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FCC Says It Has No Documentation of Cyberattack That It Claims Happened (thehill.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Hill: The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) declined to reveal analysis proving that it was the victim of a cyberattack in May. The agency claimed at the time that its Electronic Comment Filing System (ECFS) did not actually crash because of a large amount of traffic on the site prompted by John Oliver telling viewers to file comments in favor of net neutrality on his HBO show, Last Week Tonight. Instead, the FCC said that the ECFS went down as a result of a DDoS attack. In its response to Gizmodo's FOIA request, the FCC said that the attack "did not result in written documentation." "Based on a review of the logs, we have already provided a detailed description of what happened. We stand by our career IT staff's analysis of the evidence in our possession," an FCC spokesperson said when asked for comment on the matter.

54 comments

  1. Wait for it... by bogaboga · · Score: 0

    "Blame Russia!"

    With the media hysteria, we can only expect this kind of narrative.

    1. Re:Wait for it... by Desler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or just point out that Ajit Pai was clearly lying about the DDoS.

    2. Re:Wait for it... by JaneTheIgnorantSlut · · Score: 1

      Blame Obama!

    3. Re:Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    4. Re:Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Blame Obama! Blame Hillary! Blame anybody but the guilty party!" seems just as likely.

      Frankly, with what's been coming out on The Brothers Trumpazov, I wouldn't be surprised if there was Russian interest in killing off net neutrality and otherwise weakening the free Internet - only further emboldens and empowers their active measures. Which, interestingly enough, have started to include postings on Slashdot alongside reddit.

    5. Re:Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ANOTHER Trump-flavored moron pretending Russia has never hacked and would never hack to destabilize the US government....

      Throw it on the burn pile.

    6. Re:Wait for it... by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      There's plenty of actual Russian operations for you to deny, why are you wasting your time here?

    7. Re:Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those lying liars. Lying there lying about their lies.

    8. Re:Wait for it... by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Blame Obama!

      I believe the correct term is:
      Thanks Obama!

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      The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
    9. Re:Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://np.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/6odans/fcc_now_says_there_is_no_documented_analysis_of/dkgxguo/ [reddit.com]
      Burned your ass but good.

    10. Re:Wait for it... by bogaboga · · Score: 1

      He may well be a moron, but also right

      Apparently, the US of A doesn't like the prescription it metes onto others, right?

    11. Re:Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The question is not whether the US meddles around the world, obviously that is true.

      The question is whether the OP's intent was to downplay Russia's 2015-2017 hacking campaigns as comparable to the FCC's undocumented claims.
      14 US intel agencies have PLENTY of documentation of the Russian cyber adventures. It wasn't a one-day DDOS event after an unpopular decision.

      But I do tend to doubt the US would use "similar" or "comparable" methods to influence elections in Russia, though our agencies of course do plenty else.

    12. Re:Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You appear to have your sides around the wrong way. Ajit Pai is clearly pro-Trump...

      unfortunately for him, the Antifa bugbear isn't developed enough to blame for teh cybers yet
      probably partially because when average people hear 'anti-fascist' they go 'fascists are bad, opposing them is probably ok'

      It'd be real nice if all the propaganda kids who think they're the best at it could just grow up a bit

    13. Re:Wait for it... by Greyfox · · Score: 0

      I'm inclined to suspect incompetence over malevolence, though. You know how it is, web site goes down under the load and some dumbass middle manager prone to hysteria freaks out about a "cyberattack." God knows he can barely even operate the office coffee maker without third degree burns. Wait, we're still talking about the FCC, right?

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      I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

    14. Re:Wait for it... by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How will that help? Pointing out lies no longer has the desired effect. They keep lying, and they keep their jobs, and the voters don't care.

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    15. Re:Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      16 investigations into Benghazi, now that's hysteria! Stay BTFO!

    16. Re:Wait for it... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Why lie. Quick we are getting to many contacts that support net neutrality, what do we do. Er, Er, Er, shut down the computers with a false flag DDoS make sure no traceable evidence, destroy all documentation. See no lie, just an omission, oh and a deletion.

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    17. Re: Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can pretend all you want, you seem really well versed in it, but until you can PROVE what hacking was done, your "feelings" about what happened are as relevant as my dog's.

