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Venezuelans Flock To Cryptocoins Amid Spiralling Inflation (bloomberg.com)

An anonymous reader quotes Bloomberg: Demand for digital coins is soaring in Venezuela amid an escalating political crisis that has protesters demanding that President Nicolas Maduro step down. Inflation has spiraled to the triple digits, debasing the bolivar and depleting savings, while citizens struggle to find everything from food to medicine on store shelves. "If you're going to be in something volatile, you might as well be in something that's volatile and rising than volatile and falling," says Ryan Taylor, chief executive officer of crypto currency Dash Core, the third-largest digital coin by number of transactions... Bitcoin trading volume in Venezuela jumped to $1.3 million this week, about double the amount that changed hands two months ago, according to LocalBitcoins.com...

Venezuela's currency has become nearly worthless in the black market, where it takes more than 6,000 bolivars to buy $1, while bitcoin surged 53 percent in the past month alone. But it's not just about shielding against the falling bolivar, as some Venezuelans are using crypto currencies to buy and sell everyday goods and services, according to Jorge Farias, the CEO of Cryptobuyer.

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  1. Dash? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 0, Troll

    Let's go guys, buy Dogecoins too!

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  2. Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How's that working for you?

    1. Re:Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Never change, snowflake.

    2. Re:Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Want to know what a crazy lefty is up to? Just listen to what he accuses his opponents of doing.

    3. Re: Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are stupid. Communism appleals exclusively to the uninformed.

    4. Re: Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this is the part were someone says this was no true scot, I mean, socialism. It did not meet the completely unrealistic and unattainable standards that must be met for the One True Socialism and/or Communism, therefore those ideas which have turned out horrible every single time they've ever been implemented on any large scale are still viable ideas. Next time it won't crash and burn while a small group of all powerful oligarchs at the top live like kings.

    5. Re:Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as well as being a part of OPEC has.

    6. Re:Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah really! They turned republican birtherism up to 11... Just part of the old role reversal thing... Back and forth it goes...

      Anything you can do, I can do better...

    7. Re: Communism by king+neckbeard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, this is the point where you use basic political science definitions and point out that the thing that shitty governments tend to have in common far more than economic leanings is being authoritarian. Venezeula isn't shitty because they have universal healthcare, they are shitty because they have a dictator, and with a dictator, you tend to not actually fall within the ideals of any popular economic model.

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    8. Re:Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I found the "Election Denier".

    9. Re: Communism by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except authoritarians ruling capitalist countries tend to do far better economically than authoritarians ruling communist countries. Examples: Pinochet's Chile, Nazi Germany, modern day China.

      Authoritarianism is bad.
      Communism is bad.
      But the combination is even worse.

    10. Re:Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Communism will work! The only reason it hasn't happened so far is because reeducation hasn't ever gone far enough. You need to stop greedy citizens from trying to hold on to their possessions. All a person needs is a small portion of food, clothing, and shelter, and nothing else. If we could just properly teach them to give up all else, then all wars would end!

    11. Re: Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      Except authoritarians ruling capitalist countries tend to do far better economically than authoritarians ruling communist countries. Examples: Pinochet's Chile, Nazi Germany, modern day China.

      Chile collapsed so quick that Friedman had to cry that he meant to do that.

      Germany and China had the benefit of being strong, economically robust states, and able to survive a lot of things, but both of them did make severe missteps. But this is nothing new for either one, or anything else under the sun. It's only been a decade, and yet people forget the last economic crisis. Which in its way, may have been far more devastating to the whole world.

      Authoritarianism is bad.
      Communism is bad.
      But the combination is even worse.

      Sure man, now what about chocolate syrup on your pizza? The People's Free Christian Democratic Republican Union of Independent States wants to know!

    12. Re: Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Universal health care is authoritarian.

    13. Re: Communism by manu0601 · · Score: 2

      Venezeula isn't shitty because they have universal healthcare, they are shitty because they have a dictator

      Is Maduro a dictator? IIRC he was regularly elected. Now he refuses to step down from presidency after opposition won majority in parliament, but the consitution allows that: his opponents will have to win the presidential election to kick him out.

    14. Re: Communism by roman_mir · · Score: 2

      An economic model is not supposed to be popular, if it is a popular one it means it is one that gives government power, removes power from individuals and all of this is done either for 'the good of the public' or for 'the good of the nation' (socialism/communism vs fascism/nazism), pick your hemlock.

      An economic model is supposed to follow sound ideas of money being created by productive work, of people having to exchange the fruits of their labour in a free market where the prices are not dictated but discovered, where production is encouraged and not taxed, savings are encouraged and not taxed, where if you have to tax something it has to be on the consumption side, where interest rates are set by demand and supply in the free market, where money is created by the work of the people rather than on the whim of any government or a pseudo government agency, where prices are not fixed on neither products, nor labour, nor capital, where people are allowed to fail, where failure is not seen as something bad but as something cleansing. Where failure and debt restructured is the preferred way of dealing with failure rather than any form of a subsidy or a prop up by any form of government.

      The health of the economy cannot be sacrificed in the name of any form of economic justice, any form of protection, any form of safety, any form of stability, the economy is a living, breathing, constantly changing organism that develops and evolves and survives because it is the best fit organism in the existing environment at any moment in time.

      Individuals need to be free to create, to save, to work, to produce and to consume if they choose to consume instead of saving. Individuals make the weather, not collectives, individuals make the choices, not collectives, individuals make purchasing and selling decisions, not collectives, individuals own property and run businesses, not collectives, individuals trade with each other, not collectives.

