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Company Accused of Selling User Data Shuts Down After $104 Million Settlement (bleepingcomputer.com)

Catalin Cimpanu, reporting for BleepingComputer: The Federal Trade Commission has shut down the operator of a large network of online loan sites that promised to find people the loans with the lowest rates, but actually sold users' data to third-parties, most of which weren't even lenders. The target of FTC's ire is a company named Blue Global Media, LLC and its CEO, Christopher Kay, against which the FTC filed an official complaint last Monday, July 3. According to the FTC, since 2012 Blue Global Media operated a network of 38 websites that promised users to match them with the best payday, personal, or auto loans using Blue Global Media's proprietary technology. Hoping to find loans with the smaller interest rate and friendlier terms, users entered a slew of personal details on Blue Global Media's websites, such as names, email addresses, home addresses, phone numbers, Social Security numbers, financial and banking information, driver's license, state ID numbers, income data, military status, home ownership info, and many other more.

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  1. They should have been a bank? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

    I wonder if their name was "Blue Global BANK" if things would be different. When I open an account (or draw a new loan) at most banks these days I have to opt-out of similar data sharing arrangements with "partners" - and the few times I've forgotten I've gotten numerous calls from financial planners, insurance reps and other third parties.

    1. Re:They should have been a bank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I too was thinking this method of selling personal data is the norm in the US. Particularly so during bankruptcies .

    2. Re:They should have been a bank? by gorbachev · · Score: 2

      Or an information broker like Acxiom. That company, and its competitors, do exactly what this company does.

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    3. Re:They should have been a bank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be funny if Christopher Kay's info was used in place of all the people who were scammed by his company.

  2. No rock large enough to hide under.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..no 'far enough' they can run. They should be strung up, drawn, quartered, the pieces burned, and their heads on pikes in the public square.
    We've got to clamp down on this sort of bullshit, and clamp down HARD on it.

    1. Re:No rock large enough to hide under.. by Luthair · · Score: 2

      Sounds like the company is just filing for bankruptcy and will only pay a small amount of the fine. They should also seize personal assets from the CEO, high likelihood he is skating with millions of dollars made from this illegal behaviour over the past 5-years.

    2. Re:No rock large enough to hide under.. by Sparowl · · Score: 3, Funny

      But how will we have the best CEOs if we punish them for childish pranks?

    3. Re:No rock large enough to hide under.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sounds like the company is just filing for bankruptcy and will only pay a small amount of the fine. They should also seize personal assets from the CEO, high likelihood he is skating with millions of dollars made from this illegal behaviour over the past 5-years.

      They did go after him. It says so in the summary. The official complaint (link in the second paragraph) lists him as a defendant (as well as the company). He is personally liable here.

    4. Re:No rock large enough to hide under.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the judgement is suspended, so he doesn't actually have to pay anything unless he lied about his assets. (Section 5.A)

    5. Re:No rock large enough to hide under.. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      They should also seize personal assets from the CEO, high likelihood he is skating with millions of dollars made from this illegal behaviour over the past 5-years.

      IANAL, but this is why both sleaze-bags and legit people alike incorporate, to avoid personal exposure. So unless there was calculated fraud that lead to actual losses, my *guess* (again, IANAL) is that creditors and wronged folks alike are SOL except for the lawyers perhaps, Everyone else will get a cupon for $1 off a Whopper at your choice of locations.

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    6. Re:No rock large enough to hide under.. by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 2

      >He is personally liable here.

      That's all well and good, but the sucker should be held to answer criminally. He should do five years or so in prison with the kind of people that actually use payday loans and such not some Club Fed with his fellow embezzlement artists and the like.

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    7. Re:No rock large enough to hide under.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh those amazing & irreplaceable CEOs with their impish antics. Will it never get old? HaaHaa never. Let's encourage them do it again!

    8. Re:No rock large enough to hide under.. by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      Incorporation only protects you from personal civil liability, it does nothing to insulate you from criminal liability. Further, if there is fraud or certain other types of crime, incorporation does not protect you from prosecution or recovery by victims.

      However, you may be right in that the feds will confiscate all of his assets, but it will only amount to a few bucks per person he defrauded.

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    9. Re:No rock large enough to hide under.. by Mr.+Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Incorporation only protects you from personal civil liability, it does nothing to insulate you from criminal liability. Further, if there is fraud or certain other types of crime, incorporation does not protect you from prosecution or recovery by victims.

      However, you may be right in that the feds will confiscate all of his assets, but it will only amount to a few bucks per person he defrauded.

      You know, I think that in addition to investigating and pursuing these types of companies the FTC should have a "How to" guide for filing in small claims court and using their settlements as evidence. I do not know if the FTC actually pays the victims of these sort of scams so I do enjoys the thought of thousands of default judgments chasing these assholes for the rest of their life.