    18. Re:Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "As you know, the (ICA) was a coordinated product from three agencies; CIA, NSA, and the FBI not all 17 components of the intelligence community." - James Clapper

      Seventeen agencies didn't independently investigate Russian hacking, but the head of the 17 groups said, (paraphrasing) "we found evidence, and I speak for all 17." I would say "14 [or 17] US intel agencies have PLENTY of documentation of the Russian cyber adventures" is misleading, perhaps hyperbolic, and provides fodder for those who are trying to defend Trump's own hyperbolic statements.

    19. Re:Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The head administration of each of the 17 saw the evidence and agreed with it, despite it being actually "investigated" (executed) by the three you mentioned.

      It's not misleading, it's not hyperbolic, they've seen the evidence AND they ALL agree that it's very, very serious stuff.

    20. Re: Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Putin might DMCA me for this one, but I've uncovered their secret algorithm for shit-posting on reddit and Slashdot:


      if complaint.lower().find("russia") != -1:
              whine("muh proof")
      else if analysis(complaint).proof.provided == True:
              whine("muh illegal leaks, the Deep State needs to be reined in!!")
      else:
              possible_response_keys = ['HILLARY_EMAIL_INCIDENT', 'DNC_INFIGHTING', 'MANUFACTURED_MYTH_PIZZA_CRIMES']
              gish_gallop_length = random.randint(1, len(possible_response_keys))
              for g of gish_gallop_length:
                        whine(get_prefab_complaint_fulltext(possible_response_keys[g]))
      end

  2. They do not even care anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am just glad that they have stopped wasting our time and are willing to admit that they just do not care anymore.

  3. Misleading headline by XXongo · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Not quite. From the article linked: "The agency says it does have data logs on the attack but can't release those for privacy reasons."

    So, it's not that it "has no documentation"-- it's that it can't (or won't) release documentation.

    Not the same thing.

    1. Re:Misleading headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice try,but they actually quoted the FCC:

      "The analysis referred to stemmed from real time observation and feedback by Commission IT staff and did not result in written documentation," the FCC said.

    2. Re:Misleading headline by MasseKid · · Score: 1

      The voter commission had no problem releasing personal details of people submitting comments against them, why does the FCC have a problem with it?

    3. Re:Misleading headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't difficult to assign each IP a placeholder value.

    4. Re:Misleading headline by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Then.. Wouldn't the "report" of the "IT staff report" which was apparently verbal not in itself constitute documentation?....

      Oh the irony...

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    5. Re:Misleading headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but the real irony here is that now they are pulling an unpopular law against public privacy but also want to protect submitters privacy but only in this especific case.

    6. Re:Misleading headline by quantaman · · Score: 1

      Not quite. From the article linked:
      "The agency says it does have data logs on the attack but can't release those for privacy reasons."

      So, it's not that it "has no documentation"-- it's that it can't (or won't) release documentation.

      Not the same thing.

      It's about the size of the lie.

      Saying "it happened but we can't release any details". Is consistent with both a real DDOS and "well some IT staff thought it was a DDOS so we just kinda assumed they were right". Even if they're deliberately lying they haven't said enough to get in trouble.

      Now, to release a paper trail means you're either releasing doctored evidence or evidence that is clearly wrong. Either way it's a lot easier to hold someone accountable. That's why the media pushes for these kinds of documents, because it holds officials accountable in a way that public statements can't.

      Now, the attorney in question has been there since 2011, so she's not a Trump appointee and is probably legit... But Trump's appointees have had a few months to start asserting their authority. I'm not saying you shouldn't have been sceptical of official statements from Government organizations previously, but whatever scepticism you did have you should increase about 10-fold.

      There is a final twist to this, if you're talking about evidence of a DDOS there is a legit concern about how easily you can anonymize it, even if you do strip out IPs some enterprising admin might recognize some timestamps from their own logs.

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      I stole this Sig
  4. Clueless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does Slashdot feel about the Federal Communications Commission being technologically inept?

    1. Re:Clueless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      How does Slashdot feel about

      Who cares? This place use to have enough traffic that it alone could DDOS a site; it was called is "slashdotting." Now it's just a backwater and no one is paying attention to the few remaining long hair freetards still pissing away their employers time here, least of all the FCC.

