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Logitech Reveals Mouse Mat That Is a Giant Wireless Charging Pad (theverge.com)

Logitech has just revealed a new Powerplay technology that builds wireless charging directly into its mouse pad, allowing compatible wireless mice to charge constantly while on the pad. The Verge reports: The wireless charging tech built inside the Powerplay mouse mat is proprietary to Logitech, and the company claims it took more than four years of research and development to make it a reality. I asked Logitech why it didn't go with something more ubiquitous like the Qi standard, and the answer I received was that it wouldn't have been possible to cover the whole surface (275mm x 320mm) of the pad with Qi. Alongside the Logitech G Powerplay, which is to be priced at $99.99 and released in August, Logitech has also announced the first two mice officially compatible with it: the G903 and G703. The G903 is a very modest upgrade from the G900 while the G703 is practically identical to the well liked G403; both of the two new models use the PMW3366 optical sensor and just add improved switches rated to last longer. The G903 will cost $149.99 and the G703 will be $99.99 when they go on sale later this month.

62 comments

  1. All of you get off my lawn by Jeremi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I had a mouse with this same functionality back in 1992, and it cost much less. It even came with a wire to keep it attached to the computer, so it wouldn't get lost.

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    1. Re:All of you get off my lawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't have one that far back, but I did about 5 years ago or so. A super el-cheapo one that I stopped using.

    2. Re:All of you get off my lawn by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 0

      I bought a corded USB mouse, by choice, only a few weeks ago.

      It's much easier to unplug than fiddle with the wireless receiver - which had a nasty habit of waking up my laptop from sleep whenever a button on the mouse was accidentally clicked while in my backpack.

    3. Re: All of you get off my lawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There's a power button under nearly every wireless mouse. You should use that since it would save your mouse battery while your backpack jiggles around.

    4. Re:All of you get off my lawn by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's much easier to unplug than fiddle with the wireless receiver - which had a nasty habit of waking up my laptop from sleep whenever a button on the mouse was accidentally clicked while in my backpack.

      I just switch my mouse to OFF when I do that. Heck, it lets me charge the mouse still in OFF, but buttons won't make up the computer.

      Most wireless mice I've seen had an on/off switch on the bottom.

    5. Re: All of you get off my lawn by dougdonovan · · Score: 1

      if its wireless, why is there a usb cable plugged into it? hence...wire "less".

    6. Re:All of you get off my lawn by Agripa · · Score: 1

      I used wireless mice as soon as they became available up until a couple years ago when I finally gave up on them and went back to corded; wireless mice and keyboards are just too unreliable compared to their wired alternatives.

  2. watch it asplode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fire hazard, cancer hazard... it won't end well...

    1. Re: watch it asplode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The idea of having my wrist surrounded by an induction field sounds very disconcerting. Maybe have it charge only when not in use.

    2. Re: watch it asplode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder how well this will go over with people wearing metal bracelets?

    3. Re: watch it asplode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shockingly

  3. What is the point of a wireless mouse. by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    When you need a wired mousepad.
    I am not a big fan of wireless mice anyways. But the main benefit is it keeps your desk clean of excess wires But if your mousepad needs a wire then what is the point.

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    1. Re:What is the point of a wireless mouse. by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      some systems don't have a place to attach the f'ing wire any more. this is called progress, why have your comm confined when you could be sharing bandwidth and spewing your comm to potential snoopers

    2. Re:What is the point of a wireless mouse. by Rakhar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not having a wire dragging against your mouse movements if it gets caught on something, or just the weight of the cable dragging if you let it hang under the tray.

    3. Re:What is the point of a wireless mouse. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wireless mice are sorta nice in that you don't have to deal with the mouse cord catching on all the other crap on your desk. I have a very messy desk. I have a mix of wired and wireless mice between my laptop and two desktops and I prefer the wired mice. They just work better, they work sooner into the boot process, and they don't run out of power ....

      Yea, I'm going to change the batteries in my mouse once a week instead of paying $200 to get carpel tunnel cancer.

    4. Re:What is the point of a wireless mouse. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Many brand of wireless mice have a USB radio receiver. That will need to use up one of those few available ports. Mostly because they think Bluetooth isn't a good enough protocol so they make their on.

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    5. Re:What is the point of a wireless mouse. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      if you have that sort of problem, you need to rethink your space. five minutes spent, and perhaps an extension cable or cable hanger, and you're set. no need to further help destroy the environment with more toxic batteries. wired mice are far superior, particularly for gaming, even ps2 ones, which are better than wired usb.

    6. Re:What is the point of a wireless mouse. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very messy desk

      If you have enough space to fully move the mouse it shouldn't be hard to keep a small path for the cable.

