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Despite Hacking Charges, US Tech Industry Fought To Keep Ties To Russia Spy Service (reuters.com)
The U.S. tech sector pushed the government to keep ties with Russia's spy agency, despite reports that Moscow meddled in the U.S. presidential election, Reuters reported Friday. The sanctions imposed on Russia by the Obama administration last December outlawed U.S. companies from having relationships with Russia's spy agency, the Federal Security Service (FSB), which presented a dilemma to Western tech companies. Reuters says, the FSB also acts as a regulator that approves the importing of technology to Russia that contains encryption, which is used in products such as cellphones and laptops. Joel Schectman, Dustin Volz and Jack Stubbs, reporting for Reuters: Worried about the sales impact, business industry groups, including the U.S.-Russia Business Council and the American Chamber of Commerce in Russia, contacted U.S. officials at the American embassy in Moscow and the Treasury, State and Commerce departments, according to five people with direct knowledge of the lobbying effort. The campaign, which began in January and proved successful in a matter of weeks, has not been previously reported. [...] The sanctions would have meant the Russian market was "dead for U.S. electronics" said Alexis Rodzianko, president of the American Chamber of Commerce in Russia, who argued against the new restrictions. "Every second Russian has an iPhone, iPad, so they would all switch to Samsungs," he said. [...] The lobbyists argued the sanction could have stopped the sale of cars, medical devices and heavy equipment, all of which also often contain encrypted software, according to a person involved in the lobbying effort. The goal of the sanctions was to sever U.S. business dealings with the FSB -- not end American technology exports to Russia entirely, the industry groups argued. "The sanction was against a government agency that has many functions, only one of them being hacking the U.S. elections," said Rodzianko.
The whole Russian allegation thing has been brought out in the MAINSTREAM as FAKE NEWS. Keep living that lie, bud. Did you not get the memo from your string pullers?
--GBS
Once again politics tries to divide us and make US-Russia relations worse, while commerce tries to keep us together because it turns out it doesn't matter what country you are from, we ALL want to MAKE MONEY!
Deport all Muslims. Not even trolling.
Greed and something.
It could just be that buying the elections from the Russians is cheaper than buying the politicians directly.
Nae king! Nae laird! Nae yurrupiean pressedent! We willna be fooled again!
Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.
Despite the fact that all humans have basic needs and desires, the humans over there don't rationalise about those things in the same way the humans over here do.
Editors note: All humans can be found on the surface of spheroid that could fit into a box 8,000 miles on each side. Most humans won't live for more than 3 Saturnian years.
Silicon Valley companies make noise about LGBT issues, but do business in the Middle East.
The leaders of said companies also claim to support worker rights, but manufacturer goods in China where workers throw themselves off buildings due to stress.
And now "The President colluded with Russia, but we refuse to risk our money over it".
Businesses only want profits, that is the way of life we choose, lots of companies had ties with our country enemies (IBM sold computers to the nazis,Koch sold machinery and teached how to extract and process their oil to the soviet union, Apple uses China for manufaturing, etc.)
Businesses wants globalization but politics wants fragmentation and isolation.
When Reuters finally publishes independent verifiable evidence that the Russian government hacked one voting machine. As such there is no evidence. Even the US government admits no one voting machine was hacked, regardless of who the hacker may be.
But it's nice to know that Reuters peddlers in fake news.
Face it, Hillary sucked so bad she was a worse choice than Trump.
Nobody sensible ever believed it. Painting Russia as an enemy isn't really working, despite the provocations, and surrounding Russian borders with repeated military excercise provocations. US foreign policy desperately needs real change. The failures of US policies around the are saturated in the blood of innocent victims. The American regime needs to stop interfering in the affairs of other countries, particularly given the dire state of its own economy, and basic domestic public services.
Also, "nothing burger" and "no evidence". While the average CNN viewer is easily duped, the Tech Industry is better informed.
Every piece of this accusation and melodrama has been proven to be a senseless political hack. Give it up already.
Dream up something new to accuse your enemy of. Martians maybe...
