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Russia Behind Cyber-attack, Says Ukraine's Security Service (bbc.com)

Ukraine says it has discovered who the perpetrators of last week's destructive ransomware attack are. From a report: Ukraine says it has proof that Russian security services were involved in the cyber-attack that targeted businesses around the world last week. The country's security service, the SBU, said it had obtained data that points to a link with an attack on the nation's capital, Kiev, in December. Ukrainian firms were among the first to report issues with malicious software on Tuesday, before the virus spread. Moscow denied any involvement, adding that the allegations were "unfounded". The virus, which disrupted IT systems across the globe, froze computers and demanded a ransom be paid in the digital currency Bitcoin, which is untraceable. Further reading: The Petya Ransomware Is Starting To Look Like a Cyberattack in Disguise.

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  1. bitcoin transactions are untraceable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    bitcoin transactions are untraceable?

    1. Re:bitcoin transactions are untraceable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Anyone who says Bitcoin is "untraceable" is an idiot, it's in a Public Ledger, that's how it bloody well works. It would be more accurate to say it's anonymous.

  2. Re:Cue treasonous denial of reality in 3.2.1. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck the USA!

  3. Re:Cue treasonous denial of reality in 3.2.1. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck you, and your shitty country.

  4. The Russians ate my homework... by Zemran · · Score: 4, Funny

    1. Wait for something bad to happen. 2. Blame it on Russia. 3. Ask the US for money.

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    1. Re:The Russians ate my homework... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      4. ??? 5. Blame DPRK.

    2. Re:The Russians ate my homework... by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      Your accusation is no more credible than anything anyone else has had to say, official or unofficial, and it's not like Vladamir Putin is such a saintly human being to start with that it's not plausible he and his forces are behind this and is being wrongly accused out of convenience. Of course if you have some verifiable intel on this and other recent events then please do present it here and CC it to the FBI, CIA, NSA, and the DoD, but otherwise don't expect us to take you and your random opinions any more seriously than anyone else.

    3. Re:The Russians ate my homework... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      6. Wait for Slashdot to remind everyone that EternalBlue was developed, and lost, by the NSA.

    4. Re:The Russians ate my homework... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, in that case it's easier to explain. Russia and Ukraine are at war, so of course Ukraine will blame as much as they can on Russia. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they aren't.

    5. Re:The Russians ate my homework... by king+neckbeard · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is in line with Russia's motives, but lying and blaming Russia is also in line with Ukraine's motives, particular if they are wanting US backing. This, neither claim should be trusted until we can see sufficient evidence.

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    6. Re:The Russians ate my homework... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ayup. My guess is as good as any: It was likely an unemployed Russian hipster living in his Babink'as basement who done it. So, not 'Russians', just 'Russian', singular.

    7. Re: The Russians ate my homework... by deathguppie · · Score: 1

      http://www.npr.org/2016/10/11/... There is a lot more than just this but I'm at work. Anyway even this is a waste of time because it wouldn't matter. Even the fact that Putin himself claimed that it may have been "loyalist Russian hackers" couldn't convince you that Russia was involved so I'm sure that pages of evidence would make no difference.

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    8. Re: The Russians ate my homework... by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 0

      You seem to be mis-reading me, which I'm becoming convinced is such a common error on the Internet that it's no wonder everyone screams at each other all the time.
      I, personally, DO think that Putin/Russia is involved in all sorts of things, NOT JUST meddling in our 2016 Presidential election. But it's kind of hard to be heard over an angry mob of 150,000,000 people who think that everything that doesn't fit neatly into their world-view is 'fake news', and who likely think that even Senate investigations into the matter are some sort of 'liberal conspiracy'.

    9. Re: The Russians ate my homework... by deathguppie · · Score: 1

      The US is already setting the Ukraine up with a distribution deal for US natural gas so they are going to be just fine financially. Russia has already annexed part of their country or did you forget that they don't need to convince us that Russia is hostile to them. If you are so willing to blind yourself to any external threat just because it disagrees with your political views I have very little hope that we will survive this.

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    10. Re:The Russians ate my homework... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The establishment is impatient. Replace step 1 with "make something bad happen".

