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Facebook's Secret Censorship Rules Protect White Men From Hate Speech But Not Black Children (propublica.org)

Sidney Fussell from Gizmodo summarizes a report from ProPublica, which brings to light dozens of training documents used by Facebook to train moderators on hate speech: As the trove of slides and quizzes reveals, Facebook uses a warped, one-sided reasoning to balance policing hate speech against users' freedom of expression on the platform. This is perhaps best summarized by the above image from one of its training slideshows, wherein Facebook instructs moderators to protect "White Men," but not "Female Drivers" or "Black Children." Facebook only blocks inflammatory remarks if they're used against members of a "protected class." But Facebook itself decides who makes up a protected class, with lots of clear opportunities for moderation to be applied arbitrarily at best and against minoritized people critiquing those in power (particularly white men) at worst -- as Facebook has been routinely accused of. According to the leaked documents, here are the group identifiers Facebook protects: Sex, Religious affiliation, National origin, Gender identity, Race, Ethnicity, Sexual Orientation, Serious disability or disease. And here are those Facebook won't protect: Social class, continental origin, appearance, age, occupation, political ideology, religions, countries. Subsets of groups -- female drivers, Jewish professors, gay liberals -- aren't protected either, as ProPublica explains: White men are considered a group because both traits are protected, while female drivers and black children, like radicalized Muslims, are subsets, because one of their characteristics is not protected.

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  1. Who'd a Thunk? by sycodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Try to police speech and expression and you fuck it up every time.

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    1. Re:Who'd a Thunk? by Tuidjy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, the policies are poorly written. Did you expect something else from Facebook?

      And I bet some specific populations are inflamed by "White men" being protected while "Black Children" are not.

      But you know what? "Black females" are more protected than "Christian children". "Lesbian Iraqi" are protected, while "White Europeans" are not.

      "Young Europeans are subhuman scum" is OK by the stated policies. "Muslim schizophrenics are dangerous" is to be censored.

      I bet if the article was written by a Fox news reporter, he would have focused on one of the latter examples. Once you know the flawed rules, you can manipulate them to produce inflammatory results.

      As for the slide? Who knows why they came up with such an example. Probably because they wanted the right answer to be reached through knowing the policy, as opposed to following one's gut feelings.

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    2. Re:Who'd a Thunk? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Hey....why not give us white guys this one, eh?

      I mean, in EVERY other forum, it is perfectly normal and acceptable to ridicule and rant against white guys....it is never discrimination if it's against a white guy.

      Hell, look on tv, on shows and commercials....any time there is a goof, or buffoon, it is....yep, almost always a fat white guy.

      Heaven forbid you have a black guy or gal be the brunt of the joke or buffoonary...you'd get flooded with emails and protests of mysogny or racism.

      Hell, for that matter.....when did people of the same race stop marrying or dating each other...? I mean, on so many commercials today, I see mixed race couples.

      Why do that when mixed race couples are such a minority in the US?

      You're seeing it so much, you'd think it was the common demographic in the US.

      Oh well...sorry, just a white guy spouting off here....guess it's time to get modded down, because...well, you know....

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    3. Re:Who'd a Thunk? by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh bullshit, white guys are still have more power and prestige in society than anyone else. Whining about how hard it is being a white guy makes you look extremely childish. And that fat white buffoon on the TV? He will always have a hot young wife. Oh look at that, the white guy is uncomfortable with mixed race couples and thinks there are too many of them on TV. Color me shocked.

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    4. Re: Who'd a Thunk? by saloomy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So who has more power and prestige in society: black men or white women? How about black women vs gay black men? Trying to rank demographics is what makes you a racist mother fucker and part of the problem. Yes, having white guys as the brunt of the jokes does a stereotype make, and it's sad. But it's not nearly as sad as trying to defend the stereotype because you feel achievement should be ridiculed. When we see past the stereotypes of who is being ridiculed, attacked, and disparaged is when racism will truely cease.

    5. Re:Who'd a Thunk? by lucm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh bullshit, white guys are still have more power and prestige in society than anyone else.

      Let's put "White male owned business" on a company website and see how much prestige it will gain. Or let's have a "Men in tech" conference, or a "White lives matter" demonstration or a "whitecupid.com" dating site, and then we can revisit your statement.

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    6. Re: Who'd a Thunk? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So who has more power and prestige in society: black men or white women? How about black women vs gay black men? Trying to rank demographics is what makes you a racist mother fucker and part of the problem.

      So close and yet so far. We're not running some sort of "Oppression Olympics" where the most oppressed demographic wins, at least not outside the minds of a bunch of internet commenters with a persecution complex.

      But things that people are biased against tend to have an additive effect. Pick some category, X then you will find that the people in X who are also, say, transsexual will on average have a harder time than those who are not.

      Yes, having white guys as the brunt of the jokes does a stereotype make, and it's sad.

      White guys form the majority of people on TV in the first place, so they're going to be the majority of all roles, including butt-of-joke ones.

