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Why Your Call Center is Only Getting Noisier (mckinsey.com)

From a report by research firm McKinsey & Company: Organizations have been investing in all manner of customer-facing technology solutions to replace live calls. Of all operational call-center technologies, digital solutions were ranked as one of the most important over the next five years by four out of five executives. Only agent desktop tools ranked higher. These technologies begin with websites, chat bots, and apps and extend to artificial-intelligence robots that simulate human conversations -- redefining the way organizations interact with customers -- as well as more tried-and-tested functionalities such as improved web, app, or self-service capabilities in interactive voice-response (IVR) systems. And yet, despite this plethora of technology solutions, we see that calls are not going away and instead are catching call-center executives off guard in their efforts to reduce volumes. It's not that a spike in call volumes is necessarily a bad thing. On the contrary, the proliferation of digital tools can awaken previously dormant customers, sparking new inquiries from an engaged customer base. But in many instances, we've also observed that the volumes of unwanted calls exceed what would be expected during a learning period, or remain constant or rise over time, defeating strategic goals and leaving managers bewildered and unable to tie tech investments to improved operational outcomes. Why are so many organizations struggling with reaping the full benefits from these investments? In our experience, the answer often lies in two core areas. First, as companies turn to technology to address call-center volumes, they allow customer experience to take a back seat to digital technology in their operations, creating dissonance in direct customer interaction, where the objective is harmony and efficiency. Second, by counting on technology to solve their call-center issues, executives lose focus on core operations and upset the balance between human interaction and automation in an era of evolved customer service.

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  1. My IQ dropped 10 points after that summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not sure I understand what the problem / issue is.

    1. Re:My IQ dropped 10 points after that summary by sl3xd · · Score: 1

      The issue is McKinsey & Company needs more page hits for this neurotoxin.

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    2. Re:My IQ dropped 10 points after that summary by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Then call Brain Support and ask them why. Oh wait, they are swamped, nevermind.

    3. Re:My IQ dropped 10 points after that summary by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2

      Break out your Buzzword Bingo cards and it's a lot more fun that way.

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    4. Re:My IQ dropped 10 points after that summary by xevioso · · Score: 5, Informative

      The title of the article is about volume as in sound volume or noise. The content is about call center volume as in the amount of people calling in.

      The stupid...it hurts.

    5. Re: My IQ dropped 10 points after that summary by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      For me, msmash is the worst fucking piece of shit editor, and that's hard to do around here.

    6. Re:My IQ dropped 10 points after that summary by cayenne8 · · Score: 1, Flamebait
      I think the only thing I may hate worse than the sing song indian accents that are barely understandable...is the voice robot that answers phones these days, asking that you speak answers to them, rather than simply pushing a button.

      I thought I hated he button thing...but man, having to talk/shout to a computer voice to get through a menu system?

      not only frustrating, but you're having to do it within earshot of people around you, at least with pushing buttons, it is private that you are doing something support related.

      When I get the voice activated menus (VAM?)..i just repeated ask for "operator"...and maybe a motherfucker or two too, as that I've heard some of the systems respond faster to off color language as a sign that the customer is frustrated and needs a human intervention fast......usually that bypasses all the stupid choices and gets me to some human to actually converse with.

      Of course, that human may not be understandable, but hey at least they are human and you can try more than with a VAM.

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    7. Re:My IQ dropped 10 points after that summary by newcastlejon · · Score: 2

      For me it's the "You can find more information on our website at...".

      If your website was worth a damn I wouldn't be waiting in a fucking queue to speak to you!

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    8. Re:My IQ dropped 10 points after that summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think the only thing I may hate worse than the sing song indian accents that are barely understandable...is the voice robot that answers phones these days, asking that you speak answers to them, rather than simply pushing a button.

      I thought I hated he button thing...but man, having to talk/shout to a computer voice to get through a menu system?

      Right... I may quite likely be calling from work - the people next to me don't want to hear me shouting down the phone, and the keypad is quicker.
      Plus, VAMs aren't always accurate : "Did you say you want to schedule a testicle removal?"

    9. Re:My IQ dropped 10 points after that summary by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I was expecting something about the evils of call centers using retarded "open office" no-wall floor plans, or cheap headsets, or something to do with the traditional definition of noise; "loud, confused, or senseless shouting or outcry".

    10. Re:My IQ dropped 10 points after that summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are clone #571,284,321 spawned just last Tuesday. We downloaded a mix of the memories from clones #71,230,128 and #13,100,571 to give you a "unique" identity. Your sole purpose is to serve in the call center. Do not dwell anymore on your identity or it will make you dysfunctional and then we will have to reboot your existence.

