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Tech Leaders Speak Out Against Trump Ban on Transgender Troops (axios.com)

Technology executives, including Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg and Google CEO Sundar Pichai took to social media to voice their displeasure over President Donald Trump's latest stance on transgendered people in the military.

"I am grateful to the transgender members of the military for their service," Google CEO Sundar Pichai said.
Apple CEO Tim Cook said, "We are indebted to all who serve. Discrimination against anyone holds everyone back."
Brad Smith, Microsoft President and Chief Legal Officer said, "We honor and respect all who serve, including the transgender members of our military."
Salesforce said it "believes in equality for all. We support and thank all U.S. service members, including transgender Americans."
Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg said, "Everyone should be able to serve their country -- no matter who they are."
Veteran entrepreneur Max Levchin urged support for transgender people across party lines. "Trans kids, soldiers etc need our support today and to know they are valued & respected regardless of politics. Let us not be divided."
Uber told news outlet Axios, "We owe the deepest debt of gratitude to all those who volunteer to serve in the US Armed Forces and defend our values. These patriotic Americans deserve to be honored and respected, not turned away because of who they are."
Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey said, "Discrimination in any form is wrong for all of us."

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  1. Re:Cue the outrage! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually it didn't go into effect until July 1, 2017. So it has been over THREE FULL WEEKS since trans were allowed in the military

  2. Re:Cue the outrage! by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 3, Informative

    Humans do not have exactly two genders. Humans have two sexes. Gender identity is a related but distinct phenomenon, and gender expression is a further topic. You've never bothered to do even the slightest bit of research on gender development. Why don't you start with this article, which gives an overview of current medical knowledge. If you have an argument with any research contained therein, please do be specific. This topic is actually fairly interesting from a neurobiological perspective, but having the conversation polluted by uninformed bigotry is, frankly, boring and ineffectual.

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  3. Re:Virtue signaling douche bags by Train0987 · · Score: 4, Informative
  4. Re:Cue the outrage! by argStyopa · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is fairly disingenuous: yes, of course many homosexuals were drafted (and probably transgenders, although that as a legitimate CONCEPT and not a mental illness is relatively new) but in fact one of the few ways to actually successfully avoid the draft was to credibly convince your draft board that you were gay.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    "The United States military had a long-standing policy that service members found to be homosexual or to have engaged in homosexual conduct were to be court-martialed for sodomy, imprisoned and dishonorably discharged. However, with the mobilization of troops following the United States' entry into World War II, it became impractical to convene court-martial boards of commissioned officers and some commanders began issuing administrative discharges instead. Several waves of reform addressing the handling of homosexuals in the military resulted in a 1944 policy directive that called for homosexuals to be committed to military hospitals, examined by psychiatrists, and discharged under Regulation 615-360, section 8 as "unfit for service".[4] It is unknown exactly how many gay and lesbian service members were given blue discharges under this regulation, but in 1946 the Army estimated that it had issued between 49,000 and 68,000 blue discharges, with approximately 5,000 of them issued to homosexuals, while the Navy's estimates of blue-discharge homosexuals was around 4,000. The period of time covered by these estimates is unclear.[5]"

    Hell, this continued well into Korea and even Vietnam, thus the schtick of Klinger and his constant attempt at Section 8 discharge in the popular TV show M*A*S*H.

    So to suggest that "the army goes ahead and drafts LGBTs when they need them" is misleading at best. Historically, even during the draft LGBTs were considered at the very least insane and rejected from service if recognized as such.

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  5. Re:Cue the outrage! by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 4, Informative

    Trivially false. Gender identity is a result of hormonal action upon the brain, and that hormonal response necessarily happens as a separate process after the formation of the genitals. Please review the literature on the subject.

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  6. Re:Virtue signaling douche bags by Vasheron · · Score: 5, Informative
    The why is important. From the second paper you linked,

    The suicide attempt rate among transgender persons ranges from 32% to 50% across the countries. Gender-based victimization, discrimination, bullying, violence, being rejected by the family, friends, and community; harassment by intimate partner, family members, police and public; discrimination and ill treatment at health-care system are the major risk factors that influence the suicidal behavior among transgender persons.

  7. Re:Virtue signaling douche bags by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

    See Train0987's post above for citations.

    Okay, I found the post and well... I'm just starting to dig into the second citation and it is fucking garbage. I had to look at that one because the first site never actually responds. Hmm, with the power of google I found it on scribd. I'll look at that in a minute, but let's talk about the second paper first. Its most relevant sources do not exist. Not just a simple 404, I googled for the ones which they claim directly support the headline and there's nothing, nada, zip and zilch. And the other papers which they claim generally support their claim... don't support their claim. It is a garbage citation and we can safely wipe our asses with it.

    The first citation is of generally higher quality, even though the study it is based upon includes only about 6,500 valid respondents when there are about 1.5 million transgendered people in the USA, and only 75% of those were transgendered people (the rest were other people who describe their gender in complex terms.) Further, it counts suicide attempts, not suicides. The study does not say what you guys want it to say. In particular, it says that the suicide rate among trans respondents was only slightly higher than the rest of the respondents in the study. If you're not going to ban gays from the military, there's no real justification for banning the transgendered.

    Whoops, I actually read the citations! Guess I wasn't supposed to do that.

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  8. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Informative

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  9. Re:Cue the outrage! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Informative

    There isn't a definitive biological definition of sex. Chromosomes, genitals, hormone levels, none of them are clear cut or work on all cases.

    Ask sports bodies like the IOC about it. They have been trying to come up with a biological definition for a century. The current policy is to simply limit testosterone levels in female sports.

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  10. Re:Cue the outrage! by bongey · · Score: 1, Informative

    People with Bulimia should keep throwing up because they think they are too fat. Gender reassignment leads to higher rates of death from cardiovascular disease and suicide, Yep that is good treatment for mental disorder.