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Intel Quietly Discontinues Galileo, Joule, and Edison Development Boards (intel.com)

Intel is discontinuing its Galileo, Joule, and Edison lineups of development boards. The chip-maker quietly made the announcement last week. From company's announcement: Intel Corporation will discontinue manufacturing and selling all skus of the Intel Galileo development board. Shipment of all Intel Galileo product skus ordered before the last order date will continue to be available from Intel until December 16, 2017. [...] Intel will discontinue manufacturing and selling all skus of the Intel Joule Compute Modules and Developer Kits (known as Intel 500 Series compute modules in People's Republic of China). Shipment of all Intel Joule products skus ordered before the last order date will continue to be available from Intel until December 16, 2017. Last time orders (LTO) for any Intel Joule products must be placed with Intel by September 16, 2017. [...] Intel will discontinue manufacturing and selling all skus of the Intel Edison compute modules and developer kits. Shipment of all Intel Edison product skus ordered before the last order date will continue to be available from Intel until December 16, 2017. Last time orders (LTO) for any Intel Edison products must be placed with Intel by September 16, 2017. All orders placed with Intel for Intel Edison products are non-cancelable and non-returnable after September 16, 2017. The company hasn't shared any explanation for why it is discontinuing the aforementioned development boards. Intel launched the Galileo, an Arduino-compatible mini computer in 2013, the Edison in 2014, and the Joule last year. The company touted the Joule as its "most powerful dev kit." You can find the announcement posts here.

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  1. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is it we have these news announcements that assume everyone already knows what "obscure technology X" is? I've been around for a while, and I have no idea what these development boards are in the slightest.

    Can someone please explain what these development boards are, and why this matters?

    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.google.com/

      now get off your lazy ass

    2. Re: Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does that say more about the newsfeed or you?

    3. Re: Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The newsfeed.

    4. Re: Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google is not answering the question of why I should care. Typically that's the value add from journalism.

    5. Re:Huh? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      If you don't know what something is, either you need to learn about it or ignore it.

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    6. Re:Huh? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Okay, but how is he supposed to know which of those two to do?

      Journalists used to tell you why something mattered or who it mattered to.
      Now they regurgitate press releases, government statements, and Tweets.

      If some celebrity tweets something and it "goes viral" Wolf Blitzer will provide around the clock coverage of the situation and there will be talking heads going on and on about it being part of the most important national conversation going on today.

    7. Re: Huh? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Guess you missed the 'critical thinking' value add from school, you lazy inattentive fuck.

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    8. Re: Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose you're suggesting the OP is too stupid to know if he is intrigued by something he knows little to nothing of and requires talking heads to tell him what to think.

      You're probably right. He (likely) is probably a millennial with the brain power of a cabbage.

    9. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who is Wolf Blitzer?

    10. Re:Huh? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      You have to admit that the topic is at least News for Nerds this time. Even if it doesn't intersect with your own interests.

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    11. Re: Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OPs obviously a Mac user and doesn't know what to do without some hive or collective telling them. Stories from un-curated sources only serve to deliver confusion to those people.

  2. When it's not an open platform, it'll probably die by spiritgreywolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not surprised Intel is doing this. When your competition for IoT devices includes widely available Arduino, Raspberry Pi and other simple, cheap boards with legions of followers? Embedded stuff is either going to COTS (Common Off The Shelf) stuff or very highly customized. At least that's my thought.

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  3. Re:When it's not an open platform, it'll probably by H3lldr0p · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Exactly. Why buy into an ecosystem that's not as flexible as the others. Did they offer superior documentation and support? Superior integration? Anything at all aside the brand?

    Guessing the bosses at the top want to retrench and focus on their server & consumer spaces now that AMD has shaken up the market once more. Despite this being a tiny space, I doubt it ever made enough money to justify the ongoing costs needed to crowd out all of the established open hardware.

  4. The end of the IoT road at Intel? by bettodavis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Good to remember that not long ago, Intel PR touted the IoT as the Next Big Thing and the company followed suit, with entire groups and people dedicated to having these products out the fab.

    These development platforms (the vehicle for having their IoT processors into product makers' hands) being now discontinued most likely means the sales were disappointing and that these groups probably are no more and there won't be any follow up.

    Which is not that surprising, giving Intel is used to earn a living from high margin products, not cheap stuff that needs to sell millions to make a margin.

    Seems like this market, like Mobile before it, will belong to ARM.

    1. Re:The end of the IoT road at Intel? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      When you get a CFO who is more interested in cost cutting than innovation, experiments like IoT that have yet to see profitability get shut down.

      The next round of layoffs is going to be all the IoT groups.

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    2. Re:The end of the IoT road at Intel? by timholman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      These development platforms (the vehicle for having their IoT processors into product makers' hands) being now discontinued most likely means the sales were disappointing and that these groups probably are no more and there won't be any follow up.

      I don't think there was ever any serious commitment to the Galileo platform at Intel.

      I was contacted by Intel in Dec. 2014 and asked if I wanted some free Galileo boards + Grove sensor kits to evaluate for academic use. It took them six months to ship the boards to me. Three times I emailed them, and each time a different person responded, because the previous contact had transferred to another group. After many apologies, I finally got the boards in June, but Intel had missed the window of opportunity for us to incorporate them into the 2015-16 labs, nor was there anything compelling enough in their specs to make any faculty want to try them out in place of Arduinos or BeagleBoards.

      Last August, I gave one of the Intel kits to my teaching assistant to evaluate for use in our electronics lab. His report to me was that the Galileo boards were unsuitable, as their slow I/O made them unusable for the D/A conversion experiments that we needed them for. My TA then checked and found out that Intel had dropped their academic program entirely, so he built a board using a standard Atmel processor instead.

