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Facial Recognition Is Coming To US Airports (theverge.com)
Facial recognition systems will be coming to U.S. airports in the very near future. "Customs and Border Protection first started testing facial recognition systems at Dulles Airport in 2015, then expanded the tests to New York's JFK Airport last year," reports The Verge. "Now, a new project is poised to bring those same systems to every international airport in America." From the report: Called Biometric Exit, the project would use facial matching systems to identify every visa holder as they leave the country. Passengers would have their photos taken immediately before boarding, to be matched with the passport-style photos provided with the visa application. If there's no match in the system, it could be evidence that the visitor entered the country illegally. The system is currently being tested on a single flight from Atlanta to Tokyo, but after being expedited by the Trump administration, it's expected to expand to more airports this summer, eventually rolling out to every international flight and border crossing in the U.S. U.S. Customs and Border Protection's Larry Panetta, who took over the airport portion of the project in February, explained the advantages of facial recognition at the Border Security Expo last week. "Facial recognition is the path forward we're working on," Panetta said at the conference. "We currently have everyone's photo, so we don't need to do any sort of enrollment. We have access to the Department of State records so we have photos of U.S. Citizens, we have visa photos, we have photos of people when they cross into the U.S. and their biometrics are captured into [DHS biometric database] IDENT."
It worked perfectly and really sped up the passport checking lines. Combining this with my global entry status seems ideal. To hell with long passport lines like in CDG
Why try to stop illegals from leaving, isn't that what they want?
Why not check incoming faces against the documents to be sure the people are who they said they are...?
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Are-you planing to get a nice healthy tan for your white skin ?
Considering another hair colour or coloured contact lenses ?
If you need to fly, better reconsider until the software comparing the before & after photos gets at least a couple of updates
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I love the quote in TFA: “Facial recognition is easy because everyone knows how to take a photo.”
If you have facial hair, these systems completely fail and you get kicked into the loooooong reject line... every time. Then you get extra scrutiny if you have a beard because, of course, you look like a threat.
It'd be nice if the systems could improve to the point that they actually worked before being rolled out full-scale. Or if we could move to something actually unique like fingerprints or DNA, which the rest of the world regularly uses to uniquely identify people.
democracy is alive and well.
Do these people read science fiction to get their ideas for science non-fiction?
You Americans really don't want any, do you?
Racist, and unconstitutional.
You may be a troll but if not I assume you mean profiling? Yes, it's extremely effective to the point that it's usually used for nefarious purposes instead of good ones. Anyway, Israel has been successfully profiling for over 20 years. Shit of the Jews and they'll eat you, shit you out and ensure you remain fertilizer for the remainder of their lives.
Since smiling at the camera distorts your features enough to fool facial recognition, if you smile at the camera, you might be a terrorist. And since you're a terrorist, you will be held without trial at Guantanamo Federal, indefinitely. Just like the other terrorists that DHS can't prove are a threat. This is, unfortunately, still ongoing.
Muslims aren't a race, idiot. Not even close. Therefore, my idea cannot be racism. Profiling those who are statistically most likely to commit attacks is not racism. It's intelligent security.
Unconstitutional, perhaps, but the courts have been willing to carve out exceptions to the fourth amendment. It's not racist. Muslims are not a race, not even close. That makes you an idiot. People of any race can be Muslim. Nobody is suggesting that there be racial profiling of Arabs or Persians. That would actually be racist.
We've been doing this in Australia for a decade. It's called "SmartGate"
It makes sense. Why have a photo or any identification if you don't attempt to match it? It would be pointless.
Awesome, no more blackmail to use "expedited" security lanes. We won't even need scanners as the threat is eliminated.
"If there's no match in the system, it could be evidence that the visitor entered the country illegally" ...as would the fact that the fucking passport wasn't scanned on the way in. wtf?
The system works on exit, not enter. What is the point of spotting an illegal immigrant at exit time?
it's so good it can only be used for bad
sounds like a good lyric, but a dumbfuck argument
And the difference between SmartGate and (current non-IDENT) US immigration is the hour you spend in the queue at LAX vs the 2-3 minutes in a queue for SmartGate.
if it was strictly for what is stated, no problem from me
who the fuck believes the data won't be retained and harvested long after that vacation to North Korea?
but the sad part is that we know it'll happen because regular folks aren't hurting bad enough to say no.... or they're distracted by shiny things... or they're too busy squabbling over the latest divide-and-conquer theatrics
this country is in decline, and I don't know of any empire/superpower in history that has ever reversed it
You don't, idiot. Trump has discussed plans to create a Muslim registry. The facial recognition establishes the identify of the person, which is then cross-referenced against a separate Muslim registry. The United States could borrow an idea from European countries like Germany to create such a registry. Include a "church tax" for followers of religions that gets paid along with income taxes. Any religion is allowed to register and collect the proceeds from the taxes collected by the state. As long as it's open to all religions, it doesn't violate the establishment clause. This is already done in Germany. Muslims who pay the church tax would be added to the registry. It's that simple. If you could read, you'd know that there's nothing racist about my proposal. However, you're an idiot who just enjoys calling people racists to discredit anyone whose beliefs differ from yours.
