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Amazon Threatened To Kill Its Whole Foods Deal if the Grocer Started a Bidding War (recode.net)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Amazon has long had a reputation as a hard-ball negotiator. It turns out its negotiations with Whole Foods leading up to its $13.7 billion acquisition agreement were no different, according to an SEC filing outlining a timeline of the talks between the two companies. On May 23, Amazon made a written offer to acquire Whole Foods for $41 a share, less than a month after the first meeting between senior executives of the companies, the filing said. Whole Foods came back with a counterproposal of $45 a share, which got Amazon to increase its offer to $42. But Amazon's bankers from Goldman Sachs then "stressed several times" that the increase to $42 represented Amazon's "best and final offer." Amazon's bankers "also made it clear again ... that Amazon.com would disengage from its efforts to acquire the company and pursue other alternatives and initiatives if the $42.00 per share price were not accepted," the filing said, "and that Amazon.com expected that the company would not approach other potential bidders while the company was negotiating with Amazon.com." Amazon also threatened it would walk away if the talks leaked to the press, which they did not. Translation: $42 or nada.

173 comments

  1. Only works if you've got all the leverage by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

    It's a buyer's market. Amazon could've bought any one of the big grocery chains and the news would've crushed the stocks of all the ones he didn't buy.

    1. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      Not sure that this is true. Whole Foods was/is ostensibly in a different market than most grocery chains are.

      Whole Foods is all about the brand. While this is a recipe for profit, its also fragile as hell. Deep pockets like Amazon could destroy the business by targeting the brand.

      So I think Whole Foods simply chose the win-win option instead of the option where they definitely get hurt.

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    2. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I think Whole Foods simply chose the win-win option instead of the option where they definitely get hurt.

      When Guido shows up saying, "It'd be a real shame if something happened to that brand o' yours."
      Then yes, you make the smart "choice"...

    3. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or CNN...

    4. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure that this is true. Whole Foods was/is ostensibly in a different market than most grocery chains are.

      But the question is, what did Amazon want out of Whole foods?

      Whole Foods is all about the brand. While this is a recipe for profit, its also fragile as hell. Deep pockets like Amazon could destroy the business by targeting the brand.

      Hence making it a bad reason to go after the image of Whole Foods anyway.

      So I think Whole Foods simply chose the win-win option instead of the option where they definitely get hurt.

      They wouldn't get hurt, they'd just have to take a different offer. Which they may not have had.

    5. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    6. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by swb · · Score: 1

      I don't even know if it's about the brand as much as it is about the demographic and the locations.

    7. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      What did Amazon want out of Whole Foods?

      The chump list. Duh.

      Whole food's customers are stupid money. Everybody likes stupid money.

      If you have an entry in Whole Foods database, expect Amazon to raise your prices, you obviously _like_ to overpay.

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    8. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Something has indeed happened to CNN's brand lately.

    9. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      But the question is, what did Amazon want out of Whole Foods?

      I haven't been studying this one much, but my sense is the most compelling thing about Whole Foods would be its size and footprint. While many grocery chains have stores in as many marketable locations as they can, WF has been more selective by necessity, they have about 450 stores in total, big enough to be important, but not so big as to make fundamental change harder or riskier. I'm sure there are a wealth of other reasons, but I bet size was a big factor.

    10. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by dougdonovan · · Score: 1

      its just good business.

    11. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Entirely self inflicted, and good riddance.

    12. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CNN was not looking to buy Whole Foods.

    13. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      Guido would never go as high as $42/share.

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    14. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gullible? Whole Foods? No. Next you'll be saying the non-GMO salt and homeopathic remedies you can get there are bad investments.

    15. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whole food's customers are stupid money. Everybody likes stupid money.

      I disagree with that. The two closest grocery stores to me are Safeway and Whole Foods. I like being able to buy hamburger meat that doesn't smell like sewage. Plus, Whole Foods has much better bread and milk. My local one carries Smith Brothers Farms which is $10 per gallon, but worth it. It is that much better. Yes, I pay twice as much for hamburger meat and bread, but it's worth it.

