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My Ubuntu Gripe List by damn_registrars · 2017-07-21 02:01 · Score: 2

Two things really grind my gears with the version of (K)Ubuntu (16.04.2 LTS) that I currently run:

CUPS crashes randomly. Yes, I've updated it since installing and it still crashes randomly. Yes, I've checked the logs and it logs nothing at all. My solution is to set up a cron job that runs every 10 minutes to restart it, which is tolerable but shouldn't be necessary. This problem did not exist in previous versions.
Sleeping my laptop locks a config file and prevents me from changing monitors until I move .config, .local, and .kde directories. I have not been able to find the locked file. Why is this important? Because I use a docking station at work but some times bring my work home where I use a different monitor configuration.

There are other less dramatic problems I've run into, but these are the two that eat the most of my time. Other than that Ubuntu has been a real pleasure.

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Re:My Ubuntu Gripe List by mjwx · 2017-07-21 02:25 · Score: 2

I fell of Ubuntu when they moved the X, + and - buttons over to the wrong (left hand) side of the windows.

I've switched to Linux Mint and never looked back. So...

Dearest Ubuntu,
if you want to get users back, move the buttons back to the correct side.

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Re:My Ubuntu Gripe List by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:30 · Score: 0

Try removing systemd first. Then you'll be able to search a sane log system and, as a bonus, avoid all its serious bugs.
Re:My Ubuntu Gripe List by Hognoxious · 2017-07-21 02:30 · Score: 2

Retarded though that is, isn't that in the options somewhere? I think in Gnome you can even switch the order somehow, so close is between minimise and maximise, though why anyone would want to is anybody's guess. Is it like that on Macs?
I vaguely remember accidentally setting it and thinking "this totally fucking sucks" then switching it back and nearly forgetting about it.

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Re:My Ubuntu Gripe List by damn_registrars · 2017-07-21 02:34 · Score: 1

Mine are on the right hand side with Kubuntu 16.04.2 LTS. Is it perhaps a GNOME vs KDE thing?

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Re:My Ubuntu Gripe List by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:36 · Score: 0

Amen. Kill systemd. Resuscitate it so you can kill it again. Ban Poettering from ever writing code. Preferably give him a good solid bitch-slap first. I never had this problem with openrc.
Re:My Ubuntu Gripe List by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:42 · Score: 0

Oh you mean when they started copying MacOS instead of copying Windows? Ubuntu is shit.
Re:My Ubuntu Gripe List by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:57 · Score: 0

Me too!!! (wow, glad I'm not the only one who found that tooooo annoying to tolerate)
Re:My Ubuntu Gripe List by AmiMoJo · 2017-07-21 03:51 · Score: 1

I'd like to see self-encrypting drive support. Windows has had this for years now, and it's great. SSDs that support it will accept a key from the system, and use that for encryption with 0% performance loss (they encrypt by default anyway, just with a random key they generate internally).
I think the kernel supports this now, it just needs enabling and maybe some kind of UI (because this is Ubuntu, after all).

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Re:My Ubuntu Gripe List by Nunya666 · 2017-07-21 03:57 · Score: 2

I fell of Ubuntu when they moved the X, + and - buttons over to the wrong (left hand) side of the windows.
One of the best things about Linux is also one of its downfalls: choices. If you don't like something about Linux, just change it. Select (or install) a different one, no matter what "it" is that bothers you, or you don't like the options, or you don't like the UI, or whatever. Those choices are also its downfall because new users don't know which they need, or why they would want one vs. another.

In your specific example, those buttons are controlled by an app called the Window Manager. It lets you easily change which ones appear, their location, and their color/graphic theme.
Re:My Ubuntu Gripe List by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 03:58 · Score: 1

Fukn'A, Clement at Mint should organize a "Devuan Mint" distro. The little flunky distros that are based on
Devuan floating around are pretty goddam stable and work well on my machines. Bring the heat to the
fuckwit Pottybrain and the rest of the pungent anal crinkles that think the invasion of the entire
ecosystem by a single piece of software is a good idea.
Re:My Ubuntu Gripe List by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 04:01 · Score: 0

Your right, they should have put the buttons in the middle of the window.
Re:My Ubuntu Gripe List by Dragonslicer · 2017-07-21 04:26 · Score: 1

Yes, KDE still puts minimize/maximize/close on the right end of the title bar by default. You can move individual buttons to wherever you want.
Re: My Ubuntu Gripe List by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 04:44 · Score: 0

with 0% performance loss (they encrypt by default anyway, just with a random key they generate internally).
Good God, how on Earth did you ever get that idea?
Totally wrong.
Re: My Ubuntu Gripe List by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 05:41 · Score: 0

Specify your sources.
Re:My Ubuntu Gripe List by thegarbz · 2017-07-21 05:53 · Score: 1

Sleeping my laptop locks a config file and prevents me from changing monitors until I move .config, .local, and .kde directories. I have not been able to find the locked file.

This must be a problem specific to you. Every laptop I ever tried sleeping in Ubuntu including my current one is just fine after it wakes up.... after the reboot that is needed to wake it from it's deep deeeeeeep sleep.
*sigh* I wish I had a lockfile problem.
Re:My Ubuntu Gripe List by Hognoxious · 2017-07-21 07:01 · Score: 1

Select (or install) a different one, no matter what "it" is that bothers you

Unless it happens to be the init system.

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Re: My Ubuntu Gripe List by Zero__Kelvin · 2017-07-21 10:53 · Score: 1

No. In that case you just stop complaining and pretending it matters, do as you always did and use the system which works as it always did because if the init system didn't work nobody could use the system.

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Re:My Ubuntu Gripe List by Hognoxious · 2017-07-21 21:52 · Score: 1

Or copy Android. Put them in the middle of the window and make them invisible.

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Re: My Ubuntu Gripe List by Hognoxious · 2017-07-21 21:56 · Score: 1

Right, because "working" is 0% or 100%.
Centos6: uuidd starts automatically, like I want.
Mint 18: Doesn't. But the system still boots.

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Re: My Ubuntu Gripe List by Zero__Kelvin · 2017-07-22 00:27 · Score: 1

Which is not the fault of systemd, but hey, let's blame it anyway. Dumbfuck.

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Re:My Ubuntu Gripe List by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-22 01:02 · Score: 0

> Devuan
Devuan is an ancient Italian word meaning "I'm too dumb to renew SSL certificates".
Re:My Ubuntu Gripe List by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-22 03:12 · Score: 0

> Pottybrain
Lulz. Some loser envious at a successful engineer that has written quite a bit of useful software for the Linux desktop and server?
Re:My Ubuntu Gripe List by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-22 18:22 · Score: 0

You could just do a quick install of Debian 9 onto a USB drive plugged into your laptop to see if most of your outstanding issues have already been resolved upstream. Who knows...you might even find that Debian serves your needs just fine "as is." Failing that, you might try increasing your CUPS log level to verbose or debug, if you haven't done so already. Should you find anything of interest, detailed bug reports sent to upstream package maintainers are always appreciated. -PCP
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Re:My Ubuntu Gripe List by st0nes · 2017-07-22 18:53 · Score: 1

If you don't like them on the left, you can move them back to the right very much more simply than changing distros. There are on-line lessons on how to use Google.

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Wow. by Feyshtey · 2017-07-21 02:01 · Score: 5, Funny

In other news, /. ends tradition of summaries and posts entire encyclopedia to front page.

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Re:Wow. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:27 · Score: 1

$ grep -i "removed systemd" slashdotmegasummary
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Re:Wow. by postbigbang · 2017-07-21 02:40 · Score: 1, Funny

Peas too close to your potatoes, or just having a bad morning?

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bring ifconfig back by TheGratefulNet · 2017-07-21 02:02 · Score: 2

many of us have typed 'ifconfig' for decades. its sad to see a perfectly good command go away. yes, I know I can re-add it back, but taking it away because its not 100% perfect was just stupid.

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Re:bring ifconfig back by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:22 · Score: 0

I have to say, I have managed to adapt to "ip a" pretty well. Though I do add back ifconfig too (CentOS, not Ubuntu, but the CentOS minimal install leaves out ifconfig too).

CD burning? by jandrese · 2017-07-21 02:03 · Score: 3, Interesting

Would it be possible to get a CD burner built into the file manager again by default? The people who need it the most are people without internet access, and the dependency tree for brasero makes it a hassle to install offline.

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Re:CD burning? by l20502 · 2017-07-21 02:48 · Score: 3, Informative

I suggest Xfburn, not many dependencies, runs fine on early 2000 hardware and I've never had issues with it, unlike brasero.
Re:CD burning? by TheGratefulNet · 2017-07-21 03:19 · Score: 1

you don't want brasero; you want cdrskin.
it has a better back-end engine. the other burner apps seem to have gone way backwards since they first worked, some 5+ yrs ago.

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Re:CD burning? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 04:46 · Score: 0

There are bash scripts floating around which could help you burn data or iso files into your CD/DVD.
Re:CD burning? by thegarbz · 2017-07-21 05:54 · Score: 2

What is a CD burner? ;-)
Re:CD burning? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 10:02 · Score: 0

And while you're at it, please make sure it supports UDF for burning and mounting Blu-ray images.
Re:CD burning? by fizzer06 · 2017-07-21 11:07 · Score: 1

xfburn does this
Re:CD burning? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 11:34 · Score: 0

FYI: Xfburn uses iso9660 level 2 for Blu-Ray, which means it's limited to 2^32 - 1 maximum file size. UDF supports up to 2^64 - 1.
Just now I tried copying a 7GB file into a 22.5GB BD container and got the following message:

"/path/to/vs2013.4_dskexp_ENU.iso is larger than what iso9660 level 2 allows. This can be a problem for old systems or software."
Re:CD burning? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 11:53 · Score: 0

xfburn actually uses iso9660 level 3, which allows up to 2^43 - 1 maximum file size.
That message you got was just a warning.
Re:CD burning? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 17:48 · Score: 0

Forget CD burning, I'm more pissed about how hard systemd based systems make it to format an 8 inch floppy with the standard CP/M filesystem. Modern desktop environments seem to make insane assumptions about the blocksize of filesystems such that a single block won't even fit onto the filesystem these days! How can I uninstall systemd and have a Linux system like it was in the 1980's?

f2fs filesystem support in installer by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:04 · Score: 0

Please support f2fs filesystem in the installer, I don't use mechanical disks anymore.

Thanks!

Ubuntu Spyware doesn't know this already? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:05 · Score: 0

Ubuntu is the Android of Desktop Linux: Spyware shit by some greedy cunt.

how about os? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:05 · Score: 0

os: not ubuntu

Time to update my Buzzword Bingo card by xxxJonBoyxxx · 2017-07-21 02:06 · Score: 4, Insightful

>> crowdsource input

Why can't you just say "survey"?

On second thought, why can't you just post this on some crappy survey site and point anyone who cares to it instead of dropping a wall of text here?

Re:Time to update my Buzzword Bingo card by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:15 · Score: 0

My question, how many thousands of people will scream about getting rid of systemd?
Re:Time to update my Buzzword Bingo card by thegreatbob · 2017-07-21 03:20 · Score: 2

All too many; we need people that are willing to expound upon their reasoning why. If enough people raise a significant, intelligent stink about it, it has a much better chance of getting ... resolved. To me, "eggs in one basket", the lead dev's user-hostility and apparent self-absorption, poor service start checking (fails to error out just because an old instance of the process is still running, context: debian SSH), damaged/broken logging, and, finally, the terrific bugs are all great reasons to have stayed the course with (insert something that isn't systemd).

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Re:Time to update my Buzzword Bingo card by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 08:13 · Score: 0

It's not a survey, though. It's a discussion.

GNOME replaced Unity by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:09 · Score: 0

how can I bring it back? is there a ppa ready? because if not I won't upgrade until it's available

Snap Apps?!? by r_naked · 2017-07-21 02:10 · Score: 1

I understand the need for Snap and Flatpak for closed source. It makes it much easier for say Spotify to distribute their app, but there is NO FREAKING REASON to package up open source apps that are being maintained by a distro. They are MUCH larger, and you can't theme them. WTF is Ubuntu thinking. This *has* been my distro of choice, but I guess it is time to start looking elsewhere.

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Re:Snap Apps?!? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:30 · Score: 0

This isn't quite true, very occasionally you get dependency clashes
Re:Snap Apps?!? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 05:58 · Score: 0

My problem is more about needing to install 15 libraries so as to compile some project (./configure --prefix=/opt, make, make install)
Most times there's insufficient or even no instructions about build dependencies, so that will fail anyway, but you can find about some of what you need in error messages. And so you install 5 things, possibly many more, and with situations where you don't know if you need libfoo or libfoo-dev, libfoo2 or libfoo3, or libfoo2-dev or libfoo3-dev.
After you've done, and likely failed to compile the software, you've littered the system with a half-dozen+ packages.
So, if I could download the software pre-compiled in a container, that would be useful many times. If I could install my build dependencies in a container (that I can move, delete, archive after the fact) that would be useful as well, or perhaps download a container with a build environment in it. Perhaps I can do a chroot already to install crap in there but I'm no Unix guru enough to know how to populate the chroot, or the dreaded packages that I apt-get will install in the main system anyway.

seriously by Malenx · 2017-07-21 02:11 · Score: 4, Insightful

WTF

Re:seriously by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 07:30 · Score: 1

Web Browser: Firefox
Email Client: Thunderbird
Terminal: doesn't matter
IDE: don't need one
File manager: GTK2 Nautilus
Basic Text Editor: gedit
IRC/Messaging Client: X-Chat
PDF Reader: Evince
Office Suite: LibreOffice
Calendar: don't need one
Video Player: VLC
Music Player: Audacious
Photo Viewer: default GTK2 photo viewer
Screen recording: don't need one
Re:seriously by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 07:32 · Score: 0

other requirements:
-no more than 300 Mb startup memory footprint
-Firewall
-Fast DE.
Re:seriously by Blaskowicz · 2017-07-21 13:11 · Score: 1

GTK2 Nautilus is included in RHEL 6 :)
Otherwise, in MATE desktop it has moved to GTK3 and so it's GTK3 Caja rather than GTK2 Nautilus yet it's really really close. It's maintained plus a handful features such as closing tabs with middle click. GTK2 applications ported to GTK3 but keeping the UI traditional are a minimal disruption.