    7. Re:What is the point of a wireless mouse. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wireless and wired mice have different problems for gaming; wires do get in the way, even with a carefully laid out setup, and if you have a cramped area (very common at tournaments) it becomes worse. Wireless has batteries, weight and arguably more lag, although with modern USB wireless dongles that seems to be much less of an issue.

      When I was a competitive FPS player, I used a wireless mouse that you could also plug in; preferred to use it wirelessly for serious matches and left it plugged in for casual ones. There's a market ranging from a $5 hello kitty micromouse to the $200 "pro gamer" MegaDeth Ultra QX2000 Turbo, I'm sure this will be useful to some people.

      Sidenote: I recently fired up an FPS at an impromptu LAN party after a few years away from the scene; had to borrow the aforementioned $5 hello kitty monstrosity. It was hilariously awful; almost resorted to keyboard aiming...

    8. Re: What is the point of a wireless mouse. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bluetooth is fine.
      But the USB antenna solutions are usually about half price.

    9. Re: What is the point of a wireless mouse. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me introduce to you the mouse bungee.

    10. Re: What is the point of a wireless mouse. by bestweasel · · Score: 1

      I wanted a Bluetooth mouse a few months ago for just that reason but they were much less common than wireless mice which made me think perhaps they were inferior. The main criterion was a quiet mouse so I went wireless.

    11. Re:What is the point of a wireless mouse. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ah yes, I remember I have a PS/2 extension cable and this is very much useful. It's long, too. Although the wire is often submerged by random desk crap.

  4. So how does this help? by o_ferguson · · Score: 1

    I guess it would be nice if my trackball was wireless and I could just put it on a mouse pad to recharge it...

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  5. Hurray! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lets cram batteries in for no reason! Yay. Maybe they should be working on making a wireless accessory that dosnt suck first.

  6. wireless mousepad by kiviQr · · Score: 1

    Let me guess, next step will be wireless mousepad that is installed under the desk and charges both mouse, phone, tablet and a toothbrush:)

  7. This is going to be so awesome on my wedding ring by Khyber · · Score: 1

    Inductive field + metal object. I can feel my hand sweating already.

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  8. Re:This is going to be so awesome on my wedding ri by sl3xd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No man can serve two masters. You're either committed to your marriage, or your mouse.

    If you try to do both, expect to be burned.

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  9. Wacom tablets anyone? by janoc · · Score: 1

    Hmm, they could have used inductive sensing/power as Wacom does since eons ago and completely eliminated the need for a battery or even a separate radio in that mouse (the Wacom ones communicate using the same signal that keeps them powered). The mouse would have been lighter too - some Logitech wireless mice are literally bricks with significant momentum due to their weight, making them very tiresome to use over longer periods.

    Of course, you can't use the Wacom mouse outside of the tablet surface but I guess that is a moot point here - the Logitech charging pad is meant to be the mousepad too.

    Right now Logitech has managed to replace one annoyance (running out of battery) in a wireless mouse with an even larger one - proprietary charger that takes up a ton of space on your desk. Oh and it costs $150 - for a mouse!

    1. Re:Wacom tablets anyone? by itomato · · Score: 1

      My Wacom has a mouse. It still feels like a Wacom, though - it's just a mouse-shaped Pen. The majority of sensing is under the tablet surface. This would be a regular mouse, with the sensors in your hand.

    2. Re:Wacom tablets anyone? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      exactly what I was thinking.

      you need that mouse pad now with you.. so.. uh.. what the frig. why not have all the sensing in the pad as well and you could have a super light(or super heavy if you choose) mouse.

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    3. Re:Wacom tablets anyone? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I have a Wacom mouse around here someplace, it came with one of their earlier cheap tablets. There are two problems with it. The first is surprising, they made it too light. Wacom is usually pretty good about getting the mass right, for example of the airbrush tool. That could have been lighter, but they gave it some heft. The other problem is that obviously as soon as you go off the pad it fails. Modern mice don't do that unless your desk is transparent. Hmm, I just thought of a third problem. It doesn't work with a lot of Wacom tablets. Only some of the cheap ones, and with the expensive USB ones (not with serial tablets.)

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    4. Re:Wacom tablets anyone? by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      You have been able to get puck's for Wacom tablets since forever. Basically a mouse, usually with a bit of plastic and a lens sticking out the top to aid digitizing.

      That said tablets are absolute positioning rather than the relative positioning of mice. However I guess that could be fixed with an updated driver.

    5. Re:Wacom tablets anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > with the expensive USB ones (not with serial tablets.)

      that's not how they work. Usually, you can exchange the tools within the tablet generation, e.g. all "Intuos 2" tools work on all "intuos 2" tablets, no matter the size or connection. The cheap ArtPad and the current Bamboo are apparently excluded from this.

