hard to attract businesses because of its high taxes and regulations. Maryland is not much better. Virginia is more accommodating to business and it show in the Tysons Corner area and out the Dulles corridor.

      Moving federal jobs outside of DC to spread the wealth is not quite correct. The federal governments job is to 1) Protect the people. 2) Provide services useful to the people that are not better provided by private businesses. 3) Be unbiased in all of the above. 4) Provide such laws as required to protect the rights of people.

      Basically if it makes sense on paper to move the jobs, either for financial or national security reasons then move them. If not, then not, but never just to spread the wealth.

      One thing this post reminds me of is laws originate to protect the (natural) rights of men (and women). You are supposed to be able to pull yourself up by your boot straps and all that. Laws that exist that only protect government or the system are something we must watch with great care. If they are indirectly required to ultimately protect the natural rights of men and women then fine. If they are not, then they need to go. In our constitution we have an absolute right to privacy by default, yet in daily life so much about us is fair game. Is that right? I don't think so.

      In a similar vein freedom of speech is paramount, but it is the freedom of men and women of America to speak, not the freedom of money and power regardless of their ultimate source. I'm not convinced that someone born to money has more of a right to be heard that a mother of three just scraping by on three jobs, but we promote the former and often call the later a taker, whether or not it is true.

      As far as the top 25 cities or what have you go, I'm increasingly of the opinion that the bar needs to be higher to move money from where it is generated to where it is used. Some states have lower taxes than others and end up getting subsidies from the government. Perhaps the states should do more, or perhaps we need to level the playing field somehow. All these companies playing games where one state is played against the next for tax breaks need to stop. You tend to get wealthy areas with an inbuilt advantage for growth because of infrastructure and tax deals they offer. Of course you can't just have high taxes everywhere either, but trying to equalize taxes somewhat throughout the united states would probably, in the long term encourage growth in non traditional areas.

    6. Re:Symptom of a disease by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The federal government isn't 'fixed' until DC area real estate prices have crashed!

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    7. Re:Symptom of a disease by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      As for jobs, DC finds it hard to attract businesses because of its high taxes and regulations.

      I thought it was housing prices and the square mileage of ghettos and crime. No?

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    8. Re:Symptom of a disease by rfengr · · Score: 1

      The Dulles corridor is turning into a 3rd world dump. Went back recently and witnessed burkas in Loudon county. WTF.

    9. Re: Symptom of a disease by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It beats the rednecks who lived here 20 years ago.

      Loudoun County today reminds me of the Silicon Valley of the 80's where I grew up, only with A LOT fewer poor people than the Bay Area. Multicultural in many forms, highly educated population beyond the tech sector, good schools (unlike CA), highest average wages in the country, and tons of tech jobs (not all government). Housing is expensive compared to many places, but you still get twice as much square footage for half the price of the Bay Area. They even leave the nets on the goals and the hoops here.

    10. Re:Symptom of a disease by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really profoundly misunderstand the limits of the President's power.

    11. Re:Symptom of a disease by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's more so local DC taxes that drive a lot of businesses away. Real estate is cheaper for businesses in Northern Virginia and the Virginia and local governments are all about giving out tax incentives.

      As far as "square miles of ghettos and crime" go, I don't think you realize how much DC has been gentrified in the past 20 years. Crime rates in the District are vastly lower compared to the early 90s during the crack epidemic. The ghettos are getting pushed into Prince Georges County, Maryland. I remember when I moved to DC in 1997 seeing open drug markets at 14th and U Street NW. Now its a pretty safe and trendy neighborhood in that area.

      Perhaps you need revise your stereotypes about DC. DC isn't the same city it was 25 years ago at all.

    12. Re:Symptom of a disease by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh noes a woman in a Burka! What ever shall you do?!? I mean really how the fuck does the clothing that a woman wears have ANYTHING to do with you. Why the fuck do you care? Or is she supposed to have her tits out and on full display for your benefit? To be honest I can understand why a lot of women CHOOSE to wear a burka, sure avoids a lot of unwanted male attention.

      I'd rather live in an area with women wearing burkas than one where you've got fucktard rednecks with confederate flags on the back of their piece of shit pickup truck that is only useful for "rolling coal" and generally being racists pieces of shit.