Autoremove old kernels from /boot by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · 2017-07-21 02:13 · Score: 2, Funny

Because fallback kernels are for pussies, right?

Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by tbannist · 2017-07-21 02:24 · Score: 4, Funny

Do you really need to have 16 fallback kernels?

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Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:27 · Score: 0

High-larious -- nope, just do cleanup so that the /boot volume doesn't fill up with the last 20 kernels.
I'm very happy to have Ubuntu installed on my machine at home, so that I need only do minimal DevOps stuff at home. My /boot filled up recently, and I found that I had a pile of old kernel versions. An apt-get purge solved things, but this feature would be very handy.
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Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Lonewolf666 · 2017-07-21 02:27 · Score: 1

I don't entirely disagree, but please make autoremoval of old kernels opt-in. Or maybe an option you have to explicitly choose after installing a new kernel (although that would not be quite "auto" anymore ;)

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Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:29 · Score: 0

Very much this. If you're installing an update, your current system must work. So just keep that around while you try out the new one.
Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Gavagai80 · 2017-07-21 02:30 · Score: 2

I can see the value to keeping one fallback kernel. I can't see the value to keeping a half dozen of them.

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Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:41 · Score: 1

Exactly, the problem is when you can't install the latest security patch because /boot suddenly ran out of space because you have kernels in there nobody touched in 3 years. And the error messages don't even tell you the problem in a comprehensible manner!
Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:46 · Score: 0

I don't entirely disagree, but please make autoremoval of old kernels opt-in.
because the default behavior of filling /boot and causing updates to fail is really the better option, so much more intuitive than just continuing to function
Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by s.petry · 2017-07-21 02:51 · Score: 1

Because removing them is rocket surgery?

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Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Lonewolf666 · 2017-07-21 02:59 · Score: 1

Until a new kernel is broken for your specific hardware configuration, and you don't have a working fallback.
We could discuss various compromises like "keep the last three versions" but my point is that breaking your system is worse than an update not going through.
And if an update fails to install because the disk is full, I hope there is an easily understood error message about it, so the user can fix it without a degree in CS. But that is a slightly different topic.

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Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 03:00 · Score: 1

I'd prefer, at most 3 versions of the kernel and its image available, including the current running kernel.
Thank you.
Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Kjella · 2017-07-21 03:25 · Score: 1

Do you really need to have 16 fallback kernels?
I agree, you need one - the version you launched the update from because you know that one boots and can access the repositories. If it breaks something else, you can always manually reinstall and pin the older kernel.

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Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 03:48 · Score: 0

We could discuss various compromises like "keep the last three versions"

how is this a "compromise"? this is "fixing a bug"
you don't know what the word "compromise" means

breaking your system is worse than an update not going through
false dichotomy, both situations are due to bugs, which can be fixed

I hope there is an easily understood error message about it
so you really don't have any actual experience with what is being discussed here
Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by cellocgw · 2017-07-21 04:21 · Score: 3, Funny

Do you really need to have 16 fallback kernels?
64k[ernels] should be enough for anyone.
Ahhhh, c'mon: you knew someone was going to go there.

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Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 04:55 · Score: 0

Isn't Ubuntu the distro for muggles?
Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by thegarbz · 2017-07-21 05:55 · Score: 1

There are many Ubuntu installations out there that are running kernels that are several versions old with intermediate versions that never got booted into being kept perpetually.
It doesn't make sense by default to keep anything more than the most recently installed + the current working one.
Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 05:58 · Score: 0

Because removing them is rocket surgery?
Nope, if you know the commands to do it.
This used to be especially bad since the Ubuntu installer created a 256 MB /boot if you enabled disk encryption. I think it's up to 512 MB in a recent release but it still fills up pretty fast.
Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Blaskowicz · 2017-07-21 06:03 · Score: 1

Related is the problem of the / partition filling because of the APT cache. You have to go delete the cache yourself. More funny if your / partition contains /home as well and there are zero bytes left (more likely than not if you installed on a 20GB or 30GB drive and tried to do the right thing by not partitioning excessively)
Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by johannesg · 2017-07-21 06:44 · Score: 1

And the error messages don't even tell you the problem in a comprehensible manner!
Is there even _one thing_ in Linux that fails with a comprehensible error message? Because I have yet to see one...
Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 07:50 · Score: 0

I don't run the latest kernel because for some reason my graphics display stops working and thus I can't see the desktop. An auto-remove feature would mean I'd never see my desktop again. I keep installing the latest kernel in case they've finally fixed the issue, but it hasn't happened yet.
All they need to do is provide an option during the upgrade to select which kernels to install or keep. Simple and works for all use cases. Auto-remove is a disaster waiting to happen for everyone and a present disaster for some.
Another use case is a driver or kernel developer working on multiple versions.
If they want to make 'smart' software, then they should check the disk space before installing anything to ensure there's enough room to install it. Seriously, we should be far beyond simple sanity checks by now but most software doesn't bother. How about we improve software quality before adding features which will break existing user's machines?
Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Hognoxious · 2017-07-21 09:19 · Score: 1

The previous one and the one before that. Just in case.

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Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 09:58 · Score: 0

Problem is that when the update fails because /boot is full there is a good chance that the system is broken and will not reboot.
Re: Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Zero__Kelvin · 2017-07-21 11:23 · Score: 1

apt-cache clean all

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Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 13:41 · Score: 0

I feel the need to mention Mint's update manager. You do need to figure out there's a menu item about kernels still, then get past a warning window (90% of linux mint is just taste in warning messages, update policy, choice of icon theme and gtk theme. also giving you as "quicklaunch" shortcuts file manager, terminal and browser)
It's a GUI way to manage your kernel, even tells you the recommended ones, has branches : 4.4, 4.8 and 4.10 (in Mint 17 i.e. ubuntu 14.04 the 4.4 kernel was "experimental" and could break your system)
It's slow : triggers something with terminal output, always remakes your grub and initrd at the end (this might be actually fast if you have a 6700K and a PCIe SSD, who knows). But besides doing this when you update or delete kernel, it's a GUI for kernels and can't be faulted.
There's also a CLI program called mintupdate-tool, I didn't try it (I decided that in fact, I don't need to update from 18.1 to 18.2)
Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Trogre · 2017-07-21 16:26 · Score: 1

Are they asking about whether to include an installonly_limit=n parameter, that automatically removes kernels from the nth-oldest back, like YUM and DNF have had for years?

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Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by TheOuterLinux · 2017-07-21 23:56 · Score: 1

The problem is that you can go to http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kern... and download the latest kernel for Ubuntu but may cause problems so you would want to have a working kernel to fall back on.
Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-23 15:10 · Score: 0

Agreed, keep _at least_ one (or have the ability to turn auto delete off).
Had an update fail on my laptop just the other day, rebooted and the new kernel was borked. Thankfully an old kernel was available to boot into and fix it. Quick, easy fallback option.
Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-23 19:12 · Score: 0

Doesn't this exist already? I am still on 14.04 and apt asks me every so often if it should remove some old kernels.
If the current one runs fine I then type "apt-get autoremove" and off they go.
Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-24 02:18 · Score: 0

Really the issue is that by default they only allocate like 500MB for /boot, then it gets full and you can't update your kernel automatically any more.
Re:Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-24 19:30 · Score: 0

this. in the last ten years i head to move a monitor to my headless home server to fix a filled up boot. i have now removed the /boot/ partition to stop this shit from happening.
also: get rid of systemd.

Thanks For Asking by Tenebrousedge · 2017-07-21 02:15 · Score: 3, Insightful

Thanks for doing this, and thanks for doing this in this way. I appreciate especially the idea that this place has any currency :)

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Flavor by puddingebola · 2017-07-21 02:16 · Score: 1

Spearmint flavor. Also, although it's adware, Foxit Reader for PDF.

Ubuntu... meh... by __aaclcg7560 · 2017-07-21 02:17 · Score: 1

I haven't used Ubuntu since the days when automatically upgrading the Nvidia video driver FUBAR the entire installation. I got tired of reinstalling the OS for my file server every month and eventually switched to FreeNAS. That was years ago. These days I use Red Hat Linux on the terminal server to my Cisco rack and Linux Mint on my vintage 2006 Black MacBook.

Re:Ubuntu... meh... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:33 · Score: 0

guess all that bragging makes u a l33t lunix haxxor. were not worthy lol.
Re:Ubuntu... meh... by omnichad · 2017-07-21 02:47 · Score: 1

Why did you need to update video drivers on a file server? Just switch to a basic video driver, don't run X, and don't connect a screen.
Re:Ubuntu... meh... by __aaclcg7560 · 2017-07-21 02:58 · Score: 1

guess all that bragging makes u a l33t lunix haxxor.
I've been using Linux since 1997. Back in the day where just about everything didn't work out of the box, you had to roll your own kernels, and cross your fingers that everything worked well enough without taking your RAID5 with it. Now get off my lawn!
Re:Ubuntu... meh... by __aaclcg7560 · 2017-07-21 03:07 · Score: 1

Why did you need to update video drivers on a file server? Just switch to a basic video driver, don't run X, and don't connect a screen.
My file server was also doing double duty to teach me the Linux desktop (I'm CLI guy at heart), and the basic video from the motherboard was slow as molasses. Switching over to FreeNAS and using the web interface made Nvidia video card redundant.
Re:Ubuntu... meh... by 0ld_d0g · 2017-07-21 03:58 · Score: 1

I've been using it since Slackware .9x. It really wasn't THAT difficult to setup. Primarily because you didn't have fancy video cards/wifi/weird chipsets and you (I) didn't care about it working on laptops.
Re:Ubuntu... meh... by ls671 · 2017-07-21 05:46 · Score: 1

Then, just run VNC server and connect to the desktop with any VNC client duh! No video card specific driver needed!
It also allows you to connect to the desktop from anywhere you wish to, I have been doing this for 15 years+
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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survey response by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:20 · Score: 0

Web Browser: firefox
Email Client: ???
Terminal: LXTerminal
IDE: emacs
File manager: PCManFM
Basic Text Editor: emacs
IRC/Messaging Client: pidgin
PDF Reader: evince
Office Suite: libreoffice
Calendar: ???
Video Player: mplayer
Music Player: banshee
Photo Viewer: ???
Screen recording: ???

Re:survey response by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:27 · Score: 5, Funny

Web Browser: emacs
Email Client: emacs
Terminal: emacs
IDE: emacs
File manager: emacs
Basic Text Editor: vim
IRC/Messaging Client: emacs
PDF Reader: emacs
Office Suite: emacs
Calendar: emacs
Video Player: emacs
Music Player: emacs
Photo Viewer: emacs
Screen recording: emacs
Re:survey response by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:42 · Score: 0

Web Browser: Firefox, Chromium
Email Client: Thunderbird, Gmail web
Terminal: Gnome Terminal
IDE: NetBeans (Downloaded directly from NetBeans web site, the Ubuntu package is unusable)
File manager: Files
Basic Text Editor: Vi, gVim
IRC/Messaging Client: Slack web
PDF Reader: Document Viewer
Office Suite: LibreOffice
Calendar: Google Calendar web
Video Player: Totem video
Music Player: Clementine (I stopped using Banshee and Rhythmbox because they crash frequently)
Photo Viewer: Image viewer
Screen recording: N/A
Video conferencing: Zoom non-free
Re:survey response by thegreatbob · 2017-07-21 03:22 · Score: 1

Sorry I've got no mod points xD

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Re:survey response by SurenEnfiajyan · 2017-07-21 04:25 · Score: 0

Maybe systemd?
Re:survey response by fph+il+quozientatore · 2017-07-21 04:36 · Score: 1

Well I wouldn't call Emacs a "basic text editor", would I?

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Re:survey response by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 07:52 · Score: 0

Emacs doesn't have a graphical editor for Basic, so you can consider it a Basic text editor.
Re:survey response by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 18:00 · Score: 0

Forget photo viewers. I want to know why Ubuntu has removed The GIMP from the Software Manager selection. Is it out of political correctness or something, as there clearly isn't any alternative on offer? There are photo viewers with red-eye removal and other toy photo manipulation features, Blender as a full blown animation package, and Inkscape for vector graphics but nothing for drawing and manipulating bitmap images (unless you count Tuxpaint).
Re:survey response by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-24 17:05 · Score: 0

Web Browser: chromium
Email Client: thunderbird
Terminal: gnome-terminal
IDE: atom
File manager: nautilus
Basic Text Editor: gedit
PDF Reader: evince
Office Suite: LibreOffice
Video Player: vlc
Music Player: vlc
Screen recording: RecordMyDesktop
Re:Survey response by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 01:07 · Score: 0

Oh, and I'd like to add:
Torrent Client: qBittorrent — easily the best GUI client for Ubuntu 16.04, in my experience. Last I checked, Transmission on 16.04 was buggy and would not properly resume torrents. qBittorrent is the most featured client I've tested and was very recently patched to support categories and tags (pull request).
Re:survey response by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 21:47 · Score: 0

Web Browser: Firefox, Chromium with Signal Messenger
Email Client: Thunderbird
Terminal: Tilix
IDE: no preference
File manager: Nemo, mc
Basic Text Editor: gedit
IRC/Messaging Client: Pidgin, Signal Messenger
PDF Reader: no preference
Office Suite: LibreOffice
Calendar: Lightning in Thunderbird
Video Player: no preference
Music Player: no preference
Photo Viewer: no preference
Screen recording: no preference
SyncTools: sshfs, FreeFileSync (not sure but I think "non-free"), OwnCloud/NextCloud-Client
Music Tool: FreAC
Disc Tool: GParted
Softwareadministration: Synaptic

Request for Ubuntu 18 by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:21 · Score: 4, Insightful

Remove systemd

Re:Request for Ubuntu 18 by GlennC · 2017-07-21 03:29 · Score: 1

Seconded!
I would mod this up, but I'm out of points.

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Re:Request for Ubuntu 18 by wonkavader · 2017-07-21 04:10 · Score: 1

Agreed. Systemd is making me look at other distros and consider dumping Ubuntu, which I otherwise like.
Re:Request for Ubuntu 18 by Foresto · 2017-07-21 10:41 · Score: 1

Underrated comment.
Re:Request for Ubuntu 18 by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 12:09 · Score: 0

systemd requires you to use the snappy retort, "secondd!" instead. The linked list of dependencies and upstream changes has finally entered the realm of the English language too.
Re:Request for Ubuntu 18 by TheOuterLinux · 2017-07-21 23:57 · Score: 1

I would kill to have a systemd-free version of Xubuntu.