      Given the huge amount of churn in Intel personnel working on Galileo, it was painfully obvious that their academic IoT push was doomed from the get-go. Intel still wants to sell $400 processors, not $2 IoT chips, and that is clearly where the internal prestige and employee rewards are being directly within the company.

    3. Re:The end of the IoT road at Intel? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

      they tried the Curie chip but it was a flop. arduino101 has no sales, no projects and the intel 'stack' is very nonstandard and has no traction with devels.

      their expensive boards were a yawn. good technically but WAY overpriced and, given intel's history, not trustable to be around for very long.

      I DEMAND AN 'UPDATE STORY' and also SHELF SPARES to be kept around at the vendor side for years. if not, then I have no faith in your 'platform'.

      intel needs to be broken up, like the old phone company. companies -can- be too big and intel is now one of them.

      fwiw, the 'blue pill' is the next big thing and intel lost out, entirely. you can pay well over $100 or you can pay $2. I know what I would do ;)

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    4. Re:The end of the IoT road at Intel? by Megane · · Score: 1

      fwiw, the 'blue pill' is the next big thing and intel lost out, entirely. you can pay well over $100 or you can pay $2. I know what I would do ;)

      I bought 20 of the bluepill boards a few months ago when they were mentioned on Hackaday. I plan to use them for small USB HID device projects, and I already have one working with mbed code (the CPU is equivalent to one on an ST Nucleo board) and an ST-Link v2. I've been working with STM32 since 2010, so it's like bread and butter to me, especially the F103.

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    5. Re:The end of the IoT road at Intel? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I think that for IoT, things like RISC-V or OpenRISC might have a chance, since they are open as well. Such systems might be complete FPGAs w/ RISC-V cores in them, in an SoC configuration, which would be usable for IoT purposes.

  5. Probably because they're crap (the Edison) by claytongulick · · Score: 5, Informative

    I mean, on paper the specs are great, but I've actually done projects with these things and they're seriously junk. They burn out if you look at them wrong. Additionally, they have a 1.8v gpio level, so there's basically zero chance that you can use any other peripheral without level shifting.

    I've talked to a lot of other folks about them as well, they have a terrible reputation in the maker community.

    And they're expensive.

    So yeah, I'm not surprised. I abandoned them after a single project, like most other folks I know.

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    1. Re:Probably because they're crap (the Edison) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That' true they're expensive, but I'am bit surprised to find out that they are not really of good quality or design.

    2. Re:Probably because they're crap (the Edison) by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "they have a terrible reputation in the maker community"

      Well, duh. Anyone with a basic idea of electronics knows this is too much shit for a simple task.

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  6. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To bad. This mean less competition, less choices for the users.

    1. Re:Hmmm by queazocotal · · Score: 1

      This assumes they were meaningful and actual competition.
      The documentation was bad, the prices were uncompetitive, and this lead to ~0 market share.

    2. Re:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few days ago I saw some tutorials made by Sparkfun about few Intel's IoT devices and they were presented as something exceptionally good.

    3. Re:Hmmm by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 1

      SparkFun sold these products. Do you think you were going to get a critical review about this product from one of their larger resellers? Of course SparkFun is going to present them as something exceptionally good. The purpose of those videos to to advertise the products in them.

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  7. Please explain "level shifting" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know anything; please explain the following:

    Additionally, they have a 1.8v gpio level, so there's basically zero chance that you can use any other peripheral without level shifting.

    1. Re:Please explain "level shifting" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      I don't know anything; please explain the following:

      Additionally, they have a 1.8v gpio level, so there's basically zero chance that you can use any other peripheral without level shifting.

      Nobody here wants to teach you basic electronics. Do the research yourself, lazy fucker.

    2. Re:Please explain "level shifting" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Arduinos typically represent logical bits using 5 volts. When purchasing devices that work with Arduinos (such as sensors) manufacturers will develop those sensors to communicate using 5 volts as well. Raspberry PIs actually use 3.3v to represent bits, so you'll often see manufacturers develop both 5v and 3.3v versions of devices. Level-shifters are the equivalent of adapters - they sit between two devices that use separate voltage levels to exchange data and "shift" them to the correct voltage.

      So, if Intel's boards use 1.8v, this makes it harder to use existing sensors and other devices made for PIs and Arduinos.

    3. Re:Please explain "level shifting" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe GPIO voltage can be as high as 5 Volts (5V counting as 1 in binary, ~0V counting as zero). Raspberry Pi has GPIO voltage of 3.3V, so I just assume that's closer to the standard. 1.8V might not register correctly?

    4. Re:Please explain "level shifting" by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It means that the GPIO is not

      I don't know anything; please explain the following: GPIO

      A GPIO is a general-purpose input/output

      I don't know anything; please explain the following: input/output

      An input/output pin is

      I don't know anything; please explain the following: pin

      I give up. Go read stuff on MSNBC, reddit or somewhere else.

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    5. Re:Please explain "level shifting" by sexconker · · Score: 1

      GPIO means general-purpose input/output.
      A GPIO pin is simply a pin you can connect to and do I/O with.

      Typically, you connect these to other components to do whatever stuff you need to do. But they need to agree on voltage levels.

      I don't do any of this shit, but if Intel went against the grain and requires a voltage that no one else uses, it would be a moderate pain in the ass to connect to their GPIO pins.

    6. Re:Please explain "level shifting" by Khyber · · Score: 0

      AKA basic electronics that any regular visitor to this board should know. In fact, it's one of the most basic pieces of electrical knowledge out there. Anyone asking that question on this board likely does not belong here.