      If you avoid the ridiculously priced things like the Himalayan salt that is $55 a pound that my friends buy, then it isn't that much more expensive.

    16. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by zerocool512 · · Score: 1

      I agree, CNN has gotten way better in these last few months.

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    17. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. It's not capitalism though. It's communism. One player controls everything, including the state.

    18. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by murdocj · · Score: 0, Troll

      I'd say CNN's brand has gone up. It's been willing to challenge the big bully on the block. The bully may not like it, but lots of other folks do.

    19. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is a contrived example. Safeway wells garbage meat so of course WF is better.

    20. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by knightghost · · Score: 2

      Same with FOX the last 8 years.

      Problem is that "news" is no longer interested in facts.

    21. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not a fair comparison since Safeway always buys the worst quality meat and milk.

    22. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Safeway has killed people with bad meat. I don't think WF has killed that many people.

    23. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon certainly has with their slow shipping. A neighbor bought repair parts for his iron lung from them, and they showed up six weeks after he died.

    24. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Great illustration: How much is a list of people like the parent (smug chumps) worth? A fucking fortune, maybe not $14 billion though.

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    25. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recently got cable for the first time in my life, and I really like how about 90% of CNN's coverage is anti-Trump. I certainly will support that bias monetarily.

    26. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Don't go to the closest grocery store then. The closest to me is my local butcher and fishmonger and I can get quality at very low prices. I think I have a Whole Foods near me but nobody I know has ever gone out of their way to go there, I don't even know anyone that's ever been there. It's kind of like Costco for hippies.

      We do have the worlds highest rated grocery chain in our area though, even Trader Joe can't get a hold in our market.

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    27. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in downtown Seattle and work Seattle Hundreds and don't have a car. I don't have much choice so I pay twice as much at Whole Foods to buy meat that doesn't make me sick.

    28. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're correct, but I would love to see numbers on how many people each grocery store chain has killed. I know eating meat from Safeway has made me very sick.

    29. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Only works if you're commenting on the right article.

    30. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Safeway sells the lowest quality garbage that doesn't kill you. Whole Foods only has a market because other grocery stores cut corners.

    31. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not everyone has a real butcher close by. I live in Seattle so I'm stuck with Safeway being the only choice within walking distance. Their meat so often makes me sick.

    32. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. If other grocery stores sold things like meat and bread that were good, WF would go out of business.

    33. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last order I did from Amazon took six weeks before it was shipped. I will never buy from them again.

    34. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. There's a reason people pay more at Whole Foods. They don't want their family members to get sick like if they bought from Safeway.

    35. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Protip: if it isn't "Prime" it isn't Amazon.

    36. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My last purchase from Amazon was a motorcycle battery. It got to me after summer ended even though I placed the order in the middle of June. Summer doesn't last that long here in Seattle so that just sucked. I now buy elsewhere.

    37. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here. I bought a portable AC from Amazon, but I didn't get it until after summer was over here.

    38. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have Prime and bought a microwave that was supposed to be delivered the same day. It took nearly five weeks to be delivered. I can literally see their buildings in South Lake Union from my bedroom.

    39. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought a car battery on Amazon. It took nearly a month before I received it. It sucked riding the bus for that month.

    40. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're lucky the battery worked. I had to send a car battery back to Amazon, and that cost me over forty dollars. I'll never buy something heavy again over the Internet.

    41. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glad to hear you didn't have to return it. The battery I bought from Amazon.com was bad, and they made me pay shipping back.

    42. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by Proudrooster · · Score: 1

      Amazon crushed my Kroger stock by 20% ..... still not happy about that. :(

    43. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After having to pay over $40 to ship a bad battery back to Amazon, I don't see why anyone would ever buy from them.

