Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails For Gmail Ads (bloomberg.com)

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Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails For Gmail Ads (bloomberg.com)

Posted by msmash on Friday June 23, 2017 @05:20AM from the change-of-heart dept.

Google will soon stop scanning emails received by some Gmail users, a practice that has allowed it to show them targeted advertising but which stirred privacy worries. From a report: The decision didn't come from Google's ad team, but from its cloud unit, which is angling to sign up more corporate customers. Alphabet's Google Cloud sells a package of office software, called G Suite, that competes with market leader Microsoft. Paying Gmail users never received the email-scanning ads like the free version of the program, but some business customers were confused by the distinction and its privacy implications, said Diane Greene, Google's senior vice president of cloud. "What we're going to do is make it unambiguous," she said. Ads will continue to appear inside the free version of Gmail, as promoted messages. But instead of scanning a user's email, the ads will now be targeted with other personal information Google already pulls from sources such as search and YouTube.

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WHOA by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 04:56 · Score: 2, Insightful

Didn't see that coming.
1. Re:WHOA by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 05:07 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  I bet this is a pure money play. They likely realized ads for e-mail content have a lower return then from other data sources. Google has so many data sources on you, they no longer need e-mail content.
2. Re:WHOA by Captain+Splendid · 2017-06-23 05:09 · Score: 1
  
  Congrats, you summarized the summary.
  
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3. Re:WHOA by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 06:05 · Score: 0
  
  I've had a GMail account since ~2008 and I've never seen any ads. I only access it using POP3 and a real e-mail client. Webmail is stupid and pointless.
4. Re: WHOA by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 07:58 · Score: 0
  
  They just used your information to serve you ads on the other websites you visited. Unless you are one of the very proud gopher only users.
5. Re:WHOA by TheRaven64 · 2017-06-23 08:02 · Score: 1
  
  Microsoft has been a lot better in this market so far. They're willing to negotiate a custom deal with various privacy restrictions (including restrictions on where the data can be hosted) with largish deployments. Google's attitude has been a one-size-fits-all take-it-or-leave-it deal. TFS is also somewhat misleading: for at least some of their customers they've got in trouble in the past because they didn't disable scanning for the educational customers, they only disabled showing the ads. They were still building behaviour models.
  
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6. Re: WHOA by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 09:30 · Score: 1
  
  Dear me, they don't scan the email when you read it, they scan it when it's on their servers so it doesn't matter how you read it, it still gets parsed for keywords. Have you never seen an ad for something that's only been in one of your gmails?
7. Re: WHOA by Scarletdown · 2017-06-23 12:07 · Score: 1
  
  Dear me, they don't scan the email when you read it, they scan it when it's on their servers so it doesn't matter how you read it, it still gets parsed for keywords. Have you never seen an ad for something that's only been in one of your gmails?
  I can't say that I have. Then again, that is probably because I am rather meticulous in the employment of Adblock Plus and Noscript.
  
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We Already Know All About You by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 05:02 · Score: 5, Funny

We already know all about you and no longer need to continue to read your email.
Besides, your sad, pathetic lives were depressing our mail reading Ad-bots.
1. Re:We Already Know All About You by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 05:13 · Score: 0
  
  We already know all about you and no longer need to continue to read your email.
  Besides, your sad, pathetic lives were depressing our mail reading Ad-bots.
  Google's ad bots suck. I live in Europe but I used to get non top YouTube ads featuring a Chinese lounge singer, then those ads stopped and I started getting Japanese commercials for some unearthly reason. Now I want the Chinese lounge singer back! I had no idea Japanese commercials were so incredibly irritating.
2. Re:We Already Know All About You by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 05:32 · Score: 0
  
  Google's ad bots suck. I live in Europe but I used to get non top YouTube ads featuring a Chinese lounge singer, then those ads stopped and I started getting Japanese commercials for some unearthly reason. Now I want the Chinese lounge singer back! I had no idea Japanese commercials were so incredibly irritating.
  You're just mad because Google knows you're a weeabo.
3. Re:We Already Know All About You by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 05:59 · Score: 0
  
