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We Could Have Had Cellphones Four Decades Earlier (reason.com)

_Sharp'r_ writes: Professor Thomas Hazlett of Clemson University analyzed the history of wireless spectrum and concluded the technology was known and available for cellphones in the 40s, but there was no spectrum available. Based on assumptions cellphones would always be luxury goods without mass appeal, significant spectrum for divisible cellular networks wasn't legally usable until the early 80s. Instead, the unused spectrum was reserved for the future expansion of broadcast TV to channels 70-83. Here's an excerpt from the report: "When AT&T wanted to start developing cellular in 1947, the FCC rejected the idea, believing that spectrum could be best used by other services that were not 'in the nature of convenience or luxury.' This view -- that this would be a niche service for a tiny user base -- persisted well into the 1980s. 'Land mobile,' the generic category that covered cellular, was far down on the FCC's list of priorities. In 1949, it was assigned just 4.7 percent of the spectrum in the relevant range. Broadcast TV was allotted 59.2 percent, and government uses got one-quarter."

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  1. It would have been for an elite by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Without modern miniaturization, spread-spectrum, and modern data compression, it would have been for an elite. We are lucky it wasn't rolled out in the 40's because it would have been a nickel-plated vacuum tube thing, and allocated to high-payers before the technology to allocate it widely existed.

    1. Re:It would have been for an elite by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And modern batteries.

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    2. Re:It would have been for an elite by TWX · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sounds to me like it would have been a technology integrated into luxury automobiles. We already saw other tech like 12" phonographs in luxury automobiles, so it's not exactly a stretch to imagine such a thing being popular for businessmen in sufficiently lofty jobs where better communications would make for more decisions. On top of that automobiles have had generators or alternators since the nineteen-teens, when Cadillac adopted a Delco starter/generator unit, so something of a modern electrical system existed. I remember Dad's '40 Buick having a 6V generator, not the most sophisticated of devices, but it would have been enough to power a two-way radio like a cellular phone.

      Early phones would have been huge, but as the usefulness was demonstrated companies would have sought to make them smaller. They might still have essentially remained carphones until the integrated-circuit era, but that doesn't mean that no one would have had them.

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    3. Re:It would have been for an elite by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, it WAS integrated into luxury automobiles. Car phone services were definitely around from the late 1940s on, but coverage areas were severely limited and costs were astronomical. I first remember realizing this watching the original Sabrina movie with Humphrey Bogart, and Bogie makes a call from his car.. In a 1954 movie. I was a bit shocked, but I looked them up, and sure enough phones like that were around back then. However, as TFA notes, these weren't CELLULAR phones, just mobile phones. Cellular tech was actually what allowed enlarged networks and cheaper prices because more calls could be routed through networks. Cellular was what transformed a luxury good into a more common one.

    4. Re:It would have been for an elite by Wizardess · · Score: 2

      In the late 50s and early 60s I was exposed to the automobile trunk filling technology of the mobile telephone. When I think of the timing requirements for trunking radios let along cell phone radios rendered in empty state electronics (large, hot, and nifty-drifty) I get an extreme case of the giggles. The Jolly Green Giant's limo MIGHT have had room for the electronics if the giant himself rode in the trunk.

      It's time to put away the tin-foil conspiracy hat and come back to reality. There is a difference between "the theory is known" and "we can do it today." Often that difference is an unbridgeable gap until necessary enabling technology is developed, such as GPS, semi-conductors, high power computers the size of largish watches, and so forth.

      (Gad those old mobile telephones were HUGE by modern standards.)

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    5. Re:It would have been for an elite by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 4, Informative
      Cellular tech was actually what allowed enlarged networks and cheaper prices because more calls could be routed through networks. Cellular was what transformed a luxury good into a more common one.

      NO

      It was the transistor which meant a radio transmitter could be smaller than 2 cubic feet, and cost less than a Harley-Davidson bike.

      Evidently, some people were born yesterday (or clickbait).

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    6. Re:It would have been for an elite by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because if something shit gets entrenched as the standard it obstructs something better that comes along a little later. See also: Windows(TM).