    11. Re:The Russians ate my homework... by chispito · · Score: 1

      1. Wait for something bad to happen. 2. Blame it on Russia. 3. Ask the US for money.

      Well, let's see.
      1. Russia and Ukraine are essentially at war.
      2. Russia is one of the most capable countries when it comes to electronic espionage.
      3. Russia has already been waging this campaign against Ukraine for years now. See Andy Greenberg's recent Wired article. The intrusions are well-documented.

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    12. Re: The Russians ate my homework... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there was any evidence... Can't you see this all stems from Trump joking that it would be great if hackers find Hillarys emails? No evidence = conspiracy theory.

    13. Re: The Russians ate my homework... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The way the Senate investigations are so far only investigating things that are not a crime. It is not a crime for American's to talk to the Russians. Everything they are investigating happened when Trump and those close to him were private US citizens and not government officials. So far the entire investigation has produced only vague innuendo with no evidential proof of a crime. Everyone involved in the investigations have already acknowledged that there is no evidence of vote tampering during the election. If there was evidence to backup all the accusations thrown at Trump it would have been made public long ago. And the whole FBI issue is also a farce. The Democrats were demanding Comey be fired ever since last summer. And firing Comey would not bring a halt to any ongoing FBI investigations. His replacement would just pick up the baton and continue any ongoing investigations. Trump would have needed to fire half the FBI to halt any ongoing investigations. And if Comey believed Trump was doing anything illegal to stop the investigations it was his sworn duty to report that information to the Justice Department and he did not.
      And not many people are aware that the Legislative Branch has laws and internal regulations prohibiting public investigations of their members. Any shadowy communications between the Legislative branch and foreign agents are not subject to any oversight or public investigations. This compliments the fact that 80% of the legislators demanding Trump release his tax returns will not release their own. They are claiming only the President should release his tax returns for transparency but claim that releasing their own tax returns violates their privacy. Like the President they are elected officials holding powerful positions and their tax returns should also be transparent. These are the same honor less idiots holding positions with no term limits and no restrictions on the amount of bribes, otherwise known as campaign contributions, the collect over the years. The Legislative Branch has successfully made sure the spotlight stays on the President instead of them selves. When are people going to realize the President cannot do anything without the approval of the Legislature? The power to ruin the country is firmly ensconced in the Legislative Branch of government not the Executive Branch. The President can declare war but needs legislative approval after 60 days to continue the military operation. The Legislature controls the government checkbook and can refuse to fund any military operations the President may make. Every US military operation since 1991 has required Senate approval. Senators loudly condemn the President for participating in foreign military operations but then vote to authorize the Presidents actions they are castigating the President for. If they are that devoted to peace why do they give carte blanch to the President's military adventures? The President has veto power but this can be overridden by the legislative branch. Obama included closing Gitmo as one of his goals in his campaign promises. This should have been a slam dunk for the Commander in Chief since Gitmo is operated by the military but Congress stepped in to throw every obstacle they could come up with to keep the site operating.

      Trump is an idiot but he is restricted by term limits and will be gone in a few years. He really does not have the power to ruin the country. US public policy runs mostly on inertia. A President doesn't have the power to push that inertia onto a different tragectory. Anything he does implement can be disavowed by the next President. There are Senators who have been in office for over 10,15, and + 20 years. They literally have years to run the country into the ground and they are not known to reverse any of their decisions as time goes on. But lets all look like idiots blathering against Trump while the people responsible for every flawed policy in the past 100 years continue reeking their destruction while always trying to fob off their incompetence and corruption on the President.

    14. Re: The Russians ate my homework... by deathguppie · · Score: 2

      Hmm.. Well personally I'm not trying to push a liberal or conservative agenda at all. The first most important thing to understand is that Russian meddling is not pro conservative or liberal. It's all about destabilization. Helping Trump is far less important to them as was the destabilizating rhetoric that they could push onto the American public.

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    15. Re:The Russians ate my homework... by tinkerton · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The article's central message is plausible: Russia running a cyberwar against Ukraine and at the same time trying to build up knowhow. But at the same time the author knows that he can write anything about Russia and it will be believed. At the same time the story is part of a large anti-Russia and anti Trump campaign.