  This is why I only read my Gmail in incognito mode
4. Re:We Already Know All About You by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 06:08 · Score: 0
  
  This is why I only read my Gmail in incognito mode
  But Google doesn't. When Google reads your GMail, they have incognito mode off, ad-blocking disabled, and have logged in to Chrome using the Google@GMail.com account.
5. Re:We Already Know All About You by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 07:39 · Score: 0
  
  Then Firefox private browsing it is!
6. Re:We Already Know All About You by DeBaas · 2017-06-23 08:02 · Score: 1
  
  Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they ask me to read how to loose belly fat in just one week...
  
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7. Re:We Already Know All About You by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 11:55 · Score: 0
  
  Does that mean senpai noticed them?
So, how long until they shut it down? by Anubis+IV · 2017-06-23 05:07 · Score: 4, Interesting

Kidding aside, if they're no longer mining free users for useful information, it becomes nothing more than a vehicle for delivering ads. Given that Gmail is a gateway into the Google ecosystem for a lot of people, I seriously doubt that they'd kill it entirely, but I wouldn't bet on seeing any more major increases to the storage space allotted for the free tier.
1. Re:So, how long until they shut it down? by 93+Escort+Wagon · 2017-06-23 05:21 · Score: 1
  
  The free tier is already at 15GB... how much more email space does a person need?
  
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2. Re:So, how long until they shut it down? by drinkypoo · 2017-06-23 05:28 · Score: 1
  
  I don't think they reasonably can shut it down while they have all these other services tied to it. They'd have to go to a lot of effort to un-tie them. It's probably easier just to keep gmail going than to do all of that, and this is a way to make it cheaper — by avoiding lawsuits.
  
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3. Re:So, how long until they shut it down? by Albanach · 2017-06-23 05:43 · Score: 1
  
  Isn't that 15GB across the Google ecosystem. So if you use Drive, or store full resolution photos, etc, then you could hit that pretty quickly.
4. Re:So, how long until they shut it down? by tlhIngan · 2017-06-23 05:47 · Score: 1
  
  The free tier is already at 15GB... how much more email space does a person need?
  It's not just email space anymore - it's actually shared space between GMail, GDrive and probably other services...
5. Re:So, how long until they shut it down? by Zocalo · 2017-06-23 05:54 · Score: 2
  
  17GB if you did a security check or whatever it was a few years back. Thing is though, that's not just your email space - it's the total of your Google storage space for Drive and Photos as well, so if you are really into the Google ecosystem it can add up fast. Sure, you can have multiple free accounts, but that removes a lot of the convenience. As the poster above said, "we already know all about you and no longer need to continue to read your email"; for some users Google has well into diminishing returns on scanning their email, so why waste the CPU cycles?
  
  I suspect the hope now is that once people's free storage allocations are used up they'll switch to a paid for plan rather than delete stuff, which is basically paying through the nose per GB. Looking at the current plans, Google gets ~$200 per annum for each TB of disk sold in 100GB chunks, which is a pretty good RoI even before you factor in that Google is almost certainly doing a *lot* of de-duplication on the stored data.
  
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6. Re:So, how long until they shut it down? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 05:55 · Score: 0
  
  640KB ought to be enough for anybody
7. Re:So, how long until they shut it down? by Rob+Y. · 2017-06-23 07:38 · Score: 1
  
  The business model for Gmail ought to be outsourcing corporate email accounts - for a fee and with no spying whatsoever. Gmail for the rest of us could then continue as a loss leader to get corporations to sign up base on 'it's the email system we all use at home'. An interesting 180 flip from home users buying MS products because 'it's what I use at work'...
  
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8. Re:So, how long until they shut it down? by phantomfive · 2017-06-23 08:12 · Score: 1
  
  It's more likely that over time it becomes less and less important (to Google), and the people who cared about it have moved on, and at that point they will just cut it off (whether or not it's popular seems to be irrelevant).
  
