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Oregon Passes First Statewide Bicycle Tax In Nation (washingtontimes.com)

turkeydance writes: In Oregon, a state known for its avid bicycling culture, the state legislature's approval of the first bike tax in the nation has fallen flat with riders. Democratic Gov. Kate Brown is expected to sign the sweeping $5.3 billion transportation package, which includes a $15 excise tax on the sale of bicycles costing more than $200 with a wheel diameter of at least 26 inches. Even though the funding has been earmarked for improvements that will benefit cyclists, the tax has managed to irk both anti-tax Republicans and environmentally conscious bikers. The bike tax is aimed at raising $1.2 million per year in order to improve and expand paths and trails for bicyclists and pedestrians. Supporters point out that Oregon has no sales tax, which means buyers won't be dinged twice for their new wheels.

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  1. Hmmm. by msauve · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obviously an initiative being pushed by bike shops in neighboring states.

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    1. Re:Hmmm. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Also by manufacturers of bicycles costing $199, and for tire companies specializing in 25.5" and smaller.

    2. Re:Hmmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I want all the benefits that tax money supports. I just don't want to pay money to get them.

    3. Re:Hmmm. by AK+Marc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To avoid the $15 tax, I'm going to sell 24" bicycles with a $20 conversion kit to convert them to 26".

      Based on the responses here, people would queue up to spend $5 to make sure the government didn't get any income.

    4. Re:Hmmm. by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, from the anti-tax Republicans/Libertarians it would be: "I don't think the government should be in the business of providing these benefits."

      And the pro-environment types would be like: "I want the government to encourage environmentally-friendly transportation by subsidizing it."

      So both groups are being quite rational. Neither is thinking like the way you've set up your straw man.

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    5. Re:Hmmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Liberals will eat their own.

  2. Ha! by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Take that lefties. What goes around comes around.

  3. Only $1.2M? by hawguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Will $1.2M even pay for the administrative overhead for the state to collect and disburse the money?

  4. It makes sense. by BitterOak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When I buy gasoline for my car, I pay a tax which is used for the construction and upkeep of roads. I also pay a fee when I register my vehicle each year which goes to the same purpose. Bicycles don't consume gasoline, nor does one pay a registration fee, yet it does cost money to build and maintain bike paths. Yes, bicycles are more environmentally friendly and their use should be encouraged, but there are costs to supporting cyclists other than air pollution. Why shouldn't bicyclers pay their fair share?

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    1. Re:It makes sense. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There are cost SAVINGS to supporting cycling. Not just in the externalities of pollution that car users avoid paying, but also less competition for parking spaces, fewer vehicles double-parked (think bike courriers as compared to car courriers), the indirect cost of cars vis. obesity and general health, etc.

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    2. Re:It makes sense. by Antibozo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What you are overlooking is that the vast majority of cyclists own cars also. This means they're paying those registration fees right along with you. As for the gas taxes, the amount of gas tax not paid because of cycling is very small, because most cycling trips are short. For trips that require significant gas, most cyclists get in those cars they own.

      Meanwhile, when they're not in their cars, cyclists are using up far less space on the road, and causing no damage to the road surface.

    3. Re:It makes sense. by Jeremi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So why is it fair that non-cyclists have to pay for bike paths they can't use?

      There are literally thousands of things that your taxes pay for that you will never personally use. Is that unfair? Perhaps, but on the plus side you get to be part of a functioning first-world society and not some third-world hellhole. Take comfort in the fact that there are other people paying taxes to provide you with the particular public services you need, even if they never use them.

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  5. Re:Do I see a renaissance in 24" bike wheels? by JustOK · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sell them with no wheels. Wheels sold separately.

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  6. Re: Good by lucm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Compared to the same number of people in a car, they're WONDERFUL for the environment.

    No they're not. A single bus causes more wear and tear on the road than thousands of cars combined.

    The problem is not cars, the problem is gas emissions. Once that problem is solved properly, the world of mass transit will be disrupted as things like urban sprawl will become a solution rather than a concern.

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  7. The tax man come-ith by Charcharodon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and the money will end up going to everything but new bike paths. A good 1/3 of it will be eaten up in paychecks and benefits for what ever little office that will suddenly triple in size because of the new money. That and the money will end up only in pet projects near the homes of the most powerful rather than in "best bang for your buck" projects that will actually be useful to the public at large.

  8. Re:If it moves you tax it! by Charcharodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The full saying goes: If it moves tax it, if it keeps moving regulate it, if it stops moving, subsidize it.

  9. they should have included it in the gas prices by kiviQr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    simple solution add to the cost of gasoline! Joke aside, it would push more people into biking making state healthier!

  10. Idiots by nightfire-unique · · Score: 3, Insightful

    By definition (confirmed by observation), taxes disincentivize activity. In an age where cyclists are literally saving the planet, a tax on them, discouraging their use, is patently absurd.

    Fuck those assholes.

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  11. Re:Lefties hate this tax too by Tailhook · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But I thought you liked paying taxes. Ordinarily when a tax matter appears on slashdot any number of liberals chime in to lecture everyone on how we should all appreciate our opportunity to contribute to the system and be thankful for having the means to do so. Then they list their favorite government goodies (forever avoiding the 'common defense' part) and share how great they feel when they see their pay stub and all the fine institutions their funding.

    What could be more wonderful than funding bike paths? The same logic that rationalizes ever higher gas taxes to fund roads seems applicable here as well. Now you have a brand new opportunity to contribute. Enjoy.

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  12. Compulsory charity by mi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't $1 to help the intended goal better than no help?

    No. Because it is compulsory, which violates my freedom. If that poor kid stole or robbed me of $1, you would've agreed, however reluctantly, that he should not have. But, for some bizarre reason, when the government does it — takes $10 at gunpoint to give the kid $1 — it is Ok and "the price of civilization".

