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Porn Websites in UK Ordered To Introduce Age Checks From Next Year (bbc.com)

Reader dryriver shares an article: A nine-month countdown to the introduction of compulsory age checks on online pornography seen from the UK has begun. The April 2018 goal to protect under-18s was revealed as digital minister Matt Hancock signed the commencement order for the Digital Economy Act, which introduces the requirement. But details as to how the scheme will work have yet to be finalised. Experts who advised ministers said the targeted date seemed "unrealistic". The act also sets out other new laws including punishing the use of bots to snatch up scores of concert tickets, and mandating the provision of subtitles on catch-up TV. The age-check requirement applies to any website or other online platform that provides pornography "on a commercial basis" to people in the UK. It allows a regulator to fine any business that refuses to comply and to ask third-party payment services to withdraw support. The watchdog will also be able to force internet providers to block access to non-compliant services.

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  1. This just in... by Baron_Yam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Visits to foreign-hosted porn sites from the UK mysteriously skyrocket after 2018/04. VPN services experience a slight bump as well.

    1. Re:This just in... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      "slight bump".

      I see what you did there.

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    2. Re:This just in... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm waiting for the family, friends, relatives and enemies of UK MPs to get plastered with emails and snail-mails inquiring if they are old enough to be viewing, "Double-Headed Dildo Robot Wars", "The Homeopathy of Spanking Enema Nuns", and "Rum, Sodomy, The Lash, Assorted Farm Animals, and a Oxford Men-Only Dining Club for Former Prime Ministers."

      How long will it take for MPs' addresses to "mysteriously disappear" . . . ?

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    3. Re:This just in... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Just remember to use a VPN in a router so no IP can be recovered by any script or unexpected browser related method.

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    4. Re:This just in... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      They already go well past that https://www.theguardian.com/po.... Necrophilia with a dead pigs head in some other blocks lap, what do they touch, some where in the back of the head and not to forget the Beeb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.... We all know what exactly this is, the whoops censorship laws. Whoops we censored you, when you shouldn't have, don't worry post the 90 day appeal process you'll be back up again and whoops. The way to silence the political opposition and activists. They never do anything wrong, no problem, join, log in, post a pornographic image and they immediately report it to get them banned, do it as many times as you like.

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    5. Re:This just in... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Visits to foreign-hosted porn sites from the UK mysteriously skyrocket after 2018/04. VPN services experience a slight bump as well.

      What makes you think this isn't already the case? I cant think of a single major porn site that is located in the UK.

      Most already have an age gateway that asks if you're 18 (because there's no lying on the interwebs, right). Asking for anything more than that will be a spectacular failure.

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    6. Re:This just in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a Brit, and I'm not aware of any British porn sites (not that I'm an expert on the subject you understand). I mean, we have Nuts, FHM etc, but they're not legally 'porn'. The likes of Playboy, Hustler and whatnot are 'porn', but they're American. Truth be told, those sorts of sites aren't really the problem this is trying to address either.

      There must be some (perhaps a few 'glamour' models have sites which are classed as porn?) but they're not 'household names' as such, and I seriously doubt it'll have any effect on the massive porn business of the USA. I mean, half the USA porn sites don't collect money, and just use advertising, so how are they going to check a credit card? I suspect we'll be back to that scene in South Park where Cartman is going online and just clicks through three age verification checks to see some picture or other that freaks them all out.

  2. Clueless by Harold+Halloway · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And once again, the Tories fail to get that the Internet does in fact extend beyond the borders of the United Kingdom.

    In other words, good luck with getting XHamster to implement an age check.

    1. Re:Clueless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Have you never been to an alcohol related website? They ask if you are 21 or older, you click yes, or no. It's not a check at all. Unless this is being ran through government records and you have to verify your identity in some fashion, there is no possible way they can check someones age or even verify their identity over the internet.

