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UK Wifi Provider Tricks Customers Into Agreeing To Clean Sewers (upi.com)
An anonymous reader quotes UPI:
Unwitting customers in the United Kingdom who didn't read the terms and conditions for use of a public WiFi hotspot agreed to perform 1,000 hours of community service, including unclogging sewers and scraping gum off the street. The gag was conceived by WiFi provider Purple. The company inserted the clause into its terms and conditions -- the technically legally binding agreement consumers approve in exchange for use of free Internet, though virtually few actually read the terms. The company said it did so to call attention to the fact consumers are regularly agreeing to terms that they may not actually like, including granting access to private information and data about their web browsing habits.
Other community service tasks agreed to by users included "providing hugs to stray cats and dogs" and "painting snail shells to brighten up their existence." The agreement also promised a prize to anyone who actually became aware of the prize's existences after reading the terms and conditions -- yet after two weeks only one person came forward to claim the prize.
Other community service tasks agreed to by users included "providing hugs to stray cats and dogs" and "painting snail shells to brighten up their existence." The agreement also promised a prize to anyone who actually became aware of the prize's existences after reading the terms and conditions -- yet after two weeks only one person came forward to claim the prize.
and conditions....there's the "null"
Any truly competent lawyer should be able to demonstrate that they are badly designed from a human factors and effective communication perspective, as evidenced by the fact that they are almost always unread yet clicked on by almost everybody. It's not an effective contract, since there was no effective communication about it.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
What?
*Nobody* EVER reads those fucking oceans of gibberish, and it's retarded beyond words to expect anyone at all to ever do it. It's insulting. They need to be a few extremely clear-worded bullet points and nothing more. At most a few sentences. ONLY then is it OK to "force" the user to read and agree to it.
...meaning virtually sitting on arse, using your virtually free Wifi.
I donate any prizes I win to widows and orphans.
Vaccines cause autisim
Anonymous sent:
"It's a proven fact Vaccines cause autisim." My comment: Yes, the media will tell you that's not the case, but the package inserts on many (if not all) the childhood vaccines clearly state that autism is a potential "side effect" of the vaccine, so they can't be sued. But the soccer moms tend to be too trusting and/or too stupid and/or too lazy to find out what their "trusted" doctor is really putting in their kids, so the warnings all go in the trash, unread. CNN is more trustworthy than a package insert anyway!
Jen sent:
"Jim, as you may or may not know, my son is autistic (he also has epilepsy and a peanut allergy, all of these diagnoses scream VACCINE-INJURED) and he is a BEAUTIFUL, handsome, fun-loving boy who the girls are making silly goofy faces over (lol), well it breaks my heart that he has autism. Sorry Jim, the trolls piss me off. I wish you and Claudia all the best.
Tainted vaccines using human tissue
Anonymous sent:
Keep in mind concerning the fetal cell lines that were used, a lot of the material safety data sheets for at least one of the cell lines state the fetus was aborted due to concerns about the "psychiatric" state of the mother, and by extension, the child. Just imagine if a number of the psychiatric symptoms end up being found to be directly transmissible
MRC-5 - NORMAL HUMAN FETAL LUNG FIBROBLAST
Repository NIA Aging Cell Culture Repository
Subcollection Specially Characterized Fibroblasts
Biopsy Source Lung
Cell Type Fibroblast
Tissue Type Lung
Transformant Untransformed
Remarks The MRC-5 cell line was developed in September 1966 from lung tissue taken from a 14 week fetus aborted for psychiatric reason from a 27 year old physically healthy woman. The cell morphology is fibroblast-like. The karyotype is 46, XY; normal diploid male. Cumulative population doublings to senescence is 42-48. G6PD isoenzyme is type B.
Also, perpetual cloning of the cell line cannot be in any possible way beneficial towards the integrity, and thus, the mutational stability of the cell line. Even from distancing myself from the usual moral implications of such "science" (it sickens me to even use this term in such aberrations of medicine) it is very simple to see that such practices are only asking for problems and those mindful and still complicit of this methodology of creating vaccines should be imprisoned, bare minimum."
