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Google Enters Race For Nuclear Fusion Technology (theguardian.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian: Google and a leading nuclear fusion company have developed a new computer algorithm which has significantly speeded up experiments on plasmas, the ultra-hot balls of gas at the heart of the energy technology. Tri Alpha Energy, which is backed by Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen, has raised over $500 million in investment. It has worked with Google Research to create what they call the Optometrist algorithm. This enables high-powered computation to be combined with human judgement to find new and better solutions to complex problems. Working with Google enabled experiment's on Tri Alpha Energy's C2-U machine to progress much faster, with operations that took a month speeded up to just a few hours. The algorithm revealed unexpected ways of operating the plasma, with the research published on Tuesday in the journal Scientific Reports. The team achieved a 50% reduction in energy losses from the system and a resulting increase in total plasma energy, which must reach a critical threshold for fusion to occur.

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  1. Speeded.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    *twitch*

    1. Re:Speeded.... by sanosuke001 · · Score: 2

      Man I'm glad I wasn't the only one; it made me want to punch a baby...

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    2. Re: Speeded.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Cite the OED and the point shall be conceded.

      The dictionary doesn't cover grammar, but it is clearly in there as a word:
      http://www.dictionary.com/browse/speeded

      "verb (used with object), sped or speeded, speeding."

      Then there's the usage:
      http://grammarist.com/usage/sped-speeded/

      Not to mention you seem to be under the mistaken belief that a words existence follows the dictionary, instead of the other way around.
      Again, if you don't understand a topic...

    3. Re:Speeded.... by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And really other than historical accident there's no compelling reason for irregular verb conjugations. We should be saying speeded, eated, etc. Some are awkward to say, such as "goed", but most are pointless and make English as a second language that much harder to learn. This is also true for the crazy spelling.

  2. So Google is now working on: by Spy+Handler · · Score: 4, Informative

    Fusion reactor
    Curing cancer
    Life extension (fountain of youth)
    Driverless cars
    Flying cars
    Sentient AI

    Did I miss anything?

    1. Re:So Google is now working on: by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      Does Sergei Brin own a cat?

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    2. Re:So Google is now working on: by sheramil · · Score: 3, Funny

      Fusion reactor Curing cancer Life extension (fountain of youth) Driverless cars Flying cars Sentient AI

      Did I miss anything?

      Sexbots

      Faster-than-light travel

      Nanotechnology

      Atomic-powered jetpacks

      Apps, apps and more apps, because APPS!

    3. Re:So Google is now working on: by rkordmaa · · Score: 2

      They made their business by pulling the rug from under previous search engine giants and they know same could happen to them one day. They need the next money machine in case that happens, they have money to invest so they do, fishing for the next moonshot. Its completely sound business strategy in their position. If any of these listed goals actually plays out, they should be golden regardless to what happens with their search core business in the long run.

  3. Yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now it's only 49 years away from commercial use!

  4. Well, great, except for one thing by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google's corporate attention span is roughly equivalent to that of a hyperactive two year old.

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    1. Re:Well, great, except for one thing by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      for things that are of no benefit to its business, yes.

      let me guess, your favorite free google toy-thingie's plug was pulled.

  5. To be precise... by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    Oxford lost all credibility years ago.

    808 years ago ;-)

  6. Stamping out Zika by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Informative

    Fusion reactor
    Curing cancer
    Life extension (fountain of youth)
    Driverless cars
    Flying cars
    Sentient AI

    Did I miss anything?

    They just released 20 million modified mosquitos in an attempt to wipe out Aegypti and eliminate Zika in Long Beach Ca.

    1. Re:Stamping out Zika by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      Modified how? Lasers?

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    2. Re:Stamping out Zika by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They just released 20 million modified mosquitos in an attempt to wipe out Aegypti and eliminate Zika in Long Beach Ca.

      Not wipe out, wipe out this year. We're talking about a non-native species that can fly and which is easily transported upon humans or in their possessions. It'll be back. I don't think what Google did was harmful, I just don't think it will turn out to have been worth the effort. You'll have Zika mosquitoes back in a hot minute.

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  7. It's really weapon research by johanw · · Score: 2

    Inertial fusion attempts will never be able to compete against tokamak or stellarator designs. This type of experiments delivers knowledge that is mostly usefull for nuclear weapons, so it's no wonder nthat this type of fusion research is the dominant one in the US.

    1. Re:It's really weapon research by joe_frisch · · Score: 4, Informative

      Tri-Alpha isn't doing inertial confinement fusion. They use a plasma based design with an unusual field configuration (termed "reversed field". The machine does collide two plasmas but it is still magnetic confinement, not inertial.

      Laser driven inertial has little chance of being practical without a huge breakthrough in lasers. Heavy ion driven inertial could potentially work since accelerators can be quite efficient, but there are a number of huge hurdles.

  8. Re:Google Nukes . . . by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

    Huh? A Farnsworth Fuser can produce neutrons and can be made in most physics labs. I'd be very surprised if any company working on fusion doesn't have at least one.

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  9. Re:Prometheus, Icarus and Hubris by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

    The Wendelstein setup looks very promising, been following that thing since they started their experiments. Plus, it looks like what you'd get if you asked Giger and Gaudí to collaborate on the design. Extra points. But at this stage I wouldn't even write off tokamaks just yet.

