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Elderly Drivers In Japan Could Be Limited To Vehicles With Automatic Braking (japantimes.co.jp)

AmiMoJo writes: Japan's National Police Agency has proposed several new rules to regulate elderly drivers, including limiting them to vehicles with automatic braking systems to increase public safety. "The panel was tasked with finding ways to mitigate the risks associated with dementia, poor vision and deteriorating physical strength associated with seniors," reports the Japan Times. "Deadly traffic accidents caused by people 75 or older are on the rise, though fatal accidents overall are on the decline." Automatic braking systems apply the car's brakes if a collision is imminent. Separately Japanese authorities are offering elderly drivers who give up their licenses a discount on their funerals.

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  1. if they are such a public danger by Osgeld · · Score: 3

    why are you letting demented, blind, weak and slow people operate heavy machinery?

    1. Re:if they are such a public danger by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

      Because Japan is becoming a gerontocracy (and so is Germany, by the way).

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    2. Re:if they are such a public danger by interkin3tic · · Score: 2
      Could be that the government doesn't want to simply revoke a necessary freedom for it's citizens even if it means increased safety and decreased deaths. You know, sort of like how we over here say "No, why would we limit gun sales?"

      Could also be that it's not really an issue given the lack of statistics on increasing deaths. Japanese politicians are likely just as susceptible as american ones at fearmongering and then coming up with fake solutions to the fake problems they were elected on.

      Finally the last line of the article is

      The number of people aged 75 or older who are licensed to drive stood at about 5.13 million at end of 2016, compared with 2.58 million in late 2006.

      The greying of japanese society is a looming issue. Making the increasing number of elderly immobile is going to put more strain on the country as a whole.

    3. Re:if they are such a public danger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "...revoke a necessary freedom for it's citizens..."

      This statement reveals a deep misunderstanding of the writer, and his countrymen, who no doubt is a US citizen. ...Cause its in the constitution that everyone has the inalienable right to happiness..., which in the US means to buy and drive however, and whatever, without any meaningful schooling and training.
      I would be willing to bet a lot of money that 99.99999999999% of US drivers would never pass a typical drivers license test, in English, in any EU country.
      The US simply has no fucking clue about what a good drivers education would entail. It would cost money, of course, like a pilots license, but it would save massive amounts of lives, reduce collisions, accidents, lower insurance costs, extend the average life of cars, reduce time in traffic.
      The upside to this ignorance is of course the massive amount of capital flowing into the pockets of insurance companies, auto makers, repair-shops, funeral homes, hospitals, doctors, lawyers, police forces and so on, because this misery is an industry, and people don't fucking know it.
      Put that in a pipe and fucking smoke it.

         

    4. Re:if they are such a public danger by religionofpeas · · Score: 2, Informative

      Only a small percentage are legitimate refugees. Most of them are single men from Africa from areas where there is no war. They also travel through a dozen of other safe countries, without stopping to ask for help, until they reach Germany.

    5. Re:if they are such a public danger by Anonymice · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I love how people love to talk with such authority about the real truths behind the s, as if they're privy to some secret information that the government is oblivious to.

      No country in the world lets people simply walk in, claim persecution, and get a free pass with refugee status. Every single claim is assessed on a case by case basis, and claims are rejected if they are deemed to be doubtful or inconsistent. If a claim is rejected, the person in question is deported back to their country of origin. If they can't legally be deported, it's because there's a proven likelihood that said person would face persecution (possibly even torture), & doing so would be a violation of human rights treaties - ergo, they'd have a justifiable claim for refugee status.

      Do some people fabricate stories and manage to get away with it? Undoubtedly. However tarring everyone with the same brush is both ignorant & offensive.

      That so many claims do manage to get accepted, have you ever considered that that could just be because a large part of the world really is in quite a a shit & depressing state?
      These people have to leave their entire world behind, many without even as much as a backpack (from the pictures I've seen), walk thousands of miles across hostile landscapes, suffer from abuse & persecution from every populace they meet, and many risking slavery, abuse & death at the hands traffickers (& thousands of $'s in debt if they survive). And if they're lucky, they get to start the uphill struggle of rebuilding their life from scratch, alone, in a completely alien environment.

      Do you think that's a decision someone makes lightly? They just woke up one Friday morning and decided, "Yeah, that sounds like fun!"?

      And yes, they're supposed to claim asylum in the first safe country they arrive in, and many clearly don't. But put yourself in their shoes: If you're in such a desperate position that you would consider taking on such a hostile journey, driven by the hope that you might be able to build a better future for yourself & your family, wouldn't you too aim for a destination that you thought would provide you with the best chances? What have you got to lose?
      I'm not trying to present a justification, but lets try & have some fucking empathy for those who didn't have our luck of not being born in such a hostile shithole.