    2. Re:Clueless by gnick · · Score: 2

      Unless this is being ran through government records and you have to verify your identity in some fashion...

      One proposal is to require credit card information. Apparently, in the U.K. a credit card indicates 18+. This, of course, presents some concerns.

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    3. Re:Clueless by gweihir · · Score: 3, Funny

      Up next: UK Internet to be separated from the "pool of filth" that the worldwide Internet is. To be replaced by "clean, healthy and non-degenerate UK contents". Also, UK borders to be closed in both direction and to be secured by mine-fields and auto-guns (know-how comes from former GDR experts) to protect UK people from wandering into dangerous rest-of-the world areas.

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    4. Re: Clueless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not hard to get a pre paid visa. Even as a 12 year old boy. Unless you are paying for the services on the site, who the fuck is going to give a porn site or even an intermediary a cc number just to browse the site. If they required that it would kill off most of them. I'd sure as hell stop hitting those sites.

    5. Re:Clueless by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      In other words, good luck with getting XHamster to implement an age check.

      And good luck with getting e621.net to implement that as well.

      Uh? Oh, a... friend told me about it.

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    6. Re: Clueless by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      This is correct. In the UK, you have to be 18 to sign the credit agreement required by a normal credit card, but a prepaid card is not in fact extending you any credit and thus doesn't require a credit agreement. You can get a prepaid card before you're 18.

    7. Re:Clueless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The uptake of Coco Bandicoot stuff lately pleases me.

    8. Re:Clueless by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Up next: UK Internet to be separated from the "pool of filth" that the worldwide Internet is.

      Not entirely sure what you mean with "Up next". Story from May 20th

    9. Re: Clueless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Merchants can easily tell the difference between a pre-paid card and an actual credit card, so I imagine pre-pay cards will simply not be accepted. The first six digits of the card number is a code called the BIN number which you can look up to tell you amongst other things whether a card is a credit, debit, or prepaid card.

    10. Re:Clueless by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      MSG is bad for you, mmmkay?

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    11. Re:Clueless by quenda · · Score: 1

      Also, UK borders to be closed in both direction and to be secured by mine-fields and auto-guns

      Geography is not your strong point, is it? There is a reason that Britain has not been invaded in nearly a thousand years: the reason is deep, cold and wet.

    12. Re:Clueless by gweihir · · Score: 1

      You seem to be unclear on my historic reference and that in particular the GRD border was entirely designed to keep people in.

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    13. Re:Clueless by gweihir · · Score: 1

      You have a point.

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    14. Re: Clueless by Falos · · Score: 2

      Only if they have to.

      They don't give a flying fuck about the UK's moral theater.

      In fact, they may not give a fuck about the law. "Even if *IF* you tell EVERY one of your ISPs to block us, your country is like 1.5% of our revenue."

    15. Re:Clueless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Germany had similar measures for decades.

      You need a passport to order from German 18+ services (which means most either shut down or stopped offering 18+ content).

      Foreign services get blocked. Try searching google in Germany for xhamster or pornhub. Their sites won't show up. Instead you get a nice "we had to remove some results" message.

    16. Re:Clueless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ohhhhh! But how did people in the past know about Theresa May?

    17. Re:Clueless by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I know, anybody would think we had a land border with another country that has in the past century been hostile to us.

      Oh, wait.

    18. Re:Clueless by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Also, UK borders to be closed in both direction and to be secured by mine-fields and auto-guns

      Geography is not your strong point, is it?

      You seem to think that the UK = England, it's unclear what you might have to add to the conversation

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    19. Re: Clueless by coofercat · · Score: 1

      ...prepaid cards don't pass the same checks - it's not just that you can enter a card number - it's that you can enter a CREDIT card number. To have one of those, you need to:
      1) Be 18
      OR
      2) Steal your dad's card number

      Given that most porn isn't even a UK business, I see this having an effect on maybe 0.1% of the porn available on the internet.That weird kid in school is still going to have loads of it on his phone and will be ready to trade - same as it ever was.