    11. Re:My IQ dropped 10 points after that summary by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      I pay about ten percent more for house and car insurance because no automation, you call them and a reception answers with a regular everyday accent, finds out what you need and puts you right through to exactly the person, in the right department, you actually need to speak to. Considering how much extra it costs versus the time saving on my end (waiting on hold, spending a whole bunch of time keying through shit automation systems and finally one wrong press, wrong person and start again). I am older and I can tell you that old fashioned receptionist makes calling in so much faster and better, the amount extra you spend is more than truly regained in the amount of your time you save. I also do not computer check out, preferring to employ a person rather than another computer. I am shifting some other digital to personal interactions upon the same basis. Automation works from their view point but it is mostly shite from the end user view point.

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    12. Re: My IQ dropped 10 points after that summary by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      Philip k dick lives, and he comments on Slashdot

  2. WTF by sl3xd · · Score: 1

    Seriously... WTF is this. More slashvertising?

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    1. Re:WTF by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      It's not very good slashvertising. No one reads the fucking articles. I only looked at the link when I tried to figure how this was slashvertising.

  3. Re:Do ppl really use this shit?? by sl3xd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It solves one thing: It makes the customer go away.

    This is a primary goal for many businesses - provide the facade of providing customer service, while actually telling them to go frak themselves.

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  4. Re:Do ppl really use this shit?? by green1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The best customers are the ones who never call.

    Why bother keeping your worst customers?

  5. Re:Chatbots are less useful web interfaces, not te by sl3xd · · Score: 2

    That's good because chat bots aren't there to solve your problem either.

    They're all there to make you go away; you gave them your money, and they want to keep as much as possible. That's only possible if you piss off.

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  6. Re:Do ppl really use this shit?? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    I've yet to encounter a trouble-shooting AI bot. Can anyone recommend a registration-free instance so I can kick the tires? Preferably, a reasonably good one, if that's even possible.

  7. Re:Chatbots are less useful web interfaces, not te by green1 · · Score: 1

    Don't worry, their live human won't be able to help you either, as they're really just reading off a script at this point with no ability to deviate from it.
    If you're lucky, the 3rd or 4th tier above them will be able to actually deviate from the script and provide actual support. You know, the kind you used to get from the first person who answered the phone.

  8. Re:If your first line is "Turn off, then turn back by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Hello? My broom just broke after a dozen sweeps.
    Have you tried turning it off and on again?

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  9. call center - lazy gits by iggymanz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ISP jerked me around for weeks reseting my modem which showed noisy / lossy line. Then they made me drive to an office of theirs to switch modems, new modem had same problem as old modem of course. Finally I posted on newly created twitter account with just the right hashtag to put my tweet in stream with their marketing spew, and presto, tech came and ran a new line (old one chewed up by squirrels) within 48 hours.

    So now you know what to do.....

    1. Re:call center - lazy gits by sexconker · · Score: 1

      ISP jerked me around for weeks reseting my modem which showed noisy / lossy line. Then they made me drive to an office of theirs to switch modems, new modem had same problem as old modem of course. Finally I posted on newly created twitter account with just the right hashtag to put my tweet in stream with their marketing spew, and presto, tech came and ran a new line (old one chewed up by squirrels) within 48 hours.

      So now you know what to do.....

      Kill the squirrels?

    2. Re:call center - lazy gits by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 2

      Kill the wabit

    3. Re:call center - lazy gits by mrbester · · Score: 1

      It's duck season!

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    4. Re:call center - lazy gits by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      wabbit season!

    5. Re:call center - lazy gits by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      illegal where I live. and squirrels are cute. ISPs are not cute, and legal to "hunt" their reputation on social media

    6. Re:call center - lazy gits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Having previously worked in a few call centers prior to starting my career, I would say there is a lot of variation on how lazy the individual on the opposite end of the line actually is.

      There are two classes of call centers: in-house and third-party. The former is usually found in higher tier technical support, relatively new companies, or after a "customer service" focus revamp. The latter is pretty much for any other tier or time. In-house technical support usually has slightly more ability to help (except when they don't) and higher "handle times," this is, the average amount of time they are allowed to help the caller before they start risking their job. Faster the person can get the caller off of the phone, less this is a problem for them, for both types of call centers.