  2. Re:I don't wanna be the one to tell them... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

    I can scarcely imagine something more awkward and frustrating than trying to convince an elderly person that they are incapable of doing something... They will get insulted to say the least.

    Just hide their keys. In plain view usually works after a certain point. :-)

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  3. This should be expanded to all drivers by roubles · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Its not just the elderly. Teenagers. Distracted drivers. Epileptics. Narcoleptics. Suddenly incapacitated people (heart attacks, strokes). Drunk drivers. Texters. Everyone would benefit from cars that maintain their lanes and automatically brake. This is technology we already have and we already mass produce. This rule should, and most likely will, be expanded to all drivers in all cars - all the time.

    Elon Musk: "In the distant future, I think people may outlaw driving cars because it's too dangerous. You can't have a person driving a two-ton death machine."

    Its happening.

  4. Re:Unfair to seniors by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

    It's not just vision and response. There's also hearing and the range of motion of the neck to consider, as well as what medications they're on.. Then there's also peripheral vision, which can't be checked with an eye chart. And night blindness, which is a big thing for many drivers of all ages who don't seem to be aware that they're leaning forward over the steering wheel at night to try to read the signs better, and don't even notice they're doing it since it crept up on them slowly. And then there's increased chances of stepping on the gas when they want to brake. Or the two-footed drivers who never learned to drive properly and jam on both in an emergency. ...

    Plus the idiot who's driving along the highway streaming the football game on his phone and decides to step out for a beer during the commercial.

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  5. Re:Here's a better idea by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 2

    The laws of pointless accidents do care if you're paying attention, though.

  6. Re: I don't wanna be the one to tell them... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    Then you smother them with a pillow.

    You try that, sonny, and I'll stick my cane so far up your ass it'll improve your posture.

    Being old only makes me more dangerous, and that's how I like it.

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  7. Wrong Direction by AlanObject · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why not mandate this for all vehicles?

    Are we trying to preserve the right for a privileged demographic to crash into things?

    1. Re:Wrong Direction by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Informative

      In Japan, nobody can afford to keep their old cars.

      After the cars are about five years old, annual inspection involves extensive disassembly, taxes also go UP for old cars. They junk them and we get the drivetrain components for cheap (JDM parts).

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  8. Re:I don't wanna be the one to tell them... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just hide their keys. In plain view usually works after a certain point. :-)

    That's not one bit funny. I've got no problem finding my keys, thank you very much, once I find my glasses.

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  9. Re:I don't wanna be the one to tell them... by Kjella · · Score: 2

    I can scarcely imagine something more awkward and frustrating than trying to convince an elderly person that they are incapable of doing something... They will get insulted to say the least.

    Try beginning dementia, that's worse. When they're too far gone it's like a stuck record, but while they're falling apart part creating chaos and part remembering the chaos is agony. About driving it's mostly that they don't see any alternative, they've driven for 50+ years and being elderly they don't have the same ability to walk/use a bicycle/take public transport as young people so everything revolves around going places by car. It's back to being dependent on others, either friends and family or taxis/home delivery services and I think a lot of upper middle class elderly would easily drop $100-250k on an autonomous car that let them keep their independence. I just hope it's ready for my retirement in a few decades.

    Very often it's tied in to the other big life change that is moving, like you could live out here when you were 25 or 50 but now that you're 75 you need an apartment somewhere central. Less house and garden to maintain, less stairs, preferably a grocery store and other basic amenities in rollator distance. It doesn't have to be a nursing home or anything like that, just the easy life. Of course you also have those where being out and about is what keeps them running, the moment they get their apartment they sit in a chair and waste away. But you have to do it in moderation, some elderly refuse to recognize that they're getting older and want too much which can lead to them to some form of injury or breakdown. Sometime you just have to let the old find those limits themselves, though.

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  10. Re:I don't wanna be the one to tell them... by PPH · · Score: 2

    The elderly vote. More so than any other group. And they vote to protect their own self interests. So government officials who value their careers will do nothing to offend them.

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  11. Re:Wrong by anegg · · Score: 2

    Um.... its LIDAR (light radar) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidar. Visible and near visible (ultra violet and near infra red) light that is being sprayed around. You know, like what surrounds you all day long, especially while you are outside? So, while its true that the detection uses photons that are on the electro-magnetic spectrum, its not the same risk as from microwave frequencies.

  12. Re:I don't wanna be the one to tell them... by sims+2 · · Score: 2

    I have to be sure I leave them in one of a few places if I leave them anywhere else I will have to spend at least a half hour looking for them.

    I'd have gotten bright neon frames on my glasses if they had been offered.

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