Time to remove systemd by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:21 · Score: 0

Just remove systemd. All the rest can stay.

In & out by gti_guy · 2017-07-21 02:22 · Score: 5, Insightful

In with MATE and out the systemd, Otherwise all my new boxes get Devuan!

Re:In & out by thegreatbob · 2017-07-21 03:24 · Score: 3, Informative

Second; this is basically what it would take to get me recommending Ubuntu in addition to Mint for average users. Remember, the techie crowd is largely the bunch that winds up fixing stuff for family/friends using it, so making it less hostile to the grey-beards would be nice.

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Re:In & out by carnivore302 · 2017-07-21 03:39 · Score: 1

absolutely

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Re:In & out by AmiMoJo · 2017-07-21 03:46 · Score: 1

Sub 5 second boot times though. Some of us like to turn stuff off when we are not using it.

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Re:In & out by corychristison · 2017-07-21 05:26 · Score: 1

I use OpenRC on Funtoo Linux. I get very fast boot times since moving to SSDs. I've never actually timed it, but definitely in the 5 second range from POST to login screen.
But I also remove services if I don't need them, unlike the majority of Ubuntu users that have no idea how to do that.
Re:In & out by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 05:35 · Score: 0

Why MATE? Use Cinnamon. [In Nacho's voice] 'It's the besssst!'
Re:In & out by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 05:55 · Score: 0

Ummm... that's what Suspend, Standby, or Hibernate are for. Even on my tower, yes.
You honestly shut down your system, ALL THE TIME?!?!?
Re:In & out by Hognoxious · 2017-07-21 07:19 · Score: 1

Hibernate it then, you SJW weeabo.

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Re:In & out by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 07:33 · Score: 0

I use OpenRC on Funtoo Linux. I get very fast boot times since moving to SSDs. I've never actually timed it, but definitely in the 5 second range from POST to login screen.
But I also remove services if I don't need them, unlike the majority of Ubuntu users that have no idea how to do that.
lol the majority of Ubuntu users use ubuntu server on a VM, buy a huge huge huge margin. Seriously, ubuntu is the most popular server operating system. Those admins no so much more about "removing services" than you can even imagine.
Re:In & out by AmiMoJo · 2017-07-21 08:35 · Score: 1

That was randomly hostile.
It must mean something when you get personalised trolling on Slashdot though.

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Re:In & out by Thelasko · 2017-07-21 09:24 · Score: 1

It means the mod system is messed up. There used to be a time where that sort of thing defaulted to level zero. Now these types of comments default at level 2.

As POTUS would say, so sad.

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Re:In & out by Misagon · 2017-07-21 10:11 · Score: 1

I already use Ubuntu Mate, but the GTK+ 3.0 widgets that it uses are still written by GNOME developers and there is a lot of GNOME 3 stupidity still left in them.
There have been lots of problems with GNOME/GTK+ 3 developers being too full of themselves and for instance broken the binary compatibility minor revision changes, but I expect GTK+ 3 to be relatively stable now that GTK+ 4 has started.
Scrollbars and sliders behave in a special GNOME 3 way different from other major OS or toolkit.
For instance, if you move it slow enough it goes into a "high precision" mode where you have to move the mouse more to make the slider move. It was touted as a feature, but for most users, this appears as if the slider just has a hick-up and refuses to move.
There is no option to disable this behaviour. The volume control especially is very annoying.
Also, don't want smooth scrolling which feels like sliding on ice? There is no option to disable that either.
If the GTK/GNOME 3 developers had any reason and humility, they should not have changed the default behaviour of these widgets in the first place. Default should have been the old one, only with additional behaviour being optional.

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Re:In & out by chihowa · 2017-07-21 13:17 · Score: 1

If you like fast startup but you like not wasting electricity, I suggest you look into putting your system into suspend or hibernate mode. I haven't seen the grub prompt on my desktop or servers for a while and even my laptop has an uptime measured in weeks. Who cares how fast it can startup services?!
(On the other hand, since using systemd on one of my systems, I've had to reboot that machine way more than I ever had to before. It reminds me of Windows now. I can see why fast boot times are an important feature of systemd!)

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Re:In & out by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-22 01:11 · Score: 0

Is Devuan is distribution? I though it was Italian for "I'm a veteran hobby admin and too dumb to renew SSL certificates"?
Re:In & out by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-22 09:32 · Score: 0

That was randomly hostile.
It must mean something when you get personalised trolling on Slashdot though.
Personalized? But you aren't a "weeaboo SJW".
That term itself is a contradiction. A weeaboo loves anime and manga, the stuff filled with sexist tropes against women (have you not seen Anita's video series on tropes vs women in video games? Nintendo games like Mario and Zelda basically gave her half her material)
The rest of Japanese culture ain't that great towards women either.
If you are a weeaboo, or even just a Japanophile, you can't be an SJW.
Re:In & out by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-24 09:18 · Score: 0

Those admins no so much more about "removing services" than you can even imagine.
For example, they *know* how to fucking spell.

What I want to see in Ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:22 · Score: 0

I want to see it go away. Seriously. Ubuntu and Canonical.

My response to the survey: by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:26 · Score: 0

Web Browser: Lynx
Email Client: GMail
Terminal: DOS
IDE: C++
File manager: Internet Explorer
Basic Text Editor: Notepad
IRC/Messaging Client: mIRC
PDF Reader: Adobe Acrobat
Office Suite: Microsoft Office
Calendar: Microsoft Outlook
Video Player: Xbox One S
Music Player: foobar2000
Photo Viewer: Windows Paint
Screen recording: Sub7 Trojan Horse

VLC 3.0 by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:26 · Score: 0

It would be nice to have something to play back 360 degree video outside of a web browser. VLC 3.0 (approaching release but not released yet) is the only candidate I know of.

Ok, I will just reply by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:28 · Score: 0

Web Browser: Chrome(Default), Firefox, Chromium
Email Client: - Gmail Web Client
Terminal: Terminator
IDE: Jetbrains, Android Studio, Vim-gtk3
File manager:
Basic Text Editor: Gedit,
IRC/Messaging Client: Whatsapp, Facebook Messenger, Hangouts
PDF Reader: Zathura, Evince
Office Suite: Libreoffice
Calendar: Google Calc
Video Player: smplayer, VLC
Music Player: Google Play Music, Spotify
Photo Viewer: -
Screen recording: Anything is fine, it should work

Re:Ok, I will just reply by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 06:00 · Score: 0

Chrome is non-free so probably a no-go there.

ubuntu died when it moved to systemd by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:31 · Score: 0

Ubuntu pretty much died as a distro when it moved to systemd.

Chromium by bluefoxlucid · 2017-07-21 02:31 · Score: 1

Web browser - Chromium. Not Chrome; I've been using open-source Chromium, and it logs into Google and acts like Chrome just fine.

Real GNOME, not that Mate/Cinnamon bullshit.

Evolution is no longer the horrible horse shit it used to be. E-mail, calendar, and the lot go fine in Evo. Just make sure you get the latest versions of the plug-ins for things like Google Calendar and any Office 365 integration (Outlook365) available; Google Calendar broke for multiple releases in Ubuntu! Likewise, Evo kept breaking with the Gnome Online Accounts agent, requiring restarts of the goa-daemon and Evolution; there was a patch for that (Fedora got it, Ubuntu didn't until the next release).

If we're going Gnome, do Gnome-terminal, gedit, and the lot. Honestly, though, I'd like to split the desktop installs. Gnome-shell, MATE, XFCE, whatever, bring along their own application suites; this is dumb. Maybe I don't want Gedit, Gnome-terminal, and the lot; maybe I want the minimal functional Gnome-Shell, and then the XFCE suite. I quite like Mousepad over Gedit. There should be a gnome-desktop-environment and a gnome-desktop-suite, and maybe I install gnome-desktop-environment with xfce-desktop-suite.

Don't know what to say about office. LibreOffice is a horrible piece of shit and there's no real alternative.

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Re:Chromium by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:39 · Score: 0

Dude, don't go harshing on Cinnamon. It's clean and (unlike Gnome) actually configurable by the user.
Having said that, it needs more community support for bug polishing (especially looking at you Nemo, you right-click-crash-infested pos).
Re:Chromium by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 21:18 · Score: 0

I think it needs wayland, or I need to upgrade to a quad core CPU such as a used one for my platform that I'll underclock.

Thanx for asking! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:33 · Score: 0

Awesome - thanx for asking us!

Not in your list but worth mention:
Drawing/Graphics: Inkscape, Gimp, Blender
Finance: GnuCash
Genealogy: Gramps
Video Conferencing: HP MyRoom (free)
Network tools: nmap, wireshark, *ping's, socat, slocat, netcat, etc etc
VM Hosting: Virtualbox

The rest are pretty much stock/defaults:
Web Browser: Chrome, FF
Email Client: Thunderbird + Lightning
Terminal: mate terminal (gnome terminal), sometimes xterm
IDE: vi
File manager: caja / nautilus
Basic Text Editor: pluma or atom
IRC/Messaging Client: don't use
PDF Reader: atril
Office Suite: LibreOffice: Calc & Writer good, Impress sux
Calendar: lightning, but its not so good imho
Video Player: vlc
Music Player: rhythmbox
Photo Viewer: shotwell
Screen recording: don't use much

BTW thanx for MATE and bringing back Gnome.
Yeah - a rather boring list but heck, it does the job well.

My linux system in Mint ever since Ubuntu moved to by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:40 · Score: 0

If I were to move back to Ubuntu it would be because support was there
I have multiple systems
Flavor Desktop , server
Browser : Chromium Based : Iron, Opera, and of course Google Chrome on occasion
Mozilla Based : Firefox, Pale Moon,
IDE : C/C++ Code Blocks Python ERIC
File Manager : is plain Vanilla Nemo, TABS are the bomb
Text Editing : NotePad qq
Office Suite Libre Office
PDF, EPUB : Plain Vanilla X Reader
Screen Recording, never used
music player : VLC
Video Player : X Player works
Photo Viewer : Plain Vanilla
Photo Editing GIMP

Suggestions for programmer IDE? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:41 · Score: 0

I started with command line gcc, went to kdevelop, but it broke often and needed fixing. Now I'm with anjuta, which works well for my simple programs. I would be willing to try something else if there are some good suggestions. I program mostly in C, but I do PHP with a text editor. Should I admit that I like Gambas?

Can someone please submit this? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:42 · Score: 0

I'm just an AC. Thank you!
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If you're not familiar with her, she has two channels on YouTube:

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I don't use Ubuntu directly... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:43 · Score: 0

I used Ubuntu years ago (8.4-10.4) now I use a derivative, Linux Mint, which has its own set of installed applications. Anyway, the question was about preferred appLICATIONs in a linux environment.
Web Browser: Pale Moon, SeaMonkey
Email Client: SeaMonkey
Terminal: xfce4-terminal, mate-terminal, uxterm
IDE: geany
File manager: thunar, caja
Basic Text Editor: vim, mousepad, pluma, gedit
IRC/Messaging Client: ???
PDF Reader: xreader
Office Suite: libreoffice
Calendar: ???
Video Player: smplayer, vlc
Music Player: smplayer, vlc
Photo Viewer: ???
Screen recording: ???

I don't use all of the categories. The terminal/file manager is whatever comes with desktop environment, not really that important to me. Same with PDF reader, I just use what came by default. For PDF Editor (not reader), on the other hand, I use Master PDF Editor. Other categories...
Image Editor: gimp
Audio recording, editing: audacity
Sheet Music editing: musescore
E-book reader: calibre
Virtual Machines: virtualbox, genymotion (for android)
Video transcoder: handbrake
Disc burner: k3b
Video recorder: dvgrab (none of the GUI programs seem to work correctly with my firewire camcorder)
Video editor: kino
Finance manager: kmymoney
Remote desktop: remmina
Scanner: xsane

My Response by Thelasko · 2017-07-21 02:43 · Score: 1

Web Browser: Firefox or Chromium

Email Client: Thunderbird

File manager: Nautilus

Basic Text Editor: Gedit

IRC/Messaging Client: I haven't used one in years. Pidgin was the last one

PDF Reader: Evince

Office Suite: Libre Office

Calendar: Lightning

Video Player: VLC

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Just make fucking vino-server work by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:44 · Score: 0

I'm sick and tired of having to jump through hoops just to fucking vnc into my fucking box. It's infuriating, and there is no rhyme or reason for it. The vino-preferences utility does nothing half the time... the server will stay running when I uncheck the enable box, or it won't start when I check it. Then, when I can connect, I just get a black screen. Or, I have compatibility issues with VNC clients on security.

JUST MAKE IT FUCKING WORK ALREADY.

The only thing I want is a fixed Radeon driver. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:44 · Score: 0

I have a 7870 LE. I just want a driver that works, it doesn't even have to be out of the box, if it's functional, and relatively straightforward to install.

Re:The only thing I want is a fixed Radeon driver. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-22 08:19 · Score: 0

That's a major hiccup in driver support : GCN 1.0 Radeon got a "when it's done" promise regarding support by the amdgpu driver.
"Straight" Radeon 7850 and 7870 were good GPUs with the best performance/watt from AMD for a while ; I'd rather want something lower power and that's Radeon 7750 or R7 240.
There's this about installing/forcing amdgpu on older cards (yours is Tahiti likely. you need linux 4.9 and up with support toggled in the kernel...)
https://wiki.archlinux.org/ind...
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/A...
Not really great. But perhaps it will be more ready, or decent enouh in 18.04. The good news is you don't have to worry about "amdgpu-pro" which is sort of a binary blob that plugs onto the open source driver : its goal is more to be a known quantity for CAD packages, etc. rather than be the only good option for games and generic use.

A few things by John+Allsup · 2017-07-21 02:48 · Score: 1

Do less, but more reliably. Let spins like ubuntustudio or kubuntu add the packages. Have metapackages corresponding to them on the installer, with a simple choice (think of the chooser in Noobs), with some spins requiring a network connection. Have an install tab creator which lets you easily choose defaults.

Then have a very minimal default desktop and an easy way to choose bundles. Put GNOME and LXDE on the standard I so, use GNOME as the default choice. Put Firefox and chromium on as browsers by default. I generally have Firefox as default.

