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3D Printed Airliner Parts Face Regulatory Headwinds (wsj.com)

Some aerospace suppliers are eager to start using 3-D printing technology to turn out large, high-volume structural parts for jetliners, but U.S. safety regulators are taking a go-slow approach toward approving such production. From a report: Three-dimensional printing is a darling of the aerospace industry because it is relatively inexpensive compared with more-prevalent ways of making components. A series of announcements at the Paris Air Show expected in coming days illustrates the immense promise of airliner parts manufactured by 3-D printers -- as well as the formidable regulatory challenges confronting their widespread acceptance (alternative source). On Tuesday, officials of Norsk Titanium AS, a closely held Norwegian company that has developed a novel 3-D printing approach, will unveil a broad partnership with Spirit AeroSystems, a major subcontractor for Boeing and other industry players. Under the arrangement, Spirit sees the potential of eventually using Norsk's technology to produce thousands of different parts at 30% lower cost than traditional milling methods. However, before that can happen, the Federal Aviation Administration has to approve the overall process and certify that the cutting-edge, plasma-deposition technology is reliable enough to ensure identical strength and other properties from batch to batch. FAA officials have said they are moving cautiously, because they want to fully understand the unique technical issues.

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  1. I don't blame them by boristdog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is one area where you REALLY want to make sure you get it right.

    1. Re:I don't blame them by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You have to prove that not only the sample test parts pass standards, but that the process is consistent and will always produce parts that meet standards. That's a little more time consuming.

    2. Re:I don't blame them by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2

      You do realise that the FAA *routinely* requires more testing than the military does for its aircraft certifications, right? There are two different standards involved - often a manufacturer will certify to FAA standard if they want to sell the aircraft on the civilian market (C-130, C-17 for example), and that involves additional testing beyond the military standard.

      Military aircraft have crashed because of unforeseen metal fatigue, which would have been caught under civilian regimes of testing and maintenance. The FAA works on a completely different level to the DoD, and it has to because the planes it certifies can carry 800 people to holiday destinations four times a day.

    3. Re:I don't blame them by KGIII · · Score: 2

      I'd like to add something to this.

      There's a bunch of documentaries about things like jet engines. They don't just have high tolerances - they x-ray, ultrasound, and do microscopic checks of every single part (of a specific type). As in, every part is inspected eight ways from Sunday, in a rigorous looking - I can't speak for validity as it is not my domain, process and even the most trivial problem will result in discarding the part.

      They do not fuck around. They have some pretty serious QA going on.

      So, if the part meets the standards and passes the QA with the same metrics for quality, does the manufacturing process really matter?

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    4. Re:I don't blame them by Strider- · · Score: 2

      There was a proposed civilian variant known as the MD-17/BC-17, but it was never sold. What I don't know is how far into the approvals process Boeing/McDonnel Douglass went.

      I've flown on the C-17 a bunch of times, and as long as you're in the jumpseats on the side (and not in palletized airline seating in the middle) they're quite pleasant to fly on for a cargo plane. *MUCH* nicer than C-130s, though those have their own charm.

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  2. Casting and milling are well understood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Casting and milling are well understood. They have been used since the age of steam. Identifying defects in traditionally machined parts works so well that aircraft rarely have problems related to the manufacture of metal parts.

    In a 3D printed part every one of the thousands of layers is a potential failure point. To date there is no reliable way to find a single weld failure in all those thousands of layers. Once 3D printed parts have a decade of successful use in cars then will be the time to use them in aircraft.

    1. Re:Casting and milling are well understood by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Oh holy shit, I just actually took a look at their technology.

      They're using an argon-gas atmosphere to create an effective clean room, and then rapidly depositing titanium by turning it into a charged vapor (plasma) so that it binds to the part. They basically get a solid, perfect chunk of metal roughly in the shape of the part they need, rapidly, because the atom-thick charged metallic gas sticks to the metallic substrate with no impurities between, and so doesn't create air bubbles or whatnot. It's like electroplating, in a mechanical sense, but the physics are entirely different.

      So it's titanium plated onto titanium millions of times with precision until you get what's almost a machined part, and then some quick machining. Instead of milling a block into a complex shape, you mill what looks like something a (skilled) child would make with Playdoh after being shown that complex shape into the final product.

      That's nifty. I bet it takes surprisingly-little energy, too. If you're converting metal into a plasma gas, you're essentially mobilizing atoms with close to the minimum energy required to do so. This versus forcefully crushing things or melting things, leaking heat all over the place in the process.

    2. Re:Casting and milling are well understood by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2

      I used to do this in my lab as part of a manufacturing process for all kinds of things (and have related patents). PVD. It takes quite a bit of power and is very slow. Too many potential problems to enumerate here, but things like impurities causing fractures in the periodic crystalline structure.

  3. Sintering, not 3-d printing by wired_parrot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Stop calling it 3d-printing. This is just a variation of sintering techniques that have been used for decades in the aerospace industry. While this particular method of laser sintering may be novel and require the FAA to study it before approving, sintering is a well understood metallurgical process. Given the high heat required for the process, no one is going to be home printing machine parts in their basement any time soon.

  4. Re:Good by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    ... that are rushed to market ...

    Nothing is being "rushed to market". 3D printed structural parts have been in use for more than a decade, including in military aircraft. It is proven technology.

  5. Considering... by Zurkeyon3733 · · Score: 2

    That Plasma Deposition and Laser Sintering hava BOTH been previously proven to produce parts up to 3x physically stronger then their standard manufacturing method counterparts, Can be made ALL ONE PIECE (even with some moving internal parts), and have so far been stress tested to provide up to 10x the standard service life of the same old-school manufactured part, This might be a bit of bureaucracy.... IMO There is "Testing" and there us using RED-TAPE to stifle innovation. Guess which one this is?

  6. Re:Get It Right, But don't go Luddite by khb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For many classic industrial processes, we select a statistically meaningful units and test them to destruction. If the FAA is trying to fit these "one off" parts into that sort of algorithm the problem should be obvious. Each part is a "one off" and statistical reasoning about batches produced the same way don't (necessarily) apply.

    For example, perhaps the Argon supplier accidentally left in some impurities (or worse, the original testing was WITH impurities which happened to help; and the new supply is actually pure ... that sort of thing has happened in the past, and it's hell to debug!).

  7. FAA should talk to itself by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 2

    Oddly enough, nobody has pointed out that the FAA already has experience certifying 3D printed parts for flight, and in a flight regime far more rigorous than aircraft. SpaceX has already flown Falcon 9s with 3D printed engine parts, with the FAA's knowledge and approval.

    If the FAA's rocket division would just talk to the aircraft division, the certifying process might go a little faster.

  8. Show me the evidence by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Yes, it is time consuming, but it has ALREADY BEEN DONE. These parts have been thoroughly tested, have already been used in military aircraft, and have a good track record.

    Military aircraft are maintained differently than civilian aircraft. They are also designed and utilized differently. Milspec is not the end-all-be-all standard of quality many imagine it to be.

    You are implying that the FAA is saying "We would like you to do more testing of X, Y, and Z for issues A, B and C", when what they are actually saying is "I am retiring in two years, and I don't want to make any decision that might jeopardize my pension."

    And your evidence for this is what exactly? Do you have anything besides run of the mill cynicism to back up your claim? And exactly how do you figure that any decision by an FAA official would in any way endanger their pension?