      Individuals do not need any form of protectionism, individuals do not need any form of a 'trade agreement', they just trade voluntarily for their mutual benefit (or at least for what they perceive is their mutual benefit) in the absence of an oppressive regime. Individuals must be allowed to fail, they must be allowed to die trying, they must be free. Individuals build economies, individuals set priorities, individuals make choices. Collectives must not be allowed to stand in the way of individuals.

    15. Re: Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Individuals make the weather

      Ah, roman_mir invents the weather wizard.

    16. Re: Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's the United STATES of America, not the United Large Liberal Cities of America.

    17. Re: Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Venezuela will probably stay with the authoritarianism/socialism (not communism) paradigm for the foreseeable future.

      Hugo Chavez created the mess that has gradually declined over time, but because it is reaching crisis levels under Maduro, many people assume that Chavez was a good man (also helped by the fact that dead politicians tend to be viewed in a more positive light after they are gone,) and that they'll need another Chavez to replace Maduro.

      Thus, the process will repeat, until the people there finally drop the rhetoric and see just how destructive socialism really is.

    18. Re:Communism by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      You merely reiterate the earlier point about projection. No-one can get the left to shut up, therefore you claim that the right do the same.

    19. Re: Communism by ooloorie · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Venezeula isn't shitty because they have universal healthcare, they are shitty because they have a dictator, and with a dictator, you tend to not actually fall within the ideals of any popular economic model.

      Socialism is necessarily totalitarian and dictatorial. You simply cannot have a society that is both free and socialist. Socialists acknowledge that by calling it a "dictatorship of the proletariat."

      The route to freedom under socialism is the elimination of everybody who doesn't behave according to socialist ideals: work camps, secret police, and massive indoctrination.

      So stop lying and pretending that Venezuela is some kind of aberration. You are deplorable.

    20. Re: Communism by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

      Chile collapsed so quick that Friedman had to cry that he meant to do that.

      Bullcrap. Pinochet ruled Chile for 17 years, while the economy prospered, and then peacefully transitioned Chile to democracy. He was a brutal but competent dictator.

      Germany and China had the benefit of being strong, economically robust states

      More bullcrap. Germany was a basket case when Hitler took over. He immediately launched a massive Keynesian expansion that pulled not just Germany, but much of Europe out of the Great Depression.

      Under communism, China was one of the world's poorest countries, and experienced the worst famine in all of history. Then in 1979, they switched to capitalism while keeping the authoritarianism in place. Since then, their economy has expanded ten-fold.

      Look at the graph on this page: Historical GDP of China. Under communism, China's economy was flat for decades. Then in 1979 it was like turning on a light switch from "poverty" to "prosperity". There is a clear inflection point.

    21. Re: Communism by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is Maduro a dictator?

      Yes. He is ruling by decree. He ignores the legislature, and has packed the judiciary with his cronies.

      IIRC he was regularly elected.

      Being elected doesn't make you a non-dictator. Hitler was elected. Maduro became president when Chavez died, and was re-elected soon after by a razor thin majority that is widely viewed as fraudulent.

      his opponents will have to win the presidential election to kick him out.

      Since Maduro controls the army, the judiciary, and the election infrastructure, that may prove difficult.

    22. Re: Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      Pinochet gave up on the Friedman economics pretty quickly, but he tottered on as the dictator until Bush the Elder had to cut him off (and El Salvador's junt and Hussein in Iraq) as the collapse of the USSR meant they know longer needed to keep those guys around to fight the dirty communists. But yeah, the economic plan died in a fire MUCH quicker. But you know, Milton, he meant to do that! It was his plan all along!

      Germany? You're buying into the myth that it was an economic wreck, destitute and forlorn. Keynes did too. Not saying the reparations were a good idea, but they weren't as crippling as the myth tells you. In fact, the whole world was suffering under an illusion, as the Great Depression went on with warehouses of produce rotting away and factories sitting idle. But I'm sure there's plenty of people to tell you how Keynes was wrong in other ways. I think I saw roman_mir toddling around.

      China? You're confusing the mistake of listening to misinformed Russian advisers with it being the "Communist" parts. No, they just didn't know how agriculture worked differently in China. Same problem as the Dustbowl, or Africa. The techniques failed, not the political philosophy. Though some of it was the difference between Mao (who wanted an agrarian state) and Xiaoping (who wanted an industrial one), but you shouldn't consider either one acceptable. One would put you to backbreaking labor on the farm, the other would put you to backbreaking labor in a factory.

      Neither one would blink when it came to shooting your ass anyway. You're getting the details wrong, and believing in the numbers.

      Do try to learn some more examination of the details, statistics are an easy way to make the facts lie for you.

      And go thank Norman Borlaug, now that guy, that guy figured out how to improve yields!

    23. Re:Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Communism will work when tens of millions more people die on the altar of communism. We haven't made enough human sacrifices! Lord Marx, hear our prayers.

    24. Re: Communism by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The techniques failed, not the political philosophy.

      This is Leftism in a nutshell. It is never the fault of the ideology when 30 million people starve to death, and a billion are impoverished. It is only because someone failed to tweak the "purity" knob on the policy dashboard. Whatever.

    25. Re:Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >Communism will work! The only reason it hasn't happened so far is because

      we keep running out of Other People's Money, for some reason.

    26. Re: Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "You're buying into the myth that it was an economic wreck"
      And you are buying to a bunch of BS. They bankrupted themselves fighting WW1 and any German assets the allies could get their hands on was seized. The poor state of Germany's economy was the catalyst Hitler used on his way to power. He constantly blamed Germany's poor economy on the WW1 European Allies and built up the hate to the point where German citizens supported Hitler's military adventures.