        I don't keep track so I don't have a lot of links ready but I know the news about a russian cyberattack on US powerplant was bogus. Russian hacking of DNC was bogus.Russian-Trump links are bogus. Russian hacking of french elections was bogus. But these debunkings only come through very slowly. On the other side there is a barrage of claims that is so overwhelming nobody can begin to debunk them.

      And I see good reasons why the democrats and the military industrical complex prefer to have high tensions with Russia and why they want to blame Russia for the failed elections. And I see why the press goes along with it.

      And I think that whatever Russia is doing(a lot less than claimed, but certainly a lot of business as usual nasty stuff) it's a good idea to improve the ties with them rather than deteriorate them. That is my opinion about policy. That it's in the west's interest. I also think they're open for chances for improvement , at least as long as Putin is there.

      But look at this thread. It's almost unanimous against Russia. Any outsider looking here without any knowledge of the situation would know, this is bad. It means no good thinking will come out of it.(there's more reasons for that though). It also means propaganda is still very effective here and now.

      So the article of the topic here may have a good degree of truth, but it's all part of an anti-russian frenzy which I think is a very bad idea.

      Here's a new link about a lot of the hacking stories. It covers quite some ground. I'd have to dig for the rest. The ones I mentioned are some I'm pretty certain of although one can debate how convincing the proof is.
      https://consortiumnews.com/201...

      I didn't discuss Trump. I'd like to get rid of him but I'm convinced the current campaign to link him to Russia is extremely dishonest. He's right about that. Maybe he'll go down because in his efforts to stop them he'll do something very illegal. Or maybe he'll stay in power because he made the right friends. The Saudis and the weapons manufacturers for instance. Then all that the anti Russia campaign will have achieved is to give us the worst of both worlds. Thanks for cooperating everyone.

    16. Re:The Russians ate my homework... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      it's a good idea to improve the ties with them rather than deteriorate them. That is my opinion about policy. That it's in the west's interest. I also think they're open for chances for improvement , at least as long as Putin is there.

      Yes.

      But look at this thread. It's almost unanimous against Russia.

      It's not anti-Russia, it's anti-Trump. Russia is just the latest proxy for the true target of their wrath, which is the orange guy. They don't actually care about Russia at all.

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    17. Re: The Russians ate my homework... by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Agree wholeheartedly; congratulations, you Get It. Trump is just a side-effect of a longer-term game plan. Unfortunately it's about as much fun for U.S. as a colonoscopy sans anaesthetic.

    18. Re: The Russians ate my homework... by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Lack of evidence could very well mean that Russias operatives were top-notch and did their job well; a top-notch theif leaves no trace, and a top-notch killer leaves no forensic evidence to link him to killings; top-notch cyber-operatives would be slick enough to not leave evidence, or leave false trails to mislead investigations. It's much easier to do than if it was physical evidence. Regardless you don't just ignore the whole thing and pretend none of it happened. If anyone is messing with our elections or anything else in this country then we need to know about it and stop it.

      Trump himself may not have the power to completely bugger the U.S., but his cabinet and his appointments certainly can, and most/many/all of them could be around long after he's gone -- especially any SCOTUS appointments he gets pushed through. He may not have the power himself but he certainly can help drive the processes that cause massive damage.

    19. Re:The Russians ate my homework... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're missing the forest for the trees. Trump may be a useful idiot (certainly the latter) and Russia did interfere with our elections (and others'). Sure, crying Russia for every incident is dumb (my Splunk shirt says "Because you can't always blame Canada"). Russians can be our pals (I know many from my days at NASA) but trusting Putin is trusting that I won't take your Queen if you leave her open even if I lose a Rook & Bishop. The guy is driven by rebuilding Mother Russia as Trump is by praise.

      -T

    20. Re:The Russians ate my homework... by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      Yeah right, 'You can't trust him!' 'You can't trust him!' Trust him with what? If you're weak he'll take advantage of it, what's new in that? As opposed to whom?
      But if you make an agreement you've got a good chance he'll stick to it.

      I think Russia has legitimate interests But then I also think the same thing about North Korea. Putin is someone one can talk to but remove him and you'll get people who are very anti-western , who've given up on the west completely. It has to be said they have good reasons for it.