    44. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Amazon wants profitable warehousing and distribution for a wider Prime Fresh Footprint.

      they may even be able to make whole foods more profitable.

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    45. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never order something heavy from Amazon.

    46. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by lucm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's been willing to challenge the big bully on the block.

      You mean: they've been willing to show everyone that they're basically a mouthpiece for the Democrats. If you want to hear biased things you already agree with, that's a good channel for you. Enjoy. But it's not news.

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    47. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you ever buy something heavy from Amazon? The return shipping is just a killer.

    48. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would anyone ever do that?

    49. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why on the hell would you ever order something from Amazon that would be expensive to ship back?

    50. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I ordered eight LR44 batteries from them my last order, and it took nearly twelve weeks to get them. That sucked.

    51. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought a microwave that didn't work out of the box. Shipping back was over half of the cost of the microwave. I learned my lesson.

    52. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. CNN is biased the right way.

    53. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seven weeks for my last order. It was so long that I forgot about it and bought a GFCI outlet from Lowes. I'll never use the spare I now have from Amazon.

    54. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by nwf · · Score: 1

      That sounds like one of those marketplace sellers from china. Read who is selling it. I wish they had an option to hide all marketplace items and sellers.

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    55. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, but Safeway is cheaper. I don't get sick that often from it.

    56. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why in the hell would you ever order a car battery from Amazon? They have a limited shelf live, plus shipping them back is very expensive if the battery is dead. I made that mistake once. It cost me $43 at my local UPS store to ship the car battery back the time I made that mistake. The battery was only $65 so it ended-up costing me almost two thirds more than what I originally paid.

    57. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My last order from Amazon took over four months. I don't understand why anyone would ever buy from them.

    58. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cook the meat before eating it.

    59. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you needed it now, why would you ever order from amazon.com? They're usually very slow to ship.

    60. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you ever order something time sensitive from Amazon?

    61. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My last order from amazon.com took eighteen weeks. I don't understand why people still buy from them.

    62. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      >When Guido shows up saying, "It'd be a real shame if something happened to that brand o' yours."

      Wouldn't Guido be making threats about your use of braces for defining scope?

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    63. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was their cheaper price worth it? Sometimes it is or amazon.com wouldn't have survived.

    64. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And just over three months for me then the battery I bought from them didn't work. I paid over half of the price of the battery to ship it back.

    65. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Working 16 hours a day most days sucks. Doesn't your company provide meals?

    66. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm curious too. After Jack in the Box killed so many people here, the media decided to not report on Safeway's problems.

    67. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recently got cable for the first time in my life, and I really like how about 90% of CNN's coverage is anti-Trump. I certainly will support that bias monetarily.

    68. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great handle though.

      BeauHD and Beau1080 are both definitely retards.

    69. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I really like how about 90% of CNN's coverage is anti-Trump.

      So they're flattering him?

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    70. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this even news? What's so hardball about the negotiation tactic? It's so normal it's not even worth pointing out....

      The author is a noob or something? People haggle harder or more mundane stuff.

    71. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure that's a bot.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    72. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or 90% FUD out of the man-child's white house, and 10% pr mistakes.

    73. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do prefer a bias toward reality.

    74. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm baffled as to why anyone would want to buy a gallon of milk in one go.

    75. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Every big retailer already buys credit card purchase info, you don't buy a company to get their customer list when their customers pay with credit cards.

      I wonder why people pretend to care about this stuff on slashdot even when they obviously don't actually learn any details of how it works. I mean, if you cared, you'd have to know this just from the privacy-related headlines that come up over the years. A person would have to know they don't actually care and didn't pay attention, wouldn't they? Do you?

    76. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      I simply dispute the original claim. It's the kind of mindless snobbery that whole foods feeds on.

      Although the term "hamburger" specifically means something and that something is a bit shady really. It's not the sort of term i would expect any informed consumer (foodie or otherwise) to use.