      And China is the US's most successful regime change in it's history. Nixon's started the ball rolling when he visited Mao in China. Up until then China was insular and had not been brought into the international economy. The US coaxed China a little each year until China's leadership finally realized the amount of money to be made by opening their economy. Of course one beneficiaries of China's entry into global economic and trade framework was the US. There is a reason the ruling party in China are some of the wealthiest people on the planet. Their wealth wasn't built by copyrighting and distributing their "Little Red" book. The US will always take a good trading partner regardless of their political ideology.

    27. Re: Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, yes, ShanghaiBill, preach what you have to believe is true, stick to your own purity ideals, and completely ignore what I said in favor of your own dogmatic reaction.

      If you paid attention, you'd have noticed that it was the mistaken methods that were wrong, and doomed to failure, regardless of whatever the preachings of whoever was ordering it.

      But you didn't and couldn't let yourself hear that. It couldn't be the choices were wrong, not because of the espoused views, but because of being the wrong thing to do. It has to be because they were waving the Red Flag of Communism. Not other viewpoint can be tolerated, that is unfathomable, it must be a leftist challenging your preferred doctrine, and that is why you can simply declare them wrong, and scream about "purity" yourself.

      C'mon, open your ears and listen for once. I haven't even endorsed a viewpoint that is what you REALLY want to portray it as, I'm offering something different, and you still can't make yourself listen since it makes you uncomfortable. Believe it or not, I may not be in the pigeon hole you want me to be ensconced.

      As for the anonymous fellow, what a surprise, of course Hitler blamed things on the other forces of Europe, that was how he could go to war with them, and suppress them, same with the Jews. And no, it wasn't that the leadership gradually realized it, it was MAO DYING, and so the people who took charge after the fall of the Gang of Four could pursue their agenda of industrial enrichment. Through a wonderful totalitarian state that indeed, the US is willing to ignore as long as it gets its own geegaws. See also US policy towards the Caribbean and Central America.

    28. Re: Communism by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      [Maduro is a dictator] He is ruling by decree. He ignores the legislature, and has packed the judiciary with his cronies.

      The relevant question is: is that allowed by the constitution?

      Being elected doesn't make you a non-dictator. Hitler was elected. Maduro became president when Chavez died, and was re-elected soon after by a razor thin majority that is widely viewed as fraudulent.

      You should double check that Hitler became chancelor because of an election. And for the razor thin majority, did you called G.W. Bush a dictator?

      Since Maduro controls the army, the judiciary, and the election infrastructure, [kicking him out of presidency through elections] may prove difficult.

      Indeed it is always difficult to kick out a leader abusing its powers, but that has not happened yet. Given how polarized the venezuelian political landscape is, I agree with you the risk is there, but please wait for the fault before naming a culprit.

    29. Re: Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fact, the whole world was suffering under an illusion

      The whole world suffering under an illusion. Or just you? My money is on just you.

    30. Re: Communism by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 1

      That's fine, but what about corporations, limited liability and government granted intellectual property monopolies?. I take it you are against those as well?

    31. Re: Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole world suffering under an illusion. Or just you? My money is on just you.

      Do what you want with your money, but go out and check for the truth, consider whether the history being taught is so often caught in a fog of lies.

      Even the narrative of the Great Depression is built upon the Roarin' Twenties being a built upon smoke and mirrors.

      You have the benefit of people with the hindsight to look, take advantage of it.

    32. Re: Communism by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      The relevant question is: is that allowed by the constitution?

      Constitutionality is decided by the judiciary. Maduro owns the judges. So the constitution means whatever he says it means.

    33. Re: Communism by currently_awake · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are talking about Communism when you say Socialism. There are less extreme versions of socialism that aren't dictatorships. Having the government build and maintain roads is socialism, so is a government run police department or army. Having the government subsidize farmers and the "War on Drugs" is classic Socialism straight out of Karl Marx but Republicans have no problem with those.

    34. Re: Communism by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      I said "universal healthcare." Universal healthcare is not authoritarian, and the cries of 'socialism' in America are always about things like universal healthcare, infrastructure, public education, unions, and social safety nets. None of those are authoritarian, and they tend to increase the effective freedom of societies.

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    35. Re: Communism by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      What I meant by 'popular' was models that people will openly claim to advocate. Capitalism, democratic socialism, mixed markets, socialism, and even communism. Virtually nobody, and especially not economists, openly claims to advocate for fascism, cronyism, or oligarchy, but that's what authoritarian governments tend to have as economic models.

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    36. Re: Communism by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 2
      If you're going to talk about idealogical purity, let's look at what's going on nowadays. The neo-con idea of preemptive war was first tested in Iraq, where over 1 million people have died, millions more becoming refugees. Is that important? What current issue is more important than the death of 1 million people, and the cost of all that destruction and refugees?

      The second biggest issue of our time is probably the recent world recession. Bush inherited a balanced budget (surplus even - from Clinton's small tax raise), gave out the biggest tax cut to the rich in who knows how long, and a few years later we had the great recession. If you want to get into details, there's multiple reasons for that, but the one thing it proves is that doling out tax cuts for the wealthy in America can't save the economy, not in our time at least. If you're pragmatic, you have to bet that it actually does a lot of harm.

      The right is sooo idealogical. The left, sometimes talks ideology, but usually looks at every situation and tries to choose what's actually best for everyone, even the right. We've seen that trickle down economics, invented on a napkin by politicians, has failed miserably, so we don't believe in it. We've seen that starting stupid wars is ... stupid. People die (good people, a lot of righties even). If you're going to war, make sure it's for the right reasons.