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9. Re:So, how long until they shut it down? by Gr8Apes · 2017-06-23 08:50 · Score: 1
  
  Seriously? 15GB? Holy crap, I wonder how much junk mail is in my gmail account. I guess one of these days I'll have to login with a browser again, and wipe the all mail folder, just for grins.
  
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10. Re:So, how long until they shut it down? by djinn6 · 2017-06-23 11:56 · Score: 1
  
  Google gets ~$200 per annum for each TB of disk sold in 100GB chunks, which is a pretty good RoI even before you factor in that Google is almost certainly doing a *lot* of de-duplication on the stored data.
  I'm not sure what deduplication you're referring to, but they definitely do a lot of duplication. Each piece of data you hand over to them is mirrored at least twice to prevent catastrophes. There may also be offline backups on tape.
  
  Plus if you can accept a slight quality loss, Photos gives you unlimited storage at "high quality".
11. Re:So, how long until they shut it down? by Zocalo · 2017-06-23 23:38 · Score: 1
  
  Many higher end SAN systems are capable of identifying duplicate copies of the same data in different locations and only saving one copy with some form of link for subsequent copies via a general process known as Data Deduplication, although there are also specific tweaks for specific storage types. In other words, if a thousand people have got the same document stored in their Google Drive, or received the same email to the GMail account, then Google's storage systems should be detecting that and dropping the repeated data. You're never going to get to 100% of the theoretical maximum de-dupe optimization, but you can get well up into the 70-80% range without too much effort, and I've seen mid-90% on some email systems. Getting rid of all those multiple copies of PowerPoints, PDFs, images, and all the other bulky documents that people CC to all and sundry adds up fast and can save a *lot* of storage space.
  
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Read what they said by al0ha · 2017-06-23 05:19 · Score: 5, Insightful

Google will no longer scan emails for the purposes of advertising targeting. They never said they would no longer scan emails altogether.

Speak No Evil :P

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1. Re:Read what they said by Rockoon · 2017-06-23 05:24 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  Exactly. Google now scans your emails for a completely different, yet evidently more profitable, reasons.
  
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2. Re:Read what they said by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 05:25 · Score: 1
  
  Not even. They won't use email content as the direct trigger for an ad, but they will still scan everything from non-paying customers and that shit goes on your permanent record.
  Try sending yourself some condolences from an external address and watch your gmail promoted tab fill up with shit about flowers and burial services. It's sickening.
3. Re:Read what they said by Albanach · 2017-06-23 05:45 · Score: 5, Interesting
  
  They never said they would no longer scan emails altogether.
  
  I'd be pretty pissed if they did. It's nice to grab your phone and see that evening's flight details, or get a reminder that you have a bill due in three days, etc.
  These are features that make my life easier and are only possible by having a computer scan my email.
4. Re: Read what they said by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 06:12 · Score: 1
  
  None of that is happening tho. They scan your emails to serve you ads. That's it. It isn't to make your life easier.
5. Re: Read what they said by Albanach · 2017-06-23 06:19 · Score: 1, Insightful
  
  None of that is happening tho. They scan your emails to serve you ads. That's it. It isn't to make your life easier.
  Maybe you don't have an android phone, or don't use Google Now? This stuff happens every day on Android. My phone lets me know where I parked my car - from the phone sensors, knows where I usually drive to on a Wednesday after work, so tells me the estimated travel time without any other entries, and will pull flight reservations, hotel bookings, bills due, package tracking and more straight from my email. These have been features since 2012.
6. Re:Read what they said by spire3661 · 2017-06-23 06:33 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  Google sent me an email the other day telling me that it was going to start adding events to my calendar from ALL emails. They were telling me they were literally going to fill my calendar with spam appointments. I was auto-opted in and this would be be my only notification of it. How can you trust a calendar you cant explicitly control? I imagine a future where people show up to events they didnt sign up for simply because some spammer sent them a properly formatted email.
  