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    7. Re:It would have been for an elite by makomk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      IMTS isn't the same as MTS. Also, the reason why MTS was so expensive and rare is because in the 1940s the technology simply wasn't there to run such a system without hugely expensive equipment weighing 80 pounds. Reason's argument that it's the Government's fault for not allocating the spectrum just doesn't fly; the UHF frequencies they're talking about are, if anything, harder to operate on than the VHF frequencies used by MTS. Similarly, the technology to do handoff between cells and automatic frequency selection and dialling didn't exist yet either. Both MTS and IMTS were actually right at the bleeding edge of what was possible when they were introduced - bear in mind that IMTS predated the availability of ICs and MTS that of transistors, while cellular handsets were complex enough to need microprocessors.

      It's important to remember that Reason magazine has an ideological opposition to government regulation and indeed government in general that drives a lot of their reporting.

    8. Re: It would have been for an elite by elliotweston · · Score: 2

      Where do you think the term 'Motorola' originated?

    9. Re:It would have been for an elite by Ender_Stonebender · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure that both of those things are necessary (and neither of them, separately, is sufficient) in order to transform the idea of a "car phone" into what we think of as "mobile phones" today. Transistors allowed us to get to pocket-sized, battery-powered devices; cellular allowed us to get more calls into a given spectrum, so more than a dozen people could be using their mobile phones at the same time in the same city.

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    10. Re:It would have been for an elite by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 3, Informative

      Transistors were invented in the late 1940s. Mobile phones did not become common until the 1980s with the adoption of cellular tech. RTFA.

    11. Re: It would have been for an elite by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

      Motorola was car radios. Car phonographs never became more than a curiosity.

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  2. Spectrum is only one of the obstacles by Mosquito+Bites · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Many kinds of technology were involved into making the cell phone - from hardware to software - and most were simply not matured enough during the 1940's

  3. Ummm....they did exist since the late 1940's. by furry_wookie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The were called "radio phones/car phones". They were in use since the late 1940's and were quite popular in the 60s, 70s, and through the early 80s and often found in Limousines etc, before cell phones.

    This author does not really know what they are talking about.

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    1. Re:Ummm....they did exist since the late 1940's. by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes car phones.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      Mobile radio telephone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... has the 1950's and 60's networks.

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  4. Re:Ham by thechemic · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...and so were cellular telephones when they first came to market. All that you needed was a scanner.

    It was so easy to listen to any cell phone conversation, that website operators even setup websites allowing anyone to listen to live cell phone conversation streams in various cities.

    https://www.priv.gc.ca/en/opc-actions-and-decisions/investigations/investigations-into-businesses/incidents/2001/cf-dc_010917/

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  5. Commercially Viable and Highly Distributive by neurosine · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We could all be using satellite phones now...but they're not commercially viable...capability does not equal widely applicable. Especially technological capacity in its infancy. We could theoretically all be travelling in electromagnetic floating cars...but we're not...it's technically feasible...but not practical or commercially viable at this point in time...so...even though Tesla demonstrated wireless electricity in the 1800's...we're just now coming into induction charging as a regular thing. We're still not powering every device in our house through one central electrical generator...it's all being worked on though folks...you just can't get it cheap now...

  6. regular nmt was shit easy to listen to. by gl4ss · · Score: 2

    regular nmt was shit easy to listen to and the carphones that came before were even easier - and those had an operator patch/dial your call. cops could ask their operators to patch them through. does that make cop radios cellphones? no.

    and yes, I vote bullshit on the article. sure we had radios. we didn't have the automation to handle traffic and connecting the calls and THOSE are largely what counts as a cellphone vs. a radio.

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    1. Re:regular nmt was shit easy to listen to. by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      well yeah I called bullshit on them being able to automate the cell stuff that early making it a real cellphone. I said as much.

      look the idea itself, sure. but we didn't have consumer technology to make it happen at that point in time.

      so we could not have had cellphones decades earlier. look, they had not rolled out automated telephone exchanges in most parts back then. they didn't have the computers available to handle the cell exchanges.

      i'm 100% sure they knew the problems that they would need to fix and fcc probably too so why give spectrum for something that they are decades away from finishing rnd on?

      if they had already developed the necessary technology they would have demoed it and rolled it out in the fifties.