      If you really care, you would grab a slab of something and run it through your the sausage grinder attachment on your overpriced stand mixer.

      For some things, that's the only option really.

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    77. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Yeah, whatever, fuck that. Go to Faux for your own echo chamber. The "news doesn't have to be factual" network.

      We can all play this game.

      But it's not news.

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    78. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You bought stock in kroger...

      Dont blame them for your stupid fucking mistake chum.

    79. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      Amazon doesn't want Whole Foods. They want their network of refrigerated storage and distribution for Amazon Grocery. Oh, sure, they'll keep calling it Whole foods, but what they really want is the ability to try to kill supermarkets.

      Bezos really is Lex Luthor.

    80. Re:Only works if you've got all the leverage by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      No, you can't play this game because the people you are talking to didnt say anything about Fox.

      You are defending CNN on the basis that its only doing what FOX does. Everybody let that sink in.

      This guy apparently likes what FOX does, tho of course he wont admit it.

      Stop being retarded.

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      "His name was James Damore."
  2. Hard ball negotiator - he he he by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1, Informative

    The stock was trading on the open market around $35/share and Amazon spent 20% over retail ($42/share). Seems like Whole Foods "won" the negotiations to me.

    1. Re:Hard ball negotiator - he he he by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon gained a food distributor with brand awareness and destroyed a competitor at the same time.

      "he he he"

    2. Re:Hard ball negotiator - he he he by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      acquirers always pay a "control" premium for a variety of reasons.

    3. Re:Hard ball negotiator - he he he by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most companies aren't purchased at the current share price. Market share price isn't usually based on reality anyway, except over the long term. But who would sell their company for current share price anyway. Why sell at all then. Amazon had to sweeten the deal. Whole Foods was not distressed.

      Might be better for you to post when you have some actual knowledge, instead of blathering about things you don't know.

    4. Re:Hard ball negotiator - he he he by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just because some shares trade for $35 doesn't mean all shares do.

      Once all the shares offered at $35 are bought up the price goes up. Once all the shares at $36 etc. At some point counter parties might notice and begin front running orders. Some parties holding shares may decide not to sell. A board approved $42 price means everyone's shares get converted to a pile of cash.

    5. Re:Hard ball negotiator - he he he by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      The stock was trading on the open market around $35/share and Amazon spent 20% over retail ($42/share). Seems like Whole Foods "won" the negotiations to me.

      That's about normal for this type of buyout. Imagine how the shares would have spiked had word gotten out about an Amazon buyout. Hence Amazon's silence dictum.

    6. Re:Hard ball negotiator - he he he by nnet · · Score: 1

      "they they they"

    7. Re:Hard ball negotiator - he he he by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that is actually a pretty low premium above share price. would have cost them significantly more to try to buy the shares on the open market.

    8. Re:Hard ball negotiator - he he he by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      The market price is the lowest price a current holder is willing to accept.

      A buy out is the amount the shareholder that wants the most is willing to accept.

      Of course it's higher.

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    9. Re:Hard ball negotiator - he he he by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They only have to buy half the shares on the open market though.

      Once they hit 51% controlling interest, its immaterial if anyone else owns shares.

    10. Re:Hard ball negotiator - he he he by alex67500 · · Score: 1

      But they have to disclose it with the SEC as soon as they reach a threshold (5 or 10%, can't remember), including their further intentions. So the shares would have spiked as soon as word got out anyway.

    11. Re:Hard ball negotiator - he he he by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Often there are different classes of stock, and it is not even possible to get 51% control through the open market, even if you bought everything that was put up for sale. Some group of people are sitting on enough higher-quality shares to keep control.

  3. Wait for it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An unexpected situation will arise from this deal. I am thinking it will not be good. At least for the consumer.

    1. Re:Wait for it.... by thebullshitpatrol · · Score: 1

      I think it's too early to say for certain, but I think at the very least a situation will arise from this deal. It is likely that it will either be good or bad for the consumer.