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    7. Re:Please explain "level shifting" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's clear things are going the 3.3v way and only the 'old' arduinos are 5v. Everything new is 3.3, including the amazing esp8266 based devices that everyone flocking too because they're fast and cheap and have wifi built in.

      (Granted the 'old' arduinos are incredibly mature, well documented, inexpensive, and more than enough for simple projects which is why they stick around.)

      Frankly, the transition is just another learning opportunity. Just picked up 10 i2c safe level shifters for 3 bucks shipped on ebay. :)

    8. Re:Please explain "level shifting" by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      I noticed several times in discussions on social media that people who designed boards and systems didn't understand basic EE and how transistors work. Maybe they should leave that to people who know what they're doing? I shudder thinking about how they'll do with harder subjects like transmission lines.

    9. Re:Please explain "level shifting" by unixisc · · Score: 1

      One thing, though: if cost & power are important to IoT, like they usually are to embedded systems, wouldn't they have all moved to at least 3.3V by now? I used to be in the Flash memory business up to 10 years ago, and while we'd initially sell 5V flash, the market moved completely to 3V - from things like PCs to optical drives and the like. I'm surprised to read that Arduino, or any other ARM based embedded system, would still be at 5V, when the rest of the stuff is at 3.3V

      By being at 1.8V, Intel may be ahead of the curve, but I recall that it was in the 90s that Steve Fuhber, then of ARM, was quoted in Byte as associating the voltage that a 1.5V battery has when it's near dead - which is 0.9V. So 1.8V - which would be ideal for 1-2 batteries, could support such systems more optimally than the 3.3V. I know that the market moves slowly, but I'm surprised that the embedded market is still at 3.3V, much less 5V.

    10. Re:Please explain "level shifting" by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Underlying point being that the voltage of the IO's can be different from the Vcc levels, w/ internal chip level shifters. This is done if most of the off-the-shelf components are still at a different voltage than the chip in question

    11. Re:Please explain "level shifting" by dmbasso · · Score: 1

      Great attitude, Mr. Khyspergers'. [/sarcasm tag for the *obviously* impaired]

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  8. Re:When it's not an open platform, it'll probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    Subject . Regarding poor quality of your products and pathetic support services.

    I regret to say that i had a bad experience purchasing your so called Hp Omni 10 5601w tablet. At first i was facing an issue with touchscreen fuctionality. It wasnt working at all. I had to restart the tablet several times to make it respond to touch atleast once. As i had 2 years of warranty i was able to get it repaired. The service team told me that it was fixed so i took it back and later i came to know that it wasnt fixed at all. Maybe they did a temporary fix. Later i gave it to them again and they did the same. It was working for somedays and again stopped working. Later i had to go abroad so i took it along with me so i clould get it repaired there. But what they told me was my warranty is expired even though i could show them online warranty is till there. They were asking for bill which i didnt carry with me. I tried every method to get it fixed but nothing worked at all. Now my warranty is expired. I feel cheated.
    I came to know that many people were facing the same touch screen issue. I feel bad for them. If you knew eveyone faced the same issue you could have recalled or replaced the tablet. I was a loyal customer of hp. Previously i had 2 hp laptops which was amazing. Now i just came to know that hp is not a quality brand anymore. So no more hp laptops unless they find a solution to my problem.

    I had to post it all again as i was told i would get a reply from hp support team but i didnt. Going with hp was the worst decision. Thats how i feel now.

    Regards
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  9. Good. They are crap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ordered a Galileo when it was first released. Work at first, and it remained unused in my lab ever since. When I wanted to actually do something with it a year later, I discovered that it has been bricked. I tried flashing the firmware among a couple of other tricks I found online, but nothing brought it back to life.

    Fortunately, Intel replaced it with a Galileo gen.2 for free. Again, I left that in the lab for a year and a half unused, since I didn't need it at the time. When I finally wanted to do something with it a year and a half later, I discovered that it, too, has become completely undetectable. It was opened, but NEVER BEEN USED! And it bricked! (Assuming intel did not send me a bricked board to begin with.)

    Those boards seem to be extremely badly designed. I make longer-lasting prototypes at my home lab.

    1. Re:Good. They are crap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have Windows 10? Win10 is known to brick many other development boards too which have simple USB mass storage interface.

  10. crapflooding by hired goons on /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    last few days the usual madison.ave..gov agenda overkill phuck & cover... nothing new... beware falling gargoyles...

  11. Replacements? by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 2

    Isn't it also possible that they will be announcing and releasing a new product before December 31st?

    1. Re: Replacements? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Would you trust a new intel iot thing for making a product if they announced end of life of this one within two years of launch? That is very fast, even when compared to something as volatile as smartphone cpus

    2. Re:Replacements? by bettodavis · · Score: 2

      Possible, but in that case, don't you make the announcement of the replacement(s) first, then you discontinue the replaced products. To avoid this kind of misunderstandings.

    3. Re: Replacements? by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      If the old thing is x86 and the new thing is x86, the internals won't really matter.

    4. Re:Replacements? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Isn't it also possible that they will be announcing and releasing a new product before December 31st?

      Oh I hope it's a CPU. It's very likely that they realised while they were chasing other businesses and resting on their laurels, and while AMD stole their lunch they realised they have done crap all in the CPU market.

    5. Re:Replacements? by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      Possible, but Microsoft has discontinued tons of products to much gnashing of teeth only to release the replacement a month a later.