  Google is useful until it isnt. Dont fall in love with this 'feature', it will be used to spam you
  
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7. Re:Read what they said by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 06:35 · Score: 0
  
  > It's nice to grab your phone and see that evening's flight details, or get a reminder that you have a bill due in three days, etc.
  It's also nice to have 99% of the spam you receive sent to the spambox rather than your inbox!
8. Re: Read what they said by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 06:38 · Score: 0, Troll
  
  So it's you that they make these "features" for, increasingly.
  It's your fault. If you only new the work that going in to ripping that shit out again or understood the consequence of leaving it in and on.
  Probably you still wouldn't care or even understand why you should.
  Good day Sir.
9. Re:Read what they said by Dutch+Gun · 2017-06-23 06:45 · Score: 1
  
  I hope they don't stop scanning e-mails. Their spam filters wouldn't be very effective otherwise.
  Intent is everything.
  
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10. Re: Read what they said by Albanach · 2017-06-23 07:06 · Score: 1
  
  If using an alternate email supplier and turning off location services is beyond you, you could just buy a dumb phone.
  All the stuff I mentioned is opt-in.
11. Re:Read what they said by DogDude · 2017-06-23 07:24 · Score: 1, Informative
  
  As a retailer, I agree. We love getting everybody's personal information. We get a ton of information from our merchant services providers (credit cards) and of course, from Google and Facebook. Keep using Google and Facebook! We love it!
  
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12. Re:Read what they said by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 07:47 · Score: 1
  
  I imagine a future where people show up to events they didnt sign up for simply because some spammer sent them a properly formatted email.
  
  If you show up to something that you have no recollection of signing up for just because your phone's calendar said to, then you are an idiot.
13. Re:Read what they said by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 07:51 · Score: 0
  
  Also google can change its mind any time they want because their privacy policies already have gaping wide holes in them. This is google trying to be both a marketing company and a private web services company -- in the real world we would call that an irreconcilable conflict of interest.
14. Re: Read what they said by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 10:35 · Score: 0
  
  You love breastfeeding and Google is doing it to you.
15. Re: Read what they said by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 12:54 · Score: 0
  
  None of that is happening tho. They scan your emails to serve you ads. That's it. It isn't to make your life easier.
  It is happening if you use Google Assistant, and maybe you also need to be using inbox. But that is opt-in. I'm not sure you can opt out of the advertising scanning. It's nice that Google will stop, but data mining for advertising has become so pervasive now, I'm not sure it will make a difference.
  1 week after I signed up for an Amazon developer account with my company email address, I suddenly started seeing a lot of ads for companies offering AWS training on Facebook, which I've only given my personal address to. Not only does that point to Facebook or someone holding a lot of information about me that I did not voluntarily give them, but it also suggests that the large internet companies are colluding to share the information to build up their massive databases about everyone's lives.
  All this while we've been worried about the government spying on our lives, but we have built a society where the government doesn't need to spy, they can just go out and buy the information they want from any one of a number of commercial suppliers.
16. Re:Read what they said by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 13:24 · Score: 0
  
  Oh I see. They're just looking out for us. Like a big brother would.
  
  only possible by having a computer scan my email.
  That is NOT the only way it's possible.
17. Re: Read what they said by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 13:25 · Score: 1
  
  I use Google Now to get something useful back from the data mining Google is doing anyway. Don't fool yourself into thinking that just because you opted out of having it do something useful for you that they aren't doing it behind your back for their own purposes.
18. Re:Read what they said by chihowa · 2017-06-23 14:20 · Score: 1
  
  I imagine a future where people show up to events they didnt sign up for simply because some spammer sent them a properly formatted email.
  If you show up to something that you have no recollection of signing up for just because your phone's calendar said to, then you are an idiot.
  Whew! It's a good thing that there a only a few idiots in our world, then. Situation averted.
  
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19. Re:Read what they said by TheRaven64 · 2017-06-23 20:13 · Score: 1
  
  Nope, he's right. You need a computer to scan it, what you don't need is a computer owned by a third party in a jurisdiction with weak data protection regulations and a commercial interest in using that to build a psychological manipulation, sorry, advertising, profile of you scanning it.
  
