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Border Patrol Says It's Barred From Searching Cloud Data On Phones (nbcnews.com)
According to a letter obtained by NBC News, U.S. border officers aren't allowed to look at any data stored only in the "cloud" -- including social media data -- when they search U.S. travelers' phones. "The letter (PDF), sent in response to inquiries by Sen. Ron Wyden, (D-Ore.), and verified by Wyden's office, not only states that CBP doesn't search data stored only with remote cloud services, but also -- apparently for the first time -- declares that it doesn't have that authority in the first place." From the report: In April, Wyden and Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., introduced legislation to make it illegal for border officers to search or seize cellphones without probable cause. Privacy advocates and former Homeland Security lawyers have said they are alarmed by how many phones are being searched. The CBP letter, which is attributed to Kevin McAleenan, the agency's acting commissioner, is dated June 20, four months after Wyden asked the Department of Homeland Security (PDF), CBP's parent agency, to clarify what he called the "deeply troubling" practice of border agents' pressuring Americans into providing passwords and access to their social media accounts. McAleenan's letter says officers can search a phone without consent and, except in very limited cases, without a warrant or even suspicion -- but only for content that is saved directly to the device, like call histories, text messages, contacts, photos and videos.
Obviously if your data is in the cloud, the government already has access to it if it needs. This just looks like a territorial dispute between different parts of the government...
LUDDITE border patrol is too stupid to app apps, so now they're going to try forcing appers to use LUDDITE computers! Only apps can app apps!
Apps!
CBP: "That's right folks. Store your data in the cloud because that is where it is most secure." Well played but no thanks.
Now they can reject asylum seekers without even bothering to process them.
Soon they'll be free to deport anybody that simply isn't a loyal enough American, eh, Comrade?
And the border wall will be transparent as well as solar powered.
Somebody please tell me that he's sundowning.
Facebook didn't.
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But if they say you can't leave for 4 hours unless you show them your Facebook, and you yield. That's giving them permission to search your Facebook. So the "cloud" distinction mentioned doesn't apply.
So are they just asking for phones or do they want tablets too? Other devices? SD cards?
Ohh, it's a look at the other hand story, a magic trick. Folks they are not searching you phones for data, they grab it search your identity and then decide whether or not they install software onto your phone. They do not want to search your phone once, they want to search it for as long as it lasts. If it was about searching your phone, they would do it too your face, to watch reaction as they searched each directory. Nope, they hide the search from you, don't let you see it because they are not taking off but adding on and they most definitely do not want you to see that.
You can store a lot on phones nowadays and creating a copy via a USB (searching is not copying everything for ever) and getting a 100mb off a phone takes quite some time, queues at airports would be many kilometres long and really they only take enough time to add software rather than copy data.
I think people are starting to realise and hence are becoming far more cautious and are not travelling through US espionage customs with zero digital devices. Cheaper to buy a burner phone at the new location than attempt to clean a spy ridden one. When travelling overseas leave your personal phone at home and buy a new one when you get there. When you want to bring your digital data back from over seas, encrypt it and send it back to your localised ISP storage or on a device you had hooked up to your home network. When they ask, do you have anything to declare, answer in a proud voice, I like me privacy and I have nothing for you to search or add spyware to.
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
this BS has gone on long enough.
maybe loss of tourism will get some of this idiocy under control.
That's the NSA's job. No need to duplicate the effort...
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
Can't tell if serious or just an elaborate troll... but in other words, privacy is fine until you want to enter a country. Then you should have to provide all information about everywhere you've been, everyone you've communicated with and the contents of that communication, every group or organization you're ever been a member of, every photo you've ever taken, basically every scrap of information about your life from birth to present day? Sounds like a fascist country I wouldn't want to visit. Sounds more like a fascist country you should escape from and never return.
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Loyal to America? No.
Trump does "loyal to Trump" not "loyal to America". Foreign spies are fine, dictators flagged as enemies of the US are fine... as long as they help *Trump*.
1) It should be clear from the emails that Trump knew about his Russian help.
2) If you look at the data Russia hacked, it was ELECTORAL ROLLS mostly.
3) This is the same data that Trump is trying to get now as his role of Whitehouse squatter.
4) So if you follow the data that will have gone to someone to help Trump 'win' an election.
5) And the new data, being obtained on demand from Trump, will be cloned and make its way to the same group for the next election.
6) The group in 5. won't be the usual lot, like Mercer.
Another lazy guy who uses "Border Patrol" when they mean U.S. Customs and Border Protection, Office of Field Operations. The guys in green don't interface with travelers unless you're jumping the fence. The guys in blue have the authority to examine ANYTHING that crosses the border. But they aren't the Border Patrol. The OP probably thinks that CBP stands for "Customs and Border Patrol" because he's too lazy to learn the structure of a government agency that has been around for more than a decade. Shoddy writeup. Lazy. Sad.