Those are my thoughts. For now I use ubuntustudio with a script and a tar of my usual convenience scripts (so install from iso, copy script and tarball over, run script as root, leave to simmer for 30 minutes, or until well cooked). I do have a big pile of cheap laptops, and the creative, writing and python stuff are what I want out of the box.

I've started exploring debootstrap. Being able to image a drive you can then stick in a machine is something I'd love.

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An Example by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:50 · Score: 0

Web Browser: Chromium-browser
Email Client: Gmail web
IDE: IntelliJ IDEA
Basic Text Editor: Atom
Office Suite: Google Docs web
Calendar: Google Calendar web
Video Player: SMPlayer
Music Player: Clementinehttps://news.slashdot.org/story/17/07/21/1258245/ask-slashdot-ubuntu-1804-lts-desktop-default-application-survey#

A DVD and Bluray viewer by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:50 · Score: 0

The software exists, some of it is even proprietary so you can go the "legal" route. OTOH, TAILS Linux has added playback of encrypted DVDs. Not that I'm suggesting anything here...

Drop GNOME3 and go with Mate or Cinnamon instead by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:52 · Score: 4, Insightful

Gnome 3 is a joke made by self-appointed user experts who have no eye for how a user interface should wok. Gnome 3 is the same junk like Unity and Windows 8 where they tried to shove a tablet interface onto desktop users that like to use a real mouse and keyboard and do not have a touch screen.

I say drop the horrible Gnome 3 and use Mate or Cinnamon instead.

By the way, ever since Gnome 3 / Unity because the standard on many distros, I no longer felt the inclination to use Linux anymore. I felt that Ubuntu, Fedora, and others have abandoned their existing user base. And they do not care what their users think either.

Microsoft realized they made a mistake with Windows 8.0/8.1 and came out with Windows 10.

I wish the Gnome 3 developers would be enlightened too...

Basic Text Editor: ??? by Albanach · 2017-07-21 02:55 · Score: 5, Funny

Basic Text Editor: ???

I'm glad someone is finally asking this question. It's a debate that's long overdue in the *nix community and I can't wait to hear a decisive answer to a question that's bothered me for years.

Re:Basic Text Editor: ??? by xxxJonBoyxxx · 2017-07-21 02:59 · Score: 2

>> Text Editor...a debate that's long overdue in the *nix community

Winner: most subtle troll on the board today.
Re:Basic Text Editor: ??? by puddingebola · 2017-07-21 04:14 · Score: 1

Pointless really. Microsoft established Notepad as the dominant standard in this niche and open source gurus are just fooling themselves with their babbling.
Re:Basic Text Editor: ??? by jeremyp · 2017-07-21 04:49 · Score: 1

Well if you want a text editor that is basic, ed, is probably the one. The only practical choice for a text editor - vi(m) - is pretty sophisticated.
There's one other text editor whose name escapes me, but the only way they could make it usable was to write a Lisp extension that makes it behave like vi.

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Re:Basic Text Editor: ??? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 05:07 · Score: 0

Do you have a link to a current .deb, or at least a tarball?
Re:Basic Text Editor: ??? by corychristison · 2017-07-21 05:32 · Score: 1

I understand this is meant to be funny, but I fall in the nano camp. vi/vim and emacs be damned.

Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:55 · Score: 2, Interesting

My computer has one Ethernet port. In pre-systemd versions of Ubuntu, it would show up in ifconfig as "eth0". That makes perfect sense to me. "Eth" appears to be short for "Ethernet", and the "0" indicates it's the first of possibly many Ethernet ports.

Then I upgraded to Ubuntu 16.04, which as I understand it uses systemd. For some reason, ifconfig started showing the one and only Ethernet port on my system as something like "enp0s19". Where the fuck does that come from?! I have one Ethernet port. So why the fuck is it mentioning a number close to 20?!

Of course, things went down hill after that. I ran into so many problems with systemd breaking in weird and unexpected ways. I spent more time on my phone trying to search for ways to fix systemd problems than I ever spent actually using that Linux installation.

After a couple of days I gave up. I installed FreeBSD, and I haven't looked back. It gives me all of the benefits of Ubuntu, but without the downsides. My Ethernet port now shows up in ifconfig as the very reasonable "em0".

I don't care what Ubuntu does to their distro at this point. I don't think I will ever be able to switch back to Linux as long as systemd is still being used.

Re: Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 03:31 · Score: 1

There are Linux distros that don't use systemd by default. You do know that, right? If you didn't know that, looking it up would have been much faster than migrating to a new operating system.
Re: Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 03:51 · Score: 0

There are Linux distros that don't use systemd by default.
And they're even shittier than the ones that do use systemd by default!
Slackware? I don't want to use a 1990s-era Linux distro. Just because I don't want systemd it doesn't mean I want to spend a week manually configuring each Linux installation I have.
Gentoo? I don't want to wait a week for an installation to compile, sending my power bill through the roof to the point where it would have been cheaper to buy a Windows license.
Devuan? LOL! If I had to describe its amateurish community in one word, it would be "manchildren".
All I want is what Debian and even Ubuntu were up until a few years ago: modern Linux distros with a sensible non-systemd init system that works reliably.
Archaic Linux distros aren't suitable. Niche Linux distros aren't suitable. Amateurish Linux distros aren't suitable.
That's why the only option left is to ditch Linux completely. Some choose the BSDs. Some choose macOS. Some even choose Windows.
Your suggestion is fucking useless, and not an option.
Re:Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by jabuzz · 2017-07-21 03:59 · Score: 1, Insightful

open up your machine, and add a second nic. Now you find your new nic is eth0 and your old one is eth1, and everything is potentially broken.
I didn't think the enp0s19 was a systemd thing, rather something to do with udev and consistent device naming when the hardware changes.
Re:Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by GoingDown · 2017-07-21 04:21 · Score: 5, Informative

Network interface naming has nothing to do with systemd. Reason why your ethernet adapter was suddently named as enp0s19 is because of this: "udev supports a number of different naming schemes. The default is to assign fixed names based on firmware, topology, and location information. This has the advantage that the names are fully automatic, fully predictable, that they stay fixed even if hardware is added or removed".
https://access.redhat.com/docu...
Re:Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by jeremyp · 2017-07-21 04:33 · Score: 2, Insightful

Isn't udev now part of systemd?

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Re: Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 04:49 · Score: 0

Then I upgraded to Ubuntu 16.04, which as I understand it uses systemd. For some reason, ifconfig started showing the one and only Ethernet port on my system as something like "enp0s19". Where the fuck does that come from?!

It didn't come from systemd. The kernel and udev gave us this. And it is a tremendously useful feature, even if it you don't happen to use it, delicate snowflake.
Re: Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 05:10 · Score: 0

Wants modern Linux but idealizes years out of date Debian/Ubuntu
Doesn't want archaic/niche Linux, but goes to *BSD.
Doesn't want amatuerish Linux but doesn't contribute to Linux in any way.
Seriously, make up your mind about what you want.
Re:Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 05:35 · Score: 0

I think I had it the other way around in older debian and ubuntu : on an old PC, add a network card with bootrom for installation (PXE, so no need to buy taxed CD-R/DVD-R or smuggle them from abroad)
Remove the additional network card after installation then use the built-in one or the PCI one that doesn't have a bootrom - I think what I did there was to remove the network card with bootrom and put the bootrom-less one in place.
What happened is udev rules were generated so that eth0 is the network card with bootrom and eth1 is the network card without bootrom, so after rebooting with the different nic, eth0 doesn't exist, eth1 is the card I wanted as eth0, and networking doesn't work. I might configure eth1 perhaps, but the "simple" solution I opted for is to delete the udev rules related to networking so that the eth1 card can "jump" to eth0.
My problem was that contrary to your suggestion, the network cards didn't jump randomly between eth0 and eth1. It remembered them, in /etc/udev/rules.d
Re:Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by danomac · 2017-07-21 05:36 · Score: 2

open up your machine, and add a second nic. Now you find your new nic is eth0 and your old one is eth1, and everything is potentially broken.
I've never had that happen before udev decided to give really stupid names to ethernet ports. You know why? udev was smart enough to remember what mac address tied to what port. I had eth0, installed a card with two ports on it, and they became eth1 and eth2. Persistent rules are a thing in udev. Or was? I have a machine that will rename its ethernet port from the enp0s19 to enp0s116666777 or something stupid once in a while on reboot breaking all sorts of things. I had to turn that "persistent network names" off (tip: net.ifnames=0 on kernel parameter line) so it wouldn't occasionally screw up my networking on reboot. So much for predictable network names...
Re:Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by fisted · 2017-07-21 05:46 · Score: 1

names are [...] fully predictable
Yeah this goes under the name "predictable network interface names", however, it doesn't mean predictable for humans. It's predictable to a machine having all available information (and note that things like "what PCI slot does the NIC sit in" may play into this -- it's this retarded.)

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Re:Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by afranke · 2017-07-21 06:19 · Score: 1

https://www.freedesktop.org/wi...
Re:Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by johannesg · 2017-07-21 06:34 · Score: 1

I'd just like to point out that your reaction is actually very similar to what happens when a Windows user decides to try this Linux thing. Those people are usually told to RTFM (for many this is also the point where they learn a life-long hatred of all things UNIX). I don't know, maybe the same advice could work for you?
Re:Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by PincushionMan · 2017-07-21 08:00 · Score: 1

My Ethernet port now shows up in ifconfig as the very reasonable "em0".
em0? Do you mean en0? IIRC, it stands for Ethernet Network #0. IRIX uses (used) the same network naming scheme as well.
Pedantry aside, I sort of understand why the do the funky name scheme. The idea is that the name is based on the location of the slot, so PCI/PCIx slot #0, so that's where the p0 comes from. The s19 is a unique identifier based on some properties your card has. This way your cards don't bounce around the network names. However, some problems arise due to wireless cards identifying themselves on bus -209, so you get wireless names like wlx32559s18 and so on.
ArchLinux has come up with a way to deal with this, so long as you stay away from the standard eth0 (I use en numbers myself). It should work in the other Linux versions, also, but I've not tried it. Here's the link. That said, even back in the ifconfig days, I used something on a CentOS server these lines to give a specific eth-number affinity for a specific Ethernet port by mac address.
I understand why you've switched to BSD (FreeBSD?), I've used it in the past, back in the late 90s. My suggestion is to track stable, and dedicate some time to the mailing list to understanding what they are doing what they are doing. But don't upgrade stable (build world) without reading the release notes. There was a big deal when one of the stable bumps (like 3.8 to 3.11) broke world if you didn't stop off at 3.9 first. Also, build your own kernel. The kernel config for BSD, IIRC, is a giant text file. You flip the bits that you want, recompile, reboot and you are good to go.
Re:Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 08:21 · Score: 0

For once this is not a systemd problem. This is Dell's "consistent" naming b.s. and while it does have some valid use cases, most of the time it causes more problems than it solves.
In ye olden days Dell BIOSes were extraordinarily bad piles of crap. One big problem was that they (unlike every other BIOS I used at the time) would probe the PCI bus in a random order each boot. So, if you had more than one interface each boot it was random which one would be eth0, eth1, etc. This led to persistent udev naming which introduced new problems if you replaced a NIC or moved an image from one machine to another and suddenly what should be eth0 is now eth1 or 2 or something. This led to "consistent" naming (which causes even more problems most of the time) where the interface names are based on the physical topology of the card starting from is it onboard or in an expansion slot.
enp0s19: interface that is in slot 19 of pci bus 0
Re:Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by jandrese · 2017-07-21 08:58 · Score: 1

FreeBSD names the devices by the type of driver it uses. The em driver is used for Intel Pro/1000 type cards. If his system also had a Broadcom NIC in it the device would show up as bge0.

In theory I think it is possible to screw up the device numbering by moving cards around or adding/removing a card from the system, but in practice that doesn't tend to happen very often. It's more of a problem for people using USB NICs, but even then it's usually not an issue.

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Re:Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by KiloByte · 2017-07-21 10:49 · Score: 1

These names are not predictable for computers either. These random numbers get rerolled on major kernel upgrades (quite rarely but enough in the ong run), when kernel config changes, when you attach a new piece of hardware, for no reason whatsoever, or in some cases even every single boot.

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Re: Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by Zero__Kelvin · 2017-07-21 11:03 · Score: 1

Try 'lspci' and see if you see those numbers. It is just a guess, but your NIC likely is device 19 on PCI bus 0. You might think it makes more sense the other way, but in a highly parallel startup environment there is a race condition, and your cards might not be enumerated and registered in the same order every time.

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Re: Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by Zero__Kelvin · 2017-07-21 11:09 · Score: 0

You are correct. This pre-dates systemd, but as usual the anti-systemd crowd is more interested in bashing it because they are jealous of a guy than actually learning how their system works and why things work the way they do. Hint: When one is tempted to rant about how stupid something is on a Linux system, it is a clear indication you have something to learn, not something to say.

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Re: Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by Zero__Kelvin · 2017-07-21 11:14 · Score: 0

So I am not going to do your homework for you, but if you must have a handle to your NIC such as eth0 then you can. Google is your friend.

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Re: Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by fisted · 2017-07-21 13:59 · Score: 1

Typical Linux user response... "Hey, we did something retarded and as an added bonus, we enabled it by default! Why, if you don't want it you can go out of your way to undo our mess."

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Re: Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by Zero__Kelvin · 2017-07-21 14:12 · Score: 1

Typical retard ... "I'm too retarded to understand why things are this way, so I'm going to say it is stupid that it is this way to deflect the fact that I am stupid!"

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Re: Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by fisted · 2017-07-21 14:33 · Score: 1

So then let's hear why predictable(TM) interface names are the way they are, how they are useful and why it is a good idea to make servers default to it, dear zealot.

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Re:Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 15:25 · Score: 1

You are right, it is not a systemd thing, more connected with the migration away from a manually (via scripts in most distros so it may not seem manual to the user) maintained /dev filesystem with simple, but high maintenance in complex use-case situations, ifconfg based commands for managing network devices, to a kernel managed /sys filesystem and NetworkManager based management of network devices (which handles mobile scenarios such as different priorities for wireless networks, and handover from wireless to wired when an ethernet cable is plugged in much better)
Re:Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 15:31 · Score: 0

Persistent rules are a thing, but they have to be set up manually. The order of devices depended on the order that modules were probed in the kernel. If you installed a new ethernet device and the old one kept its address without you first configuring udev to reserve eth0 for that specific device, you just got lucky.
The new /sys based configuration keeps the old chance based device naming for most devices (ethernet for some reason seems to be a special case, as the devices only seem to have one name to refer to them by for whatever historical reasons the kernel developers decided on), but adds other more predictable ways of addressing devices by their physical location on the bus, or by unique identifiers of the devices themselves.
Re:Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 15:36 · Score: 0

When a Windows user decides to try this LInux thing, they no more need to worry about the name of their NIC than a Linux user needs to worry when they try Windows that the NIC name is PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_156F&SUBSYS_80FA103C&REV_21. A Windows user trying Linux can just use whatever GUI configuration tool the distro has for interfacing to NetworkManager.
Re:Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 16:43 · Score: 0

em0 has a long history, I think Solaris used to use names like that.
Re: Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by Hognoxious · 2017-07-21 22:03 · Score: 1

I must have angels watching over me. Whatever the problem is that they're trying to solve by making the names look like line noise has never, ever, bothered me.