  10. Forgot about the patent? by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

    I wonder if Logitech forgot about the patent on this

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    1. Re:Forgot about the patent? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      How I would love to see Logitech slapped with a nice fat patent lawsuit.

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    2. Re:Forgot about the patent? by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      In this particular case, it's a couple of guys trolling for licensing. I'm not aware of the particulars but it seems these a**wipes haven't been particularly interested in making it worth it for mouse manufacturers to pursue. I wonder if the trolls actually relented or if Logitech just being brazen?

      About a decade ago this would have been a rather useful product for which I've long been frustrated to not see. However, between improvements in battery tech and power efficiency, it's kind of more a novelty anymore.

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    3. Re:Forgot about the patent? by Dragonslicer · · Score: 3, Informative

      I wonder if Logitech forgot about the patent on this

      Why would it matter? That isn't a patent, it's a patent application. The application was rejected in 2005 (because of prior art) and abandoned by the PTO when the lawyers didn't respond for 6 months.

      You can see the complete history by going to USPTO PAIR, searching for application 10/737483, and going to the Image File Wrapper tab.

    4. Re:Forgot about the patent? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "In this particular case, it's a couple of guys trolling for licensing."

      Patent date 2003-2004.

      With actual devices available using said tech from said company.

      No, they're not just trolling.

      Try looking at the companies (including parent company) behind the patent and look at their product portfolio.

      Shit's in use, captain.

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    5. Re:Forgot about the patent? by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      The actual device that they bothered with was a VERY limited release with next to nothing availability.

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    6. Re:Forgot about the patent? by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      It is possible that I quoted the wrong patent however. A little more digging turned up this one. This was quite some time ago. i.e. 15+ years ago. I don't remember Intel being the parent, just that it was a pair of guys, there was a blink and you missed it limited offering by a "never heard of" company.

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    7. Re:Forgot about the patent? by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      I don't remember Intel being involved, but this is probably the more salient one. Being some 15+ years ago I'm probably remembering some of the specifics wrong. I don't recall now whether it was this one or, the former I cited. Perhaps even yet I different one.

      Regardless, as far as I can tell this is still a patented tech.

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    8. Re:Forgot about the patent? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      That's still a great deal more than most other patent-holding companies do.

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  11. Going forward in reverse? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wasn't one of the big selling points of the 2nd-generation optical mice is that you didn't need a mouse pad anymore, you could use it on more or less any surface, even an uneven one? Now they want to sell you an expensive mouse pad? Seems backwards.

    1. Re:Going forward in reverse? by pushing-robot · · Score: 1

      My car can go off-road, but roads are a much nicer surface to drive on.

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    2. Re:Going forward in reverse? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Wasn't one of the big selling points of the 2nd-generation optical mice is that you didn't need a mouse pad anymore, you could use it on more or less any surface, even an uneven one? Now they want to sell you an expensive mouse pad? Seems backwards.

      Yes, and since I went optical, I ditched the mousepad. The neoprene ones suck (and are great dirt magnets, eww), and there aren't ones that are better. I do use a mouse "pad" at home, but that's just a stone slab I got at Home Depot to keep from wearing down the finish on the table, as well as being infinitely easier to clean. Put four rubber feet on the slab and you've got a legacy mousepad that's easy to clean and doesn't wear.

      Some people though swear by precision mousing surfaces like a Ratpadz, which presumably gives you a surface that's more responsive for those games where you move it an inch and you've done a 360.

    3. Re:Going forward in reverse? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      To be fair: The current gen of optical mice have drawbacks; the surface you use them on has to have some features to it, otherwise the motion-sensing algorithm the firmware uses doesn't work, and, ironically, if you used a 1st gen optical mousepad (repeating pattern) with it, it likewise wouldn't work right (too regular!), but it's nice to not have to be constrained by the edges of a mousepad, like back in the days when they had a ball in them.

  12. Also introducing new rubber roads! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Logitech is also pairing up with VW to make stone wheeled cars that will be built to run on rubber roads.

  13. Wtf is wrong with you Slashdot? by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

    11 comments and nothing but complaints and grousing. Where's the apps guy, to accuse you all of being Luddites?

    I've been using a cordless keyboard and mouse since 2001, Logitech's very first model with a USB antenna. They're a marvelous invention. The antenna is a brick as big as the mouse with a four foot cable coming out of it with two separate USB connectors on the end. Still works beautifully, even though it looks like something from the last century. Admittedly it didn't cost $200-$250, even though I bought it when it was a brand new product, so I'm not impressed with the price point of this product, but the concept is immensely appealing. Not having to pop the batteries out of the mouse every few weeks and muck around with the battery charger is just the sort of tiny little convenience my lazy ass desires. (Why do I have sometimes have to rotate the batteries with my thumb after I plug in the charger before the charge light will come on?)

    In the immortal words of Arnold Schwarzenegger, stop whining!

