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Louisville's Fiber Internet Expansion Opposed By Koch Brothers Group (usatoday.com)

Slashdot reader simkel shared an article from the Courier-Journal: A group affiliated with the Koch brothers' powerful political network is leading an online campaign against Mayor Greg Fischer's $5.4 million proposal to expand Louisville's ultra-fast internet access... Critics argue that building roughly 96 miles of fiber optic cabling is an unnecessary taxpayer giveaway to internet service providers, such as Google Fiber, which recently announced plans to begin building its high-speed network in the city. "Fundamentally, we don't believe that taxpayers should be funding broadband or internet systems," said David Williams, president of the taxpayers alliance, which is part of industrialists Charles and David Koch's political donor network... The group says $5.4 million is a misuse of taxpayer funds when the city has other needs, such as infrastructure and public safety.
To shore up public support, the mayor has begun arguing that high-speed connectivity would make it cheaper to install crime-monitoring cameras in violent neighborhoods.

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  1. Because by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We've seen how well private industry does it. In the places where taxpayers fund the internet, you get gigabit speeds at rates around a quarter of what private industry offers for any internet service at all. Private industry might complain that it isn't "fair", but private industry won't step up and do it, either. And if life were "fair", you'd die penniless in the gutter after spending a lifetime enriching yourself by destroying the planet. So I'm not going to worry about that too much.

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  2. Kentukywired by Tailhook · · Score: 5, Informative

    Kentukywired intends to wire the whole state. The Kochs have strategically chosen to pick this fight in Louisville, a classic (D) run bed of corruption.

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  3. Re:The Left by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the city owns the fiber then they can rent it out to which ever operator that is interested in that area. Even two competing operators.

    The ones complaining the most about towns and cities running their own fibers are the ones that want to control the consumers the most.

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  4. Re:Ban money in politics by TWX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think we'll ever get there so long as the ability to spend money is legally considered protected speech.

    What we can do though, is to work to roll-back changes that basically defined corporations as entities entitled to spending this kind of money as freedom-of-speech.

    Unfortunately that means we have to play their game, form our own legal entities to do the speaking, to push for that change, and as we've seen they're a lot better than we are at organizing these kinds of things.

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  5. Re:The Koch brothers are evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They oppose government giveaways to rich corporations that aren't them.

  6. Re:The Left by TWX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They could even take the approach that was originally required for DSL, where you pay one entity for the physical infrastructure usage, and pay a different entity for the final connection to the backbone of the Internet.

    With modern routing you could even do it without having to result to changing physical patching, assuming that equipment used at the customer premises and at the network-equivalent of the neighborhood exchange or central office is capable of sub-line-rate service to the level that the customer is paying for and that the backbone linking NX or CO locations is sufficiently high-throughput.

    If anything this approach would allow for more players, not fewer players, as providers would only have to cable-in infrastructure to the central offices instead of worrying about the last-mile links. This could allow for less expensive private WANs between multiple facilities within the metro-area; the customer with multiple locations could pay for their own private metro optical MLPS network without having to to onto the Internet for simple site-to-site networks.

    Lastly it might make it easier for customers in less-desirable areas from a service-provider point of view to actually get service. This can affect both poor neighborhoods where an ISP might not expect enough adoption, and even some wealthier neighborhoods where the housing density is too low to make for a good return on the trenching or other infrastructure requirements to put the network in even if a lot of households want it.

    I don't see any losing proposition except for ISPs that want monopoly or effective-monopoly positions in markets.

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  7. Re:The Left by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In New Zealand, the government (in conjunction with a private company Chorus) is putting in Fibre to something like 90% of the population and high speed wireless elsewhere.

    ALL ISPs get to rent it out at the same price.
    We have tiers in pricing based on speed and data caps but a 100/20 is available with unlimited data for NZ$95 or less.
    Different ISPs offer different packages, i.e. free Netflix, Cheaper SkyTV, Local support, etc etc etc

    We have net neutrality, data is data no matter where it comes from.

    Here's the thing, the government is elected by the people, for the people. The taxes we pay SHOULD be benefiting us so the government putting in decent internet in this day and age IS what they are there for.

  8. Arguing over nickels by rbrander · · Score: 5, Interesting

    >The group says $5.4 million is a misuse of taxpayer funds

    Louisville is apparently 3/4 of a million people, so this comes to seven dollars per person. Surely less than 1% of anybody's property taxes. Louisville undoubtedly spends that on road maintenance every couple of weeks.
    But that's just operating, this is capital. If they're spending less than $54M replacing pavement and wires and pipes every year, the city would be a shambles. This is probably about a 2% hit on one year of capital spending.

  9. Re:Fuck you. by sit1963nz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Judging from your ignorance, I can see why the US education system is not ranked that high.

    The main overseas income earner for New Zealand is Tourism. Dairy is 2nd.

    Oh, I have Family who are Maori, and step kids who are Samoan, however I am unsure as to how what ethnic groups are in New Zealand makes a difference to broadband availability.

    New Zealand actually took a stand with Nukes, against pressure from Australia, the USA, England, France and to this day Nukes are still banned. Our armed forces are highly regarded around the world because we get along with anyone.

    Actually most of the noise about bad trade deals comes from the USA, Trump is especially loud on this.
    New Zealands economy is one of the most open in the world.We don't use huge tax payer subsides for our agriculture, unlike the USA where about 10% of famers income comes from subsidies.

    Monoculture means one culture, New Zealand has many cultural groups here, Maori, English , German, French, Samoan, Tongan, Chinese,etc etc etc etc. Again, US education system.
    Please tell me you are not one of the 7% of Americans who thinks Chocolate Milk comes from brown cows.

    And as for the size of our country, well in most things we out perform the expectations based on the population size.