    20. Re:Clueless by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Up next: UK Internet to be separated from the "pool of filth" that the worldwide Internet is. To be replaced by "clean, healthy and non-degenerate UK contents". Also, UK borders to be closed in both direction and to be secured by mine-fields and auto-guns (know-how comes from former GDR experts) to protect UK people from wandering into dangerous rest-of-the world areas.

      Pretty good summary of the Brexit mindset there.

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    21. Re:Clueless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brinternexit?

    22. Re:Clueless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a reason that Britain has not been invaded in nearly a thousand years: the reason is deep, cold and wet.

      A thousand years?!! WTF? The Channel tunnel wasn't even opened till 1994.

  3. With the added bonus by computational+super · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course, with these age checks, the sites themselves (and the government) will have a permanent, verifiable record of what kind of things you look at online. Which, as we know from the history of the surveillance state, almost always ends up "leaked" when it has the potential to embarrass somebody...

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    1. Re:With the added bonus by John.Banister · · Score: 2

      You'd think that a digital ID service could provide a hash to enter into age check sites that would allow the site to confirm the age but not the identity. I bet e-Estonia could do something like that.

    2. Re:With the added bonus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The German ID card does that.

    3. Re: With the added bonus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be encryption. Only people with something to hide use encryption.

    4. Re:With the added bonus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all right. Google and other such identity providers will soon provide their services to the untold masses of lustful British citizens. Collated reports on the sexual preferences of Druids will be delivered on the desk at Number 10 always before Friday afternoon tea.

    5. Re:With the added bonus by Xest · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To be fair last time we had a hardline fundamentalist Christian like Theresa May able to do shit like this called Jacqui Smith it was her husband's porn habits that got leaked.

      It was quite funny watching her fall to her husband's secret porn viewing habits which he paid for using her parliamentary expenses as she waged a crusade against porn.

      If she had any sense she'd have claimed it as research into ease of access, but thankfully like most hardline religious zealots she was astoundingly dumb, though for whatever reason the BBC seems to randomly help her with her crusade by giving her air time about the topic now and then.

      But really this is the type of shit we're going to get more of thanks to Brexit - many leading Brexiteers are also hardline fundamentalist Christians like May, and without the European Courts to protect us against their particularly vile brand of fascism it'll be a free ride for them on issues like this. That's why the Rees-Moggs of the world and such are so desperate to prevent May falling and to avoid any kind of compromise.

  4. Going to be hard, I imagine ... by DaveyJJ · · Score: 1

    To implement. I meant to say hard to implement.

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  5. Why do people vote for prudes? by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

    They must be prudes themselves Well, what’s gonna happen is that the rest of the world will firewall limeys instead.

    1. Re:Why do people vote for prudes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They didn't, she lost the election and is being propped up by a coalition with real actual terrorists and hardline religious fundamentalists.

      You can broadly separate British politics into conservative and progressive parties. The progressive parties won 56% of the vote, but because our electoral system is broken the regressives are doing things they have zero democratic mandate to do.

      To further muddle things up, sometimes the Conservative party is progressive, but not under the current leader and cabinet, currently the regressives rule the roost in that party and are fucking up the country in every way they can before they have their power taken back off them for another 20 years. The current Prime Minister is a vicar's daughter who told an interview the naughtiest thing she'd ever done was run through a field of wheat as a kid. That tells you everything you need to know about what kind of out of touch idiot is running the country at the moment.

  6. Answer this: by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

    >Are aged 18 or over?

    Yes!

    >OK. You may enter, figuratively.

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    1. Re:Answer this: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Are aged 18 or over?

      Yes!

      >OK. You may enter, virtually.

