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Kickstarter Campaign Launched To Save NASA's Mission Control (kickstarter.com)

Long-time Slashdot reader yzf750 shares sad news about the facility where NASA conducted the Apollo moon landing in 1969: Mission Control at Johnson Space Center is a wreck and this Kickstarter project is trying to save it. The nearby city of Webster, Texas has promised to match Kickstarter funding up to $400,000. The goal is to raise $250,000 to add to the $3.5 million already budgeted by the city of Webster to restore Mission Control.
Contributors on Kickstarter can receive rewards including models of the Apollo 11 command module, lunch with Apollo flight controllers, VIP tours, or a free download of the documentary Mission Control: the Unsung Heroes of Apollo. The Kickstarter campaign was launched by Space Center Houston, which is also contributing $5 million to preserve what's been called a "cathedral of engineering."

In December the Houston Chronicle noted that though Mission Control is listed in America's National Register of Historic Places, "plans to restore it have been discussed for more than 20 years. But its restoration and preservation remain in limbo, with no set date for work to begin."

37 comments

  1. Houston, We Have A Problem by kackle · · Score: 1

    Just give me a bucket of paint and a 1980s' mix tape for a montage.

    1. Re:Houston, We Have A Problem by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:Houston, We Have A Problem by kackle · · Score: 1

      I admit this crossed my mind.

  2. Not sure why I should fund by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    somebody's pork barrel project. Especially from a State whose House Members and Senators fight against mine. Let's face it, once we could reliably launch satellites there wasn't much point to further space travel outside outside that. Maybe if their Congress Critters would stop trying to shut down Medicare & Medicaid (I've got buddies that depend on it to live) I'd be a little more charitable.

    And yeah, the current climate has made me bitter as hell...

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    1. Re:Not sure why I should fund by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I sympathize with your viewpoint a lot. At the same time, if everyone Blue and Red States decide to not do anything involving money going to the other we'll be in pretty bad shape. On the other hand, it looks almost like the Republicans are trying to make a tax system that disproportionately hits Blue States http://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-ol-le-republican-tax-deductions-plan-20170619-story.html so maybe we're already at that point. Here's my suggestion: if you would have donated to this but won't because of the state, instead donate the same amount to a solar charity. The Solar Electric Light Fund http://self.org/ and Everybody Solar http://www.everybodysolar.org/ are both good options.

    2. Re:Not sure why I should fund by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      While I agree with you in concept, the LA Times article is a bit overblown in terms of impact. Many red states have large tax bites as well, and charities that depend on donations which may drop if they are not tax deductible. Take away the state and local tax deduction in say Georgia or even Ohio and I imaging people will be pissed come tax day...

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    3. Re:Not sure why I should fund by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just to quantify your statement that "some red states" also contribute to the federal budget. Good on you, Kansas.

      The 2017 list of states most dependent on federal support.

      1 Kentucky
      2 Mississippi
      3 New Mexico
      4 Alabama
      5 West Virginia
      6 South Carolina
      7 Montana
      8 Tennessee
      9 Maine
      10 Indiana ...

      41 New Hampshire
      42 Connecticut
      43 Massachusetts
      44 Nevada
      45 Kansas
      46 California
      47 Illinois
      48 New Jersey
      49 Minnesota
      50 Delaware

      https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/

    4. Re:Not sure why I should fund by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Just to quantify your statement that "some red states" also contribute to the federal budget. Good on you, Kansas.

      .

      I never made any statement relative to a state's dependency on federal money; although I agree the red states with their harping on big government stand the most to lose and it would serve them right to be hoist by their own petard. My point was state, local income tax and charitable donations deductions, which was the thrust of TFA goes beyond a red state / blue state issue.

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    5. Re:Not sure why I should fund by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      Isn't it hilarious how States Rights has long been an utterly discredited idea? You might as well announce your KKK membership, that's what states rights means. And now, with Trump, suddenly that's been revealed as a giant lie the whole time, and states rights and federalism are suddenly not only not racist, but super important. It's as if the Left was lying all along about states rights and only desires power, by whatever means necessary.

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    6. Re:Not sure why I should fund by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

      Pork barrel is when they use government money to fund something that directly benefits a single representative's district, not when you use money to benefit the entire district.

      The money comes from 3 sources.

      1) The city of Webster as a whole funds most of it ($3.5 out of $5 million). This is not pork barrel, it is the entire city funding something that will benefit the entire city via tourism.

      2) Kickstarter. This is charity, not pork barrel.

      3) The state of Texas offering $400,000, or approximately 4% using a dollar for dollar match. This could be considered pork barrel, but because a) It is such a small percent of the funding - less than 5%, and b) It is a matching fund that only gets paid if other citizens agree it is worthwhile, then, that means:

      This is not a pork barrel project

      Compare with the bridge to nowhere pork barrel, about $400 million, all from the federal government, to benefit a single town in Alaska.