    37. Re: Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is authoritarian. The state threatens violence if you, as an individual, don't get insured, and as a an insurance organization, don't abide by onerous regulations like ignoring pre existing regulations.

      Anything that takes away freedom and puts it in the hands of the state is authoritarian. You can only argue, as an advocate, that this is good despite the restriction on freedom.

    38. Re: Communism by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      1) You aren't describing universal healthcare, you are describing Obama/Romney/Nixoncare.
      2) The level of abstraction from violence is important in assessing whether or not something is authoritarian, or how authoritarian something is. Yes, anything enforced by the state is eventually tied back to the state's monopoly on violence, but there's an enormous gap between having to pay modest taxes, not doing so having a possibility of eventually resulting in prison time after exhausting a number of legal processes, and summary mass executions. There is a spectrum from anarchy to authoritarianism, and those are all minor elements. If we fucking trained our cops to do their damn jobs like other countries and ended civil forfeiture, and implemented all of the things I mentioned, we would have a net movement away from authoritarianism.

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    39. Re:Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, yes, bark at the left! That's a good right-winger! Do you want a cookie? Bounce the ball on your nose!

    40. Re: Communism by haliburns · · Score: 1

      Losing an argument? No problem, just change the subject.

    41. Re: Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fuck off, the retarded neoliberal policies were scaled down fast and hard in chile really fast. learn your history first before opening your stupid mouth

    42. Re: Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Won't someone think of the arbitrary lines drawn on a map?!?!

    43. Re: Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that is what ShanghaiBill tried to do, was losing an argument on the facts, decided to start screaming about leftism instead, then stormed off on a huff. Thank you for noticing.

    44. Re: Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > . Bush inherited a balanced budget (surplus even - from Clinton's small tax raise)

      No, he didn't. They were borrowing against SSA receipts. They were just kickign a very big can.

      > and a few years later we had the great recession.

      I find it hilariously funny that someone anyone posting on slashdot completely forgets the collapse of a giant bubble economy near the end of 2000.

    45. Re: Communism by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Under communism, China was one of the world's poorest countries, and experienced the worst famine in all of history.
      That is a pretty missleading statement.
      First of all China was poor before Mao, too. Secondly China was occupied by foreign nations before Mao. Thirdly the famine from 1958 - 1962 has nothing to do with communism. I suggest to at least read the relevant wikipedia articles.

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    46. Re: Communism by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Hitler was not elected.
      That is a american or /. myth ...

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    47. Re: Communism by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      All examples you gave have nothing to do with socialism or communism etc.
      They are classic examples of a governments responsibility.

      Not having them does not mean you are 'capitalist' ( which is a market system and not a political system), it means you are in an anarchy.

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    48. Re: Communism by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      You said:

      Venezeula isn't shitty because they have universal healthcare,

      That's correct. You can have universal healthcare without being as shitty as Venezuela. Just look at Switzerland. See, contrary to what you believe, universal healthcare can be provided in many ways other than through government programs or socialism.

      [Venezuela is] shitty because they have a dictator, and with a dictator, you tend to not actually fall within the ideals of any popular economic model.

      Venezuela is your typical socialist shithole, with the typical sequence of events that happen when socialists take power: dictatorships, economic collapse, violent oppression, secret police, refugees, etc.

      That's the typical sequence of events because socialism is the political equivalent of young earth creationism and faith healing: it is an absurd, irrational set of beliefs that simply does not reflect reality and fails to deliver results.

    49. Re: Communism by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      "but there's an enormous gap between having to pay modest taxes"

      But Venezuela isn't failing because people pay modest taxes, it's failing because it is actually socialist, with all the secret police, violence, oppression, poverty, corruption and economic failure that go along with socialism.

    50. Re: Communism by catprog · · Score: 1

      An economic model is not supposed to be popular, if it is a popular one it means it is one that gives government power, removes power from individuals and all of this is done either for 'the good of the public' or for 'the good of the nation' (socialism/communism vs fascism/nazism), pick your hemlock.

      An economic model is supposed to follow sound ideas of money being created by productive work

      Is it?

      Or is the economic model supposed to provide for the people the best quality of life? Who cares about the top end of town, it is how well the bottom end of town lives that determines if a model is good or bad.

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    51. Re: Communism by roman_mir · · Score: 0

      The 'bottom end' of the town is the part of the town that benefits from a working free market system much more than the 'top end'. The wealthy didn't need an mp3 player 200 years ago, they could listen to live performances, the poor benefited from industrialization and technological progress relatively more than the wealthy. The poor definitely benefitted from industrialization and real savings that drove it forward more than the wealthy.

      Most definitely the poor suffer from this insane inflation (expansion of the money supply that is done not as a natural response of higher productivity but at the hands of the government and of its power grab) while the wealthy benefited or at least suffered much less. Rising prices hurt the poor much more than the wealthy.

      The government can make the lives of the poor unbearable while freedom from government actually created the middle class. The government can do so much for the poor, for example it can send them to fight wars that benefit some very well connected wealthy people.

      Of course the government is what it is because the poor do care how well the 'top end' of the town lives, as long as it lives visibly better than the majority the popular economics will include confiscation of that wealth and redistribution.

      That is why I say this: economics is not supposed to be popular, populism leads to destruction and in reality the poor suffer more than the wealthy during economic destruction. The wealthy can withstand it, they can also leave. The poor may not have those options.

    52. Re: Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anything that isn't anarchism is authoritarian.

      People should stop confusing anarchism with good and authoritarianism with evil. Both ideas and structures have been used for either end throughout history.