      FIFY

  7. Does the Hon'ble Minister know this? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    When websites try to use these filters you know what happens, the Hon'ble Minister name is printed as Matt Han****

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    1. Re:Does the Hon'ble Minister know this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or more commonly pronounced Matt Hand-on-cock. I think there's a clue in there as to what's going on.

  8. Will have to block Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have lots of porn under open soource licences.

  9. What took the UK so long? by Nutria · · Score: 1

    The US has had this requirement for more than a decade.

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    1. Re:What took the UK so long? by gnick · · Score: 1

      And what a difference it's made!

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    2. Re:What took the UK so long? by sycodon · · Score: 2

      Pornhub never asks me.

      Maybe they just know me as a regular.

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    3. Re:What took the UK so long? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 0

      Pornhub never asks me.

      Maybe they just know me as a regular.

      You'd better check out their "Real Live Amateur Hidden Camera Videos" section . . . maybe they just know you as a star . . . ?

      "If you are old enough to act[sic] in this film, then you are probably old enough to watch it."

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    4. Re:What took the UK so long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if check.cookie==false
      agePrompter
      else

    5. Re:What took the UK so long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea and they implemented it on the "honor" system. As long as the age requirement is posted some where on the site the legal responsibility shifts over to the person who violates the clearly posted age warnings. Why should the government or the porn publisher be held responsible for the actions of a minor? Shouldn't that be the parents job?

      And besides Porn is one of the biggest and most profitable industries on the Internet. The porn industry has better lobbyists than the NRA and Big Oil when it comes to the government trying to interfere with their cash flow.

  10. Slipper slope by grumpy_old_grandpa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The slippery slope of censorship and surveillance in the UK is continuing at a disturbingly predictable path. The ISP level blocking mechanisms are already implemented and in production. Now it's just a matter of adding more sites, and control more of what citizens are allow to watch. Theresa May wants government back-doors in social network and communication apps. Not revealing your encryption key and password can land you in jail for years.

    First they filtered child molestation.
    Then they came for the pirate sites.
    Then they blocked communication of terrorists.
    Then it was any mature content.

    Next? Opposing political opinions? Full ban on naked body images of any kind? All encrypted communication blocked and illegal without a back-door?

    1. Re:Slipper slope by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You missed a step inbetween. There is already a ban on a lot of extreme pornographic content even if it is occurring between two consenting adults.

    2. Re:Slipper slope by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      When facing the choice of having a pedo, pirate and terrorist against me or the state, I choose the former. The potential damage is lower and the chance to get out alive and on top are way higher.

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    3. Re:Slipper slope by fafalone · · Score: 1

      A lot of people don't realize it, but the US bans some porn made between consenting adults too, under obscenity laws. E.g. Max Hardcore, who was sent to prison for it. It's survived extensive appeals too, and in modern times (2000s). And Sessions will probably be worse than Ashcroft. Yet for some reason those disgusting crush videos are ok (small animals being stomped to death). US vs UK are locked in an epic quest to be crowned Ms. Puritanical Oppressor, with the talent portion being a Hypocrisy-Off with who can allow the most awful violent content.

    4. Re:Slipper slope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So first they blocked three things that were illegal anyway, then they put age controls on something that already has legal age limits ... therefore the next step is Orwell-style fascism.

      Not quite leaping to that conclusion myself, to be honest. The four things represent enforcement of existing laws. Why would we extrapolate that any further than to assume they may take other steps to enforce existing laws? There's no law against free political expression in this country, nor is there a law against naked body images, so it would be somewhat irrational to assume there will be any enforcement of these non-existent laws, based on what we've seen here.

  11. Conspiracy by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

    Why do I get the feeling this is funded by British "newspapers" like The Sun and others that have titties inside?

    Either to increase their sales or just they're getting bored of constantly trying to convince the UK to abandon it's healthcare system and be more like the health utopia that is the US.

    1. Re:Conspiracy by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Probably because you're (I'm assuming) an American for whom titties in a newspaper would be a national crisis.