    6. Re:Replacements? by AltCtlDel · · Score: 1

      Probably not before the end of the year, but this seems to be part of their routine. Back in the 80s, Intel had the general purpose 8051 micro-controller (and the 8048 that was in the IBM PC keyboard interface). They killed it off to focus on x86 products. Then in the late 1990s or early 2000s, they released an ARM micro-controller (XScale). That lasted a few years and they killed it off to focus on their x86 stuff. At least this time, they tried to make micro-controllers out of the x86 architecture.

    7. Re:Replacements? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They also had the 80386EX in the 90s.

    8. Re:Replacements? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      really? not aware of MS ever doing that, new versions of their products are normally announced months or years in advance of killing a product, especially wince MS products generally have 5 or 10 year support lifecycles.

  12. Quietly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The chip-maker quietly made the announcement last week.

    You can't "make an announcement" quietly. What were they supposed to do, accompany the announcement with a song & dance number? Take out a full-page add in the NY Times? Bribe some on-line "nerd" news site?

    1. Re:Quietly? by sexconker · · Score: 3, Informative

      Standard procedure for bad news is to post it to your press/corporate site on a Friday, but not actively tell anyone.
      Standard procedure for good news (or new product news), is to hint, tease, and preannounce, then reveal early in the week with announcements on the press/corporate site, emails to journalists, branding and news "articles" on the main site, etc. Throw in some reviewers / tech "journalists" who are suckling at your teat and willing to sign NDAs and you'll have tons of coverage ready to go when you want it.

  13. Posting AC Obviously. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I may or may not work for the vendor of these products.
    I may or may not have had a hand in designing the chips.
    I purchased a Galileo to mess with. After all, I know the chips quite well.

    It was utterly unusable. I couldn't even light the LED. The documentation was a walkthrough of how to light the LED, but it didn't work. Involved in this was a whole software layer to make the native hardware interfaces look like some other board at the API level, which was obviously daft if you are trying to get people to know and understand the chip, so they choose to design it into products. I failed to crack through this layer of obfuscation before I gave up and did something more productive.

    1. Re:Posting AC Obviously. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I may or may not work for the vendor of these products.
      I may or may not have had a hand in designing the chips.

      No wonder they turned out to be complete turkeys if Intel's employees can't even remember who they work for, or what they do there.

    2. Re:Posting AC Obviously. by caffeinated_bunsen · · Score: 2

      Thanks for trying. Edison was an amazing little chunk of hardware for certain purposes (mine was low-power systems that interfaced to things with proprietary x86 drivers), but it always felt like it was one hardware guy's pet project that nobody in the software department gave half a rotten rat's ass about.

      The crap they had instead of tech support was a legendary middle finger to the customers. A bunch of clueless, barely-English-literate drones who did nothing but reply to your post about something wrong the docs by telling you where you can download those same docs, or with "We are aware of that issue. There is no ETA for a fix."

      The part I could never understand was their compulsion to mangle and mutilate a 500 MHz, 64 bit, dual core PC until it looked like an 8 bit, 16 MHz microcontroller's retarded cousin. I'm guessing it had something to do with layer upon layer of misunderstanding management, but it must have taken a monumental tower of pointy hair to create that clusterfuck.

      I'd be curious to hear about the internal mismanagement that led to the utter failure of the products, if such things may or may not be able to leak out.

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    3. Re:Posting AC Obviously. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I may or may not work for the vendor of these products.
      I may or may not have had a hand in designing the chips.

      No wonder they turned out to be complete turkeys if Intel's employees can't even remember who they work for, or what they do there.

      You don't seem to know how plausible deniability works.

    4. Re:Posting AC Obviously. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Edison is amazing, really. If they would have allowed Zephyr to run on the built-in MCU it would have been just perfect. For industrial devices with USB, BT, Wifi, Ethernet. The performance of the processor is like 10x faster than any CPU, yet you only need to route the few pins on the connector, almost everything is inside the module.

      And kernel support has been upstreamed for the most important parts, in 4.11.

      I really hope they don't let this effort go to waste.

  14. Re:When it's not an open platform, it'll probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't forget RISC-V, which is not only open, but elegant and designed for extensibility. There is already extensive industry support behind it, and the scent of inevitability. Available cores are already substantially more power and area efficient than similar ARM chips, and need not be licensed.

    Offerings are fairly basic today, but in time features will grow in, and higher end cores will become available. I wouldn't be surprised if AMD shelved Seattle and adapted the effort for RISC-V instead.

  15. Re: When it's not an open platform, it'll probably by gigne · · Score: 4, Informative

    This sums up my experience.
    http://hackaday.com/2017/06/19...

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  16. Thanks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you, kind person.

  17. Why did they even bother? by erapert · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What's so pathetic about this is that they basically pulled a Microsoft-and-mobile on this.

    Arduino, BBB, and RPi had already been out for years before Intel finally figured out that there was a market there.
    Then, when they finally got off their butts they came to the party with a stupidly overpriced offering that didn't fit with the existing ecosystem.
    Why did they even try doing their own thing at all instead of helping to improve what already existed? For example, why not work with ODROID to put Intel chips on their boards instead of ARM?

    This whole thing was stupid and ham-fisted on Intel's part-- whoever the exec was that made the decision should get a stern talking-to.

    This also matches up with Intel's flailing in response to AMD's recent surge (sad as it was that AMD was on the ropes for so long).

    1. Re:Why did they even bother? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      What else were they going to do?

      I mean it's not like they have any competition in the CPU market so why bother working on a CPU. Find another way to make money. It's like Microsoft. They don't have any competition in the OS market, so why bother working on an OS.

      This is standard for a huge company with a monopoly. Rest on laurels until someone comes along and pulls the rug from under them.