    2. Re:Clueless by bobbied · · Score: 2

      How does Slashdot feel about the Federal Communications Commission being technologically inept?

      They are run by a group of political appointees who may or may not (mostly not) have relevant technical experience. Who's surprised that they don't know what they are doing? Or that they are beholden to their political interests over what actually makes technical sense? I'm not.

      I saw this clearly when they took up the BPL (Broad Band over Power Lines) issue, where they where going to shove internet data over the power lines on wide bandwidth RF carriers and the FCC commissioners ignored the fact that this would pretty much interfere with pretty much every licensed radio service using any frequency starting at DC up though light. Who thought THAT was a good idea? You guessed it, the FCC... Or when they entertained Light Squared's proposal to pretty much make every GPS user buy new hardware, just so they could obtain otherwise unusable spectrum space for their high speed data service....

      Yea, for the most part, the FCC is a bunch of political hacks who are put into place to satisfy the big corporate donors supporting political campaigns and not for their technical skills or understanding..

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      "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
    3. Re:Clueless by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1
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      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
  5. Cross post from Reddit front page by burtosis · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Link to original text

    We caught them red handed -- they claimed 'cyber attack' but we have the uptime reports. We have the connectivity reports (their CDN is Akamai - you can view real time attack data for their network -- if the FCC site was down, a big chunk of the web would have been too). It would have made big news in the IT/networking world if Akamai hiccup'd... since they were able to handle the world's largest DDoS last fall. That got noticed... by, erm, everyone. Network Operations Centers all over the world saw it. Did anyone see the FCC DDoS? crickets There's evidence that the bot is being run on an API -- in other words someone inside the FCC specifically gave access. They have to issue special keys (just like with Reddit!) -- and they're rate limited. They would know who's doing it instantly, because that API isn't available for just anyone: You have to ask for it -- click on the link, it'll show you the form; It asks for name and e-mail. Someone from the FCC said as much -- it was API accesses, not public-facing. If there was a connectivity issue it wasn't external, it was internal, preventable, and that's why they won't give out the server logs. Because they knew who was doing it, could have stopped it, didn't, and are letting it continue to happen as we speak. They know exactly which comments are being submitted by bots, and who owns them. Purely for my own amusement, I went looking for the Terms of Service for accessing the API. Click. Click. Aaaand here we are: "FCC computer systems employ software to monitor network traffic to identify unauthorized attempts..." :snip: "If such monitoring reveals evidence of possible abuse or criminal activity" :snip: cough Fraud cough "Unauthorized attempts to upload or change information on this server are strictly prohibited". Not going to do anything, FCC? Says what they did is "strictly prohibited"... soooooooo.... crickets The previous link provides evidence it's a grand total of... five. Five different copy pasta text; And all sourced from the same stolen identity databases. And the submission times are painfully obvious that it was automated: The number of submissions per second was nearly constant too, like clockwork. And submitted alphabetically. What's more... They prepared for this years ago. You can say, unironically, "Thanks Obama" for that one. They specifically upgraded the public comments after the last network neutrality comment crush. Rather a lot (footnote: ECFS is the comment system -- and it was specifically targeted for a revamp and big bump to system capacity). That capacity wasn't exceeded -- not by the general public anyway. The inflow rate of submissions from John Oliver's gofccyourself.com came in well under -- 150k versus 1.1 million? It's hard to imagine how they'd add all that extra capacity only to have it fall over dead under a fraction of the load. Someone was even nice enough to make a map of who's submitting the comments. Look at the first time this happened. Then look at that one. Notice anything? This time around, the map looks like a mirror of the population distribution of the entire country. By the numbers, the whole nation knows about Network Neutrality, across every demographic... equally. Including the deceased. Oh, they never filed a report with the Department of Homeland Security, which is what every government agency is supposed to do if they experience a cyber attack. Double bonus round, Here's the FCC's own page on cybersecurity preparedness and response. And what do they say? "The FCC, because of its relationship with the nation’s communications network service providers, is particularly well positioned to work with industry to secure the networks upon which the Internet depends." Sounds like someone who'd have a plan, you'd think.They claimed to the media something their own policies dictate what the response should be -- and they did

    1. Re:Cross post from Reddit front page by Scarred+Intellect · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that. I can't mod you up as I don't have mod points, but thanks. It's interesting times we live in, will be neat to see something come of this. I have my doubts, but I also have my hopes.