    53. Re: Communism by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Okay, you're an idiot, but the point is, countries like Venezuela are used in stupid arguments so America doesn't adopt Scandinavian policies, even though they meet the reality of the "American dream" by just about every single metric.

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    54. Re:Communism by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      No, the reason is simple. We just haven't found the right intelligent species. Once we find that, Communism will work great!

      Of course, we still have to exterminate those pesky humans or find a system that kinda works for them.

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    55. Re: Communism by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      More bullcrap. Germany was a basket case when Hitler took over. He immediately launched a massive Keynesian expansion that pulled not just Germany, but much of Europe out of the Great Depression.

      Germany had a very strong industrial sector when Hitler took it over, and while it was hard hit by the Depression it wasn't a basket case. Nazi Germany policies kicked off a massive expansion based on borrowing from other countries. This wasn't going to last forever, which is why it was necessary to grab Austria and (more importantly) Czechoslovakia to avoid something of an economic collapse. Then Germany went to a war economy and got to loot a large part of Europe.

      Not what I'd consider a sound economic policy, considering how it all ended.

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    56. Re: Communism by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Germany came out of WWI in pretty good shape, actually, although the whole reparations mess obscured that. Hitler blamed Germany's woes on a whole lot of things, mostly Jews and international bankers and such people. Hitler lied a lot.

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    57. Re: Communism by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Scandinavian style government means massive tax raises on the middle class, and a massive loss of individual liberties, both of which American voters are unlikely to support. It means giving up sovereignty and attaching yourself to big neighbors that take care of your defense and foreign policy, not an option for the US. It means a massive exodus of entrepreneurs and the wealthy. There is also lots of reason to believe that it is just not sustainable, bring largely based on intergenerational transfers.

      Scandinavia itself is more than enough reason not to adopt Scandinavian policies.

  3. The US dollar would be more effective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure cryptocurrencies are thrilled though, keeps the ponzi scheme going.

  4. BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Again with this?
    It looks like some people here really want the value of their Bitcoin to go up.

    As a Venezuelan, I don't know ANYBODY using or accepting Bitcoin for anything.

    1. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does it feel, to know that _NOBODY_ trusts you?

    2. Re: BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I am a Venezuelan and I do use it, and know others using it. It depends on what your circle of friends is like.

    3. Re: BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am a Venezuelan, and so is my wife!

    4. Re: BS by war4peace · · Score: 1

      I am not a Venezuelan, and neither is my wife!

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  5. What about Rare Pepes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Rare Pepes" are widely used in South America in lieu of fiat currency.

  6. mod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The same thing will happen in the U.S. when people realize that the printed fiat dollar is only supported by the government forcing the other countries of the world to buy dollars in order to purchase oil. As oil becomes deprecated as an energy source people will be able to buy renewable energy in other currencies, making the U.S. dollar irrelevant and worthless.

  7. Venuzuela is a model economy by misexistentialist · · Score: 0

    according Joseph Stiglitz, World Bank executive, Nobel Prize winner, and Clinton advisor. With globalist experts like him setting economic policy around the world cryptocurrency volatility doesn't look so bad.

    1. Re:Venuzuela is a model economy by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      They use crypto-currency because their own currency sucks, they aren't allowed to use anything else, but they can't stop you using a crypto-currency. If a major country supported a crypto-currency it would quickly become a defacto world currency. Safe, can't be blocked easily, and you can avoid taxes/government control.

  8. the Internet changed everything by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    including money

    1. Re:the Internet changed everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      including money

      ....for the worse

  9. Venezuela is Heading for Civil War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's only a matter of time now. Maduro has armed tens of thousands of militia gang members. The criminals are also armed and looting and killing at will. People are starving to death and will eventually face a choice between a slow lingering death or going down fighting. It will happen quick once it gets started. Mobs will break into the arsenals and loot the weapons. Military units will face a choice of whose side to join, as they did in Syria. Maduro has made many enemies who will take the opportunity to settle scores and lots of hungry young men with nothing to do and no prospects will relish the chance to bleed the elites. All that's needed now is a spark and Maduro is sure to bungle into one sooner or later.

    1. Re:Venezuela is Heading for Civil War by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that. I needed cheering up.

      I watched ''Threads'' and ''The Day After'' and listened to all four of Marillion's albums, twice, and none of them worked.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    2. Re:Venezuela is Heading for Civil War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > It's only a matter of time now.

      I'm not sure you're giving a warning or just implying this will bring some kind of closure.

      If it's the latter, it won't work. War never works.

      Maduro is getting cornered and can't see a way out; the bloodbath solution will bring a heavy toll, don't doubt that for a second. Right now, IMHO, the best solution is for Maduro and his gang to seek some kind of asylum to live safely in a neutral place -- and leave Venezuela to be reconstructed, because it's already half destroyed. In this day and age, it is unacceptable to profit the occasion to conquer a feeble country -- at least for self-respecting nations -- but we must be cautious about opportunists.

      Venezuela is like a sick person on a bed: we'd better take care of her/him; if nothing else, for fear of whatever diseases may spread from that place. I mean it literally (i.e., plagues) and figuratively (new political guerilla) .

      That left vs right, communism vs capitalism BS is over. Stop that, please! Lives are being lost by the minute.

      The world is different now, communists want free market and capitalists want closed walls. We don't help Venezuela because we're nice folks, we should help it because it might turn into a nightmare overnight.

      I'm not advocating a violation of Venezuela sovereignty, but a strong diplomatic initiative might create a solution which is palatable to all stakeholders. I believe/hope that such thing is still possible.

