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Vaccines May Soon Be Mandatory For Children In France (theverge.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: Last week, the French Health Ministry announced plans to make 11 vaccines mandatory for young children by 2018. French law currently mandates three vaccines -- diphtheria, tetanus, and polio -- for children under the age of two. The government's proposal would expand that list to include eight other vaccines -- including those against Hepatitis B, whooping cough, and measles -- that were previously only recommended. The proposal, which is to be presented to lawmakers by the end of this year, comes amid an ongoing measles outbreak across Europe, which the World Health Organization (WHO) attributed to low immunization rates. Italy passed a similar decree in May, requiring children to receive 10 vaccines as a condition for school enrollment. Germany, while stopping short of a mandate, has moved to tighten its laws on child immunization. But some experts question whether a vaccination mandate will sway public opinion in France, where distrust in vaccines has risen alarmingly in recent years. In a survey published last year, 41 percent of respondents in France disagreed with the statement that vaccines are safe -- the highest rate of distrust among the 67 countries that were surveyed, and more than three times higher than the global average.
In France, they might not notice the difference.
OMG OMG they're trying to kill children!
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
All these measures to encourage (or enforce) vaccines in children are great.
But why not adults too? There are more vaccinated adults than children (most vaccinations lose effectiveness after a period of time).
Are your vaccines up-to-date? If not - why not? Do you consider yourself an anti-vaxxer - or are you just lazy?
There are shills on slashdot. Apparently, I'm one of them.
Alrighty then.
Fuck off you bigoted retard
Better run it past a few stone age imam's first, otherwise you are worse than Hitler.
This is really good news for the research community. Full coverage ill mean amazing gains in learning not only how diseases propogate, but also the effect of scheduling, and the real risks involved with vaccinating. This could be a big nail in the lid of the anti-vax movement. Not to mention that France's children will be saved from a lot of nasty diseases.
I guess not wanting to get raped or run over by speeding lorries or machine gunned in a theater is all it takes to get called a "bigot" these days.
Besides the purported benefits of creating immunity, there are other potential effects:
1.) The immunity may not work, or only for a limited time
2.) Other ingredients, like mercury based preservatives, have, or may have serious problems, and who knows what's in the sausage except God and the butcher.
3.) The benefits of the hopefully acquired immunity only affects the person receiving the vaccination, it does not transfer to other people, making this a personal choice.
4.) Health care choices, especially where you have to pay for them, are personal in nature. Much like what food you eat, where much sold as edible has massive amounts of problems, like GMO, carcinogens, pesticides, hormones, "bad" fats, sugars, where good diets are not forced on people against their will. Obesity is probably not contagious.
5.) Outbreaks of some diseases has spread despite people being vaccinated.
6.) Politicians should leave medicine to trained professionals, and stay the fuck out.
7.) Opioids are bad, prescription or not, limit the amount allowed per patient, and per doctor.
Politically directed or otherwise forced health-care choices is not what you want. Demand double blind test for these medications. No free ride for big Pharma.
Polio. Measles. Tuberculosis. Influenza. Rubella. Hepatitis. Smallpox.
Sadly, vaccines are a victim of their own success. Vaccines are indisputably the single most lifesaving medical development in the entire course of human history, more than surgery or anesthesia or pharmaceuticals. And perhaps it is the ultimate irony that it is only because they have worked so spectacularly well that humans, in their seemingly infinite capacity for stupidity, have somehow managed to grow to distrust them, because people in industrialized nations have almost entirely forgotten what it was like to live in a time when these diseases were not only common, but pervasive in the general population. Entire communities were decimated by polio. People have forgotten the death and the panic and the fear of these diseases.
The present situation is the result of a failure to educate. Every single child, as soon as they are able to comprehend, must be taught of the history of these pandemics. Not just a recitation of statistics; people need to be SHOWN IN GRAPHIC DETAIL what these diseases did to humanity throughout history.
People built museums to remind ourselves of the Holocaust; of the killing fields of the Khmer Rouge. Yet, for the most part, we do not educate younger generations about the horrific scope of deaths these diseases have wrought on society. Why is that? Is it really only because we care when people die at the hands of despots? Dead is dead. A virus doesn't care who you are.
My social Darwin in me says no because these people will be weeded out.
My inner human says finally.
From the point of view of "bodily integrity", which is frequently invoked in defense of legal abortion, I'm not sure how one can support this ruling. That said, France could ban unvaccinnated children from public schools (and/or adults from university) and that wouldn't violate anyone's bodily integrity.