Just hold your passport beside your face and move on or are people that lazy and dumb? All immigrants look alike to TSA? Because of faults with facial recognition, I guess black people won't get to travel. This is just another tool the government is using to try to get more biometric data. There's no standardized camera required to be used by your local pharmacist for these photos. They want an extremely high resolution of you to match the X-Rays they will also get. It's probably high enough for iris data too.
Both entering and leaving the country. Place your passport photo page on a scanner, the little doors pop open in front of you and you enter a little pen. A screen up in the corner says 'Look At Screen'. After about 5 seconds, the message changed to 'Continue', and another pair of doors pop open to let you exit the pen. Talk about cattle. Insidious and disgusting.
I've lived all over the world. Want to know who I view as the biggest troublemakers in general? Americans. It doesn't matter what colour their skin is, Americans of all types just seem to cause problems everywhere they go.
so you meant white trash opiate addicts.
Previous attempts with facial recognition involved police putting cameras in public areas: They want to track people, the same way they track license plates and cellular phones. The technology didn't have the smarts to work in the real world but governments of the world are waiting for the technology to catch-up to their Big Brother machinations.
Yeah, imma say you're full of shit and haven't left your cardboard box in SF, else you'd know we got nothing on Chinese tourists.
I know you are trolling but there may be a grain of truth in what you are saying.
White people are the easiest to recognize and blacks are the hardest. It is a simple matter of contrast. I don't know if male/female makes a difference in success rate. Probably not, though makeup and beards may play a role.
Cattle, verily. Found the guy who actually likes standing in line for two hours to get that human badtouch
I too have travelled the world and while Americans might be idiots they are not troublemakers or terrorists.
https//www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/6/21/15846446/google-glass-first-update-three-years
is not the right link.
... for Americans anyway.
Congress has passed Biometric Exit bills at least nine times. In each, it has been clear: This is a program meant for foreign nationals. In fact, when President Trump issued an executive order in January on Biometric Exit, it was actually reissued to clarify that it didn't apply to American citizens.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/fut...
Should not this be done for foreigners entering the country, and not Americans going abroad?
So how exactly do you propose detecting Muslims by facial recognition?
You don't. You use DNA analysis. If they are a direct descendant of Muhammad, then don't let them on the plane.
So how exactly do you propose detecting Muslims by facial recognition? Oh, wait, duh. Go home, you racist moron.
Simple scoring with an AI. If they aren't white, add a point. If they are completely covered by a hijab and you can't tell the skin color add another point. If they don't like dogs add another point. If they don't stop and eat a McDonalds double-bacon cheeseburger add another point. If they are carrying a prayer mat add a point. You get the idea.
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Unconstitutional, perhaps, but the courts have been willing to carve out exceptions to the fourth amendment.
...and the first amendment, and the second amendment, and the tenth amendment and so on. Fuck the courts.
Excellent! How about a Jewish registry! That worked out well the last time, no?
Or Baptists, Mormons or Papists?
Come to think of it, aren't all religions the problem?
2017 Congressional baseball shooting - James Hodgkinson (white male)
2017 Flint Airport Stabbing - Amor Ftouhi (Tunisian/Arab, easily passes as a white European, since North Africans are Caucasian)
2011 Norway attacks - Anders Behring Breivik (white male, but nearly every Norwegian is white)
2011 Tucson shooting - Jared Lee Loughner (evil white male)
2010 Pentagon shooting - James Von Brunn (white male)
2010 Austin suicide attack - Andrew Joseph Stack (white male)
2010 Oakland freeway shootout - Byron Williams (white male)
2009 shooting of Pittsburgh police officers - Richard Poplawski (white male)
2009 Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting - James Von Brunn (really old white male)
1995 Oklahoma City bombing - Timothy McVeigh (white male)
1978-1995 Unabomber - Ted Kaczynski (white male)
fun fact: 6 out of these 11 were members of the Libertarian Party or self-described Ron Paul supporters.
With that in mind, having a camera that can detect if someone frequently wears a fedora is the most effective way to combat domestic terrorism.
Won't work, see the movie Prisoner X.
They are already leaving the country and have valid travel elsewhere, just let them know they are not coming back. Avoids a lot of hassle (for the U.S, that is).
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Trump has discussed plans to do all kinds of things. Doesn't mean any of them will get done or do any good if they are.
You say that like it isn't already there.
Particularly when they bring their helicopter gunships. Which they usually do.
>> Facial Recognition Is Coming To US Airports
I'm Not Coming To US Airports.