    21. Re:The Russians ate my homework... by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      I could go along with that but narratives feed on each other. Russia IS the new bad guy again. Take away Trump and the Russia scare won't go away, and vice versa.
      One reason Trump ran into a lot of resistance was because he was not interested in maintaining North Korea and Russia as enemies. By now any attempt at getting along with them amounts to treason, or proof he's been a stooge all along.
      A reason Trump may survive is that he can be flexible in such things. If he just follows the money he may survive.

    22. Re:The Russians ate my homework... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Take away Trump and the Russia scare won't go away, and vice versa.

      The Russia scare won't go away as long as it's perceived to be effective in winning votes.

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  5. But last week it was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last week there was proof it came from North Korea, wasn't there?

    1. Re:But last week it was... by chill · · Score: 2

      No, that was the original WannaCry outbreak. Petya is a repurposed version that exploits the same unpatched vulnerability. It first turned up in Ukraine though, IIRC, an update infected accounting software.

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    2. Re: But last week it was... by bestweasel · · Score: 2

      Not only that, but the infected Ukrainian software MeDoc, was one of only 2 accounting packages which could be used by companies there. The other, made by the Russian company 1C, was banned by the Ukrainian government in May as part of sanctions against Russia for their invasion of Crimea.

  6. The Russians made Americans vote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for Trump, so also doing this is no surprise. Americans no longer have freewill. Putin controls them.

    1. Re: The Russians made Americans vote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. That control is Russia Jr now. Putin controls everything, especially the media.

    2. Re:The Russians made Americans vote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Putin forced Hillary to not campaign in the midwest? Wow, he's powerful. /s

    3. Re:The Russians made Americans vote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump supporters: dumber than cattle

    4. Re:The Russians made Americans vote... by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      So, how did Russia infiltrate the Clinton campaign and make them adopt the 'Pied Piper" strategy? is Clinton herself a Russian mole?

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    5. Re: The Russians made Americans vote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      American is a Putin puppet.

    6. Re: The Russians made Americans vote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. He hacked the voters.

    7. Re: The Russians made Americans vote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The republicans hate us, so they let him hack the election. They even gave him the encryption keys. Just because they hate us. Why do they hate us so much?

  7. Cue the putinbots army by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Putinbots army in 3... 2... 1...

    1. Re:Cue the putinbots army by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Right. Anyone who doesn't swallow the status quo and blindly believes what they say is from the "putinbots army", and can immediately be accused of some sort of wrongdoing. Pull your head out of the sand.

    2. Re:Cue the putinbots army by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hacking? Cyberattack? The Internet experts instantly blame Putin and Russia, like Pavlov dogs. Wait, Pavlov was Russian too. Coincidence? I don't think so.

      I bet the Knights Templar planted Pavlov into Russia to discover conditioning, so that a hundred years later they could use his theories to blame cyberattacks on Putin. It all makes sense!

      I think this theory makes only slightly less sense than "Putinbots" with native English skills and knowledge of US politics. Could it just be people who don't trust the mainstream narrative? No, that never happens, we all think the same thoughts here in the enlightened West.

    3. Re:Cue the putinbots army by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Awww, poor poor putinbot.

      The russian overuse of cyber warfare is now coming back to roost as no-one not already convinced that Putin is innocent of directing cyber attacks believes that he didn't do it. Whether or not there is clear proof or not that Putin directed his "patriotic hackers", Putin profits and is thus blamed for the actions.

      It's soo unfair they whine...

    4. Re:Cue the putinbots army by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      +2 insightful for that?? This is what happens when you give retards mod points. Way to go, losers, you've completely trashed the moderation system on this board, requiring people to browse at -1 and ignore the moderation system entirely. If that was your goal, bravo, I guess.

    5. Re:Cue the putinbots army by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, the "everyone who doesn't agree with me is part of an evil agenda" argument. (Captcha: coexists)

    6. Re:Cue the putinbots army by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Is it so inconceivable that mistrusting the mainstream narratives does not equal trust in Putin?