    2. Re:Why did they even bother? by erapert · · Score: 1

      Ok, I agree with you. Getting into IoT seemed like the right move for them.
      What I'm really saying is "If they were going to half-ass it like they did then why did they even bother?".

    3. Re:Why did they even bother? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Actually, they do have serious competition in the CPU market. THEMSELVES. They can't push their shit b'cos their previous shit was so good that nobody needs to replace it. Hence, the need to hunt for new markets.

      But another good business plan for Intel might be to become a TSMC or Samsung, and start fabbing chips for Qualcomm and others.

  18. Probably because they had no documentation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The biggest reason discussed is NO DOCUMENTATION!

  19. Not surpised by WarlockD · · Score: 1

    I would hope that the whole reason they are discontinuing these products is the realization on how they don't even compete with the arm products out there. Hell the ESP8266 showed that people will even tolerate a realistically unknown CPU instruction set, locked in firmware and a horrific manufacture SDK. It all doesn't matter if you just sell it cheap enough. So why, if Intel, wanted to compete, just slap on an atom and bare bones chips to make an IOT with a price that guarantees no one will use.

    They NEED to make a RISC like chip using 3.3V using their fab plant tech and they can blow the lid off ARM. Hell, even just optimize the original Pentium core with some SIMD extensions would of been enough. If you keep in real mode, include a VGA compatible display core with drawing acceleration, you can be sure hackers will come out of the wood work do do all kinds of crazy stuff.

    IoT might end up being in the hands of corporations, but it was the hobbyist that pushed it at the start.

    PS As a side not, does anyone know the external component requirements for an Atom? Most arm chips, even A9's and the such require very little in the way of reset/clock circuits.

    1. Re:Not surpised by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      "Hell, even just optimize the original Pentium core"

      Quark is in fact a P54C.

    2. Re:Not surpised by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Ain't 3.3V rather old by now, particularly given how low power replaced high performance requirements at least a decade ago? Also, what voltage are chips like RISC-V or ARM? 3.3V?

  20. Re:When it's not an open platform, it'll probably by ArchieBunker · · Score: 4, Informative

    The pi uses binary blobs. It's intent was to be cheap for students, not an open source platform.

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  21. Re:When it's not an open platform, it'll probably by Khyber · · Score: 1

    So where in your thought process dd you fail to think "Intel is probably one of the kings of COTS equipment"?

    Cuz I got news for you, the 386 while discontinued is still a hot-shit selling item for embedded shit.

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  22. The Joule is an interesting kill. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    I am a trifle surprised to see the Joule among the dead.
    The others were hopeless: too cut down(in terms of 'IBM PC' stuff), for x86 compatibility to be of much use, notably lousy at GPIO twiddling compared to microcontrollers or devices like the TI ARM part in the Beaglebone; but at least they were expensive!

    The 'Joule', though was a stock Atom part, plus some RAM, Flash, and a NIC in a little computer on module. Not based on some weirdo part; and allowed you to drop a more or less standard Atom based system into something without consuming much space. I'd be curious to know if it died because existing SoM vendors do it better, and Intel decided to stop flailing around and upsetting them; or because lack of interest in x86 for anything that doesn't either involve a small off the shelf motherboard(for onceoffs) or 10 zillion custom motherboards (for laptops and such) is just that dismal.

  23. Openness has nothing to do with it by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    No one really cares how open a platform is. The winners of the IoT hobby world are not interested in "open". The Raspberry Pi famously runs an ARM core that is buried under NDAs and binary blobs.

    The winners in this field are determined by ecosystems and communities. The Arduino platform is quite a poor performer and their libraries were famously crap, to say nothing of the god-aweful IDE compared to AVR studio, or the stupid design decision that lead to one set of pins being off centre locking out a whole lot of potential applications. Yet they are undeniably a ruler in the field, not because of their faults, but because of their ecosystem (a boatload of addonboards with that horrible pin spacing) and their community (almost an endless set of example libraries while inefficient none the less easy enough for a non-programmer to use.

    The Edison was DOA without an incredibly wide range of off the shelf things to bolt onto it that any idiot could use.

    1. Re:Openness has nothing to do with it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      complete VideoCore docs were released February 2014.

    2. Re:Openness has nothing to do with it by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Beaglebone could have been another option. In addition to the usual linux sources, Minix was also ported to it, so that would be a fantastic platform to build on

  24. Re:When it's not an open platform, it'll probably by ckatko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To add onto your post,

    When I was in college, I backed/bought a 3rd party board. It was faster than Arduino but pin compatible. It was before there were so many options but the experience is still applicable.

    I bought it, and ran into problems. The hardware was fine but the SOFTWARE chain had problems crashing the IDE, and flashing/detecting the serial port. It was a pain in the ass. "Go online and search for a fix" doesn't actually work when: There's like 10 people at the company and

    Another slap to the face? I realized I had bought a "Beta" board. They said it could have problems but it was tested and sound. The problem? They then produced the "official" board which wasn't pin or software compatible with the Beta board.

    So I spent $60-80... on a paperweight that can't be programmed.

    Additionally, there are zero 3rd party tutorials, almost zero forums with knowledge of the device. It's almost impossible to crowdsource a problem with it.

    Another problem? Just like Intel here, what happens if the product is discontinued or no longer supported by the company?

    I've learned the hard way that you're not buying a product, you're buying a PLATFORM. And the platform (documentation, official and third-party support, hardware, and more?) needs to be heavily entwined in your cost/benefit calculations. It can't just be "speed vs cost."