    3. Re:Venezuela is Heading for Civil War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Undemocratic leadership is not sovereign. It is an organized gang, nothing more.

    4. Re:Venezuela is Heading for Civil War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such "leadership" is a point in history. Venezuela as a country is a much bigger thing. They shall pass, we must help so that the country does not crumble -- again, not out of noble intentions, but because stability there is important as we face more pressing world issues.

  10. WTF? A Socialist country is FAILING?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    What happened?

    Did they run out of other people's money?

    Like Greece? Detroit? Illinois?

    1. Re:WTF? A Socialist country is FAILING?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a mass strike some time ago. The highly paid oil workers for the state run oil company joined in. In revenge the government had these skilled people fired and replaced with cheaper replacements. This wasn't a good idea given the difficult geology of the country. As a consequence, the oil production output of Venezuela is dropping and continues to drop. Some websites say the government tried to cap salaries in order to achieve a more equal society. But either way, those workers have gone and the country is losing export revenue. This is the result.

    2. Re:WTF? A Socialist country is FAILING?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      production hasn't really fallen at all, for a couple of years production spiked due to very high oil prices. now that the days of high oil prices are over they are getting the double whammy of lower prices and a return to normal levels of production.

    3. Re:WTF? A Socialist country is FAILING?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happened?

      Did they run out of other people's money?

      Like Greece? Detroit? Illinois?

      Wells Fargo? CenturyLink? Comcast? Whole Foods? Enron? Bernie Madoff? Bear Stearns? Taylor, Bean & Whitaker? Countrywide? AmeriQuest? Lehman Brothers? General Motors? Chrysler?

      Hmm, I wonder why these Socialist Countries failed. Oh wait, wait, no, those are Capitalist Corporations?

      Whatever did they do wrong?

    4. Re:WTF? A Socialist country is FAILING?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were just unlucky. Communists do it wrong on purpose because they want everyone life to be shit. Except themselves.
      --
      roman-mir

    5. Re:WTF? A Socialist country is FAILING?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were just unlucky. Communists do it wrong on purpose because they want everyone life to be shit. Except themselves.
      --
      roman-mir

      Oh roman_mir, you silly fraud, just unlucky? Try outright criminals, who committed fraud, who cheated, who stole, and didn't mind whose life they turned to shit, as long as they got their own gold.

      Sorry, but the companies I listed (and I was not exhaustive), were (and are) full of malignant, depraved, individuals, who acted on purpose and aforethought as much as any communist you could name.

  11. Cyptocoin value is proportional to the hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go to google trends, type in bitcoin, compare the search volume graph to the price graph of bitcoin.

  12. They need more helicopters! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If only Pinochet could help them...

  13. The final stage of hyperinflation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The final stage of hyperinflation is usually some kind of "currency board", in which the central bank agrees to defend the local currency against some other standard, and the government is backed into a corner and reluctantly agrees. A gold standard is a special case of this; but any relatively stable substitute will work. Bitcoin has a reputation for volatility; but it pales in comparison to any currency that's in hyperinflation. If Bitcoin maintains popularity among the people, Venezuela's central bank might decide to become the first one to gear its notes to a cryptocurrency.

  14. Re: Sad they didn't do socialism enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump destroyed that country.

  15. This is a good use of Cryptocurrency by locater16 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Right now a lot of people use Bitcoin as a gold substitute. It's valuable because it's (relatively) secure and rare, exactly why people used gold for so long. But like gold, it's not actually practical for using as an everyday means of exchange.

    Currency exchanges take too long to verify (half an hour or more), cost too much to do so (minor transactions can cost more to verify than exchanged hands), and the whole system sucks up a lot of power. While cryptocurrency as a valid backstop against incompetent governments is a great idea, a more technically proficient cryptocurrency, better designed for everyday transactions, would be a huge boon.

    1. Re:This is a good use of Cryptocurrency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the power consumption of bitcoin is not that bad if you compare it against traditional infrastructure handling a comparable transaction load. There is a paper comparing it to the ATOS network, and the estimated power consumption is about the same.

      Cryptocurrencies require a lot of 'useless' calculation, but it is an easy and static calculation that can be handled by efficient ASICs, while traditional banking systems require dynamic operations needing big general purpose server farms.

    2. Re:This is a good use of Cryptocurrency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With electronic online banking by the incumbents, it takes three days to transfer money electronically from one account to another (the bank lends out the money for a few days to cover the administration fee of the transaction).

    3. Re:This is a good use of Cryptocurrency by ancientt · · Score: 2

      The need for faster transactions might help explain the rising popularity of Ethereum. From themerkle.com: "the average block time sitting at the 14 second mark ever since April of 2016."

      --
      B) Eliminate all the stupid users. This is frowned upon by society.
    4. Re:This is a good use of Cryptocurrency by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      If you go half a century back maybe.

    5. Re:This is a good use of Cryptocurrency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.
      1) Lending the money out doesn't make any money. Rates are near zero, so earning ~1% for 3 days makes nothing.
      2) Money can and does travel much faster than that.

    6. Re:This is a good use of Cryptocurrency by MatthiasF · · Score: 1

      Bitcoin is "valuable" only because it is designed as a constantly deflating currency yet the coins themselves can be split down to continually smaller amounts.

      I don't understand why anyone would willingly use a currency like that. The majority of it is just being horded or held for speculation.

    7. Re:This is a good use of Cryptocurrency by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Gold is not practical as an everyday means of exchange either - there are a lot of ways to commit fraud with it. Alloys, plating, shaving coins. It's also very vulnerable to theft, and can only be used with a direct physical transaction - no good for buying things online. It was 'good enough' for a long time, but there's a reason the banking industry grew. First as a way to make managing gold more practical by keeping track of who owned the gold rather than actually moving the gold around, and eventually just doing away with gold altogether.