    7. Re: Cue the putinbots army by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      One way you Putinbots give yourselves away is by showing off your knowledge. You think the average Trump supporter would go on about Pavlov and the Knights Templar? Far too European, comrade.

  8. Russian companies were hit by that Petya thing by atomlib · · Score: 2, Informative

    Whatever it was, that Petya thing hit bunch of Russian companies as well. For example, it hit Russia's top oil providers Rosneft and Bashneft. Some of them suffered quite a bit. Invitro, a nationwide network of private medical laboratories, temporarily ceased samples collection due to the cyberattack.

    1. Re:Russian companies were hit by that Petya thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What will be more important in the long run is not that Russian companies were affected, but how they ended up getting their decryption keys.

  9. Re:Cue treasonous denial of reality in 3.2.1. by phantomfive · · Score: 0

    It does bring up an interesting point, though. The attacks on Ukraine do have strong evidence linking them to Russia, if not the Russian government.

    At the same time, the US government's report on Russian 'hacking the election' relied heavily on the fact that 'the attacks were similar to how Russia normally operates cyberattacks." And yet, the Ukrainian attacks are quite different than the ones on the DNC.

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  10. Re:Cue treasonous denial of reality in 3.2.1. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's why attacked our democracy to install his puppet.

    Revealing what the anti-democratic Democrats were saying about democracy isn't an attack.
    Nor do I believe the claim that that's what got us our Cheeto-in-chief.

  11. Wow...wait a moment... by bogaboga · · Score: 1

    Russia Behind Cyber-attack, Says Ukraine's Security Service

    I think it's premature to jump to such conclusions since we know that our very own CIA has also been implicated...

    Vault 7 and more.

  12. It's the new and latest fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    blaming Russia for everything. It's funny how it's been evident how vast the U.S. sabotage of European networks etc. has been the last decade or two from the recent NSA and CIA leaks, but somehow they quickly evaded all the rage.

    That, and making Russia the new scapegoat, is succesful propaganda and manipulation of public opinion, and it's all it is.

  13. Re: Cue treasonous denial of reality in 3.2.1. by deathguppie · · Score: 1

    Also the fact that leaked emails from the Democrats had been edited using a Cyrillic version of MS office and the changes where direct cut and paste from Russian propaganda sites like sputnik...

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  14. Re: For all my friends browsing at -1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somewhere out on the Internet, in some kinky erotic fetish forum, there currently are some furious political arguments occurring.

  15. Re:Cue treasonous denial of reality in 3.2.1. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not so sure that Donald Trump himself is directly a puppet, I think his strings are being pulled by person(s) in his administration, and that he's just the typical 'great white male' power-hungry jackass with delusions of grandeur that historically gets used. It might even be a cabal within the Republican party itself, conspiring with Russia to steal the election out from under Hillary Clinton -- not that Clinton would have been any better overall than Trump, it would have been just a different flavor of bad and evil. The ugly truth of the matter is, there wasn't a single candidate in the 2016 election that was really truly suitable to run this country (I almost said 'The Greatest Nation on Earth', but we haven't been that since World War 2) so it didn't really matter who got elected or how, 300,000,000 people here (and most of the rest of the free world) end up losing regardless. The only good thing that would have come out of Clinton being elected would have been that it wasn't due to foreign influence and/or hacking of our electoral process.