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Re: Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by Zero__Kelvin · 2017-07-22 00:33 · Score: 1

Yes. The angels that changes to this scheme so that race conditions introduced by newer systems that boot faster and advancements in boot parallelism didn't bite you in the ass. Now seriously, you are clueless on so many things. Just accept it and move on with your pathetic life. You ReALLY aren't smarter than the people who develop Linux and udev, etc. I PROMISE.

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Re: Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by fisted · 2017-07-22 01:20 · Score: 1

You're beyond pathetic, but I suppose Ican consider you representative for the Linux zealot community, given how you insult arbitrary people including those which appear to be supporting your argument (which is ultimately at authrority, but oh well).
I'm having fun watching your trainwreck go down and be windowsified from a real operating system that works as expected and doesn't add random shit breaking things left and right because some idiot has an oh-so-nice idea. Increasing boot speed by nondeterministically probing the hw busses? I'm not even sure that's actually true, but hey. Boot time. Highly important especially on servers, right? This is one of the features that specifically help absolute niche applications of Linux, when the whole thing is already pretty nice except on the server side, where things get increasingly broken and ass backwards.

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Re: Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by Zero__Kelvin · 2017-07-22 01:28 · Score: 1

Boot time is *especially* important on servers, as these days people use virtualization and spin them up on demand. As usual you just keep making yourself look more and more stupid. Off you go now little troll ...

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Re:Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by johannesg · 2017-07-22 03:39 · Score: 1

I was talking about the overal experience, not just the name of the ethernet device.
Re:Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-22 06:43 · Score: 0

As much as I'd like to hate on systemd for this, it's not systemd's fault per se. I have the same thing on Gentoo, using OpenRC. It's a move towards "Predictable Network Interface Names" (https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/), though personally, I find this new scheme less predictable on 99% of machines which have one ethernet NIC.
Re:Why the fuck did eth0 become enp0s19?! by jabuzz · 2017-07-22 21:09 · Score: 1

On the other hand you have a server with built quad gigabit ethernet, you open it up to add a dual port 10GbE card for an upgrade, start the machine and all your firewall rules are completely foobar till you fix everything up, because the 10GbE card now grabs eth0/eth1 or more likely em1/em2.
In my view those bitching about ethernet device names have never had to maintain a server with multiple ethernet ports and doing upgrades on them. There is plenty to hate about systemd, but this even if was a systemd thing is not one of them.

Actual responses by Cyrano+de+Maniac · 2017-07-21 02:56 · Score: 2

Here's what I use regularly:

Web Browser: Chrome, then Firefox when needed. lynx if it gets bad enough.
Email Client: They all suck, but Thunderbird and alpine
Terminal: xfce4-terminal, xterm when needed
IDE: Don't need one. But please package cscope, xxdiff, and hexedit. diffuse would be helpful as well.
File manager: I accidentally start this once in a while. Then I close it ASAP.
Basic Text Editor: vim
IRC/Messaging Client: pidgin, xchat, epicII, in that order
PDF Reader: evince
Office Suite: OpenOffice, because there's no other realistic choice outside of Google Docs or Office 365.
Calendar: Lightning in Thunderbird, but it sucks. Would use Orage if it played nice with Exchange (sadly no choice in mail server at work), or if you could at least add calendar entries via an .ics file from the command line without restarting Orage.
Video Player: Don't use.
Music Player: Don't use.
Photo Viewer: eog, because I don't know what else is out there. Not a great choice, admittedly.
Screen recording: Don't use.

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Re:Actual responses by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 04:12 · Score: 0

IRC/Messaging Client: pidgin, xchat, epicII, in that order
xchat is no longer maintained, use hexchat instead if you want to have the same look and feel.
Re:Actual responses by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 05:05 · Score: 0

>IDE: Don't need one. But please package cscope, xxdiff, and hexedit. diffuse would be helpful as well.
These are all packaged an available in the archive already?
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cscope
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xxdiff
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hexedit
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/diffuse
Re:Actual responses by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 10:09 · Score: 0

Here's what I use regularly:
Web Browser: Chrome, then Firefox when needed. lynx if it gets bad enough.
Hell no. Firefox as default. If Chrome is even installed by default, then I'll be switching to a new distro.
(Just say "no" to Google spyware installed on your local machine.)

Email Client: They all suck, but Thunderbird and alpine
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IRC/Messaging Client: pidgin, xchat, epicII, in that order
What year is it again? Thunderbird and pidgin are the first things I uninstall.

Basic Text Editor Vote by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:58 · Score: 0

My vote is vi, not vim or any of its relatives. Simply vi.

I've found it rather upsetting that when I dial vi into my CLI of my Debian Stretch, I get a vim variation.

De-Bloat the UI, please by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 02:59 · Score: 0

Please de-bloat the UI, or at least provide a lightweight UI. MATE, Cinnamon, and gnome are all super heavy.. I can sit there and watch Cinnamon chew away half of an entire CPU just sitting there doing nothing.

I had a Win2K machine long ago on a single-core AMD CPU with 128MB of RAM and a SCSI hard disk. It responded INSTANTLY to EVERYTHING. We have 100x more computing power today and amazing graphics cards, and the UI on Ubuntu is still INTOLERABLY slow. I absolutely hate it. I've tried Unity, Gnome, Mate, Cinnamon, and whatever else, and they all have this in common.

Re:De-Bloat the UI, please by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-22 09:51 · Score: 0

LXDE does follow that unbloated philosophy. This only takes care of the start menu, task bar and file manager though, with a handful of small tools like image viewer and terminal.
You will still wait several seconds for e.g. VLC to launch, because that one loads large or numerous libraries (mplayer with no GUI controlled by blind-mode hotkeys is for snobs and poseurs)
MATE slowness I can tolerate very well, it's not like Cinnamon where I can see 80% CPU use when moving a window.
I see worrying things in the task manager : 26MB of RAM used for the weather applet? Even 15MB for the clock? (which does have a calendar at least). 41MB for the text editor?? (actually xed, a linux mint fork. with a small bunch of tabs)
And so on. But it's still better than Windows 7/Vista. It can be quick enough on single core CPU, 1GB RAM and Ultra ATA hard drive ("compositor" can be default off or default on depending on distro. I don't need that feature. Turn it off)

What about better blockchain integration? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 03:08 · Score: 1, Funny

Why aren't they planning on doing more blockchain integration? Blockchain is the big up and coming technology. If they don't support blockchain technology now then they will fall behind.

When I install Ubuntu I want the kernel to be blockchain-enabled by default. I also want the basic UNIX commands, like "ls", "cat", "df", "ps" and so on to at least be blockchain-compatible, if not blockchain-enabled by default, too. I haven't used GNOME in a long time, so I don't know how well it supports blockchain, but if Ubuntu is switching to GNOME then I hope they have reviewed its blockchain support. Like in the other cases, I want GNOME to be blockchain-enabled by default.

My last request would be to make sure that cron also supports blockchain, so that I can use it to schedule blockchain maintenance periodically. I know some people like the use automatic mark-and-sweep garbage collection with their blockchain, but I prefer a more manual approach combined with minimal cron-scheduled automatic blockchain maintenance scripts.

This release of Ubuntu clearly features some big changes, so I hope they go all the way and make sure that their blockchain support and integration is the best that it can be. Think of blockchain as like UTF-8 was a decade ago: it's the big upcoming technology. If you support it early, like Linux did, then things will be golden in the future.

Re:What about better blockchain integration? by tommeke100 · 2017-07-21 07:26 · Score: 2

it will be called blockchaind
Re:What about better blockchain integration? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-22 18:00 · Score: 0

Too late, I heard systemd is about to cut another funky hot fresh release with full, mandatory, non-discriminatory, totally inclusive, and all-seeing blockchain support. -PCP
Captcha: mourners
Re:What about better blockchain integration? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-22 18:10 · Score: 0

BREAKING NEWS ALERT: The freshest of the fresh celebrity spokesmen has just signed on with systemd to promote the new systemd blockchain integration hawtness. You know what time it is...yeaaaaahhhhh boooooyeeeeee! -PCP

You are not going to listen anyway by iamacat · 2017-07-21 03:09 · Score: 1

If you did, Gnome -> Unity -> Gnome fiasco would have never happened, not to mention ads in local search. This rules out truly non-technical users who expect stability, but Ubuntu is still pretty good for a little more experienced users who know how to install and configure another desktop. Please at least stick to one thing for some time now and don't move to KDE or XWayland in the next release. And don't even think of Yahoo as default search in anything - put users before politics.

Re: You are not going to listen anyway by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 04:31 · Score: 0

No shit. I'm so tired of the "omg google is evil so no chrome and no google search allowed" mentality.

My wishlist by IWantMoreSpamPlease · 2017-07-21 03:09 · Score: 1

Bug fixes first, new features second.

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Progress by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 03:10 · Score: 0

I am using 17.10 beta, it is great, gnome especially is a huge improvement over Unity. Great work!
My wish list
Wayland still seems flaky to me, please make it stable, Chromium web browser, gmail mail client, keep Openoffice, hopefully more stability for CUPS, more consistant and richer Fonts. Better touch screen gestures would be great, it is pretty minimal right now, find I have add a mouse or keyboard too much even if I am just surfing the web.

Thanks,

Web browser by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 03:16 · Score: 0

I'd appreciate a package of Pale Moon. Chromium and Firefox both have absolutely bat-shit insane UIs now. Pale Moon behaves like a normal web browser and runs fast.

My software list by Kreuzfeld · 2017-07-21 03:23 · Score: 1

My go-to list, in priority order:

Web Browser: Vivaldi, Firefox, Chrome
Email Client: Thunderbird!
Terminal: Terminal, xterm
IDE: meh
File manager: any
Basic Text Editor: emacs, vi
IRC/Messaging Client: meh
PDF Reader: evince, okular
Office Suite: LibreOffice!
Calendar: Thunderbird/Lightning
Video Player: VLC
Music Player: VLC
Photo Viewer: meh
Screen recording: meh

My list across all Ubuntu systems by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 03:23 · Score: 0

I'd love to be able to NOT have 75 applications installed that I'll never use just because I pick a specific DE. A single checkbox would be appreciated to NOT have those installed. I have **never** used gedit or kedit or kate 74 other pre-installed applications. desktop-minimal would be appreciated.

Purge the following:
* network-manager - gets confused easily
* systemd - needs 5 more yrs of dev.
* pulse audio - waiting for it to actually work. Still seeing 10 crashes a day across 5 different systems.
* all bluetooth until the protocol is secured. Got hacked a few years ago because it was enabled by default in a freshly installed AND patched system. Boooo.
* nano. If you can't use vim, GTFO. Ok, this might be going too far, I'll admit.

I'd love to see firewall (from CentOS) included. Beautiful, clear, firewall interface.

I routinely see installations go great, everything works, but at the first boot, networking (wired or wifi) fail to work because the drivers weren't installed. How rude. This happens both with desktop and server installations.

I'd love to have better control of disk allocations during installation. Let us set the total amount of storage to be used for the install, especially when choosing whole drive encryption. It was a huge hassle to reduce the disk usage 50% post-install so I could dual boot a non-encrypted OS. It shouldn't be that hard.

Did I mention making systemd and pulse-audio replaceable?

Re:My list across all Ubuntu systems by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 08:29 · Score: 0

You know what would help that debate a ton? If a popular distro went into the effort of offering systemd as an option with an alternative. I understand the philosophy side of the debate, but I've never bothered comparing them head to head. If I could see what sort of performance I'm gaining for violating philosophy, it might help me understand why people are pushing it through.
Now, that's a lot of work, but it'd be more helpful to the Linux community than trying to show-horn a phone-oriented desktop into a desktop desktop. No your phone didn't take over the world. Thank god they finally stopped trying to ram that down people's throats.
Re:My list across all Ubuntu systems by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-22 02:51 · Score: 0

> You know what would help that debate a ton? If a popular distro went into the effort of offering systemd as an option with an alternative
Nobody working on distributions seems to be interested in working on that.
Maybe because more experienced people able to contribute to distributions are not against systemd.

Too Late... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 03:43 · Score: 2, Informative

I started using Ubuntu when 10.04 came out. When they forced that Unity shit on us I had to instal gnome-flashback to get a "not shit" desktop back. I just recently installed Ubuntu Mate w/compiz which gives me the traditional desktop without the shitty new gnome or unity wad.

Will the Ubuntu devs actually listen? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 03:44 · Score: 0

What I'm wondering is if the Ubuntu devs will even bother to listen to the feedback they're getting.

We see this all of the time from open source projects. The devs have made up their minds already, but they "request feedback" or put out "surveys" to the community anyway. The community overwhelmingly responds against whatever the devs have already decided on. Yet instead of listening to the user community feedback, the devs do whatever it was they were originally going to do, while essentially disregarding whatever the community suggested.

We've seen this happen with Firefox again and again. The Firefox devs propose some idiotic change. The Firefox user community says "NO! We do not want that!". Then a few weeks later the unwanted change is forced on Firefox's users anyway, despite their objections.

We've seen this happen with GNOME 3. Basically everything about it has been a disaster.

We've seen this happen with various Linux distros when they went to include software like PulseAudio, systemd, and NetworkManager.

Open source projects used to be about listening to the users, and doing what was in the users' best interest. But lately they've become about the devs just shitting upon the users. I'm not going to waste my time with any survey or feedback if there's a high likelihood it will just be ignored.