    2. Re:Wait for it.... by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Are you sure it isnt that something good or bad will happen to the consumer, and that it will be a situation when it happens?

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    3. Re:Wait for it.... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      There is a very unstable situation on the ground that is unfolding very quickly.

    4. Re:Wait for it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the breaking news alert, Correspondent Pavlov.

  4. Why is this news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any company can play hardball. Whole Foods could have walked away if they wanted. (but they would have been a fool)

    1. Re:Why is this news? by slew · · Score: 1

      Any company can play hardball. Whole Foods could have walked away if they wanted. (but they would have been a fool)

      Kind of like when Yahoo walked away from that Microsoft bid, right? Isn't that news either way?

  5. Those dastards! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What kind of world do we live in where such tactics are permitted. Thank you to whatever click-seeking phony outrage merchant exposed this horrendous state of affairs!

    1. Re:Those dastards! by Bodhammer · · Score: 1

      "I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!"

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    2. Re: Those dastards! by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Here are your winnings sir

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  6. Put up, or shut up. by MangoCats · · Score: 1

    If Whole Foods had a bonafide better offer, they would have taken it.

    Not too many players out there with $14B+ to spend on a 20% premium over market price.

    Whipping the whole thing up in the press would have created a temporary spike in the share price, probably higher than $42 per share, but it would have been short lived, and people with $14B+ to invest know this.

    1. Re:Put up, or shut up. by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily... they *could* have been collecting bids from multiple sources and then given all parties a chance to increase their based on the highest offer so far, doing only one round of that before accepting the highest bid.

      Not that I think that's what actually happened in this case, however. I think Whole Foods' counteroffer comes solely from the knowledge that Amazon has deep pockets, and they are being, to put it bluntly, greedy. I expect if Amazon seriously thought there was seriously another offer on the table, they probably would not have threatened to walk away if the offer of $42 is not accepted.

    2. Re:Put up, or shut up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Say no to the first offer.

      Seriously evaluate the second offer.

  7. Amazon,"final offer" means you're not negotiating by Babel-17 · · Score: 1

    'Amazon's bankers from Goldman Sachs then "stressed several times" that the increase to $42 represented Amazon's "best and final offer."' "Amazon.com expected that the company would not approach other potential bidders while the company was negotiating with Amazon.com." Though I suppose that leaves a lot of details that still need to be settled. Or maybe not, the article doesn't say. Maybe Amazon means "while an offer is on the table".

  8. AMAZON FOR PRESIDENT IN 2020! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That worked once! A guy that loses money, to a company that loses money! Who says a company can't be president! Who!

  9. So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Either negotiate with the guy with deep pockets in good faith or take your chances in the open market. There is no reason why Amazon should agree to be drawn into a bidding war. This is a standard business practice. Whole Foods was also free to choose how to proceed. This is a non-story.

  10. Still better than how they treat their employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I mean, it's not like Amazon lobbied the government to bring in dozens of other grocery chains from overseas.

  11. Really? by sunking2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The fact that this is somehow a story that made it to Slashdot goes to show how clueless its readers must be to the workings of the real world. This is nothing unusual. In fact its pretty common practice. Entering into talks is a contract of sorts where both agree to the terms. And those terms seldom weigh in favor of the person who needs to be bought, and make no mistake, Whole Foods was in desperate need of being bought.

    1. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no, no. Just NO. This is a clear case of Amazon violating Whole Food's First Amendment Rights. What you are saying effectively means that there is no right to say whatever you want, to whoever you want, whenever you want, about anything you want, and be held 100% harmless and have your true identity protected on pain of hard prison time. In other words, you are talking crazy talk.

      Typical SJW. SMFH!

    2. Re:Really? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      This is nothing unusual.

      Well, to be fair, Amazon will have to find a REALLY big frame to put Whole Foods in, and it will take a lot of space on the wall. They'll also have to find just the right person to buy it and it will take a while... the best they could do is $42. Now, if there was some letter or documentation for the provenance it would be worth millions.