  6. Wat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Compare job listings in Seattle (6) and Austin (7). There's about an order of magnitude difference in Seattle's favor.

  7. Wonder where... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... Vancouver and Toronto (both expensive) or Montreal (or even Ottawa) would fit on this list. Granted, no US real estate company can or will include them in their surveys but I would think many people might find them more interesting than, say, Indy or KC.

    1. Re: Wonder where... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Have you ever lived in Canada? I'd live just about anywhere in the United States first. Spent a horrible 2 years up north. Don't even think about it

    2. Re: Wonder where... by RotateLeftByte · · Score: 1

      At least in Canada, Trump isn't the head of government. Think on the brightside.

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    3. Re: Wonder where... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, lived all over the US and Canada, why? What was your beef with Canada? There are similar cultures in Canada and in the US, although I'll grant you it can be colder. But not necessarily colder than the Mountain West.

    4. Re: Wonder where... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, but they have regressive laws such as compelled speech.

  8. study is inaccurate. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the city with the largest battery factory in the world, the largest data center in the world is not even on there?

  9. wrong technology . . . by swell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There seems to be some confusion about what the word 'tech' means. We've long ago reduced machinery to a lesser category, however new and clever it might be. For some reason tech is now synonymous with digital electronics and sometimes the software that makes it function, even though there is almost nothing new in these areas in recent decades. Faster, smaller, yadda...

    It might be worthwhile to remember that biotechnology has discovered and engineered much that is new in recent decades. Knowledge in this field is increasing at a far greater rate than any other 'tech' area. Not only that but, while electronic gadgets are fun, biotech is far more likely to save your life. Let's have some respect for the work of others.

    The hotbeds of innovation are then San Diego and Boston and a few others around the globe (the US doesn't have a monopoly on *this* tech).

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    1. Re:wrong technology . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tech means capitalization of social media marketing, and it has absolutely nothing to do with electronics or software. Please try to keep up.

    2. Re:wrong technology . . . by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      One of the most popular technology teachers on youtube sticks to mechanical technology.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      I'd really like to see the top 25 real estate cities for this stuff. Obviously not San Jose. SF, maybe; it wouldn't be the oddest thing in Golden Gate Park.

    3. Re:wrong technology . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      swell has a valid point. I know one "Genetic Engineer" who still keeps offices in SF and lectures at SFSU. But she moved her Labwork to Switzerland during Bush II, where they aren't so batshit crazy about Stem Cells having Souls.
      Texas is an interesting case, because Johnson was so intent on making his State the center of Aerospace research. It didn't work out that way. The SSC disaster sealed it; very few Physicists consider Texas as a serious place to pursue a career any longer, although TAMU and TI still attracts some. (Our little Lab on the West Coast attracted quite a few Texas Refugees.)
      NYC is sort of sad. It was _the_ Tech City right up to the Sixties. CBS, RCA, AT&T, Westinghouse, Con-Ed and GE and all the other Edison spinoffs, all had their Headquarters and Laboratories there, as well as a fair amount of Manufacturing. There were two other significant factors- Columbia University and "Radio Row". Then they had writers like Asimov who was fond of it, and the kids who haunted Radio Row read his books, and if they couldn't get into Columbia, there was always CUNY.
      It was a conscious decision to raze Radio Row in order to put up the World Trade Center, and force Tech out of the City in order to encourage the "Financial Sector".
      But as far as Tech goes, NYC still has the best Pizza.

      Biotechnology is still heavily dependent on developments in related fields, and not all Electronics involve pushing ones and zeroes around. Materials And Surface Science is pretty much all Analog, and the cutting edge stuff here is being done at the Synchrotron Radiation Sources. The National Synchrotron Light Source II is ~50 miles from NYC; another at Cornell is ~150 miles away. Texas has none, although curiously enough, Louisiana does have a Light Source. Hell, even Jordan has one, just being commissioned, called SESAME.
      There are Three Light Sources in the SF Bay Area, with two more planned. IBM has a beamline, next to the one that I worked on a decade back, and one over from that was the Intel Beamline. X-Ray Lithography and Nanomaterials. Then further over came the Protein Crystallography Beamlines.

