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Scrap Dealer Finds Apollo-Era NASA Computers In Dead Engineer's Basement (arstechnica.com)

Long-time Slashdot reader Joe_NoOne quotes Ars Technica: A pair of Apollo-era NASA computers and hundreds of mysterious tape reels have been discovered in a deceased engineer's basement in Pittsburgh... Most of the tapes are unmarked, but the majority of the rest appear to be instrumentation reels for Pioneer 10 and Pioneer 11, NASA's fly-by missions to Jupiter and Saturn... At some point in the early 1970s, an IBM engineer working for NASA at the height of the Space Race took home the computers -- and the mysterious tape reels. A scrap dealer, invited to clean out the deceased's electronics-filled basement, discovered the computers. The devices were clearly labelled "NASA PROPERTY," so the dealer called NASA to report the find. "Please tell NASA these items were not stolen," the engineer's heir told the scrap dealer, according to the report. "They belonged to IBM Allegheny Center Pittsburgh, PA 15212. During the 1968-1972 timeframe, IBM was getting rid of the items so [redacted engineer] asked if he could have them and was told he could have them."
"NASA told the family of the deceased that it was not in the junk removal business," Ars Technica reports, adding "The two computers are so heavy that a crane was likely used to move the machines." A NASA archivist concluded there's no evidence the tapes contained anything of historic significance.

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  1. Interesting... by Voyager529 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, the stuff is found in 2015, it's news in 2017, and while it's understandable that NASA doesn't want the computers back, there's no room for them in the Smithsonian, or any of the other space museums?

    Moreover, they missed the really interesting part in the summary: The computers are labeled CONTRACT NO. NAS5-2154, a contract which apparently NASA has no paperwork for. Between that, and over 2/3 of the tapes not having any verifiable mission data on them, something, somewhere, doesn't add up.

    To be fair, if it was some sort of secret contract, odds are good that 1970s NASA would have required the machines and tapes be destroyed at that time. Either way, definitely an interesting find, and I hope they'll end up in a museum.

    1. Re:Interesting... by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      You do understand we often study relics to 'innovate' right? Innovation isnt some straight line, it ebbs and flows.

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    2. Re:Interesting... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      Sadly, the last thing an electronic scrap dealer is going to do is contact somebody like the Computer History Museum. Scrappers want to rip the gold and it's all they are about. It's surprising this story even saw the light of day, because scrappers are pretty ruthless. They are the equivalent of construction workers who unearth archaeologically interesting materials. They, too, hate it when they find anything that slows them down from ripping in and building whatever they're being paid to build.

      I am not a sympathizer with scrappers or construction workers who have this attitude, I'm just sadly aware of it.

    3. Re:Interesting... by mlyle · · Score: 2

      Man, why did NASA keep assisting in the development of all those fighter plane prototypes and research programs like X-53, X-31, etc then? :P A huge part of what the Dryden (now Armstrong) Flight Research Center does is military R&D, not to mention significant work at other centers.

    4. Re:Interesting... by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Funny

      The computers are labeled CONTRACT NO. NAS5-2154, a contract which apparently NASA has no paperwork for. Between that, and over 2/3 of the tapes not having any verifiable mission data on them, something, somewhere, doesn't add up.

      They've finally found the smoking gun! These were the machines that were used to Photoshop all the pix for the faked moon landings, and they must have erased the tapes and shredded the contracts to hide the evidence!

    5. Re:Interesting... by lgw · · Score: 2

      NASA used to launch all the secret military stuff, for decades. It was only in the 90s IIRC that the Air Force moved to controlling most of its own launches. Heck, the space shuttle was designed for servicing military sats.

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  2. No evidence when one does not look by perpenso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A NASA archivist concluded there's no evidence the tapes contained anything of historic significance.

    Yes, there is no evidence when one does not look. I believe that a few dozen reels had labels; hundreds of reels had no labels, their contents unknown. If was a great leap of faith to assume that they were all Pioneer telemetry. Other missions? Software?

    Now if they said we don't have the equipment, software or budget to clean and restore the degraded and molded tape, and that the likelihood of successful restoration is quite low, that would have been more honest than "there's no evidence".

    1. Re:No evidence when one does not look by jimtheowl · · Score: 2

      Indeed. The suggestion from the archivist makes me worry about what else he has come across and destroyed.