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The real question on everyone's mind by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 05:26 · Score: 0

The real question on everyone's mind is:
Will they stop alternating between silently bouncing or moving to the Spam folder a large selection of emails from family members and friends?
"Google" will stop reading it.. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 05:31 · Score: 0

But "Alphabet" is not Google... and since Alphabet owns Google, there's nothing saying Alphabet can't read it and pass along what is learned to Google in realtime.
Encryption by iamcadaver · 2017-06-23 05:33 · Score: 1

This will pave the way for google managed [NSA approved] email encryption.

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Wait. There's a paid version of gmail? by H3lldr0p · 2017-06-23 05:34 · Score: 1

Where do I sign up?
1. Re:Wait. There's a paid version of gmail? by doconnor · 2017-06-23 05:54 · Score: 1
  
  https://gsuite.google.com/sign...
  There is even an 1 employee option.
Still not trustworthy IMHO by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 05:34 · Score: 0

Enterprise cloud email should be in separate sandboxes instances. Gmail is all shared infrastructure right? Furthermore it's google, why let them hold your sensitive propiatery data for any reason be it ads or anything else?
Does this mean... by __aaclcg7560 · 2017-06-23 05:48 · Score: 1

I'll no longer get ads to join the Secret Service as a security technician?
1. Re:Does this mean... by Bing+Tsher+E · 2017-06-23 06:08 · Score: 1
  
  You've already been hired. The pay is zero dollars per month.
2. Re: Does this mean... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 06:14 · Score: 0
  
  No, but you will continue getting ads for weight loss pills and "how to be a writer" courses.
3. Re:Does this mean... by __aaclcg7560 · 2017-06-23 06:14 · Score: 1
  
  You've already been hired. The pay is zero dollars per month.
  When a college roommate joined the FBI as a network technician, he got to carry a gun. Will the Secret Service let me carry a gun and take potshots at the malware?
4. Re: Does this mean... by __aaclcg7560 · 2017-06-23 06:17 · Score: 1
  
  No, but you will continue getting ads for weight loss pills and "how to be a writer" courses.
  Surprisingly, I don't get those. Not even on Slashdot.
Why? by nospam007 · 2017-06-23 06:05 · Score: 1

People who use browsers to read emails deserve those ads.
1. Re: Why? by corychristison · 2017-06-23 07:36 · Score: 1
  
  It's deeper than that, I believe.
  I'm pretty sure it scans in the background as messages are received. The information is indexed and tied to your Google ID.
  As you browse websites that display google ads while signed in to your Google account, you will receive targetted advertising based on all congruent data indexed, including your email if you use Gmail.
  As well, if you have an Android device with Google Play, the targetted advertising will play a role in ads displayed in apps.
They are lying. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 06:07 · Score: 1

A number of years ago, when trying to get universities to outsource their email to gmail, google promised they wouldn't be scanning email for analytics, advertising, and tracking.
They flat-out lied the entire time:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-p...
Don't trust them.
Don't get me wrong, google has lots of handy services, but don't trust anything they say.
Whoopee feces by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 06:08 · Score: 0

Rest assured, they will get the data they want by some other means.
Make no mistake by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 06:14 · Score: 0

your gmail e-mail contents are analyzed, and vital information is stored along with all other info they can get on you. It will not change, ever.
Don't tell this to any gmail user by Anonymous Coward · 2017-06-23 09:38 · Score: 0

For them, this is a non-news as they didn't even know that Google was scanning them and if Google was scanning, it must have been for their benefits. Every time, I have written a comment criticizing Google's privacy practice, I have been modded down. To save my karma, I am posting this anonymously (I have average score of 3.5, mostly 4-5 for non-Google criticizing posts. -1 to 1 for posts criticizing Google).
Google reading emails by NoseBag · 2017-06-23 09:46 · Score: 1

Correction to Google headline:
Google "says" it will no longer scan ... blah,blah.
Their "promise" and $0.01 will buy me .... nothing.

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