    As I've looked for better Arduino and Raspberry Pi's, I've consistently applied that logic and found zero viable alternatives. Even if they could compete on cost, they can't compete on TIME investment. There are thousands of arduino/pi tutorials. Good official documentation. Thousands of active programmers to assist you and over a decade of toolchain support.

    I've been learning the D language over the last year or two. I love it (except the garbage collector which adds an additional entire dimension to crash solving). Otherwise, it's pretty amazing (so much so the C++ committee adds features that D had for over a decade). They have one great forum and StackOverflow probably can solve it. But that's kind of it. There aren't dozens of _maintained_ D XML parsing libraries. Dozens of JSON libraries. Dozens of game programming libraries. Dozens of X/Y/Z libraries. In C and C++ you have your pick of the litter. Any possible question, no matter how niche, has a C/C++ library. Library for the reverse engineered Kinect2 sensor? Yep. But while D can interface cleanly with C, it doesn't support C++. And that's a huge flaw because it cuts you off from basically "Almost every library ever written" in the last three decades. Programming in D is a delight, but you HAVE to re-invent the wheel for things that come for free in C/C++. So I've been very hesitant to switch over completely to D. What happens if the community dies out? Do I really want to write a hobby game in a dead language? (There is a fork of LLVM based LDC, Calypso, which integrates Clang with LDC for C++ support. And it's a highly watched project. But it's even more niche. Do I hedge my game on an almost-niche language, with a niche fork of a compiler that is 300 commits behind the official LDC branch? What if I run into a bug that is solved in the new branch but not the fork? I'm relying on a lot of guys charity work in my build chain.)

    So if I can distill all my points down to one: "For production, buy what's popular--not what's clever."

  25. Re:When it's not an open platform, it'll probably by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Nope, in fact Intel had the crappiest support and documentation available. Almost nobody used their stuff.

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  26. sku by dohzer · · Score: 1

    SKUs

  27. Any alternatives? by WalrusSlayer · · Score: 1

    I'm not heavily invested in this platform except over the past couple of years I've had a fetish for the Sparkfun blocks and "any day now" was going to open up some time to use it in a custom board for a side gig, or worst case, resume fodder. So I've got 5-6 of them laying around, the big breakout and the little breakout, and as I said, a bunch of red prototyping boards.

    At this point I don't know how I'm going to justify experimenting with all the kit I've accumulated. For all the flaws in the product---mostly unit cost, and as everyone has said, support, documentation, and no ecosystem---I really like the little thing

    So what's the alternative? My low-volume custom board needed to be portable (i.e., LiPo), low power, small, have USB connectivity, and while the Wifi wasn't required it simplifies at lot of the requirements. That Bluetooth is on there is not useful, but could be at some point. The closest competitor, the Pi Compute Module, has significant complications. It's not optimized for low power. Network has to be added externally. Battery-aware power management is roll-your-own, right down to how a soft power button gets handled. From what I see on the datasheet, it's up to you to supply VBAT, 3.3, and 1.8, and it's important the order and timing in which they come up. Lots of stuff to reinvent, whereas the biggest glue-logic issue with the Edison was level-shifting to 3.3V and 5V.

    What else is this small, has Wifi/BT baked in, is easy to deploy on a battery, and runs Linux? It's a serious question

    1. Re:Any alternatives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know much about battery management but Vortex86EX and Vortex86DX3 might be in some way the closest things to the now canceled Intel little boards and chips.
      The EX requires i486/i586 linux, the DX3 I don't know if it supports i686. They're rather "IBM PC compatible", enough to boot and run things (I toyed with the Vortex86MX laptop and it ran debian wheezy with no special consideration).
      That's right, it's an x86 vendor that's not Intel or AMD, a pretty rare thing - it descends from the Rise MP6 CPU, that was followed by the SiS 550 SoC.

      No wifi or BT but the SoC supports wired ethernet. It also support one lane of PCIe so a small board with one miniPCIe slot is a possibility. (and thus, mini PCIe wifi or wifi/BT but well I don't know exactly if that works)

    2. Re:Any alternatives? by WalrusSlayer · · Score: 1

      Well, I don't really give a rats ass about x86, and especially don't care about compatibility with PC software or hardware. The closest alternative is the Pi (which is ARM), and perhaps if the Yun came in a smaller form factor (which is MIPS). And for my purposes the GPU on the Pi just adds cost and power consumption.

      The power of the Edison is in its form factor, low power consumption, built-in battery support, USB, and wireless. That plus a good mix of compute cores---two medium-strength cores for Linux plus a lightweight real-time core.

  28. Re:When it's not an open platform, it'll probably by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

    Kind right, kinda wrong.

    I own every Intel device mentioned, and just about every other damn variant of IoT processing boards from complex devices with operating systems, down to the bare bones Atmel and PIC micro driven ones. The Intel boards are pretty damn wonderful. I never thought they'd be around for long though- the margins on those things just aren't what Intel is in the business for. The maker market is way too small for them.

    That being said, the chips that power the said Intel maker boards sell in *droves* in commercial applications (Intel's IoT division has a multi-billion dollar revenue). If they did this to demo their chips to the guys who do this stuff for a living (this is how I get my hands on these things), I'd say they succeeded, because the Quark SOCs are nice as hell, and the Atom/Quark combo chips simply can't be competed against by most ARMs (With the exception of some TI parts like the Sitara with its PRUs)

    Intel just isn't the right kind of company to succeed in the Maker market, but I will miss the availability of their processors on clean and cheap development boards.