    Instead, let's speculate about why Logitech is lying about their inability to use Qi. The Wireless Power Consortium has published a paper about how to use multiple cooperative flux generators to provide charging over an arbitrarily large surface, while not wasting power energizing coils that aren't underneath a receiver. Considering the size of the receiver puck in the picture of the Logitech product, it's obvious they're using precisely this technique in the mouse pad. Qi could have been used just fine, especially since the part that makes Qi what it is is the communications protocol between the receiver and the transmitter. Qi uses backscatter modulation from the receiver to tell the transmitter to give it power. When there's no receiver present, the Qi transmitter uses only 70 mW. With a receiver present and the protocol negotiated successfully, the transmitter ramps up to the power level requested by the receiver, up to 7.5W in the v1.2 standard.

    I assume Logitech doesn't want to submit to any standards verification and doesn't want people to be able to use their mousepad to charge their Qi-enabled phones because Logitech hates their customers and wants them to die. I invite other opinions...

    1. Re:Wtf is wrong with you Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because this makes no sense.

      A wireless mouse is great, when you want to move it around the room, use it from your couch to TV, etc.

      If you're going to be using it where there is a WIRED mouse pad - then just use a wired mouse, as it is immensely lazier (as you pointed out, we are all lazy) - and you don't have to deal with charging anything, it just works, and it works better.

      So dock your rechargeable wireless mouse for your TV situation, use a wired mouse for your normal desktop situation, this is just cool to be cool.

    2. Re:Wtf is wrong with you Slashdot? by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 2

      you don't have to deal with charging anything, it just works, and it works better

      Maybe once every 12 months I take the rechargeable AA battery out of the mouse and stick it in a battery charger overnight; hardly a major inconvenience.

    3. Re: Wtf is wrong with you Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Way to address one part of the comment. And in doing so refute the entire premise of a charging mousepad.

      And wired performance is still better.

    4. Re:Wtf is wrong with you Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My charger can't charge single batteries, you insensitive clod.

    5. Re:Wtf is wrong with you Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The main hurdle of a wired mouse is the fucking wire as you move the mouse. You feel it hitting stuff, sticking to places, and if you live in a not so large place you really don't have the room to let the cable roam free. In addition, it adds weight to the mouse and subtly influences the amount of effort required to move it in certain directions.

      A wire in the pad does not do this: the mouse is free for you to move, you don't feel or get bogged down by the wire on the mouse, and yet you can benefit from having a permanent power solution. Of course, the latency might be shit...

  14. What the hell is a 'mouse mat'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the hell is a 'mouse mat'?

    Do mice whipe their feet on it???

  15. Cool...but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My wireless mouse and wireless keyboard from Logitech I bought 4+ years ago both still get 12-15 months of battery life on 2 AA batteries and are used heavily. So...I don't really see the point. It'll just end up creating a magnetic field to ruin itself or other nearby electronics. I don't want to be the "ground." I'm good.

  16. And your smartphone explodes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone is going to put a smartphone near this and it will end up exploding (even if its name isn't Galaxy).

  17. Re:This is going to be so awesome on my wedding ri by guises · · Score: 1

    Simple solution: stop being left-handed.

  18. Wacom Tablets with Mice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The linked article as well as the Logitech website don't state if the mouse can operate away from the powered mouse pad at all, and if so, for how long, and for how long it has to be charged. If the mouse is constrained to the pad anyway, instead of charging the mouse, a technology such as in the Wacom tablets may be a better choice, where the pen or mouse only contains passive elements and no power source, and provides absolute positions if requested, instead of only relative movements.

  19. Varying magnetic fields can destroy dividing cells by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    "TTF" (tumor treating fields) are varying electrical fields that disrupt cell reproduction by interfering with gene segregation during mitosis.

    They can be produced, in turn, by varying magnetic fields. This allows treatments to be done with magnetic coils, rather than electrodes.

    While they are used for cancer treatment, they work by killing ALL cells that attempt division while exposed to the fields.

    This is very handy for treating, say, glioblastoma (an aggressive brain tumor), because cells that are NOT trying to divide are apparently unaffected, and non-cancer cell division in the brain is very rare.

    (This might be why epidemiological studies of cellphone use versus brain cancer incidence has indicated a slight REDUCTION in brain cancer risk.)

    In other tissues (like the hand, for instance), I'd expect such fields to be more problematic. If they kill off, say, the stem cells needed for wound repair, there might be substantial damage or eventual destruction of the hand - but nothing would be noticeable for perhaps years.

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  20. Wonderful! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except, the charging is continuous and my mouse has started to grow. It's less of a 'mouse' now and more of a 'capybara'.

    I wouldn't mind except that the capybara is developing an attitude so the capybara tends to bite when I click. Also, my arm is getting really tired!