Worried about the sales impact, business industry groups, including the U.S.-Russia Business Council and the American Chamber of Commerce in Russia, contacted U.S. officials at the American embassy in Moscow and the Treasury, State and Commerce departments, according to five people with direct knowledge of the lobbying effort. The campaign, which began in January and proved successful in a matter of weeks, has not been previously reported.
Good. Fucking. God.
A very apropos (mis)quote comes to mind:
"We will hang the capitalists with the rope that they sell us."
-- Vladamir Lenin
Alas, it was misattributed to Lenin [1]. Had he actually said this, he would be looking pretty prophetic these days, whether the rope is Cicso providing authoritarian regimes with back doors, tech companies wanting to keep doing business as usual during a cyberwar like these bozos, or the Internet in general.
We've sold them the rope, and they sure have hung us out to dry. Less than 200 days and the US will probably never recover the reputational damage Trump has already inflicted. By the end of year 4 our worldwide influence should be diminished to something comparable to Myanmar, if we're lucky.
References:
[1] https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin
Face it, there was meddling, and Hillary was only CLAIMED to be a worse choice than trump but it turns out trump was even worse than predicted and there's absolutely no evidence hillary would be as bad as was made out.
The U.S. tech sector pushed the government to keep ties with Russia's spy agency, despite reports that Moscow meddled in the U.S. presidential election, Reuters reported Friday.
So basically the press is complaining that their fake narrative hasn't managed to impact behavior?
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
...remember back in the days when doing business with Soviet Russia can either create suspicion, loss of security clearance, loss of job, or land you in jail. < /sarcasm >
mfwright@batnet.com
When someone claims it was hacking voting machines the Russians did?
Because until then I can give you your evidence here:
www.eclipse2017.org/2017/maps.htm
What? Not what evidence you demanded? No, sorry, that's not the claim I'm going to pretend you asked, just like you pretended a different claim from reality.
Enjoy!
See subject folks: Who & what REALLY "runs things"? Corporate "$" (the root of ALL evil that both JFK & Eisenhower warned of) - & IF anyone's "fighting to keep it" (assuming Kaspersky IS 'up to no good' which I doubt - sooner or later, especially nowadays as CS/tech grads ARE better/more proficient BY FAR than when I jumped into it academically etc. circa 1982-1994 & then a pro career 1`994-2008 when I 'semi-retired', the end goal)? It's they - always HAS been!
Pres. Trump = Agood man imo, so far @ least!
He, is stepping on a LOT of their toes & they do NOT like it (nor do the Masonic/Khazar-Pharisee/Jesuit order 'controllers', satanic screwballs the lot of them) isn't even taking Presidential pay to give the rest of us a chance vs. the sociopath LOONS causing the REAL havoc out there (they have to have ALL the 'pie' & imo, they're insecure freaks doing it, psychologically not realizing they BREED REVOLUTION starting wars, making enemies for FILTHY "Holy Dollar" (not) dead-presidents....which they will try to make Pres. Trump one of. Mark my words. Try to think from THEIR twisted psycho point of view... you see it fast. Know thyself but more importantly? KNOW THY ENEMY (the REAL ones).
Bank on it (pun intended) Soros & his Rothschild masters (part of the Khazar/Pharissee legacy Christ himself kicked the crap out of w/ Jeremiah too, & St. John called them "the synagogue of Satan" who CLAIM to be jews but are NOT but spirit cooking sicko satanic luciferian toads (as as Masons which they find out in 30++ degree - see Albert Pike to verify (who engineered HOW world wars 1-3 will be started & we're living it today))?
They're slowly raising FED (not Federal @ all, another lie from the slaves of the BIGGEST LIAR OF ALL their 'master) interest rates to make it happen. Look out for Sept. folks (pull out of the markets while you can & get away w/ YOUR loot @ least)...
Jesuits? I was schooled by them. They BREAK THEIR OWN LAWS (10 commandments, though shalt not kill, which they SWEAR THEY WILL for "the body of Christ on earth" our JESUIT POPE - wtf?) & are a major part of the swine too.