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  10. Them again? by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    > Tri Alpha Energy, which is backed by Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen

    The design leads of TriAlpha described their design in a late 1997 paper in Science.
    http://science.sciencemag.org/content/278/5342/1419

    Issues over the next year contained responses from other researchers. They invariably point out that the design simply will not work. In one specific instance, the original paper describes the "Q" of the reactor running on p-B to be about 2.3. One of the responses goes into this calculation in depth and calculates it to be 0.02.
    http://science.sciencemag.org/content/281/5375/307

    This system will not work. As demonstrated at about the same time, it is HIGHLY unlikely any non-thermal-equilibrium system ever can due to massive energy losses through radiation. We've known this for almost 70 years, but the evidence by this point in time is absolutely overwhelming.

    1. Re:Them again? by joe_frisch · · Score: 2

      Probably right, but there seems to be some disagreement on the analysis. The key seems to be getting the ion temperature high wihtout heating up the electrons (the colliding plasma rings do this), and then the neutral beam injection can continue to heat ions. There seems to be some disagreement on how to calculate the time for the electrons to reach equilibrium.

      I'd agree at least as far as "unlikely".

      To some extent its a matter of scale. With a sufficiently large plasma I think a variety of configuration will work. (tokomaks, stelerators etc). The question is which will work at the most practical scale. At a sufficiently large scale gravitational confinement works just great...

  11. Re:Race for Fusion? by Lord+Crc · · Score: 2

    ITER, this is where the money should go. Either that, or show us a new structure, and the math/simulations that say it will get to break even more efficiently. Or don't show us... just do it.

    I just watched this presentation yesterday by Dennis Whyte from MIT, and I must say it looked quite promising. His main point was that the recent development of commercially available high-temperature superconductors has radically changed the fusion playing field.

    This is due to HTSC's having much larger operating windows compared to traditional superconductors. This allows one to scale down the reactor size while maintaining the magnetic field strength. And smaller size means cheaper and faster development.

    He probably glossed over some hard problems, but I must admit it sounded a lot more realistic than other fusion proposals I've heard about.

  12. Deja Vu from 1978 by InterGuru · · Score: 2

    As far as I can tell, it looks like a high tech variation of the Trisops machine I worked on 40 years ago.

    Trisops was an experimental machine for the study of magnetic confinement of plasmas with the ultimate goal of producing fusion power. The configuration was a variation of a compact toroid, a toroidal (doughnut-shaped) structure of plasma and magnetic fields with no coils penetrating the center. It lost funding in its original form in 1978.

    The configuration was produced by combining two individual toroids produced by two conical pinch guns, located at either end of a length of Pyrex pipe with a constant magnetic guide field. The toroidal currents in the toroids were in opposite directions, so that they repelled each other. After coming to an equilibrium, they were adiabatically compressed by increasing the external field.
     

  13. Re:I would laugh by ctilsie242 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If fusion were to be able to be done, it would fundamentally change every aspect of our society.

    I will propose an assertion: Energy = wealth.

    If fusion becomes inexpensive and commercially available, perhaps along the "too cheap to meter" line, there would be a lot of things that are doable, which we could do, which we couldn't before:

    1: Desalination plants on a large scale, combined with water pipelines. Once the warlords are out of the way, African droughts and famines would be over, and there would be a lot more arable, fertile land available.

    2: Thermal depolymerization can be used as a very effective way to recycle plastics. Combine that with a ship, and it can actually harvest the plastic in the Pacific Gyre and turn it back into fuel.

    3: Direct CO2 extraction out of the atmosphere, perhaps reusing it as fuels.

    4: The ability to create stuff that would be prohibitivily expensive. Same thing happened with aluminum. Before electricity was available, getting aluminum from bauxite was extremely expensive. With energy cheaply available, titanium would be able to be used more.

    5: The ability to do transportation networks which are wasteful on fuel right now. Cheap fuel + electric vehicles mean a bus service that can even handle rural areas with 1-2 hours on a street.

    So, all, and all, if fusion is available, it will fundamentally change life as we know it, just as electricity changed things. So, it is worth keeping at it.

  14. Re:To be precise... and funny! by openfrog · · Score: 2

    This makes it into my 'ten funniest jokes on Slashdot ever'.

    To understand how clever the parent's joke is, you have to reach the third sentence in the article linked, which you will first believe to be a misdirection, and then realize it to be an insider joke like they have loong liked to pull on each other.

    Of course, if you're from 'there' or 'the other place', you might have caught it at once.

  15. Re:Google Nukes . . . by sexconker · · Score: 2

    Huh? A Farnsworth Fuser can produce neutrons and can be made in most physics labs.

    That's GOOD NEWS for EVERYONE.

  16. Re:I would laugh by painandgreed · · Score: 2

    If fusion were to be able to be done, it would fundamentally change every aspect of our society.

    I will propose an assertion: Energy = wealth.

    If fusion becomes inexpensive and commercially available, perhaps along the "too cheap to meter" line, there would be a lot of things that are doable, which we could do, which we couldn't before:

    OK, but energy will never be "too cheap to meter" unless we develop Tesla (the original guy) wireless energy transfer as the main cost of energy is not the fuel but the lines and infrastructure needed to move the electricity around. My state is almost completely hydro and has no fuel cost and energy to ship elsewhere, but still needed to be metered. Plus fusion has many of the issues that fission has. Fusion plants will also have issues with radioactivity and disposal as we can't really stop neutrons which will be colliding with the rest of the plant.