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    7. Re: Who'd a Thunk? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem with this argument is that it's to do with medians and not individuals. If you pick a random white guy in the USA and compare him to a random woman of any colour, or to a black guy, then the odds are that he will have had more luck in the opportunities presented to him (which, for some reason, we now call 'privilege'). But there are a lot of individual pairs of white guy and black guy for which the converse is true. Do you think Obama had fewer opportunities than a white guy growing up in a trailer park?

      I'm a white guy, and I was fortunate to be born to comfortably off parents who valued education enough to send me to a good school and who encouraged my interests in a field that turned out to be in high demand. Every day on the way to work, I cycle past a few white guts who live on the street and have problems with substance abuse. Saying that we both have more power and prestige because we're white is nonsense. Some of us have more power and prestige because we have been really lucky. That correlates strongly with skin colour for various entrenched reasons to do with wealth distribution and social attitudes, but is in no way caused by skin colour.

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  2. While the point could be valid by tietokone-olmi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The author goes off the deep end when her ideology comes out somewhere halfway through the summary. To wit, the bit where she decries the disallowing of hate speech against white men in particular, because it's of course not possible to hate-speak against whitey for ~reasons~.

    1. Re:While the point could be valid by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "You need a society where there is systematic abuse of white men before they could possibly be the victim of hate speech."

      I never understood that twisted definition. I hear this commonly said, but it is completely made up. The words are "hate speech" not "denigrating speech targeted against a discriminated group"

    2. Re:While the point could be valid by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You need a society where there is systematic abuse of white men

      You mean like a society that has decided the only unprotected people are those that are both white and men?

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    3. Re:While the point could be valid by ganjadude · · Score: 3, Insightful

      just because you dont get offended (neither do i) does not in anyway let the racists off the hook simply because you are white and they arent. they are still racist

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    4. Re:While the point could be valid by tietokone-olmi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >It's impossible because it's not possible for them to be victimized in that way.

      Yeah, that's what the racist would say. Can't possibly murder a negro; at most it's damage to property, right?

      >Having your feelings hurt != hate speech.

      Concrete discrimination against whites today starts from exactly the ideology where whitey cannot possibly be hurt, or damaged, or discriminated against in any way. So we have things like gender-based admission quotas that stop applying the second that the proportion of women to men increases past 1:1, 3:2, or whatever it was; and assistance for the underclasses that're deliberately inapplicable to white people regardless of background.

    5. Re:While the point could be valid by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it's immoral to use race as a discriminator, then it's immoral regardless of the targeted race. If the racetype is used to determine the morality of the discrimination under the guise of fighting such discrimination, then the philosophy is illogical and self defeating.

      You need a society where there is systematic abuse of white men before they could possibly be the victim of hate speech.

      No. The individual situation matters, not some generalized assumption. You just need one person or institution in a position of power to discriminate for/against someone based on race for it to be an example of racism. The best thing for society is to provide a way for grievances to be heard in as unbiased a way as possible, equally, for ALL citizens. Your position (which is the popular GoodThink atm) demonizes specific groups (white/straight/male) by uniting everyone else against them (I'll let you draw the obvious historical parallels). By assuming it's just not possible for them to be discriminated against, you place them on second tier status, dehumanizing them.

  3. SJW by 110010001000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It must be very complicated trying to live as a SJW. I prefer just being nice to people.

  4. Re:Somewhat misleading headline by Rockoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The whole concept of "protected class" is bereft of morality...

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  5. Wow, this is SJW message shaping at its best by guruevi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First of all, the article makes it seem like whites are protected while blacks aren't. That isn't the case, everyone in a group gets equal rights to censorship.

    However this is a clear example of Simpson's Paradox, if you split up your sample set enough, you get contradictory results.

    This is a direct result of SJW demands for censorship with a healthy dose of discrimination, you get a patchwork of rules that is neither based on word of law or common sense and can be cut and paste to fit pretty much every model.

    You can boil down and extend every SJW argument using the same logic and see that what they are asking for is not protection but discrimination.

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    1. Re:Wow, this is SJW message shaping at its best by TheNarrator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What SJW want is to use their victim status to seize power and make whatever rules they feel like at the moment. An algorithm can't give them what they want because they don't want something that has limits and rules, they only want absolute, aribitrary power that doesn't have to explain itself consistently.

  6. So slashdot has to propagate the ignorant outrage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, this is taking the example way out of context. It's a perfect example of training material giving examples that on the surface seem legitimate and the having the less obvious example be the right answer. The example is done to prove a point and make people pay attention to detail. When talking about "protected" in today's world, everyone thinks of anything but white men. That's the point here. The right answer of an entire race is hiding with subsets of a gender and race.

    Had they shown a picture of black people, one of a white woman store clerk and one of white kids, people would have just chosen the picture of black people and not ever thought of why they did. To teach, you need to provoke thought, not just make it easy to select the right answer without knowing why.

  7. Re:Shouldn't there only be one trait? by x0ra · · Score: 1, Insightful

    who is stupid enough to believe science is unbiased ?