APK
P.S.=> Shit's making me sick. They're like Jackals attacking @ ALL ANGLES (via scumbag Saul Alinsky, another fake JEW admitted satanist "attack, attack") - what we're seeing now in FAKE news (especially CNN where John Bonnifield, a producer there, ADMITTED the 'russia' stuff = bs)? Only a distraction - the REAL deal is COLLAPSE the dollar & the US Economy, start a war, & serve their "master" (baphomet who bohemian grove whackos worship who is MOHAMMED (look it up folks) & violent ISLAM (hence them working in concert for all of this)... apk
Welcome to the big leagues, where evidence is required for actions that have consequences.
"The sanction was against a government agency that has many functions, only one of them being **the complete and utter destruction of the West,**" FTFY
See subject: "IF I said what's on my mind" (which I did ala https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmc_t7m2pC4/ ) take a listen.
I'm trying best I can for the good of all (NOT communism which FAILS intentionally via Trotsky the FAKE betrayer of his OWN peoples JUST LIKE GEORGE "psychopath" SOROS THE "MESSIACH" - since man's nature = poor (especially men sub 50-60 yrs. of age who BALLS run their DIM brains - especially thugs like Stalin but THAT shitbrain - a HIT waiting to FUCKING Happen... trust me but he's just a pawn too & knows it - delusions of "ABSOLUTE POWER" corrupt absolutely, unquestionably, fools...)).
* You like BOSTON? Per the link above - I do!
"You look up @ me (& judge me via illlogical ad hominem attacks you UNIDENTIFIABLE pisspot troll) & somewhere in your mind (sub carrot IQ & all, lol) you see..." or you look down YET YOU HIDE LIKE A FUCKING WORM, lol.
Get this: I do this, even for the good of a SHITHEAD like you...
(YOU WISH YOU WERE ME but then, per idealism, so do I - get it? I'm a "good of the whole" kind of guy - why?? ANY other way = the province of bogus evil, point-blank + destruction - driven by delusional mentally deficient WORSE THAN HEROIN ADDICTS SICKOS (that they push too - the PUSHER man)).
IF ONLY I COULD FIND A WAY - & "It gets harder EVERY DAY for me" (The kind of man I'll never be) as I'm on the way out (past 1/2 century only to see what's coming up behind me not only has NO BALLS. but a severe lack of CRITICAL thinking also & intelligence... easily herded morons).
I just don't wish the outcomes of being otherwise... wake the F up. I opened myself up on this one. That's fine. I can live w/ it.
See subject: YES, it is above "your kind" no balls UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous carrot brain.
Minus the spirit & ACTION of cooperation & overcoming SIMIAN ego? We are ALL dead (& just don't know it). FOR ME?? That's effort. How about you??? Paramecium such as yourself, do you possess the SENSITIVITY above the animal (which mankind CAN be out of self-preservation alone) to get that????
Again - I FREELY INVITE YOU TO PROVE MY HISTORICAL (& other points) incorrect... good luck but I hope you do. I can gain as well via valid correction.
APK
P.S.=> "I can't get ANY stronger & I can't climb any higher" (BOSTON) as "THERE"S NO TIME LEFT" (for me) Ala the Guess Who 1970 iirc - hopefully there is for STOOGES like you that attack me though (off-topic, worthless, paid for SOROS LOSERS like you motherfucker (you have NO heart, no LOVE & NO SOUL - I pity "your kind" - that's right - I see YOUR kind coming up behind me, heroin junkies & WHIMPS, pitiful (change douchebag)))... apk
Though Russia's government may have their hands in offensive foreign internet ops (I do not believe they could actually shift the vote counts of the machines), the tech industry needs access to their security experts. They have some of the best.
Meddling is what you say when you don't have any specific claims, or don't want to say what your claims are. You can imply that meddling means hacking the DNC, but it can also mean posting mean things about Hillary on twitter.
You can't prove that Russians didn't "meddle" because the internet has made the world flat. National borders are no barrier when it comes to social media, news sites, or anything on the internet.