    3. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure if troll, sarcasms, or Trump voter...

    4. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure if troll, sarcasms, or Trump voter...

      And this is the real problem with Slashdot.

    5. Re:Really? by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      They're just having a long extended cry. It will do them good.

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    6. Re:Really? by nnet · · Score: 1

      neither of these is mutually exclusive...

    7. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typical Anti-SJW's lack of understanding of the First Amendment. SAD!

    8. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our food supply (locally and globally) is a complex system. Slashdot frequently has content that deals with complex systems. Also, the US currently has no shortage of crappy corporate fast food options too. So this could possibly be an ingredient in things to come.

    9. Re:Really? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Hey, there are plenty of IT weenies here who could learn a thing or two about salary and hours negotiation. Don't overestimate this crowd's business acumen - they often work 30+ hours a week overtime for free.

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  12. A bully is a bully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how is it that the more money they have, the less integrity they display

    let's face it, financially speaking, might makes right

    the upper class is beyond civility, integrity or the law

    1. Re:A bully is a bully by dfsmith · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bully: Is that a $35 set of headphones you're wearing?
      Victim: Yes... [quiver]
      Bully: I'll give you $42 for them, or you can just walk away without telling anyone! [Grrr!]
      Victim: Erm, okay.

    2. Re:A bully is a bully by ishmaelflood · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The lack of response to this gem of a post is revealing. The confected outrage in TFA is ridiculous.

    3. Re:A bully is a bully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Here's the problem with that, asshole. The bully and victim in your example did not enter into a negotiation where the victim asked for a higher dollar figure first and the bully just said "No or I'll walk away". Shorter version - you're pulling shit out of your ass.

    4. Re:A bully is a bully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Value of that headphone fluctuates based on demand. When Amazon decided to buy that company, it's value would have grown based on speculation of increased sales. So, the bully bought a $55-$60 headphone for $42.

    5. Re:A bully is a bully by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Thank you for my 1st Laugh Of The Day(tm).

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    6. Re:A bully is a bully by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      That's the best you got?

      Do you start your day with a bowl of cornflakes and outrage?

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    7. Re:A bully is a bully by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Ah, but the evilgreedycapitaluses were trying to get $60 for a pair of headphones that was worth $35.

      Oh wait. I've lost track. Which evil corporation are we supposed to be rooting against here? Or maybe it's the system. Yeah, that's it.

      Ah well, it's just another lazy saturday afternoon, passing time on a website where noone gives a damn about TFA, just letting my line drop where it may, waving with the currents until the flow brings another troll within reach.

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    8. Re:A bully is a bully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's say Amazon had gone to the stock market to buy just 5% of the company at $35/share. After and up the purchase, the shares would've quickly gone up to $40. So $42 is definitely a discount.

      Here the evil/greedy shareholders on the stock market would've jacked up the price so high once they saw someone badly wanted their shares... so Amazon went to the source to get a better deal.

  13. So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What is the 'issue'? That is, why is this newsworthy? Because it involves Amazon? and/or Whole [paycheck] Foods?
    Kudos to WholeFoods directors for trying to get the best price possible. Breakup fees/penalties are typical in acquisitions.
    Again. WHY is this newsworthy (I claim it is not)

  14. Ha ha by no-body · · Score: 1

    if you don't give me the red marble you have right away, I will destroy your sand castle you just built in our sand box....

    Kids at play - still....

  15. Pull up the ladder behind you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing more odious to businesses than free market competition.

    Next on Amazon's agenda: stopping employee "poaching".

    Eh, things have been going downhill since we went from "communism is so morally intolerable you should go and die fighting it" to "well, if we can make some extra cash from importing Chinese trinkets, it's fine".