  29. Re:When it's not an open platform, it'll probably by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    Which might actually have been a dire warning for the people at Intel behind the Galileo and Edison devices: Both were x86; but violated enough legacy-PC expectations that the OS(es, did anyone aside from Intel's Linux branch get interested?) had to be ported; and any of the old 'basically uses DOS as an RTOS by ignoring it for time critical stuff' x86 applications were unlikely to work; plus reports on the quality of the documentation range from 'frustrating' to 'dire'.

    386s, by contrast, are markedly slower; but are pretty exhaustively documented and supported at this point; and their behavior hasn't changed in ages, so your expensive legacy software and/or system design doesn't have to either.

    These offerings were too novel to just inherit support by carefully copying a prior design(or at least its software facing behavior); didn't have a solid attempt to compensate for that with quality support and documentation; and once those factors dragged it down into the morass of eccentric SoCs with slightly shaky Linux BSPs, just being able to run x86 code in userspace applications wasn't enough of an advantage to offset the relatively high price and areas of mediocrity(reasonably high speed GPIO, in particular, was...not impressive).

    They might have actually done better if they had offered a 'DOSbox SoC' or something that, from the software side, slavishly replicated the behavior of a Pentium Pro and whatever chipset was most popular in a single chip, just faster. Instead, they broke with the past far enough to require a fair amount of support; then didn't provide it; which doesn't exactly command a premium price among random application processor SoCs.

  30. Re:When it's not an open platform, it'll probably by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 2

    Galileo gave a 400mhz x86 with Arduino compatible I/O. It also had a solid FPU and true potential to be the ultimate core of 3d printers. If only they did Mega version, it would have been fantastic. And honestly, the FPU performance was something quite beautiful. Combined with an FPGA board, this device was a thing of absolutely beauty.

    I know it's not allowed on Slashdot to say nice things about Intel or Microsoft, but to be honest, I like the x86/Visual Studio platform when it comes to development. I suppose that I should try an ARM based Arduino out, I don't expect there's any real difference between the ARM and the x86 platform for anything that matters when developing these projects and Visual Studio is the same.

  31. Re:When it's not an open platform, it'll probably by Megane · · Score: 1

    I've learned the hard way that you're not buying a product, you're buying a PLATFORM.

    This is one of the reasons that I've stuck with the mbed platform. From the time five-ish years ago that an NXP rep left behind an NXP-1768 MBED at my work (fuck the 1st gen LPCXpressos that he left too, their debug interfaces sucked, and not worth working around), I found a good paradigm of using C++ that I was able to apply to my own embedded coding at work. Best of all, it was system-agnostic (programmed via copying a binary to a USB filesystem), which meant it didn't require Windows, like so many micro-controller development systems did back then, and many still do, so I was able to use it with OS X at home.

    Now I have a bunch of different boards that support it, with many different pinouts (some Arduino-compatible), including so-called "bluepill" boards that cost as little as $2 each from China, all running ARM Cortex M, not AVR. I ended up with a couple of boards with AVR/Arduino hardware, but I don't even have the Arduino IDE installed.

    But I have to say that though you may be having fun with it, D sounds like a bit of a dead end. It's very hard for a new programming language to gain traction, if only because half its users may jump to the next shiny new language in a couple of years. It's even worse for micro-controllers, where C/C++ is king, with only a few crazy MicroPython users and PIC assembly die-hards skittering around the rafters .

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  32. Re: When it's not an open platform, it'll probably by Megane · · Score: 1

    I read that this morning, and I'm going to have to agree.

    - Documentation was too hard to get, even for people who knew Intel engineers. (apparently the specific example was trying to use DMA with SPI) China gets away with a lot of poor documentation because their stuff is so cheap.

    - That damn connector may be amazingly compact, but that it also made it hard to work with. It had a limited selection of base boards unless you had a PCB engineer who could design a custom one, so you usually end up with more than you needed. And it wasn't designed for multiple connects/disconnects like you would want in a maker product. The usefulness of 0.1" pin headers can not be underestimated.

    - Its main purpose seemed to be a bull-headed "x86 in everything because x86!" attitude, even in applications with no inherent need for an x86 architecture. Their domination of the consumer market made them over-confident.

    - Making boards with all the bells and whistles, and then some, drove the price of entry way up. This cuts out the low-end community support beyond students who get free or heavily-discounted units. And in fact, that was exactly who I saw with Edison-based projects at maker faires. Before Arduino, it was common to cram demo boards with various other chips, but that brought the board cost up. The emergence of a standard "shield" pin-out let those other chips move to daughterboards. Intel was clearly still stuck in the old metaphor. Most micro-controller boards now are in the $10-$20 range, more if it runs Linux, less if you get generic Chinese stuff.

    It's like a perfect study in how not to get the maker community interested in your product.

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  33. Re:When it's not an open platform, it'll probably by WalrusSlayer · · Score: 1

    Intel just isn't the right kind of company to succeed in the Maker market, but I will miss the availability of their processors on clean and cheap development boards.

    Sigh, yeah. I think the Atom/Quark combo on the Edison had tremendous potential. The Atom running Linux for the heavy lifting (yet has full access to the I/O), and the Quark for the 10% of the things that actually need to be real-time. Nice.

    Sparkfun did a lot to overcome the prototyping problem introduced by that damned connector, but I think Intel lost the war in terms of perceptions. Any Maker-class guy takes one look at that connector and wonders how in the hell he's going to overcome that hurdle, and Intel's two solutions to that were way off base. The small breakout wasn't breadboard-friendly and still had to be level-shifted, good luck with that. The Arduino dev board is overwrought has no target audience that I can understand. Using an Edison to interface to Arduino-class hardware misses the point entirely. Anyone sufficiently unsophisticated to only be comfortable in the Arduino space is not going to get very far with Yocto, and loses the benefit of the Edison if they limit themselves to the Arduino emulation layer. Anyone sophisticated enough to appreciate the Edison's architecture probably doesn't care about being able to connect a shield to it.