      When I worked at a 3rd party caller center, providing service for a cable company that no longer exists, my maximum average handle time was 300 seconds (5 minutes); within that time I had to greet the caller, pull up an account, apologize profusely for any problems, solve the problem while avoiding scheduling a service call if it all possible (you didn't get in trouble for scheduling a service-call unless it was deemed by the tech "solvable over the phone," which is in the eye of the beholder), "upsell" the caller (higher tier package, ppv, etc), give slogans and good byes while notating the account and get them off of the phone fast, quick, and in a hurry.

      To juxtapose, when I worked for one of the in-house call centers, I had a 900 seconds (15 minute) handle time. Originally, there weren't mandatory up-sells, but there were intensives for doing them (a few cents to the next paycheck). Since it was an internet service provider, up-sells were limited anyways. During the earlier time there, the technicians solved minor computer network problems, modem problems (modem provisioning was the most common, but sometimes the modem just crashed; both were fixed by reprovisioning the modem and having the caller power-cycling with it unplugged for at least 10 seconds [capacitors]), wiring problems (including simply not having the modem plugged-in), and then the occasional actually needed service call. Later we gained a "tier 2" that handled more complicated networking issues and modem replacements. Some problems were internal network problems that actually stopped the internet for groups of customers, those could only be fixed by the network operations (and sometimes a entire group of local techs if the problem was caused by someone digging where they aren't supposed to do as opposed to a routing malfunction). It was easier to actually solve caller's problems, sometimes we even had spare time to solve unrelated problems noticed during troubleshooting. Later, at the same call center, attrition resulted in less knowledgeable techs that could only follow scripts. People gradutated from college, better techs found NOC (network operations) jobs, tier 2 jobs elsewhere, etc. In my case, I internally transferred to their software development department once their was an opening (I had finished my degree during the previous call center, but the area isn't exactly a tech oasis, more like farms and beaches).

      As for social media, usually there is a dedicated team for handling that, usually in-house. They usually monitor the social media and either work the issue themselves or create a ticket that can be worked asynchronously (and thus higher volume) by a second or third support tier. Better companies do not like to be publicly shamed and are sensitive to it; however, I have seen dark days where such is either ignored or results in tech support, but very abrasive support. Those companies are no longer in business and I work at a better place now.

      Long story short, initial phone support usually can give scripted support for simple problems. The usually are backed by a more knowledgeable tier 2 support. The tier 2 support is usually much smaller and always are completely swapped (never given enough man power as tier 1 is supposed to filter)

    7. Re:call center - lazy gits by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      They should make wiring taste like skunks, then critters wouldn't munch it.

  10. More /. greying by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    This is something middle management is really concerned about. /. is mostly middle managers by now since most of us where forced out of tech by the influx of cheap Visas forced us to move on from the nuts and bolts of tech and into management. Automating work done by call centers is the new hotness right now for tech managers.

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    1. Re:More /. greying by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      It's the low level minions who get spit up and chewed out in favor of H1Bs.

      Doesn't matter how good you are. When you hit 40 you're either going to live in management or be outsourced to younger 'more capable' H1Bs.

      Failing to understand that perception is reality in the corporate world tells me you are posting from an imaginary idea of the workplace that's hiring the H1Bs.

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  11. Here's an idea by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about when you direct people to your web page to try and solve their issue, you give them useful information.

    One can use Microsoft as a prime example of the hoops one has to jump through to find a simple solution. If the question is, "How do I add a mailbox to Outlook?", the page should not start with:

    A shared mailbox can be a practical solution for any business with groups of people working from different locations. With the right permissions, any person in a group can access a shared mailbox that appears in their address book. The shared mailbox is automatically available in the Folder pane in Outlook. (taken directly from the Microsoft page)

    No one cares about a "practical solution". They want to know how to add a mailbox to Outlook. Nor do they care about why one should use a shared mailbox. They asked how to add a mailbox. In fact, nowhere on the page does it tell you how to add a mailbox. It does everything but that.

    If you want your call center volume to go down, provide useful information, information which is not buried ten menus deep or stuck in some corner with an obscure name.

    You know why people keep calling you? Because your information pages technology sucks. That's why.

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    1. Re:Here's an idea by war4peace · · Score: 1

      That's one reason out of many.
      Here's why people call, in a nutshell:
      - It's less of a hassle to call and be helped by a human person than dig through umpteen web pages, each giving you a different solution which doesn't work.
      - Cultural reasons: when even your batch of toilet paper has a helpdesk toll-free phone number, you become educated to call every time you have an issue.
      - Laziness: calling helpdesk makes someone else do the work for you in fixing whatever problem you have.
      - Focus: you're less likely to be disturbed by others while on a call than while you search the web for a solution.
      - Speed: if you want your issue to go away quickly, calling is a much faster method than creating a ticket and having to wait an unknown amount of time for a response.