There is a risk of dying in a car accident driving to the doctors office to vaccinate your kid. So in that respect they aren't safe. Is there a chance your kid will have a fever or a sore arm yes. Do I think the doctors at least in Canada have down played the risk of kids having fevers or other adverse side effects based on my very biased sample size of 5 kids, hell yes. And I suspect this is one reason the medical community might not be trusted. Do I think a day of my kids having a fever is worth it to prevent them from just having even chicken pox? Definitely.
On one hand it would make it a bit harder for the religious kooks to
deny life saving vaccines to their kids
OTOH I find it truly frightning having the government basicly able to stick something in (mine or) my kids' bodies against our will.
The ones which Sanofi (a french company) owns the patents?
When the anti-vaccine hysteria was peaking about 15 years ago, the consensus was that it would last until a bunch of children all died from a preventable disease. 35 dead in the current outbreak - we get mandatory vaccines.It's sucks to be right sometimes.
None of them can see the clouds; The polished wings don't care.
Vaccinations are a classic case of internalized pain and externalized benefit. You internalize the pain of the needle, the temporary side-effects (which are imagined to be far worse than they are), and time & financial cost of the vaccine. You externalize most of the benefit of the vaccine to younger children whose bodies are too fragile to take the vaccine, and to people who remain too fragile to get a vaccination.
Once you're old enough to get your vaccination, you've already received the benefit of the vaccine from the children and adults before you because you weren't exposed when you were younger. It's very tempting to say screw everyone after me and rationalize that decision by listening to and citing the anti-vax arguments.
You take a disease like Hepatitis B which if exposed to a baby by its mother, the baby has a 97% chance of becoming a life time carrier. That also means they have a 30% chance of liver problems and/or liver cancer later in life. It also means they may have to spend $10K a year on virus suppression medication. If there was a conspiracy, it would be to suppress the $50 Hepatitis B Vaccine to earn a whole lot more money on medication later.
I think this is brilliant!
Not only will it not impact measles measurably, since the vaccine is not effective enough to get to the required R0 of 94% to achieve herd immunity...
It's also going to kill off the 6% of the population that's immunocompromised in France, who can't tolerate vaccination, and it'll kill off an additional 2% of the population with egg allergies, who can't tolerate the culture medium cross-contamination in the vaccines.
Way to go, Measles! 8% of France! Even the Nazis, in WW II were only able to kill off 1.37% of the French!
Yes, the above was sarcasm; you should get vaccinated for measles, and anything else you can tolerate the vaccine for.
But if you think you are saving other people from Measles or Pertussis, you are going to need to attend remedial math classes.
Vaccination should be compulsory unless there is an medical reason not to. And parents who do not vaccinate should be charged with anything from child endangerment all the way up to involuntary manslaughter.
'nuff said.
"People built museums to remind ourselves of the Holocaust"
We are talking about vaccines, not the holocaust. Why do some people feel the need to bring up "the holocaust" in every conversation?
Please, go get a life and drop this holocaust nonsense already. Nobody wants to hear it.
...considering the presence of disease ridden immigrants.
Unless you travel overseas a lot? You're simply not likely to encounter yellow fever.
Rabies is so rare that, unless you are a veterinarian or do certain types of health work, you're much more likely to get struck by lightning. You can get immunized successfully after exposure.
Smallpox has been eradicated.
I thought I was borderline crazy for getting immunized for Hep A, but wow, you take it a long way.
What everyone really needs though, are the old standards, especially pertussis. I know someone that died of pertussis, she was too young to be immunized.
Oh, and I think the tuberculosis vaccine is of limited use. Not very effective and makes screening for TB difficult.
--PeterM
The makers of vaccines were getting sued so much from all the injuries they were causing that they were somehow able to convince the government to pay for all of the injuries they cause. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_court
That's right. The vaccine makers are not even liable for any injuries that result from their vaccinations. Doesn't this seem like a very bad idea? What is the vaccine maker's incentive to have good quality control and lots of testing with their vaccines?
How with the NWO survive is people can think and have IQ's over 85!!! Must weight them down with autism and lie like lie.
"Rabies is so rare that, unless you are a veterinarian or do certain types of health work, you're much more likely to get struck by lightning. You can get immunized successfully after exposure."