    Then there's the culture. Reading Intel's datasheets on these things drives home with a sledgehammer that this is a Big Iron company. There was probably no hope of bridging the divide between that and the Maker community. I liked the hardware enough to want that to somehow not be true, but alas.

    I was really hoping something would gain traction. Solve the byzantine Yocto problem. Make the learning curve easier, either with more accessible docs, or mature out of the dysfunctional support into a more robust ecosystem. Drop the price point, even by $10. Something.

    As you say, it's not cool on Slashdot to like anything Intel or Microsoft does, but I was excited about the potential of this board. It's both sad and maddening that they would walk away from it in only two years.

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  35. Re:When it's not an open platform, it'll probably by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Not just that, there ain't any added value in having any of the modern CPUs, like Atom, for instance, in such a box. One does not need multiple cores, MMX or SSI instructions, and it helps that the 386 just has some 100+ pins as opposed to 400+ pins. 16 bit is probably inadequate for embedded systems, but 32-bit is perfect, and doesn't need to go 64-bit, which is what modern Intel CPU architectures are.

    Incidentally, are all the 386 patents still active, or have they expired? If the latter, any fabless design house could design an SOC in an FPGA using a 386 core, and have something that would be very useful to the market. One thing I'd change though - enable it to support up to 2GB of RAM, and whatever the upper limit was for a 386 based PC. Such a thing, at the low end, could have 1MB of RAM and run FreeDOS, and at the high end, could do, say, a Windows 95 or 98. I won't go so far as to put any NT based OS on this. It could however have either Linux or Minix (is Linux still there in 32-bit? FreeBSD seems to have gone fully 64-bit, w/ no looking behind)

  36. Re:When it's not an open platform, it'll probably by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    I think that SiS' old 486-to-pentium-ish designs are carrying on as Vortex86. If they aren't now; they were until comparatively recently.

    On the FPGA side, there is ao486. Don't know much about it; but seems similar to what you have in mind.

  37. Re:When it's not an open platform, it'll probably by Dwedit · · Score: 1

    RISC-V needs to branch a lot more than instruction sets with conditional instructions, and that would mess with pipelines and such.

  38. Saw the Genuino 101 too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While checking the discontinued product DB I saw reference to the Genuino 101. Just a hickup, seems its referring to a batch of boards only. I wonder if this is going to have any impact in the Curie processor.

    The 101 & Curie module are really nice products and I am having good time using them with zephyr OS.

  39. Re:When it's not an open platform, it'll probably by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

    Sigh, yeah. I think the Atom/Quark combo on the Edison had tremendous potential. The Atom running Linux for the heavy lifting (yet has full access to the I/O), and the Quark for the 10% of the things that actually need to be real-time. Nice.

    I really like "virtual memory mapping heavy lifting device paired with 1 or more coprocessors with predictable instruction timing and linear memory maps" model.
    ARM licensees have played around with it since ye olden says (ARM9s paired with ARM7TDMIs) and TI has a part line (Sitara) that pairs a modern ARM with some proprietary coprocessors for running real-time process kernels without an OS.

    Intel's Atom/Quark proc is really the best offering i've ever seen in that segment, though working with the Quark directly without signing an NDA is a complicated mess (though one can figure it out).
    I am glad i bought several Edisons. Yocto may be a pile of shit, but better support will come in time, and it'll become more reasonable to roll your own OS for the Atom side, and people will figure out the Quarks, and you'll be able to do direct loads onto it without negotiating with some way-heavier-than-needed real-time OS kernel running on it.

    Awesome part, but as you said- targeting it at Makers with funky Arduino adaption layers and such was pretty clueless.

  40. Re:When it's not an open platform, it'll probably by WalrusSlayer · · Score: 1

    Intel's Atom/Quark proc is really the best offering i've ever seen in that segment, though working with the Quark directly without signing an NDA is a complicated mess (though one can figure it out). I am glad i bought several Edisons. Yocto may be a pile of shit, but better support will come in time, and it'll become more reasonable to roll your own OS for the Atom side, and people will figure out the Quarks, and you'll be able to do direct loads onto it without negotiating with some way-heavier-than-needed real-time OS kernel running on it.

    Unfortunately I've been around enough to see what happens when ecosystems dry up. The Linux will age and have more and more issues that the community cannot keep up with. The community will shrink by attrition, and no new blood will come in simply because you can't buy the hardware anymore. Dead end, as much as I hate to think about it.

    Turns out I only have three Edisons, and I while I'd love to dive in and figure out the potential of this wonderful part, I just can't justify the extremely limited bandwidth I have. I'm fighting the temptation to buy another ten of them to have around when you can't get any more of them, vs selling my entire investment in the platform and just put the whole thing behind me. I've got an embarrassing number of Sparkfun blocks (easily a dozen or more) that I've never used. Nor am I likely to unless a miracle happens and Intel does an about-face on keeping the Edison in their portfolio.

    Anyone want a bunch of barely-to-never-used Edison kit?

    All that gloom and doom aside, I'm totally on the same page. Real-time is a lot like memory and performance optimization. It's tempting to code every line with those requirements in mind, whereas the reality is that at best only 10% of your code really needs the extra scrutiny. Such it is with real-time. Usually only 10% of the functionality really needs to be real-time, and that can then interface to queues that feed the non-real-time code which does the actual work. The Edison's architecture had that dynamic totally nailed.