Re:Will the Ubuntu devs actually listen? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 03:49 · Score: 0

The devs have made up their minds already, but they "request feedback" or put out "surveys" to the community anyway.
Sounds like my wife..
Re:Will the Ubuntu devs actually listen? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 05:02 · Score: 0

Normal users are fucking clueless though, and in the rare case one of them knows what they're talking about 99% of the time they're staunchly greybeard about it and unwilling to discuss anything on technical merit. It's different therefore it is bad.
There's also the fact that humans aren't very good at dealing with their biases. When winning by a slim margin we fight for our ideal with "Well this was the majority choice, get over it!" and when we lose by a slim margin it's "But almost half the people said they didn't want it and you're forcing it on them!" instead. Even when the margins aren't slim, we tend to surround ourselves in echo chambers so everyone we hear agrees with us that it was {horrible, wonderful} that they went with whatever outcome.
The silent majority doesn't care.

Does it matter what Ubuntu chooses? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 03:54 · Score: 0

Systemd will tell you what you're going to get and use soon enough.

AWS by swan5566 · 2017-07-21 03:59 · Score: 2

Use it a lot in that environment. Having smooth updates from previous versions, as well as network reliability.

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Re: by LinuxRegisteredUser_ · 2017-07-21 04:03 · Score: 1

Web Browser: firefox, chromium
Email Client: thunderbird
Terminal: konsole
IDE: vim
File manager: konqueror
Basic Text Editor: vi
IRC/Messaging Client: irssi
PDF Reader: okular
Office Suite: libreoffice
Calendar: ???
Video Player: mplayer
Music Player: clementine
Photo Viewer: gwenview
Screen recording: ???

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Bring back renameable terminal tabs by 21st+Century+Peon · 2017-07-21 04:08 · Score: 1

They vanished in 15.04, and the world wept at their departure.
...OK, I wept.
...OK, I shouted at the screen, spent too long searching for it as a bug, eventually found it was a "feature", then shouted at the screen some more.

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Remote Connection GUI by gachunt · 2017-07-21 04:08 · Score: 1

Built-in ability to remote connect, similar to RDP.

It's a pain to try and configure xrdp, vnc4server. So much frustration.

Supporting tools by peterofoz · 2017-07-21 04:12 · Score: 1

I dabble in development, but mostly work in project management and business analysis.

The primary tool I see needing the most work in my daily use is a good note taking tool alternate to OneNote. I've used Baskets, but found it has stability issues and had not been updated is a while. Other tools are too rudimentary being text only or having a predefined structure like being a daily journal.

Other favorite tools are LibreOffice, PDF editors, mind mapping View Your Mind, yEd, Inkscape and Dia, ProjectLibre, NotePadQQ, Vokoscreen, Remmina remote desktop

For collaboration I use cloud tools like HipChat and Zoom.us

all i want in ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 04:14 · Score: 0

is to bring back the pornos in the videos folder by default

Response by gsliepen · 2017-07-21 04:15 · Score: 3, Informative

Web Browser: firefox
Email Client: mutt
Terminal: xterm
IDE: vim
File manager: ls
Basic Text Editor: vim
IRC/Messaging Client: irssi
PDF Reader: evince and okular, whichever annoys me less
Office Suite: latex
Calendar: orage
Video Player: mpv
Music Player: mpd
Photo Viewer: geeqie
Screen recording: n.a.

Re:Response by TheOuterLinux · 2017-07-22 00:00 · Score: 1

You mentioned latex; I like to use Lyx as a wysiwyg editor for it. Makes everything look professional. The only down side is that installing Lyx usually pulls about 1GB worth of packages.
Re:Response by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-22 10:04 · Score: 0

What about atril or xreader to read pdf? though, what I really want is a pdf reader where you can toggle an option to just waste a gigabyte of RAM storing rendered output instead of constantly re-rendering when you scroll through a document.

Of course, sytemD by SurenEnfiajyan · 2017-07-21 04:26 · Score: 0

Web Browser: systemd Email Client: systemd Terminal: systemd IDE: systemd File manager: systemd Basic Text Editor: systemd IRC/Messaging Client: systemd PDF Reader: systemd Office Suite: systemd Calendar: systemd Video Player: systemd Music Player: systemd Photo Viewer: systemd Screen recording: systemd

Make SystemD Replaceable by kbahey · 2017-07-21 04:48 · Score: 1

I have been using Linux as my main desktop for around 15 years, and Kubuntu as my main desktop from ~ 2006 until last February or so. I switched to Xubuntu because Kubuntu 16.04 started going down the 'dumb it down by removing configurability' track.

So, I can't comment on Unity or Gnome since I never used them, and probably never will. XFCE does what I want, as did KDE before it.

I also use Linux for all my clients (Ubuntu LTS Server).

What bugs me is that Ubuntu decided to go down the systemd route blindly. If it was made optional, I would not mind much. As in: choice! But it is is not, and I cannot make a server or desktop be 'systemd free' by just removing packages and installing others.

The arguments against systemd are known to any experienced system admin with lots of years in the field.

Make systemd replaceable please!

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Re:Make SystemD Replaceable by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 16:10 · Score: 0

can't, ubuntu is debian-based, and debian is into systemd.
systemd is a spork, so ubuntu is sporked! stay tuned, soon, you won't need anything else, systemd will be it and linus will be jobless. and yeah, you can have any color you want, as long as it is black.
Re:Make SystemD Replaceable by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-22 02:06 · Score: 0

> The arguments against systemd are known to any experienced system admin with lots of years in the field.
Yeah, we know: it's all a plot of the NSA if you are an "experienced system admin" (or "conspiracy nutter that is also a hobby admin").

Chrome by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 04:53 · Score: 0

Web Browser: chrome
Email Client: chrome
Terminal: N/A
IDE: chrome
File manager: N/A
Basic Text Editor: N/A
IRC/Messaging Client: chrome
PDF Reader: chrome
Office Suite: chrome
Calendar: chrome
Video Player: chrome
Music Player: chrome
Photo Viewer: chrome
Screen recording: chrome

Autoremove old kernels from /boot by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 04:55 · Score: 1

Holy common sense, Batman. This has been one of my biggest gripes about running Ubuntu on a server platform for years. I know there are tools out there that automate this, but it really should have been part of aptitude from the start.

Real responses by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 04:57 · Score: 0

Web Browser: Chroimum, Firefox, Chrome
Email Client: Thunderbird I guess
Terminal: They all work fine for me
IDE: Don't use
File manager: Whatever's been default works for me
Basic Text Editor: gedit has been kind to me for a graphical editor
IRC/Messaging Client: Still a fan of pidgin for IM, none of the IRC clients impress me
PDF Reader: Evince
Office Suite: Libre office
Calendar: What is out there? I have no idea
Video Player: Totem, Kodi
Music Player: Amarok
Photo Viewer: eog, shotwell
Screen recording: shutter

Maybe future Ubuntu user? (again) by SpaceAmoeba · 2017-07-21 05:02 · Score: 1

Currently using Linux Mint Cinnamon, but will be looking at Ubuntu 18.04 for possible switch.

Web Browser: Vivaldi, Firefox, Chrome
Email Client: Thunderbird
IDE: IntelliJ, Eclipse
File manager: Nemo, Nautilus
Basic Text Editor: Xed / Gedit
PDF Reader: evince
Office Suite: Libreoffice (but needs so much work!)
Video Player: MPlayer / Xplayer
Music Player: quodlibet

Screw you haters; I'll say something NICE! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 05:09 · Score: 0

Autoremove old kernels from /boot

OMG, thank you, thank you!

I usually have /boot on its own partition, and it seems like I always make it too small. I think I'm making it way bigger than it'll ever need to be, but I usually somehow get it wrong. And I swear, I have to "apt-get autoremove" pretty much just as often as I "apt-get upgrade" just to keep from running out of space. 2 or 3 kernels is enough but if you don't keep on top of things, it can lead to dozens just sitting there, eating space.

Survey response by rnm4446 · 2017-07-21 05:12 · Score: 1

Environment: Ubuntu Desktop Web Browser: Firefox Email Client: Thunderbird Terminal: GTerm IDE: Geany, Eclipse when required File manager: Nautilus Basic Text Editor: GEdit IRC/Messaging Client: Thunderbird (chat) PDF Reader: Evince Office Suite: LibreOffice Calendar: Google Calendar Video Player: VLC Music Player: RhythmBox Photo Viewer: GNOME Image Viewer Screen recording: none; live screen share would be useful, I haven't found any cross-platform that work well yet. In short, most of what you have selected as best-of-breed work really well for me.

or even worse... by gosand · 2017-07-21 05:21 · Score: 1

You go to install the latest kernel, and then it errors out in a partially-updated state because /boot is full.
It took quite a bit of googling to find the right solution of how to remove old kernels to make enough space to get the latest installed. An option to safely do this automatically would be nice.

(I am on Mint, and my system may or may not have been in a bad state with a partially-installed kernel, but I wasn't about to reboot and find out)

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Re:or even worse... by Hognoxious · 2017-07-21 22:39 · Score: 1

In sensible distros you can set it in yum.conf:
installonly_limit=3
Gives you one as a spare and one for a scare.

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Drag and Drop Desktop Shortcuts by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 05:22 · Score: 0

Drag something from the sidebar or the file system to the desktop and have it produce a desktop shortcut to the program. You'd be surprised how the lack of little familiar things like that can throw off novice and casual users who are trying to see if Ubuntu fits their way of doing things and will work as their primary OS, especially coming from Windows.

Survey by jon3k · 2017-07-21 05:26 · Score: 1

Web Browser: qutebrowser, chromium, elinks, firefox
Email Client: gmail
Terminal: rxvt (-unicode)
IDE: vim
File manager: (none)
Basic Text Editor: vi(m)
IRC/Messaging Client: irssi
PDF Reader: chromium
Office Suite: google docs
Calendar: google docs
Video Player: vlc, plex via browser
Music Player: mpd via ncmpcpp
Photo Viewer: web browser, feh
Screen recording: n/a

Re:Actual responses (suggestions for you) by gosand · 2017-07-21 05:29 · Score: 1

Web Browser: Chrome, then Firefox when needed. lynx if it gets bad enough.

Pale Moon, then Firefox, then Chromium, then Lynx.

Email Client: They all suck, but Thunderbird and alpine

YES... alpine (combined with fetchmail) all the way, been using it forever. If I have to I will use webmail as a backup.

File manager: I accidentally start this once in a while. Then I close it ASAP.

LOL. Yes, exactly.

Office Suite: OpenOffice, because there's no other realistic choice outside of Google Docs or Office 365.

LibreOffice

Video Player: Don't use.
Music Player: Don't use.

VLC for both

Photo Viewer: eog, because I don't know what else is out there. Not a great choice, admittedly.

geeqie is great. I still alias it to gqview, because that is what I used to use until it forked into geeqie and I can type gqview easier.

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Mint takes care of my needs, thanks... BUT by gosand · 2017-07-21 05:33 · Score: 1

Can you please please please offer a good replacement for systemd. Of course it was all over that survey, but I guess it fell on deaf ears.

I've been on Mint XFCE for several years now, and recently upgraded 18.1 to 18.2. Smooth and fast. I love Mint, but I see systemd being the death knell for it in my eyes if things keep going the way they are.

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Re:Mint takes care of my needs, thanks... BUT by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 12:19 · Score: 0

IMO using Mint == you're putting a lot of trust into two guys that obviously don't care about security.
Xubuntu uses XFCE, and Ubuntu MATE uses MATE, so Cinnamon is the only reason to consider using Mint.
Re:Mint takes care of my needs, thanks... BUT by gosand · 2017-07-22 00:25 · Score: 1

I used to use Xubuntu (after Kubuntu and KDE declined). It worked well, but I always keep an eye on what's out there, and I tried Mint as a live distro for a bit and really liked it. Just enough polish in the right areas for me. I tried MATE and Cinnamon, but I like XFCE better. I didn't care for the upgrade philosophy of "re-install" at first, but it made me re-organize my partitions in what is really a better way of doing it. I had done a long series of rolling upgrades while on Kubuntu, and things just got unstable and kind of weird.
Now my eye is on Devuan.

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Re:Mint takes care of my needs, thanks... BUT by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-22 01:13 · Score: 0

> Can you please please please offer a good replacement for systemd
Sadly noone wrote one yet or distros would switch to it :-(
Re:Mint takes care of my needs, thanks... BUT by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-22 01:52 · Score: 0

Devuan could be good, if only the developers had at least some experience and would not fail at the most simple tasks (basic human decency, renewing SSL certs, how to use cron, ...).
Re:Mint takes care of my needs, thanks... BUT by gosand · 2017-07-24 04:36 · Score: 1

they switched FROM it.

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Re:Drop GNOME3 and go with Mate or Cinnamon instea by Camel+Pilot · 2017-07-21 05:36 · Score: 1

Microsoft realized they made a mistake with Windows 8.0/8.1 and came out with Windows 10.

Give some points to the AC above.

Yes Gnome 3 is non-intuitive, breaks with gui common memes and is hard to configure. I manage a number of workstations for visiting scientist/engineers that come from different non-linux (ie Windows and Mac) backgrounds. When I have Mate configured they sit down and start work immediately without even noticing what is the underlying OS/GUI. Switched to Gnome 3 and immediately started getting questions and WTFs complaints.

I dont want 90% of it by Osgeld · 2017-07-21 05:39 · Score: 1

It drives me nuts that you install a distro it has libreoffice, and 2 other word processors 3 draw programs and the gimp, 4 fucking terminal emulators, FIREFOX (puke) and 100,000 little widgets I will never ever open

Re:I dont want 90% of it by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 07:48 · Score: 0

Because they don't fit on your 6 GB hard drive, because you don't know how to uninstall packages, or because the distro targetted at ordinary people shouldn't come with the useful tools ordinary people want on their computer?
And if Firefox makes you puke, I hope you have fun with Edge. Maybe you would name some other proprietary browser, but it amounts to the same thing.
Re:I dont want 90% of it by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 09:59 · Score: 0

yea dumb people distro's like debian, and arch
fuck off dipshit
Re:I dont want 90% of it by Hognoxious · 2017-07-21 10:45 · Score: 1

Got a stable setup so it's been a while since I installed anything, but IIRC the DeadRat clan allow you to choose. To use a car analogy, there's several "set meals" (desktop, desktop with A/V shit, CLI only server etc) plus the option to pick & mix as you please.