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The Fine Print Society
http://privatopia.blogspot.com/2011/12/fine-print-society.html
by Evan McKenzie
Thursday, December 22, 2011
As I go over all the bills and statements and announcements and changes to this or that plan or arrangement or contract that have flooded into my mailbox recently, it occurs to me that this is a form of concerted action. Corporate managers have collectively determined to overwhelm us with fine print. We can't possibly read all this crap, much less meditate like some 18th century aristocrat on the implications of the content. Yet we can't do so much as download an update to Adobe Acrobat without "signing" a contract. We are conclusively presumed to have read, understood, and agreed to every lawyer-drafted word, and yet everybody knows that none of us reads this. Not even Ron Paul -- so don't start with me. And the more of these contracts we get, the less likely it is that we will read any of them. So corporations have an incentive to send more of them and make them longer and more verbose. This is a collective decision on their part, and it is working, and they know it.
Nearly all of this stuff is enforceable, as many an HOA or condo unit owner has discovered, and it makes citizens relatively powerless. The private logic of contract law structures the relationship as individual consumer vs. big corporation with government as the enforcer of the contract, instead of citizens vs. powerful private organizations, with government as policy maker holding jurisdiction over the relationship.
The law calls these boilerplate documents "contracts of adhesion," but the days are long past when judges were willing to throw them out because they were drafted by one party and imposed on the other, there was gross inequality of bargaining power, and there was no real assent to the terms. Now they are deemed essential to the free flow of modern commerce.
My view has always been that policy makers should be willing to step in and reform these relationships if they become predatory or destructive. But there is little stomach for that presently.
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which specifies Right Whale A-221 as the arbitrator....because, of course, the rulings are always right....
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
So, shouldn't they be calling attention to the ridiculous EULA ecosystem that companies have managed to create, where the agreements are so long and full of legal jargon that the average person can't possibly be expected to fully understand them? Shouldn't they be doing that instead of mocking those same people who either didn't read or didn't understand what they were agreeing to?
"Tell me doctor, with all of your defenses, are there any provisions for an attack by killer bees?"
If there is any city in the world that best understands clean sewers it would be London.
UK wifi provider: LOL! jokes all around! we didnt really want you to paint snail shells!
US wifi provider: You will paint shells until your fucking hands drop off, and if so much as one of them chips, we will grind everyone you love into paint for the next batch.
Adjit Pai: sounds like fun! pick any of your favourite colours youre told to pick!
Good people go to bed earlier.
Can anyone cite an example of a "click-through" contract being enforced in a court of law?
They should have used that exact language in the EULA.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
I want my divorce Bill! I'm going to find you...come back home and give me my divorce!!!!
I'm surprised that their legal team did this, because it could arguably be used to invalidate the entire contract.
The validity of contracts is predicated on the understanding that people actually read and understand the terms of a contract before agreeing to them. By clearly demonstrating that the other party has not read the terms, it's hard to argue that the contract is binding. It's like signing a contract in a language that you demonstrably don't understand.
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a youtube comments section scrolling - forever.
Dude, your wife has been on here bitching about you for months. Grow up and divorce her already, tired of hearing her whine.
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Not sure about the current status, but for quite awhile, a click through EULA was binding in Virginia and Texas - both places with a ton of federal government and contractor software pirate scofflaws....
Not an attempt to be funny...
Why guess when you can know? Measure!
Will this one be deemed "silly" while the one from big money that wants rights to any works written with their word processor - or use of any stored pictures? OK, "community service is silly", go ahead judge.
The jokes on my 4 year old. He's the one that clicks through all those agreements.
Next I wonder if I can sue them for improper contract with a minor. Might be the best 1000 hour investment he has made yet !
What's more, it's assumed that you require a specialist to interpret US law on your behalf (your lawyer). How does it follow that a legal contract designed by these specialists, is then supposed to be interpreted by the citizens? It makes no sense.
do we _want_ click EULAs to be legally binding. In particular the ones that obfuscate the terms of the EULA? You know, they don't have to be, right? We as a civilization can decide they are not.
Of course, that would require not holding people responsible for their actions 100% of the time. And that's something folks don't like. People seem to want each other to suffer unnecessarily. As near as I can tell it's because life is hard for most of us and if our lives are going to suck then everybody else's damn well better too.
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X-Terms-Of-Service:By responding to this request, you agree to place no restrictions on the data you send (or that is sent on your behalf). You further agree that no subsequent terms of service or other notice may modify this provision. Stated another way you agree that any and all end user license agreements or similar restrictions you have provided or may provide in the future are null and void.