    Even while we're picking up the pieces of the farce that was the 2016 election, and while we're investigating and uncovering the conspiracy and outside influences, and (with any luck, closing the holes that allowed it to happen), then repairing the damage the Trump 'administration' is causing to this country and it's reputation with the rest of the free world (if that's even possible in our lifetime at this point), there's a bigger concern: containing Vladimir Putin and his ambitions of empire. If it's not exceedingly clear to anyone at this point that Putin wants to build a new Russian empire, then you're either not paying attention, or you're in deep denial. The invasion of Crimea was just a proof-of-concept, to see if he would be allowed to get away with it ('achievement unlocked', apparently). The meddling and hacking of the 2016 U.S. election, and other elections in various countries, is helping lay the groundwork for further Russian military actions in the EU, by installing leadership in key NATO countries that will be more sympathetic to Putin and Russia (or just plain more easily manipulated). I'd imagine the next big-ticket item on his to-do list will be to dismantle NATO, or at least weaken it to the point where it's ineffective. Influencing/hacking the BrExit vote helps to destabilize the EU, which in turn will help destabilize NATO. France is another big piece of the puzzle, and it's unclear to me whether or not Macron would ultimately be a help or a hindrance to Russia; I'm leaning towards Macron being a hindrance. The ongoing war in Syria, and the continual stream of refugees from that country, is also a further destabilizing force in EU countries, especially Germany; does anyone actually think that Putin actually likes Assad? Assad is a butcher, plain and simple, waging a war of extermination against his own citizens; even Putin must have to hold his nose when dealing with Assad, and the Syrian conflict and Assad are just more tools for Putin to use. Daesh (so-called 'Islamic State'), for all we know, might even be getting some clandestine support from Putin, just because they've been so good at destabilizing the entire region; even I would lean away from this however because of how over-the-top, savagely, animalistically violent Daesh has been; they have NO friends anywhere. Even Al-Qaeda distanced themselves from them as 'too extreme'. More likely, Putin is using Daesh as an excuse to 'help' Syria, and is playing off the refugee crisis it's causing, as distraction for everything else going on (like the invasion of Crimea, for instance, and continual cyberattacks, which are masquerading as 'cyber crime').

    Oh, and one more thing: don't blame most of the people who (actually) voted for Trump; in the parlance of the old Soviet Union, they're just 'useful idiots', whether they knew who and what they were voting for or not. The sad truth is that most U.S. voters really don't have (or can't have) a full enough grasp of the Big Picture to really kn

  16. Re: Cue treasonous denial of reality in 3.2.1. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you smoking pot or are you a lsd user? Otherwise what "ms office"? are you seeing in plain text and hashes?

  17. The only true security is renewables by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 0

    Look, Russia is a failed fossil fuel export state.

    The only thing propping them up is the fossil fuels they can export, and a few things like steel.

    Cut them off at the root. Replace imported Russian oil and gas with Renewable energy everywhere.

    When they cut, double down. When they hack, triple down. When they do both, quadruple investments in solar and wind.

    Make them bleed.

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    1. Re:The only true security is renewables by Hentes · · Score: 1

      You do realise that Russia is already under economic sanctions by the US and EU. It hurts them, but doesn't cripple them.

    2. Re:The only true security is renewables by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      My point stands. Half of warfare is economics. Now, I could go into how one targets Russian control structures and all the other fun things I learned during the Cold War II, but this is Cold War III and the simple take home is this:

      Worried about Russia interfering? Build solar and wind yourself where you are.

      This both shortens your supply lines and increases your resilience to Russian infrastructure attacks.

      And cuts off their revenue.

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    3. Re:The only true security is renewables by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Yes, because that worked out so well against Japan in the 1930's.

      Why do you want to pull the tiger's tail?

    4. Re:The only true security is renewables by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      Because we don't fear the bear.

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    5. Re:The only true security is renewables by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Hitler, Napoleon, and others have made that mistake...

    6. Re:The only true security is renewables by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that would be an effective way of combating Russia, but that doesn't make powerful people in this country rich, so I think you're missing the point.

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    7. Re:The only true security is renewables by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

      No, they invaded Russia.

      Others invaded Afghanistan.

      Neither is a wise choice. Said as some fellow soldiers I knew died in Afghanistan while the US bugged out to Iraq.

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    8. Re:The only true security is renewables by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 0

      Then you don't know your history...

      Why did Japan bomb Pearl Harbor?

      Now you want to do to Russia what the US did to Japan in the 1930's. Japan did not start the war with the US, the US started it with Japan.

      Now you want to do the same with Russia.

    9. Re:The only true security is renewables by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      Because we don't fear the bear.

      Exactly.When we're enthusiastically demonizing some party it means we're not scared of them. There have been exceptions, but that's long ago.

    10. Re:The only true security is renewables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you don't know your history...

      Maybe you don't.

      Why did Japan bomb Pearl Harbor?

      Because they were stupid.

      Now you want to do to Russia what the US did to Japan in the 1930's. Japan did not start the war with the US, the US started it with Japan.