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Re:I dont want 90% of it by Osgeld · 2017-07-21 12:20 · Score: 1

well now days even debian comes with more or less the entire ubuntu set of vomitware, the only way to get around it is to install from minimal cd, do not install anything but the basic command line tools and go from there

Re:Drop GNOME3 and go with Mate or Cinnamon instea by Marisaze · 2017-07-21 05:44 · Score: 1

Personally, I can't imagine Gnome 3 being any good on a tablet. It might function okay with a touchscreen but I couldn't tell you as I don't use them. Gnome 3 is certainly different, but it's extremely powerful once you get used to it. That said, it's not going to be everyone's preferred DE and nobody should expect that there ever will be a perfect DE for everyone.

If you don't like Gnome 3, there's plenty of other flavors of Ubuntu, and certainly more than enough distros to try alternatives. Ubuntu MATE is a great spin if that's the route you want, and Martin Wimpress is a marvelous maintainer. It's official too, so you don't even have to worry about support.

__ by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 05:45 · Score: 0

Web Browser: Chrome Email Client: Gmail Terminal: Konsole IDE: KDevelop File manager: Dolphin Basic Text Editor: Kate IRC/Messaging Client: ??? PDF Reader: ??? Office Suite: LibreOffice Calendar: ??? Video Player: VLC Music Player: Clementine Photo Viewer: ??? Screen recording: ???

My List by Feneric · 2017-07-21 05:54 · Score: 1

Web Browser: Firefox Dev Edition, Chrome, Firefox, Opera
Email Client: Thunderbird
Terminal: terminology
IDE: Sublime Text, Komodo IDE (would love to see Coda for Linux, but alas)
File manager: Nautilus
Basic Text Editor: Vim
IRC/Messaging Client: Pidgin
PDF Reader: xpdf
Office Suite: LibreOffice, Google Docs, Abiword, LyX
Calendar: Thunderbird
Video Player: VLC
Music Player: XMMS2
Photo Viewer: GraphicsMagick, GIMP
Screen recording: N/A
Games: Battle for Wesnoth, Xconq, Oolite, FreeOrion, FreeDroid, Lectrote, XU4 (Ultima IV)
Other: POV-Ray, Blender, Inform 7, Twine, iPython QT Console, pgAdmin, Audacity, calibre, GoldenDict

sure my input by btroy · 2017-07-21 05:57 · Score: 1

Web Browser: FireFox
Email Client: Thunderbird
Terminal: gnome default is okay
IDE: gedit
Basic Text Editor: gedit
IRC/Messaging Client: HexChat
PDF Reader: evince
Office Suite: Libreoffice
Video Player: VLC
Music Player: RhythmBox
Photo Viewer: gThumb

Re: by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 06:27 · Score: 0

Web Browser: Chrome, Firefox or Rekonq if first doesn't work
Email Client: Thunderbird, kmail2 still suck, waiting for Kube
Terminal: konsole
IDE: Netbeans
File manager: Dolphin
Basic Text Editor: kwrite
IRC/Messaging Client: slack, hangouts
PDF Reader: okular
Office Suite: libreoffice
Calendar: google agenda
Video Player: vlc
Music Player: spotify, qmmp
Photo Viewer: gwenview
Screen recording: none

Dear Ubuntu... by LVSlushdat · 2017-07-21 06:27 · Score: 1, Insightful

Dear Ubuntu, I've been with you since 7.04/Feisty Fawn, and once you released 8.04LTS, I've upgraded with each new LTS with pleasure, however... I'm still on 14.04LTS, and WILL NOT be upgrading to 16.04 or 18.04 because you decided, along with Debian and quite a few other distributions to drop your -perfectly working- upstart init scheme and go down the toilet bowl with systemd. I'll be on 14.04 until its EOL in 2019, at which time, I'm planning on going to Devuan or back to my "Linux roots" with Slackware. Been using/admin'ing Linux for 20 years and systemd is by FAR the stupidest abortion to be inflicted on Linux since Linus gave birth to Linux...

Bye Bye, Ubuntu

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Re:Dear Ubuntu... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-22 06:18 · Score: 0

Oh for fuck's sake, what is it with the systemd hate? I switched from Mint 17 to Ubuntu Mate 16.04 and I didn't even realise it used systemd until about 6 months after. What *specific* problem do you have with systemd which isn't fixable with a few seconds of googling? Have you actually *used* systemd at all or are you just brainwashed by the constant crap about it on /. (of which 95% probably comes from trolls who just hate Linux in general and have never been anywhere near it or systemd).
If you haven't tried Ubuntu 16.04 yourself but are being put off by the organised campaign against systemd, that's pretty pathetic. Ubuntu MATE 16.04 is great on my crappy old desktop, I had to learn a couple of new commands to look at the boot messages but they seem to be a bit more informative. That's all there was to it.
If you've tried 16.04 and it fails due to systemd and not some unrelated issue that's fine. But don't listen to the anti-systemd shit on /., it's a small number of people making a lot of noise.
In fact, I dare you to try it (Ubuntu 16.04) and come back and report on the systemd specific issues you encountered.

Fix your damned VNC server by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 06:34 · Score: 0

I struggle with this each new server install (ok, my last was 12.04). I know lots of others struggle with it, because it's all over Google. An out of the box gnome/vnc4server installation will serve a gray box to the client. Not too useful, eh? All the solutions out there only seem to work for the person that posted it. Gnome vnc appears to be a compleat non-starter, not without jumping through all kinds of hoops.

XFCE at least works, though a good xstarter script ain't easy to find.

Don't.Make.Us.Hunt.For.It.

Mine by rgbe · 2017-07-21 07:11 · Score: 1

I started with Debian back as my primary desktop in 1998, but have been using different flavours of Ubuntu since it arrived. Currently using Ubuntu GNOME have used Xubuntu extensively too. Keep up the good work. Although, I have tried Debian again and may go back if the Ubuntu experience does not get better (unlikely). Biggest gripe is the state of screen rendering on Linux. Wayland is so important to get going. Web Browser: Firefox for personal stuff, Chrome for work. Email Client: Gmail for work and personal. Terminal: Tilix recently, but Terminator for sometime before that. IDE: Atom (if you call that an IDE), sometimes Eclipse or WebStorm. File manager: midnight commander, then default gnome. Basic Text Editor: vim. IRC/Messaging Client: web based clients only. PDF Reader: default gnome. Office Suite: Libre office, then Google Docs. Calendar: Google Calendar, integration with Gnome using online accounts. Video Player: vlc. Music Player: Rhymbox. Photo Viewer: Default Gnome, gThumb. Screen recording: For snapshots default Gnome app, for videos I use recordMyDesktop.

Re:Installed by default by Hognoxious · 2017-07-21 07:28 · Score: 2

Web Browser: SYSTEMD!!!
Email Client: SYSTEMD!!!
Terminal: SYSTEMD!!!
IDE: SYSTEMD!!!
File manager: SYSTEMD!!!
Basic Text Editor: SYSTEMD!!!
IRC/Messaging Client: SYSTEMD!!!
PDF Reader: SYSTEMD!!!
Office Suite: SYSTEMD!!!
Calendar: SYSTEMD!!!
Video Player: SYSTEMD!!!
Music Player: SYSTEMD!!!
Photo Viewer: SYSTEMD!!!
Screen recording: SYSTEMD!!!

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Survey results by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 07:36 · Score: 0

Web Browser: Firefox, Chrome, lynx, curl
Email Client: Thunderbird
Terminal: konsole
IDE: PyCharm
File manager: Default (Cinnamon)
Basic Text Editor: Vi, gedit
IRC/Messaging Client: pidgin, irssi, discord
PDF Reader: Default
Office Suite: LibreOffice
Calendar: Lighting
Video Player: mplayer
Music Player: Clementine
Photo Viewer: Default
Screen recording: Default

Use KDE as default desktop by allo · 2017-07-21 07:38 · Score: 1

KDE already looks like unity, if you want it to look like unity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

I'm more of a debian guy, but by tkotz · 2017-07-21 07:38 · Score: 1

Web Browser: Firefox/links2
Email Client: Thunderbird or maybe better yet None
Terminal: Sakura
IDE: Strictly None, but Graphical Text Editor: Kate
File manager: Match Desktop Environment
Basic Text Editor: nano
IRC/Messaging Client: Pidgin
PDF Reader: evince
Office Suite: libreoffice
Calendar: lightning
Video Player: VLC
Music Player: VLC
Photo Viewer: gwenview
Screen recording: No opinion

Bucket list by maestroX · 2017-07-21 07:44 · Score: 1

MATE, because gnome is dead (=devs wanted a different audience) , never really liked KDE and cannot return to CDE-likes. Web Browser: firefox, hanging my laptop frequently, still don't like Chrome's developer tools Email Client: thunderbird, search really sucks and it's too big IDE: intelliJ IRC/Messaging Client: slack, left irc before icq PDF Reader: dunno, comes with Mate, works fine. It's really not that interesting Adobe would like you to believe with all the bells & whistles, just make it view and print. Office Suite: libreoffice Calendar: thunderbird + extension, the extension really sucks but at least I can respond to invites. Video Player: vlc Music Player: mpg123, audacious though it's not like xmms anymore Photo Viewer: they suck once you could view images in the file manager, before that ACDSee Screen recording: only use screencapture Shutter, is nice, includes editing, though a bit slow File manager, Basic Text Editor, Terminal are pretty much required for any desktop environment. nano always

Automatic Parsing by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 08:01 · Score: 0

Almost sounds like the poster has some scanning software to parse the 'entries'. I know we can win this and have Ubuntu be the bestest OS ever!

Web Browser: Browsey McBrowseface
Email Client: Maily McMailface
Terminal: Termie McTermface
IDE: Ide McIface
#ok, i'm too lazy to continue
File manager: face'); DROP TABLE Results;--

Another actual reply by Ruach · 2017-07-21 08:19 · Score: 1

Web Browser: Chromium, Firefox, Midori, Qupzilla, Iron
Email Client: Thunderbird
Terminal: Gnome-Terminal
IDE: none
File manager: mc, double commander, nautilus
Basic Text Editor: mcedit, gedit
IRC/Messaging Client: none
PDF Reader: qpdfview
Office Suite: LibreOffice
Calendar: google calendar
Video Player: vlc
Music Player: audacious
Photo Viewer: picasa
Screen recording: none

Not so much the desktop, but please by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 09:00 · Score: 0

Make it easy to mirror the root drive for those of us who value resilience. I use Ubuntu as desktop and server functions, and have migrated from Solaris, but the one thing that is way to complex is adding resilience.

Thanks! by michaelcole · 2017-07-21 09:20 · Score: 1

(I currently use Ubuntu GNOME 16.04. Start there and quit screwing around. Support existing alt desktop projects)
Web Browser: Chrome, Firefox
Email Client: none
Terminal: Gnome terminal + zsh
IDE: Atom
File manager: right-click -> new document. Why can't we have this? Zero fucks otherwise.
Basic Text Editor: gnome default, nano
IRC/Messaging Client: none
PDF Reader: gnome default
Office Suite: Libreoffice
Calendar: none
Video Player: VLC
Music Player: VLC
Photo Viewer: default Gnome
Screen recording: RecordMyDesktop, Kazaam
Always need better multi-monitor support. I use a USB DisplayLink adapter and it's a hot mess.

I STOPPED USING UBUNTOO by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 11:31 · Score: 0

16.04 web browser would just freeze up for no reason then a minute later the whole system would freeze. would have to press the on/off button to turn it off then turn it back on. It got to freeze so often, like every 10 minutes that i just reformatted the partition and now use mint's LMDE2. Stable as the day it was conceived, never going back to idiot distros like ubunut that don't care about stability. fuck them.

Are they asking for a name? by quenda · 2017-07-21 12:18 · Score: 1

You know they should. Following Artful Aardvark we need an adjective and noun beginning with 'B' .

Do you think a "Mc" prefix is completely out of the question?

Don't install apps that most people won't use by afgam28 · 2017-07-21 12:32 · Score: 1

It's nice to have a web browser and a basic set of (pdf, image, etc.) file viewers so that double-clicking a file in the file manager works.

But there's a class of apps that most people won't use, and take up a lot of disk space (and bandwidth to install/upgrade) so the default should be to not install anything:

Email Client: Evolution is a large program that pulls in lots of dependencies. Most people use web mail anyway. People who want a native MUA either know how to install one, or have instructions from their company on how to set this up.
IDE: Even for people who need them, there's no one IDE that will handle every programmer, so there's no sensible default. The people who need an IDE will know how to install one.
IRC/Messaging Client: Again, the market is so fragmented that it's hard to pick a good default for this, and many people are using web-based IM clients anyway.
Office Suite: LibreOffice is probably the right default, but it's a very big piece of software. Many people use Google or Office 365 for this too, and many more don't have a need for an office suite at all.
Calendar: If there's a simple calendar app (e.g. GNOME Calendar) that doesn't require a lot of setup to start using, go with that. But not Evolution, which is too big and requires too much configuration on the first launch.

trackpads by ricky_charlet · 2017-07-21 12:50 · Score: 1

Here are my suggested requirements for libinput with trackpads:

* during install, scan hardware and if supported
- enable two finger scrolling
- enable two finger clicking (right button)
- enable three finger clicking (middle button)
- if tracpad supports a distinction between taping and clicking then:
- require click to click
- if tracpad supports two finger swipe, use it for scrolling
(and test that scrolling is smooth even when disable click while typing is on)
- if tracpad supports three finger swipe, use it for switching desktops
* (forgot the exact name here) disable click while typing
* enable palm-detection by default
* provide a gui control panel with an 'advanced' section which can edit all this and more.

Nvidia Drivers by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 12:55 · Score: 0

Gnome devs are purposely stubborn , arrogant , unhelpful and generally disagreeable . Users are asking for features , complaining about thing like lack of cooperation with Nvidia and AMD but they choose to ignore them .
To have a glich free desktop i can not use Gnome shell or KDE Plasma . However XFCE works flawlessly .
Drop Gnome all together and switch to something more sensible like XFCE .
As for apps , who cares , if you use Linux you know how to install them .

Survey by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 12:59 · Score: 0

Web Browser: Chrome
Email Client: Nylas Mail looks really slick. Failing that, I guess evolution. I haven't found anything that even comes close to topping Outlook on Windows, frankly.
Terminal: gnome-terminal
IDE: Atom
File manager: Nautilus
Basic Text Editor: Vim
IRC/Messaging Client: Pidgin
PDF Reader: Acrobat. I know it's blasphemy, but it's the best. Failing that, evince
Office Suite: Don't care
Calendar: Something integrated with an email program (e.g., evolution). I don't want separate email and calendar apps.
Video Player: VLC
Music Player: Don't care. Banshee or Amarok
Photo Viewer: eog
Screen recording: ffmpeg?