Here's the problem with that approach: by the time the symptoms surface, you are as good as dead. And getting immunized after exposure is great if you know you have been bitten by a rabid animal (hence the focus on capturing animals that have bitten animals, and testing them for Rabies...), but if you are bitten in your sleep (bats, rats, etc.), or don't think much about that squirrel's / dog's / cat's bite (or what have you)...why put yourself in such a precarious position? We live on as planet filled with animals, many that we aren't paying attention to on a daily basis, and yet they are a part of our lives. Why would you play the lottery with such a horrible disease? Look up some YouTube videos of human beings infected with Rabies -> a gun and a bullet would be a blessing.
"Smallpox has been eradicated."
You forgot this: *. It still exists, albeit in labs, where it is being "studied." Also, the US has a giant stockpile of Smallpox vaccine for every US citizen. And yes, healthcare professionals have access to the vaccine. Smallpox can supposedly be brought back from the dead very easily (may be FUD, may not, check your mileage).
"Oh, and I think the tuberculosis vaccine is of limited use. Not very effective and makes screening for TB difficult."
The BCG vaccine is widely used outside the US. As for the false positives it can create using TB skin tests...this is not so much an issue with TB blood tests. But yes, you are right about its variable efficacy: 0%-80% per person. They are trying to fix that with a booster shot (of a different design; MVA85A?), or going with a different primer altogether.
And we are agreed that the standard (or old vaccines as you call it) are a good idea.
Also, a question just for you, Hep A, but no Hep B?
If you are going to force a parent to inject anything into their child, however good the reason, you should be forced to make that as safe as possable. For vaccines that means no adjuvants, no dilutants, and definately no mercury. If you add anything just to make the vaccine cheaper to produce ( I.E. more profitable for big pharma ) you deserve to be strung up by the balls and used for target practice.
So, 35 people died from disease. How many died from injecting toxic chemical cocktails together with viruses? No, right, keep forgetting; we're not allowed to do research on that. How is blindly trusting authority working out for you otherwise? Do you feel like they're mostly telling you the truth or more like they don't give a crap about anything but profits. Yet when it comes to pseudo-science like vaccination, that defies any kind of rational analysis; you have no problem just accepting what you're fed from above and disregard all the evidence from ordinary people just like you who have nothing to gain from lying to you. What about that brain between your ears, what are you using it for instead?
Right, I got the Hep B immunization too, but in retrospect, like the Hep A immunization, my risk is so low I don't think I really needed it. Non-standard for me, but one I took anyway, was the chickenpox immunization. I think I could use a booster now. I am also considering taking one of the pneumonia vaccines.
Re: rabies: 1-2 rabies deaths per year in the USA. Lightning: 50-ish deaths per year. That's a low enough risk I won't bother with the shot. And have you heard of the girl who survived rabies by means of being put into a coma? A person need not suffer horribly due to rabies anymore. They can put you out and keep you out.
Smallpox: If smallpox is re-released upon the world, then I'll get the vaccination. Hopefully, if that happens, whomever unleashes that abomination upon the world will not have altered it sufficiently that the old vaccine is useless.
I'll add a remark: I will absolutely take a vaccination even if I am low risk of acquiring disease if it is part of a worldwide eradication effort. Like I'll gladly take a polio booster.
PS: I really, really support increased efforts in developing new vaccines for things like TB, malaria, zika, ebola.
PPS: The standard vaccinations (your term is better) are standard for good reason and the nonstandard aren't standard because the benefit is relatively low.
You gotta feel bad for people with autism since apparently some people think autism so horrific that a 0% chance of contracting it via vaccines is too much of a risk that they would rather their children die of preventable illnesses instead.
This is a request to the editors and owners of slashdot.org, whenever vaccines come in play:
I'd really *really* like to be able to mod someone IGNORANT.
Tetanus also works after the infection. Why take the risk of a vaccination reaction instead of waiting and getting the shot when you need it. I guess it depends on how often or how likely the child is to get rusty puncture wounds to determine if the preventative is worth it.
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News flash, the pertussis vaccine actually makes you more susceptible to the more dangerous version of pertussis.
Rust has absolutely nothing to do with tetanus. It comes from bacteria in shit, primarily that of horses and cows. Also, the infection itself will not hurt you, it is the toxin that the bacteria produce, which there is an anti-toxin for. Besides, the vaccine does not in any way prevent the bacteria from infecting and colonizing a wound, it just has a small chance of protecting you from the toxin, if you've had it very recently.
The refugees are vetted better than the vaccines are.