      Now you want to do the same with Russia.

      Tell Russia, that we don't agree with what they're doing, and we don't want to deal with them? HORRORS!

      Japan chose to attack at Pearl Harbor.

      Your revisionist history seems to lose sight of that, perhaps the same way you try to revise the American Civil War.

      I never knew Texas school books were going that far, but I suppose nothing is surprising these days.

  18. Re: Cue treasonous denial of reality in 3.2.1. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That moron can't be explained by pot of LSD. He's been huffing paint for a decade, easy. Believes every bit of disinformation he's trolled with.

  19. Re: Cue treasonous denial of reality in 3.2.1. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, you've got it completely backwards, as well as mixing up the various times the Dems go hacked. The Cyrillic characters were from the Guccifer 2.0 leaks, along with a commie hero username or something along those lines.

    The Podesta emails were unaltered (and many were DKIM verified), but Sputnik inaccurately reported that an email excerpt from Eichenwald in an email sent by Blumenthal was written by Blumenthal herself, after which they deleted it. Then, American news outlets used that to claim that the emails themselves were altered, because that's way scarier than Russian sites missing a 'by' in an email and reporting sloppily.

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  20. Ukraine says... by qaz123 · · Score: 1

    Of course Ukraine would say that. No matter it's true or not. Because that hurts Russia and that what Ukraine wants now

    1. Re:Ukraine says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And rightly so. No amount of hurt will be enough to punish the horrors commited in Ukraine and the other former soviet republics by the former communist regime.

  21. Re:Cue treasonous denial of reality in 3.2.1. by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1, Funny

    What about the damage that Obama did? You don't seem concerned by that much...

    Your true colors shine...

  22. Re:Cue treasonous denial of reality in 3.2.1. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    I almost said 'The Greatest Nation on Earth', but we haven't been that since World War 2

    Don't be so negative. Korea was an honourable draw.

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  23. Pick a side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Either you want Russia to get the Ukraine or you don't. If you do, anyone BUT Russia did it, no matter what, EVER! #MAGA

  24. Re: For all my friends browsing at -1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Welcome to the dungeon.

    The musk of semen lingers. A bunch of men wearing gimp suits sit cross-legged in front of a tube television playing C-SPAN.

    A man in a petty coat--he's BUILT! Some sort of bouncer?... for this place?--emerges from the shadows and manhandles you away from the festivities.

    "I'll need to see your politicalcompass.org test results first," he commands with stately authority.

  25. Re:Cue treasonous denial of reality in 3.2.1. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The conspiracy is deep with this one.

  26. Pretty string evidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pretty string evidence, these hackers are so dumb they have never heard of a proxy.

  27. So... by BrianMarshall · · Score: 1

    Is an open holster equivalent to a smoking gun?

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    1. Re:So... by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If a dog has a history of being aggressive and biting, do you forget about it a minute later and let it bite you again? Russia/Putin has already taken aggressive military action in one case, and is being revealed as taking 'virtual' actions in other cases, and more are suspected. How many times do you need to get bitten before you stop trusting the dog?

  28. Re:Cue treasonous denial of reality in 3.2.1. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Considering that I never mentioned Obama at all I don't see where you have a valid point at all, but I do see that you're just wanting to stir shit up for no reason -- or perhaps are a Russia shill, or a Russian operative, astroturfing U.S. discussion forums as per your Fearless Leaders orders. In either case you can bugger off, you've been made and therefore have failed. Now scurry off back to your handlers and make your report like a good boy, and make yourself a new account here now that you'll have to burn this one.

  29. Re:Cue treasonous denial of reality in 3.2.1. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    Perhaps, and we certainly get along okay with S. Korea still (even though some of the things they engage in aren't all that nice so far as I'm concerned -- but nothing compared to their cousins to the north) but I'd tend to think that any goodwill we earned up to that point in the region was burned because of Vietnam, and things just kept going downhill from there.

  30. Re:Cue treasonous denial of reality in 3.2.1. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everything I'm looking at has been in the news, and I'm just connecting the dots. Do try to keep up, AC. I'm far from the only person in the U.S. who is putting these things together, and most of them are really quite obvious.