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  3. I bet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet your fun at partys.

    1. Re:I bet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      *you're, and *parties.

  4. What's the use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In only one more generation, everybody will believe that the moon landings were a hoax, that the holocaust never happened, that the destruction of the twin towers was due to explosives planted by the governement, that forces like gravity don't exist, that climate change is a conspiracy by the evil science conglomerate, that Donald Trump was the greatest philantropist that ever lived, and that the world is flat.

    There is no hope for humanity.

    1. Re:What's the use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't need to wait one more generation. Half of what you said never happened or never happened the "one true way"tm that you think they happened. Your beliefs are not everyone's beliefs. Get over it.

    2. Re:What's the use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Currently about 7% of the American public believes the moon landings were a hoax. That's virtually identical to the 6% from a poll in the 1990's, within the margin of error. Furthermore you can't get more than about 95% of people to agree to anything. If you asked them if humans needed to breathe to stay alive you'd get about 5% saying "uhh... no?"

      But don't let data disturb your beliefs.

    3. Re:What's the use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah yes, the classic "My ignorance is just as valid as your knowledge".

      The only thing I'll have to get over eventually is that there will always be a small proportion of fucktards like yourself in this world.

    4. Re:What's the use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      42% of americans believe in creationism.
      51% (BTW this is the MAJORITY) of americans either believe that climate change doesn't exist, of that it's due strictly to natural causes.

      These numbers are WAY above the normal 5% of trolls/intellectually challanged people you always get in every survey.

      But don't let data disturb your beliefs.

    5. Re:What's the use by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 0

      No, by then the people who believe these things will all be dead of some plague that the rest of us are vaccinated against.

  5. There's no politics here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is preserving history not some red vs. blue argument. So many key things came of the Apollo program and while it was driven for cold war purposes the people involved in accomplishing it on the ground were heroes to science. I'm surprised this isn't a national park supported fully by tax dollars but I'm happy to back it. Can't wait to see it restored for the big 5-0!

    1. Re: There's no politics here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm amazed that this isn't a UN world heritage site. It certainly should be, and be preserved by the world for the world.

  6. Getting closer, but not quite what we had in mind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember those bumper stickers that said, "It will be a great day when the air force needs to have a bake sale to buy more bombs"?

    This is sort of along those lines, but not quite what we envisioned.

    Here we see, thanks to trump, that amerikkka has to essentially have a bake sale to preserve a key component in the most important achievement in the history of mankind. The government, headed by trump, can't even spare $4 million to help with this project. Sad.

  7. Underwhelming perks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, but the perks seem like BS to me given that an annual membership is only 35 USD. I want the world to remember what scientists and engineers have been able to accomplish when given full backing and freed from monetary constraints. On the other hand this looks like they are just going to blow the money on some kind of project that is going to overrun on costs and schedule.

  8. Having worked at JSC by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

    I hope they are successful. Interestingly, the first reaction you get when you see the MCR for the first time is "Wow, it's small." A wide angle lens at the rear makes it look bigger than it is.

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    1. Re:Having worked at JSC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I once had the VIP tour 20 years ago. It was small and dilapidated then. Frankly it's not much worth saving. Nobody cared then, nobody much cared after the Apollo missions were done, and I seriously doubt the ghetto culture in America gives a crap or even believes than anyone ever set foot on the moon.

      Actually in Texas many don't believe much in any science or technology, except oil and gas fracking and refining.

    2. Re:Having worked at JSC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I took a tour about 5 years ago or so, had a look through the draws etc, saw the old fading manuals, bits of junk falling apart that had just been left.
      The thing is, if everything in there looks new and shiny, it will take away a lot of what makes it so special

  9. Hey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We could have Mexico pay for it.

  10. Maybe I just lack the nostalgia gene... by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    I don't think everything from the past needs to be turned into a museum. Lots of old technology hits the scrap heap.

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    1. Re:Maybe I just lack the nostalgia gene... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. It's interesting what ends up in the scrap heaps of History.
      For the Cosmotron at Brookhaven, and the Bevatron at Berkeley, Rodenstock constructed two very special 760MM APO-Ronar Lenses. The 12 Zeiss 60MM Biogon Lenses with the rear Reseau Plates that went to the Moon were almost Production Line in comparison.

      Well, Berkeley got the Nobel; their Rodenstock Lens captured the evidence of our production of our first Anti-Protons. Common enough these days, I suppose.
      Well, the Bevatron got scrapped. The many tons of radioactive Shielding Blocks were a problem... what to do with them? Shielding Blocks are Shielding Blocks... So they go on Shielding to this day, at Accelerators elsewhere. And as for that Rodenstock 760MM APO? The one stamped "Rodenstock AEC10 002 217"*? The second and last one made? The Berkeley one? The one that helped Chamberlain and Segre nab that Nobel?