      I mean I'm sure UK folk like a good pair of titties as much as the rest of us, but equating a single weekly topless photo with internet porn is.. a little silly.

      If anyone, it would be more the likes of Playboy or Hustler or other offline (actual) porn.. though of course the porn industry has long been at the head of the pack when it comes to adopting technology so they likely aren't interested in fighting a pointless battle either (if anything, they'd be fighting against it.. printing a magazine is way way way more expensive than sending a jpg to your browser.)

    2. Re:Conspiracy by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      Probably because you're (I'm assuming) an American for whom titties in a newspaper would be a national crisis.

      Right on both, but I personally have no problem with it. It's the only part of those newspapers I agree with.

      I mean I'm sure UK folk like a good pair of titties as much as the rest of us, but equating a single weekly topless photo with internet porn is.. a little silly.

      I wasn't equating them, I'm just guessing that the Daily Mail's brains would say "Hey, we can increase sales by banning internet porn maybe?"

    3. Re:Conspiracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FWIW, Murdoch hates Google because they don't pay Danegeld to him and also because he's a chum of one Larry Ellison, aka Mr Oracle.

  12. Deranged sex-crazed maniacs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish this legislation was in place when I was growing up, perhaps it could have saved me from exposure to various pornography. This way I wouldn't have turned out a deranged sex-crazed maniac fixated on chasing equine tail.

  13. And in other news by RotateLeftByte · · Score: 1

    Sales of US based VPN's to people in the UK double in a matter of weeks.

    Another politician who does not have a clue about the internet.

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    1. Re:And in other news by mjwx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sales of US based VPN's to people in the UK double in a matter of weeks.

      The US?

      With their crazy laws, insane president and that extradition treaty... Hell no, I'll just use the same Norwegian end point I use to access torrent sites.

      Our conservative government may be batshit insane but the US's makes our government look well and truly grounded in reality.

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    2. Re:And in other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea- no. Sorry. UK takes the cake when it comes to batshit insane. It's right next California, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and all of the lower states in the USA. Different reasons each may be insane, but none-the-less. The UK leads the way in terms of being batshit insane when it comes to theft of people's means (ie taxes are nothing more than theft by one group of people to boost that of another), privacy, freedom, security, and liberty.

    3. Re:And in other news by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Yea- no. Sorry. UK takes the cake when it comes to batshit insane. It's right next California, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and all of the lower states in the USA. Different reasons each may be insane, but none-the-less. The UK leads the way in terms of being batshit insane when it comes to theft of people's means (ie taxes are nothing more than theft by one group of people to boost that of another), privacy, freedom, security, and liberty.

      Sorry, but that takes the Batshit Insane award of the week.

      Taxation isn't theft, taxation pays for civilisation. It pays for roads, emergency services, the military, education, health care and many other things.

      Imagine how much roads would cost if you had to pay tolls for every single one of them. That would be real theft. Just think about health care US compared the UK. In the UK the government pays US$4400 per person per year to provide the world class NHS. In the US, the government pays US$9000+ and then the user is expected to pay again, most people will get an inferior service to the NHS because they cant afford to go to the clinics exclusively for the rich.

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  14. R U 18?!? by smithmc · · Score: 1

    IF YES CLICK HERE!

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  15. Age checks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't you have to be legal age to get on the Internet anyway? Aren't parents supervising their children? I think the responsibility rest with them, and if those parents think the kids are too old for that, then that too is the parents choice.

  16. Laughable by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    Once more, politicians showing their complete ignorance of the way Internet works. But, extra points to the UK in its efforts to become a police state.

    1. Re:Laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NEVER attribute to stupidity that which can easily be explained by malice. These are politicians and leaders of industry, not some 17 year old on her first day near an espresso contraption.

      They know exactly what it would take to properly achieve these restrictions, they will have randoms run-over or stabbed on the streets in order to justify protecting everyone until they achieve them, and anybody disagreeing will see their citizen score sink along with their prospects at avoiding homelessness.

