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Google Hires Key Apple Chip Architect To Build Custom Chips For Pixel Phones (variety.com)

A recent hire at Google indicates big changes are coming for future versions of the Google's Pixel phone. Manu Gulati, an Apple micro-architect who worked on the company's chip development for nearly eight years, has just joined Google. From a report: Gulati started working at Apple in 2009, and was instrumental to the company's efforts to build custom chips for the iPad, the iPhone and Apple TV. Apple began using its own chips in 2010, starting with the introduction of the iPad in 2010, which was powered by the company's A4 chip. To this day, the company uses custom-designed microchips for each of their devices, which make it possible to optimize processors both for performance and energy consumption. In the industry, these integrated chips for mobile devices are also known as SoCs, or "systems on a chip." In contrast, Google relied on a chip designed and manufactured by Qualcomm when it introduced its first Pixel phones last fall. The same chip is being used by a number of other Android phone manufacturers, including HTC, LG, Lenovo and Asus -- all of which goes to say that these phones all offer very similar performance specs. Qualcomm has become the de facto-manufacturer for higher-end Android phone chips, making it harder for the companies to differentiate their devices from one another.

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  1. Re: Nearly 8 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been at 5 places in 10 years of working life. How does one get a decent raise staying in one place if going into management isn't interesting to you? I ask this honestly, not in jest. I would love to work at one place for 40 yrs like my dad but I don't wanna be stuck making 45k at age 60.

  2. Hire some support engineers by nickmalthus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I doubt the mainstream market consumers would want to buy a Pixel phone when it only will be supported up to two years after it's initial launch. Google is taking planned obsolescence to a new level! Buy a premium pixel phone on a two year payment plan and as soon as it is paid off it is obsolete and one will need to start looking to purchase a new one with little hope of reselling their current phone for any meaningful value.

    Google is a fickled company and all of their services and products have short abrupt lifespans.

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    1. Re:Hire some support engineers by Albanach · · Score: 2

      I doubt the mainstream market consumers would want to buy a Pixel phone when it only will be supported up to two years after it's initial launch. [deccanchronicle.com] Google is taking planned obsolescence to a new level! Buy a premium pixel phone on a two year payment plan and as soon as it is paid off it is obsolete and one will need to start looking to purchase a new one with little hope of reselling their current phone for any meaningful value.

      That's a bit misleading when the page you linked to shows the phone is supported for three years. Admittedly, the OS is only guaranteed to be upgraded for two years, but there will be monthly security updates for three.

      As an Android user and Nexus owner for many years, I do agree that the length of support is far behind that offered by Apple in the past (though the recent 64 bit decision reduces their support to four years).

  3. Re: Nearly 8 years by Moheeheeko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This, the only way to get a raise that isn't a cost of living adjustment these days is to hop from company to company.

  4. Re: We should be welcoming commodity smartphones by tgetzoya · · Score: 2

    Yes. You buy an IP license from ARM. This gives you the right to modify and sell ARM-based-architecture products to customers. You can even modify the architecture enough that it is no longer compatible with other ARM based products if you choose. What Google will do here is optimize the software to their very specific hardware making Pixel with Google SoC faster, and more memory efficient, than HTC/Motorola/Samsung with SnapDragon/Exynos.

  5. Google doesn't have the numbers to justify custom by fred6666 · · Score: 2

    Google doesn't have the numbers to justify custom chips. Samsung does. Apple does. Huawei seem to have it. But Google I highly doubt it.

  6. Re:Google doesn't have the numbers to justify cust by Albanach · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Perhaps they want server chips? They already use google designed security chips and ASICs.

  7. Re:ROI ? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 2

    It's been like this for years. Qualcomm chips have 8 cores and run at 2GHz or some ridiculous speeds but for real performance Apple chips beat them any day. Apple has lots of custom silicon and their OS uses it

  8. Re: Nearly 8 years by Streetlight · · Score: 2

    Are your retirement accounts (401ks) vested and transportable with each move? If not, then you'll reach 60 years old with little of no retirement income. It used to be that you needed to work a minimum time (7 years ?) for retirement accounts to be vested; not sure what the situation is now. If the major source of the contribution was from an employer, as in my case, holding short term jobs could be a disaster if you can't keep the whole value of your retirement accounts.

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  9. Re: Google doesn't have the numbers to justify cus by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 2

    Perhaps Google wants to free hardware developed by this guy to the Android hardware base in the same way they free Android. I.e. have him developing flagship hardware that becomes a reference design for all the Android hardware shops eventually. It isn't that far off to recognize a big point of the Nexus product line has always been to act as a reference design. Pixel can be used that way as well. Google benefits from all vendors who roll out Android-based products.

  10. Re: We should be welcoming commodity smartphones by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can even modify the architecture enough that it is no longer compatible with other ARM based products if you choose

    No you can't. ARM will not sell a license that permits you to change the ISA for any price: they saw what happened with fragmentation with the MIPS market and have no desire to commit suicide in the same way. You can add custom interrupt controllers, UARTs and DMA engines, which makes porting an OS a bit harder but is invisible to userspace (and to the compiler). You can also add custom coprocessors, which every SoC vendor does (for example, a lot have face detection as a dedicated logic block: you DMA an image from the camera to the block and then read back a list of rectangles from an I/O register). Apple's chips also have a smaller ARM core that has private memory that is not readable by the main core for storing encryption keys, so that a compromised device can be forced to encrypt or decrypt things for the attacker, but can't leak the keys.

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