Sure man, and when that includes the former Prime Minister of Norway, what then?
Re "Can't tell if serious "
Great.
Mistakes and poor grammar protect against been considered as having any social influence.
A level of good grammar, an expensive education, good spelling, project names are often topics for later human review.
People working for the police and security service also look for interesting people who can influence a lot of people on social media with one comment thats well written, articulate and could show some public relations effort. The sort of education they had.
Does/did that person work for the mil/police/gov and why are they online? The first hint of a whistleblower? A book or book chapter could be next.
In many nations its much safer to have some doubt over occupation, education, use of grammar, skills when commenting on line.
People trying to discover a person who has social influence will then LOL and quickly move onto other comments that are too perfect or that have an insider quality.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
If you're not drunk...then I think you should get some psychological help.
Individuals with schizophrenia may experience hallucinations (most reported are hearing voices), delusions (often bizarre or persecutory in nature), and disorganized thinking and speech. The last may range from loss of train of thought, to sentences only loosely connected in meaning, to speech that is not understandable known as word salad. Social withdrawal, sloppiness of dress and hygiene, and loss of motivation and judgment are all common in schizophrenia.
Distortions of self-experience such as feeling as if one's thoughts or feelings are not really one's own to believing thoughts are being inserted into one's mind, sometimes termed passivity phenomena, are also common. There is often an observable pattern of emotional difficulty, for example lack of responsiveness. Impairment in social cognition is associated with schizophrenia, as are symptoms of paranoia. Social isolation commonly occurs. Difficulties in working and long-term memory, attention, executive functioning, and speed of processing also commonly occur. In one uncommon subtype, the person may be largely mute, remain motionless in bizarre postures, or exhibit purposeless agitation, all signs of catatonia. People with schizophrenia often find facial emotion perception to be difficult. It is unclear if the phenomenon called "thought blocking", where a talking person suddenly becomes silent for a few seconds to minutes, occurs in schizophrenia.
Except unfortunately you're probably on your anti-psychotics, because the rationality of your thought process is not as broken as most patients who stop taking their Clozapine.
Germany has good help for mental health patients... But when you read this they'll know that you've seen it and come for you anyway.
Good luck with your future endeavours.
well written, articulate and could show some public relations effort.
These are qualities that have very little correlation to influence on social media, either on a per comment or per user basis. Sometimes being brash, appealing to a person's emotion, or ignorance is much more likely to get a wide reaction and influence. Ever notice how rarely trolls put effort into any of the qualities you named, while their end goal is to influence people like puppets?
Re 'Ever notice how rarely trolls put effort into any of the qualities you named, while their end goal is to influence people like puppets?"
GCHQ has tools to manipulate online information, leaked documents show (15 July 2014)
https://www.theguardian.com/uk...
The term automated would cover that effort.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Everyone wants to convince everyone else they are right. You do as well - otherwise why would you be posting to a forum stating an opinion and trying to convince someone else its right.
And there are three types of trolls:
Trolls want to convince you that they are right (but they don't actually care or feel that way)
Trolls want you to feel something (hurt/anger/disgust/rage/etc).
Paranoids who constantly are scared of everyone and everything and make arguments like 'just because the sun is in the east doesn't mean its rising....who knows what that evil thing is going to do next!"
You replied to the third type.
Backup your data to cloud
Factory reset
cross border
download data
continue on your way.
Those assholes should not be able to search phones in general.
Hoping that even more is taken from them to restore our rights once more.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Do they mean American citizens crossing the border into the US? Do they mean foreigners crossing the border into the US? Both? Neither?
What the fuck is with the goddamned immigration checkpoints that are tens of miles from the border?
I've seen them further than that, and placed somewhat randomly. This is typically because smugglers avoid the border checkpoints and then carry whatever contraband they're hauling on the regular highways after a certain point, so this is where they are most likely to be caught.
I drove from Phoenix to Yuma once, and found one along the way back. They didn't stop me though, they just waved me through.
-Place phone in plastic bag.
-Duct-tape phone to $400 drone.
-Place drone near border crossing maybe a few miles away.
-Cross border.
-Drive a few miles.
-Fly drone with phone across border.
-Proceed on merry way.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
Your status as a Traveller means nothing to me! I am not legally allowed to "search" your cloud data, but if you show it to me, there's really nothing I can do to stop you is there?
Therefore you will willingly and voluntarily show me your cloud data, effective immediately. I will "invite" you to sit in a crappy chair, in a windowless and airless room, for as long as it takes for you to willingly and voluntarily show me your cloud data. This is solely to allow you to come to the uncoerced decision to show Border Security your cloud data. For your own peace of mind.
We thank you for your cooperation and willingness to comply! Your quiet time begins immediately.