  16. good by supernova87a · · Score: 1

    Good for Amazon. If Whole Foods had their way, the deal probably would've had to be signed on artisinal gluten-free organic paper, and management would have to have mustaches and commit to a new wholesome fruit-based lifestyle. I for one, welcome our new ruthless corporate overlords.

    1. Re:good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      artisinal

      It's spelled artisanal as in artis anal.

  17. Why is this by ghoul · · Score: 3, Insightful

    News for Nerds?

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    1. Re:Why is this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      News for Nerds?

      Amazon, a powerful internet company, broke Constitutional law by violating WF's rights to free speech with other potential buyers. How is that not news for nerds?

    2. Re:Why is this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poos for turds.

      Stuff that splatters.

    3. Re:Why is this by OhPlz · · Score: 2

      They broke nothing. Whole Foods could solicit other offers if they wanted, just as Amazon could rescind their offer if they did so. Free speech isn't the same as free everything. Whole Foods chose to accept those terms, they didn't have to.

    4. Re:Why is this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Are you one of those nuts who thinks free speech means no one can ever stop anyone from speaking? The US constitution bars CONGRESS from making any law abridging free speech. Amazon is free to enter into a negotiation with Whole Foods, and make a stipulation that the deal will be called off if at any point Whole Foods speaks of the deal publicly. Not a single constitutional issue with regards to free speech.

    5. Re:Why is this by nnet · · Score: 0

      but....but....but....but det tuk er jerbs!

    6. Re:Why is this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you one of those nuts who thinks free speech means no one can ever stop anyone from speaking? The US constitution bars CONGRESS from making any law abridging free speech. Amazon is free to enter into a negotiation with Whole Foods, and make a stipulation that the deal will be called off if at any point Whole Foods speaks of the deal publicly. Not a single constitutional issue with regards to free speech.

      What are you even talking about? So much false.

    7. Re:Why is this by Patent+Lover · · Score: 1

      You must be new here.

    8. Re:Why is this by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Because Slashdot thinks nerds are dumb, timid, and prone to kneejerk emotional reactions involving lots of clicks and comments. And that assumption has proven correct on many occasions.

      But Trump didn't make any troll-worthy news today and no Silicon Valley douchebags wrote harassment apologies, so this was the best they could do.

    9. Re:Why is this by dbrueck · · Score: 1

      LOL. The best case scenario here is that you are trolling.

    10. Re:Why is this by roman_mir · · Score: 0

      Because the next time you decide to buy a huge retailer you will be able to refer to this story..

    11. Re:Why is this by ghoul · · Score: 1

      Look at my id no....

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  18. Why is this news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whole Foods has retail locations, correct? Those has set prices for items too, correct? And which has store hours where I must make purchases then or it's not available to me from them, correct?

    So if Whole Foods does this to their customers, I'm not sure why it's such a big deal if the another company does something similar to them.

    Amazon's tactics seems pretty standard negotiation techniques in any hardball contract talk. Not sure why they would be "picked on". Whole Foods was free to take any offer if they didn't like Amazon's terms. Whole Foods is not privy to the how or why Amazon negotiates the way it does.

  19. Alternate story title for this "news" by raftpeople · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Amazon and Whole Foods engaged in a normal negotiation process..

    1. Re:Alternate story title for this "news" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or "Whole Drama's new PR stunt with Jungle takeover".
      This is sounding like the Bergen Switzerland stunt of "no photos" followed by "we didn't mean it, ha-ha." Its all posturing and posing, something the well oiled machine at Whole whatsis are very versed at.

    2. Re: Alternate story title for this "news" by nwf · · Score: 1

      That's what I was thinking. Must be a slow news day. While Foods needed a buyer more than Amazon needed to buy. Case closed.

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  20. This is obvious by BradleyUffner · · Score: 1

    If I tell you that my absolute final offer is $42, then of course I'm going to walk away from the deal if you don't agree to it. What part of "Final Offer" isn't clear?