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    10. Re:No rock large enough to hide under.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I came here to say the same. Unfortunately we both know that he will at most receive a fine / suspended jail sentence.

    11. Re:No rock large enough to hide under.. by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      Criminal prosecution is better. If they are not criminally convicted, they can often declare bankruptcy, shield their assets offshore or with other shady methods and those they stole from are SOL. If they are criminally convicted, I don't think you can get rid of judgments against you through bankruptcy, though IANAL.

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  3. Please hoist them on their entrails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's almost too good for this scum

  4. Economic terrorism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like this should get you the death penalty to end other criminals ideas of quick bucks everyone who took the info received stolen information theft by deception 15 years to life for them.
    But nothing at all will happen to any all are free to try again.

  5. Death Sentence for a Corporation by EndlessNameless · · Score: 1

    I approve.

    As long as we maintain good unemployment benefits and job placement programs for the displaced workers, that is.

    As scummy as this company was, most of the employees were regular people who did nothing wrong.

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    1. Re:Death Sentence for a Corporation by TFlan91 · · Score: 2

      As scummy as this company was, most of the employees were regular people who did nothing wrong.

      Except "follow orders". I swear there is a historical reference for this type of defense...

      We really need to get out of this mentality that a company or corporation is "someone", or anyone, besides the people who run it/work for it.

    2. Re:Death Sentence for a Corporation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really?
      OK so the classic "I was just following orders" may not work for upper executives who are 'in on it'.

      But the payroll lady? The graphic designers for the website? Middle managers who are keeping track of who's late, who's on vacation, and who took sick-days... in addition to the average office oh-so-damnable performance goal meetings, etc.?

      Yeah hang 'em all.

    3. Re:Death Sentence for a Corporation by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      I get a couple of calls a week from the IRS and Credit Card scammers. (The ones that actually speak English well, not the Indians) I wonder how many of those people think they are actually doing legitimate work?

    4. Re:Death Sentence for a Corporation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People of good conscience will refuse to work for companies like that. I've turned away numerous scalpers trying to get me to work for insurance companies, for example.

    5. Re:Death Sentence for a Corporation by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      I get a couple of calls a week from the IRS and Credit Card scammers... I wonder how many of those people think they are actually doing legitimate work?

      None

    6. Re:Death Sentence for a Corporation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If everyone below the CEO gets away free no matter what they've done ... not a recipe for people to behave well.

      Jail doesn't teach people to be good. But the threat of jail keeps good people honest. And most people are good.

      If we hang everyone in these companies including the janitors, then the next scammer companies will have a harder time staffing up. And possibly there will be more whistleblowers looking for a way out.

  6. They are known spammers. by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1

    They have been hiring spammers to advertise for years. They have been sued for illegal spam.

    Why would anyone provide such confidential information to a spammer?

    1. Re: They are known spammers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, because not everyone has your lost of all known spammers handy when they do a search for best loan rates ?

  7. Be more careful who you exchange info with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just think there is a lot of clueless gullible people out there. Many who never read fine print, assume everyone is trustworthy and are most likely desperate for a loan and will try anything to get one.

  8. What about Lending Tree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lending Tree is just as bad. They sell leads years old and are horrible at managing the data they do collect. I am still attached to a house I was thinking about buying as I requested quotes from them to finance the purchase. Not a single real broker lead came from it, just scams for the first couple of months all for that house. The house is still showing up as a place I lived through automatic online credit checks. 10 years later I still get questionable calls about refinancing the place.

    1. Re:What about Lending Tree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      American finances are hard. I have no clue what you just said.

    2. Re:What about Lending Tree by starblazer · · Score: 1

      he was looking to buy a house
      he submitted a request thru lendingtree to find out rates and downpayments and such.
      no good/real offers came of it, just a bunch of scammers/bad deals.
      according to some data brokers, he bought that house and lived there when they do an 'identifty verification' online, which typically asks you a few questions that only you should know.
      10 years later he still gets scam calls trying to refinance a house he never bought.

  9. Sure, $104M settlement, but how much did they make by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I bet they made 10x that, so it was still no real deterrent.

    Who's going to jail in the CxO level of that company? If there were VCs funding them, which ones, and are they being fined as well enough to make it hurt?
    Are any of the other parties that bankrolled them being punished?

    And is the $104M actually going to do to people who might need those loans, or to rich lawyers?

  10. What about the buyers? by houghi · · Score: 1

    If I buy a stolen bicycle, even if I did not know it was stolen, they will take that bike away. What about the data that was sold? Are they now requested to delete it? Or is it ok to use data that is obtained via something illegal? Could they sell it themselves now?

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    1. Re:What about the buyers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't take data back.