Dump systemd by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 13:01 · Score: 0

And pulseaudio while you're at it

Oh well, I'll give it a go by Trogre · 2017-07-21 16:43 · Score: 1

Web Browser: firefox
Email Client: thunderbird
Terminal: konsole, gnome-terminal
IDE: n/a
File manager: thunar, bash
Basic Text Editor: vim, gvim, TeXStudio, bluefish
IRC/Messaging Client: n/a
PDF Reader: okular, evince
Office Suite: libreoffice
Calendar: lightning
Video Player: mplayer, vlc
Music Player: mplayer, audacious
Photo Viewer: geeqie
Screen recording: simplescreenrecorder

Categories you missed:
Desktop environment: xfce
System monitoring: gkrellm
Remote access: ssh+xpra
Graphics editor: gimp, blender
Sound editor: audacity
Video editor: kdenlive, openshot
Network filesystem protocol: sshfs

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From a user still running Kubuntu 14.04 LTS... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-21 17:57 · Score: 0

Apps that I use regularly, in prioritized order:

Init System: upstart
Desktop Environment: KDE
Web Browser: firefox, chromium, palemoon, lynx
Email Client: thunderbird
Terminal: xterm, konsole
IDE: vim
File manager: xterm + ls + ...
Basic Text Editor: vim
PDF Reader: mupdf, xpdf, okular
Office Suite: LaTeX (texlive + texmaker), libreoffice
Video Player: mpv, vlc, smplayer
Music Player: mpd + ncmpc
Photo Viewer: qiv, gwenview, xli
CD Burning: k3b + cdrtools
Multimedia Transcoding: ffmpeg, handbrake
Audio Tagger: kid3
Torrent Client: qbittorrent

My selection by Barabul · 2017-07-21 23:49 · Score: 1

I haven't used Ubuntu since Unity, and I don't think I will with GNOME 3. Anything else will do, I don't even hate systemd. Kde, xfce, MATE, lxde/lxqt, even fvwm, anything is better.

Web Browser: chromium, firefox
Email Client: thunderbird, alpine
Terminal: don't care, whatever is default
IDE: vim, gvim
File manager: mc, thunar, dolphin
Basic Text Editor: vim, gvim
IRC/Messaging Client: pidgin
PDF Reader: okular or evince
Office Suite: Libre Office
Calendar: -
Video Player: mplayer / smplayer
Music Player: deadbeef, audacious
Photo Viewer: gqview, shotwell, gthumb. It depends.
Screen recording: simplescreenrecorder

Suggested Software by TheOuterLinux · 2017-07-21 23:53 · Score: 1

Web Browser: Firefox+w3m
- I suggested w3m as well because you can change the user agent to mobile Safari and then set the external web browser short cut to "mpv -ytdl --vo=opengl --ao=alsa" (install mpv) and it will play the mobile formats (mp4, etc.) that youtube-dl supports, even in TTY environment.
Email Client: Thunderbird
- But you need to include Enigmail and Lightning by default
Terminal: xfce4-terminal + tmux
IDE: Geany
File manager: Thunar
- Thunar is very light and fast, but also has lots of ways to customize. I have no idea why anyone likes Nautilus or Nemo; if logging in and using 1GB+ of RAM at start is okay with you, score one for GNOME or Unity; Pantheon is pretty bad about it too.
Basic Text Editor: Gedit
IRC/Messaging Client: Hexchat, irssi
PDF Reader: Evince
Office Suite: LibreOffice
Calendar: gxul-ext-lightning
Video Player: mpv+youtube-dl
- mpv is much better than mplayer or VLC and is very easy to use. To open a URL, you just type "mpv https://..../" and youtube-dl will usually do the rest for you, including streaming sites like Twitch. The support list is here: https://rg3.github.io/youtube-.... You will get the most bang per buck this way.
Music Player: Clementine
Photo Viewer: Viewnior, Shotwell
Screen recording: gtk-recordmydesktop

If software isn't available as a .deb, but as source code or .rpm, please don't make a snap for it. Snaps feel too much like "closing" open source software and dangerously close to having Ubuntu creating its own version of Windows exe's; actually, that's exactly what it is.

Ubuntu 18.04 LTS Desktop Default Application by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-22 07:02 · Score: 0

Web Browser: Firefox
Email Client: Firefox
Terminal: gnome-terminal
IDE: emacs
File manager: nautilus
Basic Text Editor: emacs
IRC/Messaging Client: Firefox
PDF Reader: evince
Office Suite: emacs
Calendar: emacs
Video Player: mplayer
Music Player: mplayer
Photo Viewer: eog
Screen recording: emacs

Response by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-22 09:07 · Score: 0

Web Browser: Firefox, GNOME Web
Email Client: Gmail web
Terminal: GNOME Terminal
File manager: Nautilus(GNOME Files)
Basic Text Editor: gedit, vim
PDF Reader: evince
Office Suite: Libre Office
Video Player: mpv
Music Player: Clementine, Rhythmbox
Photo Viewer: Eye of GNOME

What I want in Ubuntu 18.04 by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-22 22:21 · Score: 0

Web Browser:Chromium
Email Client:Thunderbird
Terminal:Gnome-Terminal
IDE:Don't Use
File manager:Nautilus
Basic Text Editor:Gedit
IRC/Messaging Client:Don't Use
PDF Reader:Chromium
Office Suite:Libreoffice
Calendar: Don't Use
Video Player:VLC
Music Player:VLC
Photo Viewer:Don't Use
Screen recording:Don't Use

Me by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-23 17:03 · Score: 0

Web Browser: Firefox, Chromium
Email Client: Gmail web, Thunderbird
Terminal: Byobu
IDE: Eclipse
File manager: Dolphin (I would love to use Nautilus but https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubu... makes it unusable to manage pictures)
Basic Text Editor: Geany, GEdit
Office Suite: LibreOffice, Gnumeric
Calendar: Google Calendar web
Video Player: vlc, totem
Music Player: Audacious

18.04 by taikedz · 2017-07-23 22:47 · Score: 1

.... wondering why there wasn't a direct link in the Canonical blog but hey ho

Web Browser: Firefox
Email Client: ???
Terminal: GNOME Terminal. Maybe guake.
IDE: Geany
File manager: ???
Basic Text Editor: gedit (vim really, but ...)
IRC/Messaging Client: ???
PDF Reader: ???
Office Suite: LibreOffice , accept no substitutes
Calendar: ???
Video Player: VLC
Music Player: Rhythmbox
Photo Viewer: ???
Screen recording: Open Broadcaster Software

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My selection... by unrtst · 2017-07-24 07:59 · Score: 1

Web Browser: google-chrome, firefox, w3m, chromium
Email Client: alpine, thunderbird
Terminal: xterm
IDE: n/a
File manager: ls
Basic Text Editor: vim
IRC/Messaging Client: pidgin
PDF Reader: evince
Office Suite: libreoffice, gnumeric
Calendar: Google Calendar web, gcalcli, lightning
Video Player: mplayer
Music Player: clementine
Photo Viewer: geeqie, gimp
Screen recording: n/a

Style by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-24 12:27 · Score: 0

Web Browser: Chrome, Firefox
Email Client: Evolution
Terminal: gnome terminal
IDE: netbeans
File manager: nautilus
Basic Text Editor: gedit
IRC/Messaging Client: empathy
PDF Reader: evince
Office Suite: libreoffice
Calendar: gnome calendar
Video Player: vlc
Music Player: vlc
Photo Viewer: shotwell
Screen recording: gnome screenshot
*** Others
clamtk, hardinfo, kdenlive, qbittorrent, virtualbox, teamviewer
menu similar like mintmenu with searchbox and windows like style (for my family and friends linux adoption)
*** Interesting gnome extensions
AlternateTab by fmuellner
Applications Menu by fmuellner
Arc Menu by LinxGem33
Caffeine by eon
Dash to Dock by michele_g
Dash to Panel by jderose9
TopIcons Plus by phocean

Survey response by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 00:00 · Score: 0

Web Browser: Firefox
Email Client: Thunderbird
Terminal: Any that supports colour themes and doesn't swallow keys.
IDE: Vim
File manager: bash
Basic Text Editor: Vim
IRC/Messaging Client: None
PDF Reader: Evince, Okular
Office Suite: Latex, Libreoffice
Calendar: Lightning
Video Player: VLC
Music Player: VLC
Photo Viewer: Any that starts fast.
Screen recording: Not necessary
Window manager: xmonad
Package manager: apt
An easy way to get rid of systemd and dbus.
Startup without graphics, i.e. actually show service names as they are starting instead of blinking dots that provide no information whatsoever.

Survey response by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 00:49 · Score: 0

Web Browser: Firefox, Chromium, Opera, Chrome
Email Client: Thunderbird
Terminal: GNOME Terminal
File manager: Nautilus
Basic Text Editor: Gedit, Vim, Nano
IRC/Messaging Client: Pidgin
PDF Reader: Evince
Office Suite: LibreOffice
Calendar: Lightning (Thunderbird add-on)
Video Player: VLC
Music Player: Foobar 2000 (via Wine)
Photo Viewer: Shotwell, Eye of GNOME

mylist by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 10:47 · Score: 0

Web Browser: firefox
Email Client: evolution
Terminal: gnome-terminal
IDE: glade, builder
File manager: nautilus
Basic Text Editor: gedit
IRC/Messaging Client:
PDF Reader: evince
Office Suite: libreoffice
Calendar: evolution, gnome-calendar
Video Player: totem
Music Player: rhythmbox
Photo Viewer: eog
Screen recording:

Ubuntu suggestions by draciron · 2017-07-25 14:57 · Score: 1

I've been using Ubuntu for several years now. My frustrations with Fedora culminated with the lost of LTS support. Generally I love Ubuntu. Probably easiest distro to install on machines, best support for nonfree drivers, one of if not the best set of repos. There are a few things I miss however. The services command. Made it really easy to know what services are running, stop and start them and change their run level. Ubuntu has no equiv. ifconfig is another tool I really miss. Ubuntu's implementation never really seemed to work. Web Browser: Chrome, Firefox Email Client: Primarily web based but I still use Kmail from time to time. I'd love to see a grand conversion tool as I have emails stored from Eudora, Kmail, Thunderbird, Exchange, procmail, etc. Literally millions of email that I need to convert and pare down to the few hundred that still mean anything too me. I'd be happy to work on the project. Terminal: Konsole IDE: Depends on the language. File manager: Krusader Basic Text Editor: For GUI text editors where I do 99% of my edits any more. I truly miss Kedit. A port of Text Wrangler on the Mac would be awesome. I wind up using the Mac for most basic text stuff simply because Text Wrangler is light years ahead of anything i can find on Linux. Kate is buggy and a memory hog. It's also clumsy. Gedit is REALLY buggy and the odd keystrokes it uses difficult to remember. Gwrite is OK. I loved Kedit because it had the features I needed but was so light I could literally have 100s of kedit windows open at the same time and barely use any ram. It autosaved so if the system crashed I didn't lose my changes. IRC/Messaging Client: Rarely use IRC any more. PDF Reader: Okular does a pretty good job. But I'll defer if there's another light PDF reader that folks prefer. Office Suite: Open Office. Libre was insanely buggy in Kbuntu 14.04. Way too buggy to use. It crashes every 2 minutes and doesn't autosave even though I set the autosave to 30 seconds because it crashed so often. Office Libre seems to lack some of the features of Open Office that I use as well. Calendar: Looking for a good one. Video Player: VLC, Dragon Player, Kaffine Music Player: Not really enamored with any at this time. Amarok and Juk tries to do everything and all I want to do is play music. Clemintine is OK. XMMS plays music quite well but it truncates so much info that it's really difficult to tell what is playing sometimes. There are other frustrating aspects of XMMS. Photo Viewer: Gwenview, Gthumb this can reverse depending on what I am doing. Screen recording: No preference. Software management - Synaptic !!!! VERY first thing I do in a new install after security updates is install Synaptic. Ebook management - Calibre

Working toward a keboard centric environment by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 17:35 · Score: 0

Use Ubuntu 16.04 daily on the job as a software developer. I'm working to make my development machine more keyboard centric and less mouse reliant, so my app selections are perhaps different than most.

Web Browser: Firefox, often with firejail
Email Client: Thunderbird + Enigmail (for GnuPG), but only because I can't find something less mouse centric with needed features
Terminal: xterm
IDE: vim + make + ctags + cscope + ... More productive than various Eclipse-based IDEs I've used.
toolchain: various GCC cross toolchains. cgdb as front-end for gdb works pretty well
File manager: ranger, but looking for something equally keyboard centric but more refined
Basic Text Editor: vim
IRC/Messaging Client: mcabber. Not a heavy IM user
PDF Reader: evince
Office Suite: LibreOffice, but it's become a slow pig relative to OpenOffice from 5+ years ago
Calendar: Lightning in Thunderbird. Keeping my eye out for a better tool
Video Player: vlc or parole. Use rarely
Music Player: vlc. Use rarely.
Photo Viewer: sxiv. shotwell for picture import from camera
Screen recording: simplescreenrecorder, often with key-mon

Other stuff of note:

Desktop/Window Manager: dwm, with a nice set of extensions, + slstatus + dunst + xss-lock + ...
Virtualization: vagrant, docker
Security: GnuPG + Yubikey, encfs, pass (password-store.org)
Firewall: iptables-persistent
Technical documentation: LateX (via TexLive!)

Metric instead of Imperial by Gunstick · 2017-07-27 02:23 · Score: 1

Make the default into metric system, even if you set language to english.
Every new installation I have to wade through libreoffice settings to get it to print on A4 and measure stuff in mm.

A bigger part of the world uses metric, so linux should too. Canonical has a big influence and could make upstream changes to make this into reality.

I basically like to hit all USA users wanting to print on Letter needing to research this stupid stuff instead of the rest of the world.
But you could create a "Imperial" package which changes all settings to suit the USA 19th century way.

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Music player by fapdafuk · 2017-07-29 07:53 · Score: 1

I like terminal style, so I want to add cmus movies torrent as default music player :D

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