    “I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”

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    It is my money. If you believe, you need it more than I do, you can ask — politely — for my help. But you can not just come and take it — such confiscations are only permissible to finance defence from foreign enemies and domestic criminals.

    Because it's not going to be built by some non government entity

    If there aren't enough people to pay for it voluntarily, then it does not need to be built at all. Simple, eh?

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    1. Re:Compulsory charity by dunkelfalke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your definition of what is allowed to be compulsory charity is just as arbitrary as any other and not inherently true, like you think it is. Actually, unless you are a hypocrite you must follow your randroid beliefs to their only logical conclusion - defence from crime and enemies has to be funded voluntarily or not at all - after all, why should your neighbour be responsible for your problems - and if you cannot defend yourself you only get what you deserve. If I'd want to be especially cruel, I'd say, "just like your country right now" because by randroid logic you so much like you are worthless and don't deserve any help if you cannot pay for it out of your own pocket.

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    2. Re:Compulsory charity by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That is a GREAT Madison quote! I like this one, too!

      "The government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government." -- James Madison, speech in the House of Representatives, January 10, 1794

      But what did Madison know about the Constitution, he only wrote the thing...

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    3. Re:Compulsory charity by mr.mctibbs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dude, the general welfare clause is literally right next to the common defense clause. If the government can steal my money to blow up brown people in countries literally half a world away it can sure as shit spend some of it on making my community a better place.

    4. Re:Compulsory charity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No. Because it is compulsory, which violates my freedom.

      No, it doesn't violate "your freedom".

      It is my money.

      The only reason why you can work, earn, and spend money is because you live in a governed society. The very fact that you can claim something is "yours" is because there are laws governing ownership, currency, employement, etc. enforced by...wait for it...the government.

      Our government acts to promote the common good. You may not agree with everything the government does, but as a person taking full advantage of living under said government you have an obligation. If you don't like something, then vote to change it.

      If you believe, you need it more than I do, you can ask — politely — for my help.

      That's not how our government works, and if it did then it wouldn't last long as the rich certainly don't give a rats ass about anyone else. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and it's even in the constitution that the government shall provide for the general welfare of the public. If you don't like that then I suggest you move to Somalia where your selfish utopia exists.

       

      If there aren't enough people to pay for it voluntarily, then it does not need to be built at all. Simple, eh?

      If you're stupid then it's simple. If you have more than a couple of braincells then you can quickly figure out how ridiculously idiotic this statement is.

    5. Re:Compulsory charity by greythax · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Jesus, how do these things get modded up? Theft is when someone take from you and gives you nothing in return. Taxation is what you pay to live in a certain society, and is paid back to you in the form of things that enhance your life directly, or things that enhance your economy so that you have MUH MONIES in the first place (see free roads.) If you have such a problem with taxes, you can elect representatives to repeal them, or take the ultimate libertarian option and move to the arctic circle.

      I'm so sick of this childish fantasy that someone could squat in a shack in the middle of the woods somewhere with no utilities or roads and run a fortune 500 company if only the government would stop taking MUH MONIES!

      Wake up, you were born into a first world nation that was willing to provide you with education and basic social services, and you are still choosing to live in and benefit from those services. If taxation is theft, then you are living off of theft. Period. Do the moral thing and move somewhere else more in line with your ideals. Like Rawanda or Hati, or some other hell hole where the government is toothless and you can be "free" to do whatever you want.

      Modern libertarianism is just rampant greed disguised as a philosophy of government.

    6. Re:Compulsory charity by OhPlz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      International concerns are a matter for the federal government. Making your community a "better" place is a function of your local government, not the feds. Think how much more money your community would have if it wasn't ripped out of your people's paychecks and sent to the swamp in DC to be squandered.

  13. Tell that to Bill Gates and Warren Buffett by mpercy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They donating billions of dollars of their money to their own (and each other's) charitable foundations.

    If they believed in Government, they'd simply stop arranging their affairs--including their donations to charity and especially donations to charities they control--so as to avoid and minimizes taxes paid.

    In giving to their foundations, they are bypassing potential estate taxes later. The Government could have used that money.

    In giving to their foundations, they are offsetting current income taxes with deductions for their giving. The Government could have used that money. At one point Warren Buffett had $30B of carry-over charitable donations. He will be using that to offset his income taxes for the rest of his life.

    In giving to their foundations, they are donating appreciated stock. That is, they are giving away stock that was given to, paid to, and/or bought by them long ago at pennies on the dollar relative to current stock prices. I've no idea about the actual values, but for sake of illustration, let's say thatg 20 years ago Bill Gates was granted options for 1M shared of Microsoft at $1/share, now valued at $100/share (didn't check, don't care it just for illustration purposes). In stock option payments, he would have paid income taxes on the difference between the option price ($1) and the market price at exercise, say $2. So in effect he was given $2M in stock, for which he paid $1M, so there's a tax liability on the $1M difference. So he paid that and holds the stock to today and it's worth $100M (in my illustration, ignoring possible splits, etc.). If he sold that stock to fund his foundation, he'd have to pay capital gains taxes on $98M in gains. But if he gives the appreciated shares to his foundation, he saves taxes three ways. First, he doesn't pay the CG taxes. Second, he claims a deduction for the full $100M of giving. Finally, that $100M is no longer in his estate, and he's therefore bypassed estate taxes.

    If Mr Buffett and Mr Gates believed in the effectiveness of government over the effectiveness of private charities, they'd stop doing these things and let the government get their full tax cut. Instead, both of these men work feverishly in their avoidance of taxes (perfectly legal avoidance). Further they do so completely ignoring the irony of their simultaneous cries for higher taxes.