    2. Re:Laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NEVER attribute to stupidity that which can easily be explained by malice.

      Occam's Razor would assert the positive - there is more complexity involved in malice than in stupidity. And the truth is that, time and again, politicians have shown to be more often stupid than malicious.

    3. Re:Laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must suck at chess if that is your way of thinking.

  17. Re:Slippery? More like actively greased. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't be silly.

    Political opinions not identical to those expressed by the state are sedition and therefore terrorism, and ANY content not explicitly authorized by The Party is far too mature for any mind too young to be either in-office or suffering from terminal affluenza to safely read. It could scar them for the rest of their family's soon to be shortened life!

  18. Is it still legal to fuck without showing ID? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't have to be a pig.

    1. Re:Is it still legal to fuck without showing ID? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last pig I met carded me.

  19. Good Luck by s1d3track3D · · Score: 1

    Sure, the credit card idea, seems sound, it's not like you can access valid credit card info anywhere online...after they complete this project they should solve Mozilla’s decentralize the internet challenge then figure out how to stream music online without it being downloadable, cheers mate!

  20. Re:Slippery? More like actively greased. by grumpy_old_grandpa · · Score: 1

    You jest, but you are right on point. The laws are already in place, the technical implementations are already in place. Now it's just a matter of taking the next step into full totalitarian dictatorship.

    In fact, if it wasn't for Theresa May being so utterly repulsive, she would have managed this backed by a landslide elected victory. If UK ever gets a charming leader, like Putin or Hitler (both also initially elected and with high approval ratings), it'll be a slam dunk.

  21. So.. by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

    Can someone explain to me why teenager seeking porn should be prevented from finding it?

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    1. Re:So.. by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      They can't vote, so why should they be allowed anything? Of course voting is largely symbolic, so the nanny state is inching towards banning adults from watching porn too, the UK has already made certain types of porn and even advertisements with sexy women illegal. Everything not permitted is forbidden

    2. Re:So.. by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Because the parents of teenagers like to forget (or occasionally remember too well) what it was like to be teenagers, and somehow manage to convince themselves that hormones will magically stop production if their precious children aren't told the "other" use for those bits between their legs. Roll it up into some infamously anti-sex religious fanaticism and you've got a ripe set of stupid laws just waiting to be written.

      Really, all of it is kind of stupid. There are certain aspects to porn (online or not) that need to be dealt with. Porn addiction is a thing. Child abuse is a thing.
        Misogyny and misrepresenting sex in porn is a thing.
        But we tend to treat all of these somewhat delicate problems by bringing out the biggest sledgehammer we can find and trying to crush them out of existence, which either doesn't work or destroys things around it at the same time.. or more often than not, does both.

      At the end of the day, teenagers are pervs. Its not their fault. Nature designed people to start reproducing in the 13-15 age range, give or take, and has steadfastly refused to give any craps about our social norms.

      Perhaps if we maintain our current standard of living (or better) for another few thousand years, evolution will have a chance to compensate for our greatly extended lifespans and fertility that medical science has granted us.. but it won't be in our lifetimes, nor the lifetimes of the next several dozen to several hundred generations most likely.

    3. Re:So.. by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Slashdot screwing up my formatting and me not using preview is also a thing. Dammit.

    4. Re:So.. by coofercat · · Score: 1

      As a parent, I can somewhat sympathise. I mean, if my kids search online for some pictures of people with no clothes on, then ostensibly that's not too bad. I mean, they may get unrealistic expectations of how they and others should look, but hey ho - to some extent that's a manageable problem.

      The problem with the Internet is that in doing that search/viewing, there's a very good chance you're also going to be exposed to some content that's way, way more hardcore than you're ready to see or think about. There are some scenes in that Nicolas Cage film, 8MM which even as a middle aged adult I find a bit disturbing. I'd really rather my kids didn't have to accidentally find anything like that before they're ready.