    1. Re:This is obvious by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Attempting to continue negotiating on price would void the $42 offer. This is not necessarily always the case.

    2. Re:This is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And it may not have been the case with this offer either. common negotiating tactic, Whole foods were not in a position to find out whether it was a bluff or not. Regardless this is an extremely common tactic and definitely NOT newsworthy.

  21. Ok. by Dishevel · · Score: 1

    What is the story here?

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    1. Re:Ok. by nnet · · Score: 0

      Jerbs. Det tuk er jerbs. Oh and det tuk er 1st amendment rahts, and 2nd amendment rahts. and...and...and...jerbs. Det tuk er jerbs.

    2. Re:Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, the crowd that talks like that aren't the ones that shop at Whole Foods, and aren't the ones complaining.

      "It's the MAN, trying to bring down the revolution, man. Like, food wants to be organic, man, not like that Amazon corporate inorganic food, man. That stuff'll give you cancer. And autism, like vaccines, man! Oppose the MAN, man!"

  22. Outdated Laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    “Investors know it’s monopolistic, that’s why it’s stock price has been so untethered from profits. The market can register a reality that our laws cannot.” - Lina Khan (New America)

    This quote just about sums it up.

  23. And if CNN can threaten... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And if CNN can threaten to doxx somebody who doesn't conform to CNN's standards of behavior, Amazon can certainly threaten to walk away from a buyout.

  24. Sounds like shareholder lawsuit time by slickwillie · · Score: 1

    It was Whole Foods' obligation to get the highest price they could. Unless they have proof that they at least did some sort of timely analysis the management could be liable.

    1. Re:Sounds like shareholder lawsuit time by tsotha · · Score: 1

      All they have to show is they believed, at the time, this is the best price they could get. That could be minutes of a meeting.

  25. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This. I only made that mistake once.

  26. You keep using that term.... "bidding war" by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

    A bidding war you say.. doesn't a bidding war usually involve more than one bidder? Now I may be mistaken as I haven't followed this very closely, and I am assuming that Amazon is the only player here. So under that assumption, Amazon is basically saying.. "if you try to negotiate, we'll walk"? or in layman's terms... take it or leave it, but that's just common business practice.

  27. They should have offered $39 after they balked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet WF would have taken it as well. It could easily be a hostile takeover for that.

  28. Re: Only works if you've got all the leverag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same here. I have Prime here in Seattle and they guaranteed some day delivery. It took me over a week to get my order.

  29. Mr. Wonderful ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... on Shark Tank.

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  30. Anonymous investment banker here ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That's absolutely standard in an exclusive, bilateral deal. They're called no-shop / no-talk provisions.

  31. No kidding by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    I am usually pretty supportive of articles, and often argue with the "why is this posted on slashdot" crowd but this is truly non-news. There must be something else dramatically more worthy of the front page. This garbage is taking up space we could have used to discuss the new news on the antikythera device

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  32. Is it news that Amazon knows how to negotiate? by biggaijin · · Score: 1

    It sounds as though Amazon knows what it's doing in negotiations. Why is this surprising or even interesting? They negotiated from strength and got the deal they wanted. Whole Foods got paid and won't go bankrupt. It's a win for both sides.

  33. I don't get it by tsotha · · Score: 1

    This all seems very normal.

  34. try again by lucm · · Score: 1

    I don't think a lot of people outside of Fox News employees would say that Fox News is not as biased as CNN. It sure helped that they got rid of some of the nutcases but it's still obviously a conservative media. Overall I find them less smug than liberals but that doesn't mean they're being more neutral.

    There isn't really unbiased news out there anymore. Even third-party providers like Facebook are rigging the game. We're not much better informed than the citizens of North Korea, except at least we get to choose between two flavors of lies.

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  35. Nothing to see here. Move along... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "No shopping" is a standard component of most unsolicited acquisitions. Nothing unusual at all.