      Now as far as saving life goes, three decades back I was working at the Bevalac, where they pioneered Bragg Peak Radiotherapy. The clinical treatment Centers at Loma Linda, Chiba, Prague, Riyadh and elsewhere were all based on the Research done at Berkeley. Unless you ever have a need to know about it, you have probably have never even heard of a Bragg Peak. But other than the Computers used for Control, the Electronics are all Analog.

    4. Re:wrong technology . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seattle also has a biotech presence as well

  10. Washington DC - alternative explanation by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Given all the spying the three-letter agencies do, both on Americans and on foreigners - there's a huge demand for contract work.

    After all, the government doesn't want to pay benefits...

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    1. Re: Washington DC - alternative explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the contract jobs in the area aren't in DC, they are in NOVA and Maryland.

    2. Re:Washington DC - alternative explanation by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2

      Given all the spying the three-letter agencies do, both on Americans and on foreigners - there's a huge demand for contract work.

      I'll say, if they are hiring and giving clearances to boneheads like Reality Winner...

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    3. Re:Washington DC - alternative explanation by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      After all, the government doesn't want to pay benefits...

      I get 5 paid weeks of vacation a year, a 401k that matches up to 11%, and excellent healthcare (I have Premera Blue Cross that costs me very little). As well, there is a pension, not huge, but there.

      True, I could make more $ on the "outside", but my job is not going away, I will never be laid off.

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    4. Re:Washington DC - alternative explanation by jon3k · · Score: 1

      I've always considered taking a gov job when I get a little older. Take a huge paycut but do 90% less work and have unparalleled job security. Seems like a nice way to slide into retirement.

    5. Re:Washington DC - alternative explanation by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      Take a huge paycut but do 90% less work and have unparalleled job security.

      Well, the joke will be on you. In my field, which is technical, my hours and the nature of my job parallel the civilian world. But please continue to perpetuate stereotypes, keeps my job ever more secure.

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    6. Re:Washington DC - alternative explanation by jon3k · · Score: 1

      I have lots of friends who work gov jobs. I know for a fact that they're overstaffed, over-funded and get paid overtime in salaried positions. It's a stereotype for a reason. If you work a gov job and you work as hard as people do on the private side then you're probably doing something wrong.

    7. Re:Washington DC - alternative explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a LOT of non government tech work in the DC area. The Dulles Toll Road corridor is full of various commerical tech companies. Hell 70% of all internet traffic goes through Northern Virginia.
      70% of the internet's traffic flows through Loudoun Co, VA

      Equinix and Verizon have several large datacenters in the area. Amazon does as well. People seem to forget that Northern VA was home to MAE-East, one of the earliest internet peering exchanges. Verisign's headquarters are out here as well.

      I fucking hate the DMV region but the job market for IT workers is one of the best in the US outside of California. I've never been without work for longer than 2 months in 20 years in the area.

      The beltway bandits are really a small part of the local economy, but at the same time the government largess does make the region recession proof to a great extent. Even if you aren't a government contractor, those positions open up a lot more headcount in private commerce.

    8. Re:Washington DC - alternative explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She got her clearance due to her time in the US Air Force. That's usually how most people get their clearances in the DC area, military service. Not sure if this is a good thing or not.

  11. Lack of decent Internet access in most Seattle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    pretty much kills Seattle as a place to live if you can't afford to live in one of the few buildings where Wave has gigabit service. My street is limited to 1.5 Mbps DSL, and Comcast has said for years that they're going to provide service, but still haven't. Sucks trying to work from home using remote desktop.

  12. Re:Lack of decent Internet access in most Seattle. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cool story troll.

    I use remote desktop at 128kbps tethered to my phone, so yeah. You lying.

  13. Re: Lack of decent Internet access in most Seattle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Netflix works great over these speeds. You maybe an exception but I think 99 percent of people need FAR less bandwidth than they realize.

  14. Re: Lack of decent Internet access in most Seattle by geoskd · · Score: 2

    Netflix works great over these speeds. You maybe an exception but I think 99 percent of people need FAR less bandwidth than they realize.