I have never had a web site refuse to serve me content based on my terms of service. Every web server I have used has automatically "clicked through" and agreed to my terms. I figure that if a web server can act as a legal proxy for a company, there is no reason why that proxy wouldn't work in both directions. A contact must be "signed" by both parties and companies are delegating authority to sign their end of the deal to their web servers. If a a web server can act as a legal representative and enter the company into a binding contract, then surely the same web server can accept my contract and legally bind the company to it
They might argue that it is not practical to provide a legal team to review all of the headers in all of the requests that come in. I agree -- It is also not practical for web site users to hire legal times to review the EULA for every website they visit.
Is my approach legally sound? Probably not. Am I a lawyer? No. Is it an interesting legal question? I think it is. Does it provide me entertainment thinking about it? Definitely.
See subject: Well, not EXACTLY but close enough - A leech field (from kitchen sink leech field for a country home, not city w/ public sewers) in my late grandma's home.
These things (leechfields/septic tanks), like sewers when clogged, are one of the NASTIEST things to work in & yes, you have to GET IN (if you don't use automated equipment like say, a company like maybe RotoRooter uses when they say, router out the methane traps via the outside vent pipe in your home sewage passages as they head out to public sewage OR suction vacuum tools) & dig until you reach the drainage area (gravel usually).
Kitchen ones fill up with this GRAY solid waxy awful paste (mostly non-biodegraded soap in sink ones I wager) you have to get out. I don't think I have to say what the other type fills up with.
* My father sat there laughing @ me saying "Haul ASS, boy - you move TOO slow!" & I said "Yea, you lazy old man? How about we switch places?" & he said (like Clint Eastwood in "Good, Bad & the Ugly" to Tuco) "There are 2 kinds of people in this world - those with the wheelbarrow above & those in the hole digging - YOU dig!"
Yea.... lol, I "dug it" alright - I almost climbed out of that smelly hell & tossed HIM in there but he did make me laugh.
These folks... I hope they KNOW what they're getting themselves into. That is, IF this is for real!
APK
P.S.=> Thank goodness the human nose "shuts off" after awhile (probably mostly psychological or nervous 'overload'??). I worked in a garbage dump as a kid on a temp job once for a week also. In both cases, You "get used to it" in minutes no matter how bad it stinks but, the stink is REALLY bad & way, Way, WAY worse in sewer leechfields (septic tank stuff) - that latter? NO way, no HOW would I ever do those (not unless a gun was to my head)- I'd PAY RotoRooter etc. instead no matter the cost... apk
This troll got Justy the Boy Wonder to autograph a Nazi flag!
EULAs are toilet paper in EU. Microsoft and Oracle learned the hard way when ECJ approved resale of OEM software.
Who logs in to gdm? Not I, said the duck.
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Most EULA's ask you to do business with a sewer.
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Autism is a side effect of vaccine, It's written on the label you stupid fuck.
Anything to stall the truth about autism just one day longer:
So a team of Koreans have said it is environmental mercury, all the while they ignore vaccines. FACT: Mercury DOES NOT cause autism. The use of fetal tissue cells for viral cultures in vaccines, and GMO yeast with human genes in vaccines, and intentionally destructive adjuvants are what causes autism.
This is super easy to prove: Autism took off in the late 80's and early 90's. Before that time, autism rates were 1:20, 000. In the late 80's and early 90's it suddenly jumped by 100X to 1:200. And it has only gotten worse since then. Since thimerosal was a vaccine ingredient for decades prior to the explosion in autism rates, it cannot be what triggered the sudden increase. It was probably not a good thing to put in vaccines, but it is also impossible for it to be what is causing autism when it's use remained constant while autism rates exploded.
I am getting sick and tired of all the elitist trolls spawning fake story after fake story to divert people away from the truth about what is causing autism. They have gone bonkers lately, so let me line item a couple things:
1. If parents are noticing their kids going permanently bonky after vaccines, IT IS NOT GLYPHOSATE DOING IT.
2. If vaccines have had thimerosal for decades before autism became an issue, IT IS NOT THIMEROSAL DOING IT.
3. If people in the past filled their mouths up with mercury fillings and virtually no one had autism, IT IS NOT ENVIRONMENTAL MERCURY DOING IT.
4. If the human genome self corrects when races get mixed (it does, that is a fact) IT IS NOT GENETIC DEGRADATION DOING IT because race mixing has become common, while autism exploded.