      Bitcoin fixes some of the advantages of gold, but it brings new problems of its own. Like the verification delay, and a fundamental limit on transaction processing rate. There are wallet sites that can sort all that out, if you are willing to trust your bitcoins to them... just like you once had to trust your gold to banks. History repeats.

    8. Re:This is a good use of Cryptocurrency by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      I don't understand why anyone would willingly use a currency like that.

      Because the alternative is worse, maybe ?

    9. Re:This is a good use of Cryptocurrency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While cryptocurrency as a valid backstop against incompetent governments is a great idea, a more technically proficient cryptocurrency, better designed for everyday transactions, would be a huge boon.

      Sure! There are over 700 currently available cryptocurrencies to chose from.

      The 6 Most Important Cryptocurrencies Other Than Bitcoin

      How about Litecoin? Litecoin is based on an open source global payment network that is not controlled by any central authority and uses "scrypt" as a proof of work, which can be decoded with the help of CPUs of consumer grade. Although Litecoin is like Bitcoin in many ways, it has a faster block generation rate and hence offers a faster transaction confirmation. Other than developers, there are a growing number of merchants who accept Litecoin.

      Read more: The 6 Most Important Cryptocurrencies Other Than Bitcoin? | Investopedia http://www.investopedia.com/tech/6-most-important-cryptocurrencies-other-bitcoin/#ixzz4kN8rboKX
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    10. Re:This is a good use of Cryptocurrency by MatthiasF · · Score: 1

      There's no worse alternative to a pyramid scheme hidden beneath obtuse concepts and over-hyped technology.

  16. To the people of Venezuela. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU...voted for this. No fucking complaining, OK?

    1. Re:To the people of Venezuela. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      YOU...voted for this. No fucking complaining, OK?

      Pre-Chavez Venezuela was one of the most unequal societies in the world. The dispossessed people that voted for him had little to lose (or so they thought). If nothing else, Chavez's legacy will be that the corrupt old order has been swept away.

    2. Re:To the people of Venezuela. by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 2

      Post chavez Venezuela is still one of the most unequal societies in the world (check out the chick related to chavez who became a billionaire while he was alive). Just a lot hungrier.

  17. Re:Sad they didn't do socialism enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump will do this to the US just like he did to VZ.

  18. $1.3 million... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...for a country as big as Venezuela, the 3rd largest oil producer in the world? I'd hardly call that "flocking." Along with the other petrostates, Venezuela has bigger problems ahead even with POTUS' attempts to shore up the ailing fossil fuels industry.

    1. Re:$1.3 million... by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 2

      An entire ocean separating them from Europe either, so they can't just go to Europe and call themselves climate refugees like the Africans either.

    2. Re:$1.3 million... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      ...for a country as big as Venezuela, the 3rd largest oil producer in the world?

      Their oil production has been dropping since the government takeover of the oil fields, and now they are #11 behind Brazil.

      Venezuela is basically an example of how to run a country hard into the ground. "Dios es Venezolano" but he's face-palming right now.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    3. Re:$1.3 million... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am going to hunt you and your family down.
      And I am going to show you how real trolling works.

    4. Re:$1.3 million... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol, Anonymous Coward for life!

  19. Dont forget the porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    There are always crazy Venezuelan gang bangs on chaturbate. They must be really desperate.

  20. Inflation plague by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    In the USA the central bankers are now arguing that their so called '2% inflation target' should be raised to a higher number because in their NSHO the country 'has been suffering from a low interest rate for a while', so they are saying it is OK to have a higher inflation targe for a while to 'even things out'.

    A bunch of modern voodoo black magic mambo jambo is being pushed from government propaganda channels, government has no idea what it's doing but of-course we cannot admit this, admitting this would finally mean the realization that government should not be manipulating the economy in the first place.

    Inflation that is not driven by any free market forces but that is being imposed upon an economy and the world by the desires of the central bankers and various government branches is a plague and this one has the power to destroy civilizations. Inflation is destruction of the money, it is the expansion of the money supply and under a central planning system it normally comes about by the inability of the system to sustain the high maintenance government that it amassed so now the inflation tax (theft via depreciation of the value of money) is imposed upon all who hold government controlled money and bonds.

    USA created so many dollars and bonds not backed by any form of production since the Federal reserve was given the power to monetize government debt that it caused a massive shift of productivity from its own shores elsewhere (especially China, but even Mexico and other countries), who absorbed USA inflation while building up their own productive capacity. USA was losing the productive capacity it built up while it used gold as money and had much smaller government than any other country of a comparable size back in the 19th century. Of-course once the pretence of any form of actual reserve behind the dollar was completely removed in 1971, when Nixon defaulted on the gold dollar the exodus of jobs and productivity accelerated by some enormous factor. This also helped to create the massive disparity between the wealthy and the poor, with the poor suffering disproportionately from the government inflation policy.

    Of-course in the West today inflation is mis-characterized as 'rising prices', however the correct definition of inflation is expansion of the money supply. Rising prices may result from that expansion but rising prices are a consequence of inflation, they are not the cause of it.

    I think the USA Federal reserve itself has fallen into its own propaganda trap, completely forgetting what inflation actually. The Fed believes it can control the economy via the monetary policy. In reality the Fed can only create more or less inflation and manipulate interest rates to a higher or a lower degree causing more or less damage to the overall economy.