      The only thing that comes close to calling (and I actually prefer it) is live chat.

      And here's a bunch of stuff companies do wrong in their attempts to deflect calls:
      - Bad knowledge management search solution: many large companies are too proud to use an established search solution (such as customized google search) or are in direct competition with another company which offers such a solution, so they implement their own shitty knowledge management. I can't understand, for the life of me, why Wikimedia isn't used more often - it's great as a knowledge management solution.
      - They make you wait and go through hoops to reach an agent, instead of offering support tiers, such as level zero (free but you wait a lot) versus level 1 (call this number and pay X cents a minute).
      - They race to the bottom in terms of cost, ending up with agents at the bottom range of intelligence who can barely speak $LANGUAGE and can only follow a script, basically bots with a human brain (last part being debatable but legally correct) - this doesn't deflect calls, it actually frustrates customers and increases the amount of calls, because people would just end the call and retry hoping to get that 1-in-10 agent who isn't braindead.
      - (derived from the above) lack of understanding of the term "culture clash": same result as above.

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    2. Re:Here's an idea by quonset · · Score: 1

      How is the OP a liar? Their question was how to add a mailbox to Outlook. There was no need to go into why one should use shared mailboxes, or the benefits of a shared mailbox.

      Also, one can add a mailbox to Outlook without needing to be an admin. Yes, the admin has to create the mailbox, but one can then add it to Outlook on their own with the proper steps. Which the article does not describe.

      So no, the OP was spot on.

    3. Re:Here's an idea by swell · · Score: 1

      It's very simple to create an alias to your existing outlook account. Don't ask me how, I did it yesterday and my memory doesn't reach that far. Perhaps a search for 'alias' in conjunction with 'outlook'. But there's more:

      If your old email was xxx@outlook.com, and you create an alias called yyy@outlook.com, you can also make yyy your primary email address. All your MS account info remains the same- still only one password to deal with.

      You may think I'm clever to have discovered this, but I'm not clever enough to get access to my MS email. For days I've been corresponding with Support to clear my account. Outlook.live.com tells me that I must submit a phone number to get a code to access my email. I don't have a phone that can receive a code. Support people are asking me to debug my browsers, try other computers ... everything except fixing the web site. I'm pretty sure they want the phone number to add to their hoard of personal information.

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    4. Re:Here's an idea by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      When I just did a Google search on "How do I add a mailbox to Outlook?" (with the quotes) I only get two results...one is not Microsoft and the other is this Slashdot article. Maybe my Google is broken?

    5. Re:Here's an idea by sexconker · · Score: 1

      He linked to a page about adding a SHARED mailbox, which is something only admins can do, then claimed that page DOESN'T answer the question when it in fact does.

      So no, the OP was not "spot on".

      Further, if you Bing "How do I add a mailbox to Outlook?" you get the following right in front of your face. It's actual content on the top of the results page, not a regular search result, extracted from their support forum (see the poor grammar):

      How Add mailbox to Outlook?

              On the File menu, point to Open, and then click Other User's Folder.
              Type the name of the person you are sending the message on behalf of, or click Name to select the name from the Global Address List.
              Click OK.
              Add the other user's folder to your Navigation Pane. On the Tools menu, click Account Settings. On the E-mail tab, click the Exchange account, and then ...

      Manage another person's mail and calendar items - Outlook

  12. Article Summary by EndlessNameless · · Score: 1

    I read that painfully bloated article, and it is very simple.

    Either are buying tech to solve the wrong problems, or they are not updating processes across the enterprise when new tech is deployed.

    This is not news. People have been doing this before I entered the workforce, and they will probably continue to do it long after I am dust.

    And then there is this gem:

    "It is no surprise, then, that more than 60 percent of customer-care leaders we surveyed are skeptical about eliminating inbound voice calls in the next ten years."

    I would be skeptical about eliminating voice calls in my lifetime. Who seriously thinks this is within arms' reach?

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    1. Re:Article Summary by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 1

      At first it felt like by being annoying to their customers calling in, the customers would give up calling in and deal with suffering. Sounds like people are fed up to the max and are calling in more because of more problems.

      It all comes back to poor service. If you provide a great service, you get less calls. If your provide a bad service, you get more calls. If your call-in number provides even worse service, you get even more calls because nothing gets resolved.