5. If the ONE THING that changed, that is universal to practically everyone is the sudden production of vaccines grown in tissues derived from aborted babies, and that coincides with an explosion in autism rates, THAT IS PROBABLY IT. Anyone with a lick of sense in medicine knows that you can't inject human tissue into someone while that tissue is in the presense of a pathogen, because the immune system will often be tricked into thinking that human tissue itself is the enemy, and it will then attack the body. This is why there has been such a sudden explosion in auto immune disorders, with autism being at the forefront.
Autism is an auto immune disorder that has been triggered against the brain. It can also be caused by triggering auto immune disorders against the oils and proteins the brain needs to function, so it becomes starved. This would fully explain why coconut oil can alleviate symptoms of autism, and would fully explain why the elite have once again turned against coconut oil - autism is a weapon, and they don't want people donning bullet proof vests. They'll have to produce an entirely new line of vaccines designed to wipe out coconut oil if it is indeed a substitute for other oils the brain needs to function, that the current vaccines are designed to wipe out.
Anyway, I was not prepared to go into detail on the topic right now, but those are the basics that everyone should know. Indeed, the elite are doing everything they can to point the finger away from how their vaccines are really accomplishing the job of destroying the children. All they need to do is buy a little more time afforded by deception induced ignorance in the masses - keep people digging the wrong corner of the yard a day longer, - and they will win because they have done so much damage already it won't take much more to cause an unrecoverable situation.
Autism is in fact caused by 1. Human tissue in the vaccines, and 2. intentionally sabotaged vaccine adjuvants. No one with three functioning brain cells can possibly deny it is the vaccines doing it, so the real place to look is what is it with the vaccines that changed? That is the ONLY place anyone
Massive vaccine cover-up confirmed: Secret documents prove vaccines cause autism
A Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request filed in the UK has forced the Department of Health to release confidential documents outlining the details of MMR's initial approval back in the 1980s. These documents reveal that GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), the manufacturer of the MMR vaccine Pluserix, knew that there were problems with the vaccine causing a high rate of adverse events in children. Among these were encephalitis and other conditions associated with autism.
Reading between the lines, health authorities have, in fact, linked MMR to autism -- but they won't come right out and say it. Rubella, for instance, the German measles component of MMR, has been known to be a cause of autism since the 1960s. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has admitted this publicly, as has the National Immunization Program (now the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases). Even Merck & Co. a major manufacturer of MMR vaccines, has admitted that vaccines in general can cause autism.
"[R]ubella (congenital rubella syndrome) is one of the few proven causes of autism," stated Walter A. Orenstein, M.D., former Assistant Surgeon General and Director of the National Immunization Program, in a 2002 letter to the UK's Chief Medical Officer.
"[R]ubella virus is one of the few known causes of autism," explained the CDC on its "FAQs (frequently asked questions) about MMR Vaccine & Autism" page, which has since been removed from public view. It is still available in some web archives.
Vaccines and Autism, Both Sides of The Coin
22 Medical Studies That Show Vaccines Can Cause Autism
September 12, 2013
Concerns regarding vaccinations continue to increase exponentially in light of all of the information and documentation that has surfaced over the past few years. As a result, corporate media has responded to alternative media, stating that the increase of persons who are choosing to opt out of vaccines and the recommended vaccine schedule is a result of âfear mongering.â(TM)
This may not be too surprising as the corporate media is owned by the major vaccine manufacturers, and the major vaccine manufacturers are owned by corporate media(1)(2)(3)(4). Given this fact, itâ(TM)s easy to fathom the possibility that these institutions are desperately trying to protect the reputation of their product.
For example, if we take a look at GlaxoSmithKline and Pfizer, they are owned by the same financial institutions and groups that own Time Warner (CNN, HBO etc.) and General Electric (NBC, Comcast, Universal Pictures etc.).(1)(2)(3)(4) This is seen throughout all of the major vaccine manufacturers and all of the 6 corporations that control our mainstream media. Keep in mind that these are the major funders of all âmedical researchâ(TM) thatâ(TM)s used to administer drugs and vaccinations. Despite these connections, medical research and documentation exists to show that vaccines might indeed be a cause for concern.