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That's a rather black and white way of looking at it.
Particularly when they bring their helicopter gunships. Which they usually do.
I take it nobody's discovered our Trump-Star we've been building in orbit on the far side of the moon. It will soon be fully-operational.
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Excellent! How about a Jewish registry! That worked out well the last time, no?
If the goal was to reduce the amount of jews, well then yes, it worked quite well!
Facials at airport deserve to be recognized, thats right.
Sounds like you are projecting. What the fuck is "SF" supposed to even mean? I was born in Japan, grew up in England and currently live in Oslo. In between I've lived in seven countries and visited countless others. Americans are always the ignorant, arrogant, uncultured and disrespectful people who cause troubles.
When Jews are beheading people on TV while chanting from the Torah, and 62% of Jews worldwide condone it, then we'll worry about them too.
I'm white and people like you make me ashamed of it. Grow the fuck up and grow a pair. Get a thicker skin and stop being such a fucking faggot about everything. Mewling fucker.
If the goal was to reduce Jewish influence in the world, it backfired quite fucking spectacularly.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
His sky daddy is better than the brown peoples' sky daddy.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Wow, cherry pick much?
Airports aren't run by the government.
You only point this out because it's rare.
What about all the gang related, mass shootings happening every day in cities like Chicago and Baltimore?
Congressman Jason Chaffetz has been trying to warn the American people about some pretty disturbing stuff the government is doing with facial recognition. Basically if you have a drivers license, there is a 50/50 chance you are in the FBI's database. He also hints that any social media account you have with a picture is linked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
It's racism in spirit. Since race doesn't really exist, one could even sit here and argue cracismc can't exist at all, altogether continuing to avoid the point at hand: you're a terrible human being.
Technically speaking, it's prejudice and or discrimination, but there is a definite racism tie in meaning that's avoided by your type through a transient relationship where the vast majority of muslims are of middle eastern decent/ethnicity, so by calling upon the religion instead of ethnicity, you attempt to avoid this very obvious relationship.
The terms "prejudice" and "discrimination" just don't carry a dirty enough connotation that's implied when we label someone a racist; both terms are fairly generic in meaning to most and lack the unbridled and ingorant level of hatred we associate with the history of racism and racists.
We can discuss nuanced semantics all day if you wish, but at the heart of meaning in it all, you're not much different than a run-of-the-mill racist. You're essentially a bigot, but even that word just doesn't quite do you justice, so people struggle to find an appropriate term which is why "racist" is often called up.
Easy. You have a TSA agent sitting there at the gate enjoying a pile of freshly cooked bacon. If the facial detection system detects the look of disgust, you found your muzzie.
This could be actually be useful for security. The facial recognition could be deployed for all departing flights, domestic or international. Cross-referencing it with a Muslim registry could be a great tool to identify likely terrorists. It would be very effective because Muslims are the greatest threat to commit acts of terror on aircraft. Once you identify a Muslim attempting to fly, it's very easy to subject them to enhanced security or detain them. I'm all for measures that would actually prevent terrorism, and this would be a great way to do just that.
A Muslim registry? Would all Muslims be required to register with the government? That seems like a pain in the neck. It would probably be easier if we just required them all to wear a yellow crescent on their lapel.
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
More mass killing in the US have been committed by White male Christians. When do we get to start profiling and harassing you?
Don't they usually say prayers when they shoot drugs into people that slowly destroy the nerves to murder them in the good ole USA? Also correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the US still like run it's Black people concentration camps? When do we start profiling US citizens, especially considering they go around killing people who don't follow the White superiority nonsense?
Are wages being lowered by a flood of illegal third world immigrants sneaking onto airplanes? I think the coyotes bring them over via land or sea.
Are hajis entering the country by sneaking onto airplanes and blowing things up once they get here? My impression is that every one we've caught so far had papers in order, overstayed, or was born here and "radicalized" here.
The airport has always been security theatre. I'm getting sick of the encores. Pull these clowns off the stage; they're just harassing the audience.
It scares me because these are the kinds of tactics one would use, and that have been used, to suppress legitimate nonviolent democratic protest, critical "artists," American dissidents trying to escape to Germany, etc. They are extremely valuable for these purposes and useless for the safety purposes for which the democratic mandate exists exclusively to execute.
You mean ... everyone with a sense of decorum?
>> Facial Recognition Is Coming To US Airports
I'm Not Coming To US Airports.
Not to worry, the TSA has started having teams of TSA agents set up security screening checkpoints at post offices, train and bus stations (metro & greyhound), even stopping metro buses and boarding them to do security checks on riders. I'm sure the facial-recognition systems will be rolled out for these alternate and local transportation systems in the very near future.
We will soon be very safe with TSA checkpoints at malls, major intersections, residential neighborhood entrances/exits, and more!
Strangely, however, somehow I'm not feeling the love.