      It seems from the pictures that part of the equipment for reading these tapes is mostly there. It would need to be cleaned, studied and selectively powered up while sampling output lines. There are plenty of hobbyists and geeks that would love to try to restore the hardware and read those tapes, including myself.

    2. Re:No evidence when one does not look by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      Tremendous negative pressures. If you go much further than the stratosphere, negative pressures increase exponentially.

      Well that's factually, mathematically, and scientifically impossible. On the surface of the Earth, the pressue is 1atm or 101.325 kPa. The least amount of pressure you can have is 0 as in a vacuum of space. It's not possible to have negative pressure much less exponentially increasing negative pressure.

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    3. Re:No evidence when one does not look by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, there is no evidence when one does not look.

      The archivist didn't look on the tapes but perhaps the archivist knew enough about the computer to know nothing of value could exist. For example the control reels may not be data but software for controlling a piece of equipment. Since that equipment doesn't have use anymore what would be point of needing the control software?

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    4. Re:No evidence when one does not look by mikael · · Score: 2

      It's better to have spare parts than have to have downtime. Even with a laptop and living out in the countryside, it saved me many times to have a spare hard disk drive and screwdriver kit.

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    5. Re:No evidence when one does not look by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, there is no evidence when one does not look. I believe that a few dozen reels had labels; hundreds of reels had no labels, their contents unknown. If was a great leap of faith to assume that they were all Pioneer telemetry. Other missions? Software?

      The 'smoking gun' here is that whatever was on the tapes was important enough that the engineer squirreled it away in his basement. Was he simply a hoarder? Did he pull tapes just so that he could someday bring up a 1/2" drive of his own, so he wanted some old scratch tape around to use on it?

      Did the 'archivists' investigate this at all, or was this just a pesky situation interfering with whatever it was they wanted to be doing instead?

    6. Re:No evidence when one does not look by mikael · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's like the story of the UK series "The Avengers". Back in the 1960's, they did an experimental shoot with colour filming, but the contract wasn't to make a colour series. So these films were made, then forgotten about. But the knowledge about the filming remained. Then one day, a woman calls the studio up to say they were clearing out a shed and found tins of film reels up under the roof. These were the lost color episodes.

      Many other missing recordings have been found elsewhere:

      http://ianhendry.com/the-aveng...

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  3. Lost Doctor Who episodes by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The tape probably only contain copies of old Doctor Who episodes.

  4. Junk? by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 5, Informative
    This looks like a CDC 163 - an early example of Seymour Cray's work, and nothing to do with IBM. Pre-1970 though. I would expect museums to be very interested.

    The tapes are standard 1/2", probably recorded as 7 track at 556bpi NRZ, with the opposite parity to IBM - cos that is normal for CDC of that age. Probably readable by sprinkling iron oxide and counting the ridges or you could replace the electrolytics in the tape drives. SCSI compatible tape drives are available on Ebay..

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  5. Re:I hope someone with compatible high end tape ge by HornWumpus · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not so much the gear as the knowhow. You often have to cook old 9 track tape (there is a recipe) to get it to unstick and get one last read out of it. Then you get to clean all the magnetic dust out of the drive and repeat the whole process for the next tape.

    I'm not the dude, but I know someone that far gone.

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  6. Moon landing video? by Solandri · · Score: 2

    How about the lost raw video feed of the Apollo 11 moon landing? The existing video copy everyone has seen was made with a video camera pointed at a monitor displaying the raw feed. 1968-1972 covers exactly the time frame of this lost video. Anyone at NASA would have to be a fool to not at least check out what's on these tapes.

    1. Re:Moon landing video? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      If it's nine track 2400 bpi 1/2" tapes, it isn't going to contain a 'video feed.' It only carries 2400 bits (or bytes) of data per inch. That means that big long tape doesn't contain a 'video feed.' NASA didn't do MPEG back then, and videotape at the time was helical scan and very resource intensive. A lot of date then (and now, obviously) just streams by.

  7. Re:Unemployed for 45 years by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Historically, retirement is mandatory at the age 65 at IBM. That was baked into the IBM culture all the way back from the early 20th century.

    My father retired at 55. Then he proceeded to collect his pension from IBM for more years than he worked. He was damned lucky and I'll never get anything similar. Few of us today will.