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US Weighs Restricting Chinese Investment In Artificial Intelligence (reuters.com)
An anonymous reader shares a Reuters report: The United States appears poised to heighten scrutiny of Chinese investment in Silicon Valley to better shield sensitive technologies seen as vital to U.S. national security, current and former U.S. officials tell Reuters. Of particular concern is China's interest in fields such as artificial intelligence and machine learning, which have increasingly attracted Chinese capital in recent years. The worry is that cutting-edge technologies developed in the United States could be used by China to bolster its military capabilities and perhaps even push it ahead in strategic industries. The U.S. government is now looking to strengthen the role of the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS), the inter-agency committee that reviews foreign acquisitions of U.S. companies on national security grounds. An unreleased Pentagon report, viewed by Reuters, warns that China is skirting U.S. oversight and gaining access to sensitive technology through transactions that currently don't trigger CFIUS review.
It's a shortsighted policy: instead of the Chinese investing money in US research, they'll invest money in Chinese research.
The end result is they'll get the technology they want, and the US won't get the benefits of the research. That's how we ended up with China having manned spaceflight capabilities while the US doesn't, and how we ended up with China having the most powerful supercomputers.
We wouldn't want them to steal our state of the art Ms. Pac Man playing AI. Our Atari 2600 high scores are safe for a while longer thanks to our government!
I think NASA, SpaceX, and Blue Origin would disagree with you.
SpaceX isn't man-rated. BO can't even get to orbit, and NASA doesn't have rockets.
That is not funny.
Chinese strategy since mid-200x: seal new economic opportunities, let the enemy run out of possible moves.
Rare earth metal mining, and all of new industries orbiting it - nuked mid 200x
"Big solar" - went throught "slash and burn" acquisition
Battery tech - again, all worthy companies got sold to Chinese before they had an opportunity to make a dent on Chinese battery monopoly
"New nuclear" - in Chinese pocket since 2015
The entire field of bioinformatics eaten by China before it even had a chance to emerge
This list can go on for few pages
The crypto export bans of the 1990s were also extremely damaging. The main effect, besides turning t-shirts into munitions, was that companies did much of their crypto development outside the USA.
This proposed law would likely have the same effect. AI research would migrate out of America. Politics should be implemented as an LSTM RNN so we can remember failures and avoid repeating them.
I think it would be much more practical for he US to get rid of policies that undermine America's scientific capabilities, such as denial of basic scientific fact.
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AI is a joke anyway, nothing new for decades in that field other than more horsepower available for same old algorithms. nothing much of value lost
So I just wonder who stands to profit from restricting Chinese investments from coming to America? It makes no sense, if somebody wants to invest in you, you don't run away.
Americans are happily *consuming* everything that is produced in China and they are consuming on *credit* that is handed to them by the Chinese. So apparently it is good enough for Americans to *borrow for consumption* but borrowing savings for investment is not OK.
Who stands to benefit from this restriction financially? Well, government officials like to have their palms greased so maybe this is all about good old graft. I mean I really doubt that this is about somebody's ideology, when was the last time a politician in America was elected based on ideology rather than on fear and empty promises? That's what I thought.
So this has to be a demand for a handout, what else can this be beside that? Thoughts?
You can't handle the truth.
A lot more horsepower, deeper network, better algorithms, and better understanding.
You think wrong. Currently, neither NASA nor any private launch company in the US has the ability to launch people into space. SpaceX is closing in on it, but they need a number of successful launches before their rockets are man rated, and probably even more to get the capsule man rated. That's why we rely on Russian rockets to put our astronauts into space right now.
It is politics. As only complete morons that are unable to listen to experts go into politics, of course it makes no sense.
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Here's a long list of improvements invented over the years, a lot of them fairly recently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Actually, there is no race about strong AI. All experts in the field currently think that it cannot be done at all or would at least require a fundamental theoretical breakthrough (which you cannot accelerate and that is nowhere in sight).
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They never worked. They usually made things worse. But this is politics, whether something works is unimportant, it only matters whether something sounds good to the ignorant masses.
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All experts ? Please post some links to the research of a couple of these top experts.
We don't have manned spaceflight capabilities??? I think NASA, SpaceX, and Blue Origin would disagree with you.
At present the last manned flight launched by the US was six years ago. Quite clearly we actually don't currently possess manned spaceflight capability. That's slated to change in a big way next year, but those chickens are most definitely not hatched yet.
You might argue that a seven year hiatus was a smart strategic decision that made the best use of limited budget as lower cost alternatives literally got off the ground, and I'd agree with you. But depending on the Russians for seven years was the kind of gamble a well-funded program wouldn't take. As things turned out oil prices have kept the Russian economy in bad shape, so that they couldn't afford to mess with us even after we slapped sanctions on them for Crimea. Things might have been uglier for us had oil prices gone up rather than down.
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Let's just hope General Tso doesn't adopt both drone and AI technology. The buffet will never be the same. A vwery verwy intwesting devewupment.
The US is the most business and investment friendly country on the planet.
Actually, Singapore and Hong Kong are consistently rated as more business friendly.
Low taxes, low energy prices, cheap infrastructure in the form of affordable land and office space
If those were so important, American AI labs would be in Louisiana rather than California.
It's been addressed by other replies, but:
I think NASA, SpaceX, and Blue Origin would disagree with you.
NASA has been paying Russia to put its astronauts in orbit for years
SpaceX has never launched somebody to orbit and probably won't for at least another few years
Blue Origin has never launched an orbital rocket at all, let alone a manned one.
1984 as a description of utopia.
The date is a bit off. Try 2:14 a.m. EDT on August 29, 1997.
Have gnu, will travel.
I am old, so this is a bit archaic but salient. Way back in ye olden days, we had a saying. It seems appropriate. 'The more the Soviet Union looks like America, the more America looks like the Soviet Union.'
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
sorry, neural nets of many layers are decades old tech. none of the those lists of theorems in the 1990s changed what could be done with the nets. we can throw more horsepower at the problem is all.
you're confused, you are the one asserted the existence of something that does not.
AI is stagnant but for increased horsepower. Whether talking about symbolic AI, neural nets, genetic algorithms...all done decades ago
Indeed. And there are a lot of areas that would benefit hugely from the general intelligence a human moron has. Cannot be done at this time and is not even on the distant horizon as there is no credible theory how it could be done.
The AI fanatics are blind and stupid.
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Yes, that would be interesting. Of course, no actual experts are going to disgrace themselves this way.
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More to the point, Please post some links to the research of top experts who currently think it _is_ within our grasp!
No, not more to the point. There's a big gap beween "within our grasp" and "it cannot be done". I don't believe it's in our grasp yet, but we're making good progress.
You're confused. I never said anything about strong AI. But gweihir claims that "all experts" believe it's (near) impossible.
I just wanted to hear that out of the mouths of these experts.