      All that said, as a parent, it's my job to protect my children from things I think may harm them, and it's also my job to let them explore their boundaries and to help them if they go a bit too far. I also take it as my job to keep the f'ing government the hell away from the Internet - I want the whole Internet, not some filtered piece of crap controlled by some shitheads in Whitehall. We've got a prime minister who thinks running through a corn field is the most naughty thing she's ever done - heaven help us when she discovers people take drugs, drunk, fall over in the street and vomit in doorways. Let alone that that may be curious about what other people do with each other 'behind closed doors'.

  22. Re: Slippery? More like actively greased. by KGIII · · Score: 1

    Umm... Hitler wasn't elected.

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  23. Here's what will happen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The UK now requires people to hand over credit card information to verify access to view porn sites.

    Won't be long before that information gets leaked or hacked... ...and then someone will probably use it to buy child pornography off what I'm assuming is Tor.

    It's almost as if the UK learnt absolutely nothing from Operation Ore.

  24. Re: Slippery? More like actively greased. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is correct but the nazis were the largest party in the Reichstag at the time. Though they had no majority.

  25. Re: Slippery? More like actively greased. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Come to think of it if you replace nazis with the word tories you get a similar situation to Theresa May's election. Though I am unsure if there is any actual difference between a nazi and a tory.
    * checks wikipedia *
    Nope none at all it seems.

  26. sign up requirement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When someone signs up for the site (which could be free or paid), require a credit card as the age verification, where it will charge $1 then refund it back, once you put in all of the required info (name, card#, DATE OF BIRTH, etc).
    That's what I don't get about government and tech firms... they're so busy trying to "think outside the box" they miss the solutions that someone came up with 10 or 20 years ago.

  27. This means a great firewall of UK I presume? by tomxor · · Score: 2

    This kind of ignorant policy making is annoying because for it to actually work at all the following must be true:

    Implement a global white list for all of the internet (AKA absolute censorship and 1x10^-9999999% of sites available)

    Of course what they will actually do is approach it through legislation which will do about fuck all because UK !== internet... but a small piece of me wants them to attempt absolute censorship so the idiots in parliament can see first hand what a bunch of fucking pillocks they all are as they realise it would mean self destruction of the UK economy. Don't meddle with what you don't understand... oh wait that's basically the definition of politics, yes this shit makes me very cynical.

    1. Re:This means a great firewall of UK I presume? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This why we don't see technologists in politics very much.

      You don't need any kind of global white list, this isn't a computer system. The EU passed a law requiring a dialog for cookies, and now most every site has it, without the EU having to have any complete list of websites or any other such nonsense. It's the threat of being fined that keeps sites in line. In this case the threat is to be blocked at the national level. Oddly enough, sites that make money off porn are super pro-active about keeping their customer base intact, so they will implement this well within the 9 months. As for enforcement, you don't need a whitelist, you just need to be able to locate porn sites which aren't doing age checks. This can be done by hand, or by citizen reporting, at virtually zero cost.

      So yeah maybe it's not the policy-making that's ignorant here.

    2. Re:This means a great firewall of UK I presume? by tomxor · · Score: 1

      You are really missing the point... this is supposed to stop kids visiting porn on the internet... (kids) the fastest to learn how to manipulate computers, compared to any other average citizen. You cannot block international sites, and kids will go there if they please, just like they use torrents and VPNs for everything else the UK already blocks. That's why it does have to be a white list, which of course nobody would seriously condone if they inderstood the consiquences. It's a foolish attempt in either case.

      So yeah, the policy makers are ignorant, they have given me way more reasons than this to believe so.

  28. "on a commercial basis"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this mean that ad funded free sites are exempt or not? I'm guessing it is ambiguous and they will need a judge to say that it does apply to them.