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    2. Re:regular nmt was shit easy to listen to. by AntronArgaiv · · Score: 2

      I vote bullshit on the article. sure we had radios. we didn't have the automation to handle traffic and connecting the calls and THOSE are largely what counts as a cellphone vs. a radio.

      Strongly agree.

      Any cellular system designed in 1940 would use relay logic, because there were no computers. Postwar? Very primitive ones, which took up entire rooms.
      Data transmission was by teletype, at 10 WPM. You'd fill the back of your car with gear to support any kind of intelligence in the mobile side, and changing to your assigned channel (a crucial part of the trunked or cellular system) would be by a relay, changing crystals.

      Look at the carphones of the 50s. They had dials and channel buttons. The technology was too cumbersome and limited to implement a cellular system at the time. As soon as the technology matured (i.e.: microprocessors) the computing power became available for the mobile side.

    3. Re:regular nmt was shit easy to listen to. by JackieBrown · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure if anyone was willing to spend the money to develop this tech with the hope that the FCC would change its mind.

  7. Re:It would have been for bodybuilders by Brett+Buck · · Score: 2

    Even the simplest bare-minimum function (making calls) would require a system the size of a house. In the early 40's, it was virtually impossible to reliably build anything that ran above about 50 mhz in mass-production, forget *890* mhz. There were AM "apex" broadcasts in the 50 mhz range, and early FM was around there, too, because that was the best they could do.

      Even in the mid 50's the "new" FM band at 100-ish mhz was very marginal to even build into a receiver, and there was *never* a portable tube FM radio (forget the transmitter part). The first portable FM radio in wide release wasn't available until 1961 (Zenith Royal 2000 - still the best performer), and it used transistors, weighed about two pounds, and was the size of a large lunchbox/small briefcase. And that, again, was just the receiver.

      Essentially, cellphones weren't practically realizable until large-scale integration came along in the 70's, and available spectrum had nothing to do with it.

  8. No shit by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Particularly since cellphones as they actually were/are, meaning phones that work with individuals radio "cells" and move between them need computers to work. They don't have to be amazing computers, but they need some computer logic to handle dealing with dynamic frequency assignment and handoff between towers.

    That one piece of a technology, even an important piece, existed at a given time doesn't mean the tech could happen. Many devices require a confluence of a number of technologies before they can happen.

    Smartphones are an example. They aren't particularly a novel idea, we've seen shit like them in sci fi for a long time. However to actually be a thing on the market we needed a lot of shit:

    --Processors had to get fast enough at a small enough size
    --Displays had to get small, light, and low energy
    --Batteries had to get sufficient energy density
    --Silicon based storage had to evolve to usable levels
    --We needed wireless digital communication
    --We needed the Internet (or something like it to have something worth connection to)

    Without any one of those things, you don't have a workable smartphone. That they started to rise to prominence when they did isn't some amazing stroke of genius or luck, it was because the various technologies had reached the needed point.

  9. Re:Ham by Air-conditioned+cowh · · Score: 2

    "Cellular" means using low powered transmitters at a high frequency and something like frequency modulation, which has a "capture effect" to create small geographic zones of reception. This enables more conversations to take place over less frequencies, particularly in built-up areas. As you move from one "cell" to another you hook up with a different base station. Not quite what radio hams were doing. If you turn up on a frequency they are already using with some new-fangled FM signal they would probably tell you to QSY or QRP in no uncertain terms.

  10. Re: Ham by blindseer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Cell phones used analog transmissions as late as 2008. How do I know this? Because that was when my cell provider bought me a new phone so they could retire all their analog equipment. I had a "dual mode" phone then that could do digital and analog. The FCC would not allow the cell providers to get rid of their analog equipment until enough of their subscribers had digital phones. I hung on to that phone so long that not only did I get a free phone but I was paid $50 to take the free phone.

    Another thing that prompted the switch were instances of high up government officials having their phone calls listened to by people with scanners.

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  11. We could have had guns in Roman times by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 2

    The Romans had all the technology to make guns. But they didn't, because they lacked the requisite mindset to make black powder and bronze gun barrels.