    2. Re:Cross post from Reddit front page by aod7br7932 · · Score: 1

      Definitely needs to be modded up.

    3. Re:Cross post from Reddit front page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Top rate rant? It's bullshit. Well sourced and well-jargoned but it's all based on a series of premises that aren't actually true. Nor do they link to sources.

    4. Re:Cross post from Reddit front page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 this. The rant went into conspiracy land in the first few lines. It's full of unverifiable statements that are the basis of the following statements.

  6. so, new law ? by jmccue · · Score: 4, Funny

    So will there me a new definition of a DDOS ?

    Law --
    You cannot submit a comment to a Federal Agency when someone else is submitting a comment at the same time to any Federal Agency. Doing so violates the "Computer Fraud and Abuse Act" and the Patriot Act.

    1. Re:so, new law ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds more like a "You cannot submit a comment a Federal Agency is being paid to disagree with" kind of law to me.

  7. Misleading Lack of Privacy Concerns by SeattleLawGuy · · Score: 1

    In both this story and the July 18th story on the FCC, the summaries have been misleadingly one-sided in that they have utterly failed to disclose the FCC's position that *Privacy Concerns* are a large part of why they have not fully responded to the FOIA requests.

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    Real lawyers write in C++
    1. Re:Misleading Lack of Privacy Concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      misleadingly one-sided

      You must be new here. Slashdot is a freetard wank fest and anything that fails to support NN is 7h3 3v1l5.

      And I say that as a NN supporter.

    2. Re:Misleading Lack of Privacy Concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's their excuse. And it's utterly unbelievable. Just like when it's the police not disclosing information, it's to "gather all the facts" or "complete a thorough investigation" even while the odor of male bovine excrement emanates from every office of theirs.

      Sorry, but that's the fault of the guy you put at the head, the piss flows straight down from the top.

  8. Denial Of Service Attack eh? by bobbied · · Score: 1

    You mean somebody tripped over the power cord in the server room again?

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    1. Re:Denial Of Service Attack eh? by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      "tripped"

  9. This is surprising? by quonset · · Score: 1

    Anyone who has followed the con artist knows his modus operandi is to say something outrageous then refuse to provide any evidence to support the lie. We're supposed to accept his word is the truth despite lack of evidence.

    That falsehood has now carried over to his disgraceful administration in the form of the FCC lying about being DDoS'd. Anyone with a minimal amount of technical knowledge can see through the lie, that the reason the web site went down was the rush of people trying to post their pro-net neutrality views which will, of course, be promptly ignored in favor of big businesses such as AT&, Comcast, Verizon, et al.

    After all, who cares what the people think? It's only what the swamp dwelling lobbyists think. The non-answer of the FCC, that they don't have any records to provide, says it all.

  10. Not a DDoS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We really should't let the FCC get away with claiming that a server overload from legitimate traffic is a DDoS.
    I work at a webhosting company, and probably within the first week or so an employee has to learn to tell the difference, and the differences are not that difficult to see.
    If you look over the logs on a actual attack you'll see that there are patterns among the many different IP addresses hitting you, such as them all using about 10 different user agents, and those user agents usually don't make a lot of sense (how many people are really on Firefox 4 for Windows XP, or the very same outdated Safari for an iPad).

    Anyway, without the logs, nobody can prove anything and they know it. They don't want to admit that they had a crappy old server that couldn't handle more than a few requests.

  11. ummm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No written documentation? How did they review logs (written documentation) if no logs exist?

  12. Offtopic shitpost by JThundley · · Score: 1

    Have you seen pictures of this guy? He's the Indian BABABOOEY!

  13. FCC = Fakenews Crony's Club by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is an astounding societal transformation.

  14. Uhh by easyTree · · Score: 1

    We stand by our career IT staff's analysis of the evidence in our possession

    This isn't a scenario where 'appeal to authority' is appropriate, try a verbal stratagem which dispels the appearance that you're being dishonest.

  15. That's because they're lying by JohnFen · · Score: 1

    They know they're throwing everyone under the bus in order to give a huge payday to their masters at AT&T, Comcast, etc. They're just trying desperately to keep people from realizing that.