      I just happen to have it right here in my hand. It's hardly even Radioactive any longer.
      They were just going to throw it away in the Scrap Dumpster, and I couldn't let that happen. I worked later with Harry Heckman and that Lens on the Beamlne 26 Streamer Chamber very late at night, trying to keep that damn Film Advance from jamming. To hell with Shielding, we took our cue from the Russians at Dubna. Get through a ricketty Wooden Gate with laughable Interlocks, and all the Shielding that we needed was Black Cloth. Many Layers of it, like a Maze, shielding against Light.
      We were using special 12" 3000ASA Panchrome Film in thousand foot reels. In nine seconds, all that Film Advance had to do was advance one frame at a time, a frame not shielded by six feet of Doped Concrete. (Stray Neutrons play havoc with 3000ASA Panchrome.) The Rodenstock gazed at the Streamer Chamber through a hole bored through that Shielding. Moths were attracted to what was going on in Beamline 26. They kept on jamming up the works.
      The Streamer Chamber used Magic Gas. A certain mixture of Nitrogen, Argon, and Methane enhances Secondary Electron Emission. It's Magic. An APO Lens was essential, to capture in focus everything from Near UV to near IR. Electrons are such silly things, throwing off Photons, as if we were really interested in them. (Actually, Silver at Oxford actually is.) We were interested in the Photons left behind by outraged Electrons in the Atoms of Magic Gas, of any Energy, as something quite exceptional around these parts gave them a kick in the ass. At one time, this was just a result of an angry incomprehensible Particle Soup. We eventually sorted it out. Nowadays, it's just a duller old towpath of the Standard Model. We've seen Quarks now. But not on 3000ASA Panchrome
      I don't lack the Nostalgia Gene. Not at all.

      *AEC Contract 10, (Now DOE Contract 10), the Second Lens, fabricated on January 7, 1952.

  11. Virtual Reality by spire3661 · · Score: 1

    Re-create/Scan it for VR with movie-grade assets (pared down for the current level tech, we can always scale up later) and be done with it. This would even give people the proper scale of standing in Mission Control. All the wide-angle shots make it seem bigger.

    No physical location to maintain, and anyone in the world can 'visit' easily.

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    1. Re: Virtual Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of sites could do with preserving this way in addition to the physical sites, with a modest fee to access the virtual version for upkeep, and educational dispensations. A friend of mine works on auralisation and so sites can even sound authentic, and we are at the point with gesture control such that moving through the space can be natural.

  12. Mostly False by fermion · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The summary appears to be mostly false, at least by what I have seen and what the linked articles says.

    "Mission Control at Johnson Space Center is a wreck " is highly misleading. I don't think there has been unlimited access to the area since I was a kid. Last time I went there you had to pay Space Center Houston a fee and take a lame tour. The kickstarter money, according to the linked article, will be spent acquiring equipment and furniture so they can"accurately portraying how the area looked the moment the moon landing took place on July 20, 1969." While this is a fine goal, I really doubt that they are going to do any net good. Tearing out fragile equipment that no one understand anymore and replacing it with even more fragile equipment that someone got off eBay, claiming that it is original. Seems like someone is obsessed with period instruments.

    I am really concerned with a bunch of unskilled amateurs tearing apart mission control. It is part of my life and part of the gulf coast legacy. Sure, if there is damage and existing items need to stabilized or restored go for it. But if we are going to recreate something to make it better tourist trap, that it a problem.

    I think that the priority will be tourist over historical integrity. The area has been really pushing for tourist dollars, heavily advertising i the boardwalk and expanding amenities. It is embarrassing to admit, but Space Center Houston is crap, and one reason is that it does prioritize aesthetics over the science. This is fine for the audience, little kids, but now they want to destroy mission control. Restore, yes. Try to return it to a the way it looked on a certain day? Madness. Like all engineering pursuit, Mission Control was always a work in progress, and pretending you can retcon it for tourist dollars is delusional.

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    1. Re:Mostly False by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to see it converted into a Firmament Museum, teaching the controversy about whether stars are "really" huge globes of burning coal, like scientists say, or if they are little sparkly jewels embedded in the firmament 500 miles away.

  13. Wasn't this something that made america great? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe it can be, again with the right kind of kickstarter project.

  14. Texas Wasted Homeland Security Money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From a state that has wasted so much federal funds, no way.

    Texas Wasted Homeland Security Money On Sports Cars, Neckties, And A Hog Catcher.

    https://thinkprogress.org/after-9-11-perrys-texas-wasted-homeland-security-money-on-sports-cars-neckties-and-a-hog-catcher-9304068ab9f8

    (Sarcasm on) I would rather Kickstart a madrassa in Pakistan. At least you get what's on the box. (/sarcasm off)

  15. Can we start a kickstarter against this kickstarte by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can we start a kickstarter campaign to fund an effort to stop these people? The control room ought to be maintained as-is in the configuration in which it was operating. How is it better to have people who know nothing about it muck around and try to make it "look" like the Apollo era?