    Inflation is not a good thing in the contracting economy and USA is a contracting economy. Deflation is not a bad thing in a contracting economy either, it is correlated with mal-investment failures and restructuring, so it is perceived as bad because people lose their jobs, however deflation also increases the value of savings and lowers prices, thus both reducing the economic impact on people who lose their jobs while increasing the value of the capital that can be used to restart the economy.

    The government sees deflation as a scary thing that reduces its nominal GDP, reduces its tax base and most importantly is correlated to lower quality of life through fewer jobs and closing businesses, so the government never wants to allow deflation to work its way through the economy clearing bad debts and reducing the burden of all the mal-investment in the system.

    All of these government fears find their way into the 'education' system (propaganda system) that teaches people the wrong lessons in history while destroying their ability to see reality and that's the real problem that we are facing today - a mis-educated population that doesn't understand anything related to economics.

    An economically illiterate population is easily manipulated into voting for collectivist regimes that can only cause more damage and eventually.... "Venezuelans Flock To Cryptocoins Amid Spiralling Inlflation"

    1. Re: Inflation plague by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Most savings are in the form of investments and real property and are simply not affected directly by inflation. They are only affected indirectly when government requires fiat currency as a means of exchange and inflation becomes large enough to make that difficult. It also becomes a problem when contracts are written using the assumption of a fixed rate of inflation or when institutions like banks get to set interest rates unilaterally and have near monopolies.

      Overall, inflation is not a big deal per se. It's rapid, unexpected changes in inflation that cause problems.

    2. Re: Inflation plague by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Inflation, like credit, is the double-edged sword of economics. You need it - a little inflation is vital for an economy to function, not least because it makes that credit available. If it isn't carefully controlled though, it can grow out of hand and destroy everything.

    3. Re: Inflation plague by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Inflation could run at 50% a year without any problems, as long as it was a guaranteed and steady 50% a year; people would simply do the math to translate monetary amounts over time and write contracts accordingly.

      The absolute level of inflation doesn't matter to the economy; what matters is unpredictable changes in the rate of inflation, either up or down.

    4. Re: Inflation plague by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      It couldn't, because such a high rate would make saving money impossible. No investments could possibly return a rate so high, so no bank could pay interest. As a result credit would be entirely unavailable, and anyone (business or individual) intending to maintain long-term wealth would do it by buying assets of consistent value. The retirement fund would return to being a stash of gold bars under the floorboards.

    5. Re: Inflation plague by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      "The retirement fund would return to being a stash of gold bars under the floorboards."

      Why would it have to be under the floorboards? The bank could pay you interest on your gold, in gold. Put in 1 ounce now, get back 1.07 ounces a year from now. Now you effectively have gold backed currency.

      Of course, when you convert that gold, you temporarily have to use money. So let's say your one ounce is worth b$1000 at the beginning of the year and inflation is 50%. At the end of the year it's worth b$1605. So the 7% gold interest is the same as 60.5% b$ interest. The bank certainly can afford to pay that because it could simply use gold internally.

      What makes that not work well isn't the level of inflation, it's that at big inflation rates, the future value of money becomes highly volatile and that inflation itself is hard to measure. The point is that the absolute level of inflation really doesn't matter. What matters is predictability of inflation; is simply happens that high inflation rates also usually mean high unpredictability in practice.

  21. everything that rises must converge by sheramil · · Score: 1

    "If you're going to be in something volatile, you might as well be in something that's volatile and rising than volatile and falling," says Ryan Taylor, chief executive officer of crypto currency Dash Core..

    Indeed. Just ask anyone from Zimbabwe, or Albania. (Disco Stu voice) "And if this trend continues... Eyyyyy!"

    1. Re:everything that rises must converge by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      What does Zimbabwe have to do with this? They did the exact opposite.

      --
      Ezekiel 23:20
  22. Venezuela has an artificial shortage of US Dollars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When oil prices plunged due to an expansion in world oil production capacity, Venezuela suffered shortages. Why? Clearly, capitalism fails to allocate resources efficiently.

    In particular, capitalism has imposed an artificial scarcity of US dollars. The best solution is to give every Venezuelan a basic income in dollars, funded on the Fed's balance sheet at zero cost to taxpayers.

    The US Dollar gets stronger the more there are. The Fed created $3.5 trillion after 2008 and despite predictions of hyperinflation, the dollar's international value has increased.

  23. Simply to be replaced... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...by an even more corrupt new order.

    1. Re:Simply to be replaced... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...by an even more corrupt new order.

      ...that are all equally miserable, excepting the Socialist elites.

  24. Huh? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    The article talks about massive inflation related to bitcoin as if it is a recent thing. The graphs in the article show interest started over a year ago, yet the traded value of the currency is on par with what it was this time last year after a brief 10% dip 60 months ago.

    What gives?

    1. Re:Huh? by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      The official exchange rate is fairly stable, but meaningless. The black market exchange rate is collapsing:
      https://www.bloomberg.com/news...

  25. Yeah, right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like it could help. Look, the situation is hopeless: if you're not Venezuelan and you are in Venezuela right now, run away while you still can. If you're a Venezuelan and not in Venezuela right now, do not go back, ever. If you're a Venezuelan in Venezuela, kill yourself: it's way better than what's in store for you. If you have a family, put them out of their misery before you do yourself in.

  26. Primitive prior art: Zimbabwe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Zimbabwe's solution to their hyperinflation is anything to go by, then "using a currency that is not under the control of the morons in government" should stabilise Venezuela. Wait until people go to jail for not using the official currency in transactions and not accepting their miserable lives as the government intended.

  27. Local currency by NewYork · · Score: 1

    Local currency is better than cryptocurrency