    1. Re:"on a commercial basis"? by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      Radio4 news implied ad funded sites would have to do this too. They did point out that giving porn sites credit card details could lead to massive amounts of credit card fraud and blackmail.

      The Honourable Minister for Extreme Stupidity said it was a price worth paying, despite the fact that Twitter etc would be exempt.

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    2. Re:"on a commercial basis"? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      A price worth paying... hanging that asshole from his nuts might hurt, but ensuring that at least he can't pass on his stupidity is a price worth paying.

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  29. Censorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... ask third-party payment services to withdraw support ...

    The main punishment will be a lack of paying British customers. That punishment won't affect ad-driven porn sites. It will also mean Brits can access the small amount of free porn held on subscription sites.

    I'm sure a lot of Americans will be screaming 'censorship' but the UK national Tv network, has from 25 years upto 5 years ago, deliberately broadcast images of bare-breasted schoolgirls, erect penises and even people fucking, into people's homes. That laxness is different to the road-side suicides accidentally broadcast by US networks.

    This seems too narrow a law for censorship and I hope the BBC policy of minimal censorship remains.

  30. Larry Quiz by Master+Moose · · Score: 1

    I hope the age check is like the old Leisure Suit Larry age check quiz.

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  31. Age checks from next year? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With what, time travel?

  32. There was a German Otto catalog in the 90s by Gabest · · Score: 1

    My first sexual experience was looking (and...) at the lingerie pics. They never asked if I was over 18. I feel cheated by the unregulated world I had to live in.

    1. Re:There was a German Otto catalog in the 90s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Germany is way ahead of the UK in terms of censorship these days.

      If you want to offer anything 18+ online in Germany you need age verification to an extent that is unreasonable. Local sites that don't comply get shut down. Foreign sites get blocked in search engines, etc (e.g. Pornhub does not appear in Google.de results). We've had that for decades thanks to our youth protection laws.

    2. Re:There was a German Otto catalog in the 90s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet the only thing it has hurt is the local sites because even for adults it's easier figure out how to get to the foreign sites than to do the verification.

  33. Operation Ore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or worse will happen again. Incompetent vigilantes not able to discriminate between real criminals and the innocent

  34. Proud to be Australian by aberglas · · Score: 1

    When Mnsiter Conroy (Labor) tried to introduce internet censorship a few years ago the outcry was so large and pervasive that they had to back down They did not do so lightly, the saga went on for years. Conroy did everything to force it through. But then an election loomed and it was dropped.

    The current conservative Liberals would love to introduce it, but having watched Conroy burn they do not dare. (Things could be different if they ever did really well in the polls.)

    The UK public, on the other hand, just rolled over. We do not quite have the tabloid press that they do though.

    (Not to say all is well down under, surveillance, etc. is hot. But we value their porn far more than our British cousins. )

    (Conroy is a devout catholic, who having left parliament took up a job lobbying for the poker machine industry.)

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  35. Other harmful web sites as well ? by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    I note that Will Gardner (Childnet CEO) says: "Protecting children from exposure, including accidental exposure, to adult content is incredibly important, given the effect it can have on young people,".

    So will he also be pushing to protect children from other types of web site that can have effects on them ? I am thinking of religious sites. The views expressed on these can cause considerable trauma; think of the effect of seeing the views expressed about homosexuality on a young gay boy ? Or how about the views expressed about people of different, or no, faith ?

  36. Yourbrainonporn.com - read it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you think pornography is benign, you need to read the website www.yourbrainonporn.com. It's normally only when the problem has already occurred that people start to question what they are doing to their minds, by looking pornography.

    1. Re:Yourbrainonporn.com - read it by Cederic · · Score: 1

      You think my brain on porn is bad, you should see it on a 16 year old girl.

  37. Land borders of the U.K. by k2r · · Score: 1

    The U.K. has a land border with the Republic of Ireland and a border with the Kingdom of Spain.

    It may even have one with the French Republic because of the tunnel