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I'd have more sympathy if they weren't constantly blowing people up.
The facial recognition software is sold by private vendors as being '90% accurate' but then put clauses in the contracts that make sure they can't be sued if it turns out its more like 40% accurate in practice. Then you have the problem of incomplete databases of images, often collated without the users consent, and then you have nontransparent process of determining weather someone is a 'match' and no kind of audit system to prevent abuses
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It's already being used at the TSA checkpoints. Last year I forgot to remove my knife (a k-bar, of all things) from my backpack. Funny thing is, TSA didn't catch a 12" knife when I was departing, but boy they were all over me on the returning flight. My backpack was pulled for inspection, they found the knife and then the TSA attendant went and spent about 2 minutes on a phone with someone. Then with no additional questions (didn't even ask my name) they let me go, while keeping the knife of course. I'm sure they simply waited for "Ok, he checks out" but the only way to know it at that point was to pull my data from video.
but the only way left wing policies (like fair treatment across race) get traction is through humor. Our media is owned by very rich, very right wing men who have a stake in keeping racism alive and well since it divides the working class.
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How very disingenuous of you. Race and religion are two very different things. Nobody chooses their race and ethnicity. It just happens. Nothing about being Arab or Persian causes a person to be more likely to commit terror attacks. Therefore, it would be wrong to discriminate against people on those grounds. However, people choose to practice religion. A person chooses to be Muslim. The Muslim religion is a belief system that frequently condones and encourages violence against non-Muslims. If you choose to practice a religion that promotes violence, why shouldn't you be subject to enhanced screening to ensure that you're not going to engage in violent acts during a flight? Your entire argument is one massive ad hominem logical fallacy that does nothing to actually refute the argument that Muslims should be subject to enhanced screening at airports.
It would be wrong to subject someone to enhanced screening for being Arab or Persian. Nobody chooses to be Arab or Persian, and it has no impact on a person's likelihood to commit acts of terror. However, people choose to be Muslim, and the Muslim religion does promote violence. Why shouldn't Muslims be subject to enhanced screening to ensure they're not going to engage in violence? It's not racism, but common sense.
The r-word, in this case, is a feeble attempt to discredit an opinion that you haven't actually refuted.
Please don't let the shitty ones ruin your experiences with the decent Americans out there. Some of us are just people who want to live peacefully. It's just that people keep voting in warmongers and fleecers. Politically, America is dying.
Nope, the reason churches don't pay taxes is the same problem we had with the Boston Tea Party: no taxation without representation. If you tax the church, they will demand their interests are respected. That violates the separation of church and state.
I too used to think we should tax churches, but that would open up a can of worms that'd send us back a few hundred years.
Your argument doesn't make a whole lot of sense. On the one hand you suggest muslims should be subject to enhanced screening, yet you rightly point out that anyone of any race can be a muslim.
So how exactly do you identify these muslims so you can screen them differently? Ask everybody to put down their religion on a declaration card and hope they're honestly reporting their faith?
It is a practical reality that although not all Arabs or Persians are muslims, most and dare I say almost all muslims are Arab people. So screening based on race is actually a very good proxy to target muslims. Whether we should or should not be doing this is another debate, but it's ridiculous to completely rule out a specific type of screen or test because it's not 100% accurate or effective. Almost nothing is. The question is; does it work 'most' of the time [with most being a high enough number to justify the costs of whatever it is being tested].
Most of the posts I'm reading lately are pretty absolutist when it comes to racism; in other words there must be absolutely 0% racism regardless of what the cost to society as a whole is. That's a pretty extreme viewpoint to have. I think it's generally accepted that racism doesn't benefit society as a whole in the long run, but at what lengths are people willing to go and what costs are people willing to incur to ensure that there is absolutely none of it?
Given the rate of aircraft bombings, this isn't where your money is well spent.
Spend your money hunting down islamophobic abortion clinic bombers. You'll get more criminals for the buck
Their interests are already respected.
Or did you miss HObby Lobby?
'Cause this is just one more step toward turning travellers into cattle. I won't be surprised if ear tags and/or embedded RFID chips are next.
I miss the days when the States was a relatively safe and sane travel destination. The way things are now, I'll probably never cross the border again. Dammit, I miss New Orleans - it sucks to realize that I may never go there again.
'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
I know you're joking but there're a lot of people who may be turned off by watching someone eating bacon. Vegetarians and vegans may also make a look, despite their diet being purely ideological instead of religious.
The problem with profiling is it creates too many false positives and creates an instrument of oppression for the state.
Meh, lots of people, including the United States, are constantly blowing people up.
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
Just because we Americans are a bunch of rude assholes doesn't really put us in the same category as the shit that Sunni's and Shiites get up to.
I can't remember the last time one of my friends suicide bombed my neighborhood market square. Probably because it never fucking happens here.