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  12. With valves by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, right. With valves. You'd need some kind of cart just for the batteries.

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  13. If we had only known by Dog-Cow · · Score: 2

    The summary reads like: if we had known the future, we could have done something differently.

    I think you could make the claim about a trillion other decisions made throughout history.

  14. Handheld? Don't think so by m.alessandrini · · Score: 3, Interesting

    First handheld cell phone from Motorola in 1973 was quite big, and they said it was a huge research and manufacturing effort to squeeze components down to that size with 70s technology.

  15. 4 decades? by petes_PoV · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article tells us that the first "cellular" call (the author's opinion seems to be that this was the only contributory technology required to make "cellphones" as we know them today) was made in 1973. So 4 decades earlier would have meant starting celular technology in the early 1930's.

    But to claim we could have had "cellphones" at any particular point in time implies all the infrastructure that goes with them: small size, portability, low cost, cell-towers, call routing computers, high capacity batteries. Simply saying that technical feasibility is the same as being able to develop a commercial product is naive.

    The ancient Babylonians used oil, does that mean thay should have developed the internal combustion engine?

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  16. Re:exaggeration by Tailhook · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It was certainly possible to modulate analog signals on today's cellular frequencies by the late 40's and early 50's (at least the lower SHF frequencies,) but it required several stages of tuned circuits; lots of hot, fragile, temperamental tubes. Without precision VFOs and digital control there is no frequency agility, so you manually tuned everything. Filtering was laughably bad by today's standards, so the sort of narrow band operation we rely on today was not feasible. Digital would be right out for at least two decades and fabulously expensive even then, and good ADC/DACs simply didn't exist. Without that stuff there is no cost effective way to implement time division multiplexing in an robust manner... So the best you might have done is a large, costly, fragile analog "phone" stepping on/crosstalking with others on some sort of duplexed repeater system, I guess.

    The premise of the story is BS. The FCC was not the reason there were no iphones in 1955. Just more clickbait.

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  17. Math doesn't add up. by GreyLurk · · Score: 2

    Just some back of the napkin calculations: So with 44 chanels (4.7% of the spectrum) they could host 575 callers. If they had the 59.7% of the spectrum allocated to TV, they could have hosted around 650 channels, which, by extension would support about 8000 callers. In New York City, a city with more than 7 million people in 1940. So, no, we couldn't have had everyone using cell phones in the 1940's even without FCC meddling. *AT BEST* it would have increased the cellphone user base from 0.01% of the population to 0.11% of the population. Without the geographic cells and spectrum switching tech that AT&T brought about in the 1980s, cell phones would have remained toys of the very wealthy and lucky.

  18. Re:Ham by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 2

    > This means a potentially unlimited number of people can be watchin

    The number is large, but not unlimited. Enough TV receivers, and the effects of their antennas and even their bodies on the radio passing through them, would tend to block out the signal further away. But the effect is modest and it would take a quite large number of antennas to achieve something like a Faraday cage to block the transmission completely.

  19. Re: Ham by mwvdlee · · Score: 3, Funny

    Deep pocketed people

    Literally

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  20. Re:Ham by RabidReindeer · · Score: 2

    ...and so were cellular telephones when they first came to market. All that you needed was a scanner.

    In fact, it was perfectly legal under the Communications Act of 1934 to listen to - but not repeat - communications received in any mode on any frequency.

    Then Reagan Got The Government Off The Backs Of The People and signed a law that made it not merely illegal to receive cellular communications, but to sell radios capable of receiving cellular communications. Land of the Free.

    Not that it did much good. Cellphones of the day tended to leak over onto my police-band radio anyway. And technically whoever blew up Newt Gringrich's reign by publishing a cell call intercepted in Gainesville, Florida should have been prosecuted, but no one was.

    These days, however, more communications than not are both digitized and encrypted. That includes the public-service stuff like fire departments, public transportation, routine police work and a lot more. You can no longer hear what you're paying for or how your local/state government does its day-to-day work.

  21. Why didn't other countries invent cell phones? by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

    My guess is because because in the 1940's Europe was a real fucking mess.

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