Vaccines and Autism, Both Sides of The Coin
Here we will simply present information from both sides of the coin because many are not even aware that two sides exist. Weâ(TM)ve presented multiple studies, citing multiple research papers and published research conducted by doctors and universities from all across the world. Here is an example of a paper that describes how vaccine manufactures and medical âexpertsâ(TM) with drug industry connections have been aware of the multiple dangers associated with vaccinations for over 30 years. Weâ(TM)d also like to present medical research that indicates the many dangers associated with vaccines, and have done this on multiple occasions. We do this because the safety of vaccinations is commonly pushed by the mainstream media, without ever mentioning or citing the abundant medical research that should also be taken into consideration when discussing vaccinations. Please keep in mind that there is evidence on both sides. At the same time, some of the evidence on the side that negates a positive outlook on vaccination has been labelled fraudulent, but then again many havenâ(TM)t.
The vaccine-autism debate has been going on for years. It has been a tale of shifting beliefs as child vaccination rates remain high. On February 1998, Andrew Wakefield, a British gastroenterologist and his colleagues published a paper that supposedly linked Autism to Vaccines(5). More specifically, he claimed that the MMR vaccine was responsible for intestinal inflammation that led to translocation of usually non-permeable peptides to the bloodstream and, subsequently, to the brain, where they affected development(5). His work was unpublished, and he lost his medical license despite the fact multiple studies seem to support Andrew Wakefieldâ(TM)s work (here is one example, and here is another.) He has been labelled a fraud by the mainstream medical world, some experts claim that his research and methods are weak and based on very little evidence. Dr Wakefieldâ(TM)s research will NOT be used in this article.
At the same time I must mention that multiple studies from around the world have concluded that there is no link between Autism and the MMR Vaccine(5). It can become quite confusing a subject given that we have multiple medical studies contradicting each other. Was Dr. Wakefield exposing something that the medical industry did not want you to know? It is known that vaccine man
Can we just have the app apply gay cow troll back instead?
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Applehu Akbar? Sounds like a terrerist
Not only did I have all my vaccinations as a kid, but I recently had shots for shingles (having had natural chicken pox back in the nineteen hundreds, when children still had to go through that) and pneumonia. No matter how much GMO-free tofu you may have gorged on, just my getting close to you would probably give you autism.
You cannot be held to terms that fall short of the reasonable person test. It's actually in your favour to not read most contracts as there is much precedent that will protect you.
This probably doesn't apply in the USA, you'll get 20 years in a private prison if you don't adhere to whatever you sign.
So this seems rather tame in comparison...
We need a software that analyzes the various EULAs, gradually memorizes the parts we have read and signed, and highlight those that represent a novelty :D
Next step: give it the signature delegation: "don't bore me anymore"
CYA
You click "Not Agree" and you don't get Wifi. You don't click anything and you're going nowhere, getting nothing.
In the UK, however, there is definite laws against unfair terms and the use of contracts of adhesion also apply. So actually agreeing is only agreeing to negotiate which bits ACTUALLY apply when taken to court for not agreeing with them.
Frankly, I find it just impossible to read every document I have to sign for every-day life. Not because of time but because my brain just wants to melt, flow out my ears and run away.
I think companies should be required to make customers aware of any kinds of things that are part of a contract which are not immediately obvious to a layman.
So the fact that coffee is hot when freshly bought would not apply but if the only reason your internet is so cheap is the fact that you sell my data, then you better put that on the front page or get sued.
However the TOS included a Herold clause that allowed the company to claim the first born child or the beloved pet of the users who agreed.
One of the terms stipulated that the user must give up their firstborn child or most beloved pet in exchange for WiFi use. In the short time the T&C page was active, six people agreed to the outlandish clause.
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It won't enforce contracts that are unreasonable or hard to understand. This protects consumers a great deal.
Native Americans signed legally binding contracts without effective communications, so these contracts are also all legally binding.
I don't think the article knows the meaning of "technically legally binding". Such a clause is not technically legally binding as case law has demonstrated consumers are not bound to legal clauses that they don't expect in the normal course of a business.
Can't remember the case myself but it had someone to do with someone trying to get someone else signing over the deed of the house on a delivery slip.
WiFi hotspot EULAs I care least about. For the simple reason that it's very hard to trace back anything I do on that hotspot to me. When connecting to a free WiFi hotspot I usually do this because I have some time on my hands and want to get some work done, not because I want to read legalese. Considering the length of these "agreements" you can probably only get halfway before it's time to move on... leaving you no chance to actually make use of the network.
Include the links next time.
In the UK at least, if you didn't pay, there's no contract.