      HELLO COMPANIES OF THE WORLD, provide good quick reliable service, in the field and on the phone, customers will be more happy, and you'll get less angry calls.

  13. Re:Do ppl really use this shit?? by rpresser · · Score: 1

    The best company is one that never calls you. Why bother buying from the worst companies?

  14. Re:I just fucked a puppy by Desler · · Score: 1

    Was his name BeauHD or EditorDavid?

  15. Confused editor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Headline: Why Your Call Center is Only Getting Noisier

    Summary: It's not that a spike in call volumes is necessarily a bad thing. On the contrary, the proliferation of digital tools can awaken previously dormant customers, sparking new inquiries from an engaged customer base. ... [I]n many instances, we've also observed that the volumes of unwanted calls exceed what would be expected during a learning period, or remain constant or rise over time...

    msmash, you _do_ know that there are _three_ definitions for "volume", right?

  16. Re:Do ppl really use this shit?? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

    It will certainly make me go away. I tend to give my money to places that have better customer service, when possible.

    I almost always buy RAM from Mushkin. Back when they sold direct, they actually had a real live person answer their phone. On top of that, they were very easy to understand, and actually knew what they were talking about. Even if/when they were the more expensive option, they always got my money.

    If my choice is to pay a little more for a product from a business that has pleasant people who know what they're talking about, or pay less and deal with an automated system, or a company that will (maybe) call me back in a couple of days. I'll pay more money to the company with better service almost every time. Unfortunately in many cases, there is no company that has good customer service for the product I'm looking for.

  17. Simple by epyT-R · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Thanks to those modern cost saving measures, most now know to try solving the problem themselves first, with web searches and trial by error. As a result, by the time they call, they are desperate and no automated chatbot or menu will help them. In fact they increase frustration because the goal at that point is to talk to a more knowledgeable human.

    1. Re:Simple by houghi · · Score: 1

      OTOH if you make it extremely easy and cheap to call, people will call with the following "Hello, my PC does not work. I just restarted it. Can you please wait." Then you are on the phone for 3 minutes and the customer does his thing and then you hear "OK, It seems to be working now. Thanks. "

      The reason for the IVR is often because the big people do not understand what the IVR is for and the people who do are unable to explain it to them.

      It starts with data. They want to know all the numbers even if they have no idea what they mean or if they are good or bad and why. So then they invest in the IVR and they think they can use it to see why people call. You can't. The only way to do that somewhat correct is by logging when the customer tells you why he called and even that can be a challenge.

      The next thing to ask these big chiefs is to WHAT they are going to do with those numbers. Most of the time the answer is 'nothing'.

      I have had to program an IVR where the people had to select language (Not uncommon in Belgium), after that a choice of 4 options. After that again 3 options for each choice. They would then be transferred to the 3 (Yes 3) identical same people that received around 15 calls per day in total. Yeah, those 15 people where not happy. No IVR would have been a lot better and cheaper. Yes, I tried to explain. They still ignored experience.

      That said, at another company the CEO told me "I have no idea what you are talking about. I trust you as you have the experience. Do what you think is the best solution to get us the following information ..." The information for different people was different. Agent, Supervisor, Manager, CEO, Marketing, ...

      So yes, there are companies who do it right, but it is so much easier to do it wrong. It is so much easier to say 'we have invested in this thing and it can log the difference between people who click on 1 for service and 2 for sales and numbers don't lie.' and forget the fact that people click on almost anything.

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  18. B...b...b...buzzwords! by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 2
    Arrggg, the paaaiinnnn!
    • digital solutions
    • artificial-intelligence
    • redefining
    • proliferation
    • awaken
    • sparking
    • engaged
    • strategic
    • improved operational outcomes
    • customer experience
    • dissonance
    • harmony
    • core operations
    • evolved customer service
  19. Re:Chatbots are less useful web interfaces, not te by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

    Yeah. First you get customer service, then support help level 1 and then they transfer you to level 2 whose calls are routed to what I firmly believe is the level 1 guys again but with the hope that the next level 1 guy is a bit more knowledgeable through outside skills. Then you get told it will cost you 100 to send someone out to your house as they no longer have level 3 help. At this point, I have usually found the answer via google or one of those youtube videos (which I used to swear against but now appreciate.)

  20. Re:Chatbots are less useful web interfaces, not te by green1 · · Score: 1

    I used to work on an ISP help desk many, many years ago. If you asked to escalate to a manager or a higher level of support we would quite literally put you on hold, look around the room and ask our co-workers who felt like being a "manager" today, we'd then transfer the person to our co-worker who was at the same level as we were.

