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Arctic Climate Change Study Canceled Due to Climate Change (livescience.com)

Posted by BeauHD on from the walking-on-thin-ice dept.

A Canadian expedition to study climate change in the Arctic has been canceled due to climate change. Specifically, the icebreaker CCGS Amundsen had to be cancelled "due to complications associated with the southward motion of hazardous Arctic sea ice," reports University of Manitoba. From the report: This regrettably postpones the much-anticipated Hudson Bay System Study (BaySys) involving 40 scientists from five universities across Canada. Timing was key for this $17 million, four-year, University of Manitoba-led project. The need to deal with extreme ice conditions in the south meant the ship would arrive too late on site to meet research objectives. This year the Expedition Logistics and Science Teams accelerated the mobilization of the 2017 Arctic Expedition to permit departure of the Amundsen six days ahead of schedule. This would allow CCG to carry out critical marine safety and security operations in the unusually severe ice conditions in the Strait of Belle Isle and along the northeast coast of Newfoundland before beginning the Science Mission. Unfortunately, the conditions required much more extended support than anticipated. Fleet management issues and inadequate alternative ships forced the cancellation of the science program due to significant safety concerns. This decision to cancel the BaySys 2017 program was not made lightly. Although the cancellation was due to circumstances beyond control of the Expedition Team, every effort was made to develop a viable option to allow this valuable work to proceed.

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  1. Global warming makes ice! by CajunArson · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You heard it here first, and if you disagree you're a science-denier who should be sent to the reeducation camps.

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    1. Re:Global warming makes ice! by blindseer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The ice becoming more mobile to the point of becoming a hazard to navigation was something I've never seen predicted before. It has always been that the ice would get thin and recede which would open the waters to shipping without the need for ice breakers.

      Assuming what you say is true, that they simply saw effects from global warming that they could not predict then I have to wonder what else they got wrong.

      These global warming alarmists keep making predictions that prove to be wrong later. How many times does this have to happen before they admit that they cannot in fact predict anything with any kind of accuracy?

      But that doesn't stop the deniers trying to pretend that this is some problem with the concept of global warming.

      I have to ask, does everything have to be "proof" of global warming or not? Can't something just be a random event? They could have called this just a temporary unforeseen weather event, which is probably what it is. Instead they tried to explain this as "evidence" that the ice is melting. If the global warming alarmists want to be believed then every once in a while they will have to admit that some events can in fact be random events that could be contradictory to global warming.

      I took statistics in college and one thing they teach is that not everything has to line up to show a trend. There will be outliers. The global warming alarmists need to admit that there will be outliers once in a while or they start to sound like fanatics instead of scientists.

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    2. Re:Global warming makes ice! by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The ice becoming more mobile to the point of becoming a hazard to navigation was something I've never seen predicted before.

      Well maybe you never saw it, but...

      I took statistics in college and one thing they teach is that not everything has to line up to show a trend.

      Except that this point does fit the trend. Does it really not make sense to you that higher temperatures would make the ice break up into smaller pieces and become mobile? Have you ever seen a lake melt in the spring? It doesn't just melt down into a single little ice cube and vanish; it begins to crack and break up into pieces long before the ice completely melts.

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    3. Re:Global warming makes ice! by shess · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But that doesn't stop the deniers trying to pretend that this is some problem with the concept of global warming.

      Yeah, I pretty much require all predictions to be 100% accurate before I believe any of it at all. For instance, if the weather person says it will rain with 10 mph wind, and there is no wind, do I take an umbrella? Hell no, because once any part of the prediction is wrong I know that all of the prediction will be wrong.

    4. Re:Global warming makes ice! by religionofpeas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If the ice is too thick then the ice is too thick and we can call it an outlier, an unexpected weather event, or whatever the case may be. What this is not is "proof" of global warming

      The ice is not too thick. It is too fractured and mobile, and it's being pushed in the shipping channels. Therefore they've cancelled the research mission, so that the ice breaker can be used for search and rescue, as well as escorting ferries and fishing boats.

      They are twisting themselves in knots so that they don't have to admit the irony of a pair of ships being sent out to study thinning ice only to have to turn back because the ice was too thick.

      The only irony is you not reading the article.

    5. Re:Global warming makes ice! by famebait · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just like I told my insurance company: Oh, you say my house is gonna burn, do you? Prove it! Greedy fuckers.

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    6. Re: Global warming makes ice! by religionofpeas · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The North Pole has been a lot warmer than it is currently in recorded history

      In your haste to respond, you seem to have forgotten the links to the North Pole temperature records of those days.

  2. Makes sense to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    And by climate change, you mean global cooling. It makes perfect sense that global cooling would result in more sea ice at lower latitudes. And the cyclical nature of Earth's climate shows that we're due for another period of cooling, as we've seen over the past several hundred thousand years. This actually makes complete sense to me.

  3. Perfectly foreseeable by hyades1 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A headline like this brings out the Climate Change deniers in full force. Too bad they'll now have to miss their Chemtrail and Moon Landing Conspiracy meetings due to their efforts to trash Slashdot.

    I'll probably be modded down almost instantly for daring to point this out.

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  4. Marketing backfires by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The term "climate change" was arguably a master stroke of marketing. The earlier version "global warming" had the inherent flaw that if the temperatures stopped rising consistently, people would stop believing it. By rebranding it as "climate change," any variation in climate that the promoters didn't like could easily be attributed to it regardless of the underlying causes. But at some point, as a researcher, you'd have to be able to prove to your donors that you've achieved your research goals. Vague goals or no goals eventually runs out of Schlitz. And when nature borks your research expedition, kiss the grant funding goodbye.