    Of course, the corollary to that is that 99% of people use far more bandwidth than they realize.

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  15. Canonsburg PA not in that list? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    Canonsburg PA is the World Capital for Finite Element Method. It is not in that list? Sad! Just this week Finite Element Method got inducted into S&P500. All those nerds mumbling "kappa mu nu Mesh nu del cross Mesh Galerkin epsilon Mesh Green's curl Mesh divergence Hermitian k-epsilon" are having a ball there. IIT to F1 to PhD to H1B to Green Card to Citizen to CEO of S&P500... He is the last one now. He won't be the last one for long.

    This was the quality of H1B before Cognescent and TCS and Infosys crashed the party and brought in imbeciles from Mohammad Badsha College of Engineering, Boondocks district, Middle of Nowhere, India...

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  16. SJ=OldTech; SF=New hotness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    SJ is aging former tech hipsters who are now rotting in suburbia doing things like hardware appliances for storage and being generally conservative and tech-laggards, while the current generation of kool kids on the cutting edge of software are all in SF. Go to any tech meetup in SF vs SJ and you'll see the difference.

    Thats what one would expect a real estate firm's ranking list - to them, Old Tech == New Tech == Tech.
    It's like asking your cat to rate greek islands.

    1. Re:SJ=OldTech; SF=New hotness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, my cat picked my last vacation spot! Yugoslavia was great!

    2. Re:SJ=OldTech; SF=New hotness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry for your not having gone on vacation for 25+ years

    3. Re: SJ=OldTech; SF=New hotness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you seen the Adriatic coast of Croatia (former Yugoslavia)? I wish I could vacation in that part of the Mediterranean! Off the charts beautiful.

  17. Re:Lack of decent Internet access in most Seattle. by PPH · · Score: 3, Informative

    Having high bandwidth/low latency is more a requirement of MMORPG players than high tech. I've used X11 over DSL. It works. It works just fine on 10 Mbps network connections. Perhaps the desktop you are using just doesn't work well over networks.

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  18. Why is this on slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this news for nerds, stuff that matters?

    (This post is sarcastic, intended to mock people who keep posting this stupidity in earnest).

  19. Here's the deal with Seattle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A lot of people commute from outside of "Seattle" and even King County.

    Cost of living (houses) is a non issue if you're prepared to pick something along the Sounder south line stations. The issue is people *want* to live in some trendy Seattle neighborhood.

    Meanwhile I'm a 1hr commute via short bus ride and then rail to work, bought a 1800sqft house on a 1/3 acre lot just around the corner from a commercial area (dont have to go far for anything) in the low low 200k range 3 years ago.

    Most people think Seattle ends at Renton, very few look at the commuter rail, how quick it is and how far it gets you, they see Kent, Auburn, Sumner and Puyallup as not cool "too far away" places to live. Puyallup/South Hill is a ton better than most places around Seattle in general to live unless you've got 600k and up to spend.

    1. Re:Here's the deal with Seattle by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Meanwhile I'm a 1hr commute via short bus ride

      Is that a short (bus ride) or a (short bus) ride?

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  20. Have to call bullsh*t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cross reference this real estate firm's interest with the list and then you are not surprised when you can think of a number of cities that should rank above at least ten of this list with uniformly better scores in ALL of the suggested areas. Just a clickbait slashvertisement for this company.

  21. Re:Lack of decent Internet access in most Seattle. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > I've used X11 over DSL. It works. It works just fine on 10 Mbps network connections. Perhaps the desktop you are using just doesn't work well over networks.

    QT is _especially_ bad over "low"-bandwidth links. FLTK, Motif, and even GTK appear to be built with network transparency in mind.

    It breaks my heart to hear people say "X11's network transparency doesn't work over DSL!" when -really-, they're just using some shitty QT program whose GUI thinks all the world runs on the same machine.

  22. I bet they all have one thing in common: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A high proportion of WHITE people. And few non-whites...

  23. Top 25 cities for those not already with work? by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    It's one thing to be in a top list for jobs, but how many of them are friendly towards those that don't already have work?

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  24. Nashville? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nashville, TN is in absolutely no way a midwest city.