    Of course this was back in a time when we didn't work off scripts, and were hired for our extensive knowledge of the systems and software we were supporting. If we couldn't figure it out, there simply wasn't anyone higher up to send you to.

    Things are very different today, I don't think there are any call centres left where the first level people do anything other than follow a script, and it's highly unlikely any of them were hired for their in depth technical knowledge.

  21. Re:Chatbots are less useful web interfaces, not te by JackieBrown · · Score: 2

    We do the same once they reach a high enough level where I work.

    It's pretty much if there is nothing we can do, then there really is nothing we can do.

    The problem is that so many companies put people that are not empowered on the front lines that customers expect to be able to hear a yes after being told no if they climb high enough. If there weren't so many fake no's being told, this wouldn't happen but I imagine it does weed out probably 8-90 percent of complainers.

  22. Noises. by antdude · · Score: 1

    I thought this was about background sounds from call center calls. :/

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  23. Re:Do ppl really use this shit?? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    That's true. And as a customer, I take that to heart. If the business can't be bothered to provide reasonable customer support, and just wants me to go away, I will -- to a competitor.

    I've stuck with some vendors simply because when I call their tech support, a knowledgeable, articulate human being answers. And I've dropped vendors who make it unreasonably difficult to talk to a knowledgeable support person when necessary. If only upper management wouldn't continue to trap us in long term contracts with vendors who don't give a crap. They do it because it's our job to wrestle with the consequences of their decisions.

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  24. Re:Do ppl really use this shit?? by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

    This is exactly why I am now a big fan of Dell's enterprise support. US-based call centers, follow-up calls, 24x7 support, etc. Once I spent 22 hours on a call while they rebuilt three virtual machines by "hand" (since we were still using 5.5), that day the warranty "paid for itself". We eventually ended up with someone in India for the high-level ESXi support but still, the tech really knew his craft. I was sad when Dell sold off Sonicwall, but so far Sonicwall support still seems pretty decent.

  25. Re:Do ppl really use this shit?? by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

    Maybe you should dust off your old phreaking skills, or use an app like ToneDef on your Android phone? Not that you should "have to" use some specialized app jist to navigate a system like that...

    This sounds like a failure of the vendor's system; I've used dozens of support systems with various Android phones and never had that issue.

  26. I know why call centers are noisier by t0qer · · Score: 1

    I cut my teeth doing ISP support for the ricochet wireless modem in the 90's, and I saw first hand how support was regarded by the C level execs.

    We all started out with normal, 10x10 cubicles. Then they wanted to pack more people into the space, so they reduced us to 2 per cube. Then they wanted to reduce that even further, and put us all in individual wall stations that were about 1' deep by 2' wide. After that job, I started seeing this become the norm for most support departments.

    So in short, they increased the floor density of call centers, which made the noise worse.

    1. Re:I know why call centers are noisier by coofercat · · Score: 2

      (I apologise if this comes off as a slashvertisment - I don't work for Google, and I'm only just starting out as a customer of theirs, so I've yet to see how good/bad they really are)

      I had a chat with some Google folk about their cloud services. They told me that to them, the need for a support call was a 'bug'. They want to keep support as expensive for them as possible so that they're motivated to avoid it. They only staff with pretty senior people, and of course those people are able to (programatically) solve the problems customers call them with.

      It may all have been sales chatter, but it was quite refreshing to hear that someone was actually treating support as something other than a cost centre. They're using it as a feedback mechanism to improve their products and the documentation - which is what support always should be, its just that very few companies actually do that, and most of them end up doing the things you're talking about, as if making the support job as shit as possible would somehow make their customers happier or more productive.

  27. Re:Do ppl really use this shit?? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    I meant an online product support chat-bot, not a physical bot like R2D2.

  28. English Please! by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

    Was that summary even in English? EXAMPLE:

    ...defeating strategic goals and leaving managers bewildered and unable to tie tech investments to improved operational outcomes...

    The example clause has absolutely no actual meaning. None, whatsoever.

    1. Re:English Please! by Tunefix · · Score: 1

      Sure it has meaning: The real world did not match with what was decided in a high-level meeting, and even after using money on computer-stuff, staff can't be reduced.

  29. Re:Chatbots are less useful web interfaces, not te by green1 · · Score: 1

    Thing is. This wasn't "high enough level" this was the front line. We were the first, last, and only level of support.