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Subscription Journals Are Doomed Because of Sci-Hub's Big Cache of Pirated Papers, Suggests Data Analyst (sciencemag.org)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Science Magazine: There is no doubt that Sci-Hub, the infamous -- and, according to a U.S. court, illegal -- online repository of pirated research papers, is enormously popular. But just how enormous is its repository? That is the question biodata scientist Daniel Himmelstein at the University of Pennsylvania and colleagues recently set out to answer, after an assist from Sci-Hub. Their findings, published in a preprint on the PeerJ journal site on July 20, indicate that Sci-Hub can instantly provide access to more than two-thirds of all scholarly articles, an amount that Himmelstein says is "even higher" than he anticipated. For research papers protected by a paywall, the study found Sci-Hub's reach is greater still, with instant access to 85% of all papers published in subscription journals. For some major publishers, such as Elsevier, more than 97% of their catalog of journal articles is being stored on Sci-Hub's servers -- meaning they can be accessed there for free. In a chat with ScienceInsider, Himmelstein concludes that the results of his study could mark "the beginning of the end" for paywalled research.

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  1. The Beginning of the End by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's about time...

    1. Re:The Beginning of the End by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The university libraries will still keep paying the subscription fees, and researchers will keep paying for the privilege of surrendering copyright.
      Elsevier's business model isn't going anywhere.

    2. Re:The Beginning of the End by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This. Apart from universities or other research organizations who's buying scientific articles? I know I as someone not associated with a university I can theoretically get access to research legitimately by paying far out the ass for a journal subscription or individual article, but even if I was one of the five or six people out there regularly in this situation (and scihub wasn't a thing) I'd just drive to the nearest public university library and grab it for free off a computer there. Or, worst case, grab the journal off the shelf and photocopy it.

      If actual scientists are abandoning the normal access options in favor of scihub that can only point to severe user interface problems on the part of the legitimate outlets.

    3. Re:The Beginning of the End by Raisey-raison · · Score: 5, Informative

      I used to work in a lab doing research at a major research university. I worked there and at another lab for eight semesters and three summers. I was not paid - my PI pleaded poverty as he did with all the undergrads. And yet we could not necessarily get all the papers we needed. But I did contribute to some papers directly and indirectly. It's repugnant that I worked for free but couldn't even directly get access to those papers after I left until I went to a graduate program. (Yes, I could email a friend to get a copy but direct access is the point here and they won't do this every week for me for other papers.)

      Later I needed access to some medical papers - which are often even harder to obtain than regular science papers. Again my university did not have access. I had to go across town to another university. But of course I could not logon because they restricted access if you were a student from another institution. In the end I had to hustle and find a computer in their library that was very antiquated located near the printers. It luckily did not have a login requirement. I loaded up about 15 papers onto my flash drive. And it was very scary because the foreign institution was (and still is) so strict about this. I am reminded me of the death of an MIT student. MIT is and was so IP obsessed that it assisted in pushing one of its own to suicide.

      Now I am no longer affiliated with a university, But I do pay lots of $$$ in taxes to the federal government. Somehow paying for the research now, having done previous research for free, and later for graduate student slave wages does not privilege me with the right to obtain papers. I asked many people if there was some way I could pay as an individual a modest fee (of about $500 a year) to get access to all the typical journals for noncommercial use and was told no such program existed. I even called multiple libraries about this. I later needed some information for urgent personal reasons from a journal article and forked over around $45 for it.

      When I brought up how unfair the system was to other people I was either politely ignored, told to stop complaining, or told that IP was necessary and that without high fees the journals could not survive (which is false). Fast forward a few years and now Sci-hub has provided a way for people like me to obtain papers that I have in one way or another already paid for. And suddenly Nature and Elsevier cry crocodile tears. But because they are rich and powerful, people don't condescend to them and insist they stop complaining. The power of campaign finance contributions is so overwhelming.

      The system is broken. IP is out of control - it's even corrupted university faculty who blab on about their own intellectual property and restrict the supply of their lecture notes even when they would not otherwise make money from them. There are many papers demonstrating the over indulgence in IP restrictions. One showed that the optimum copyright should last a mere seven years. Knowledge should be freely available as much as possible when its creation has already been paid for.

      And we could incentivize new idea production with a lot less IP. Drug patents are another example of how it is abused - pharmaceutical companies charge what the market will bear. And that means monopoly pricing. Screaming "free market" will not help you. Giving someone a legal monopoly is not laissez fair. If you are going to give someone extra privileges, there have to be protections to prevent abuses. Lots of people urgently may need journal access like people with rare diseases. It's hard for policy makers on the state or municipal level to make good decisions without ready access to journal articles - I see this firsthand as someone who serves in local government.

      So until there is a realistic alternative that allows wide distribution of knowledge we are stuck with sci-hub. It's almost impossible to have reasonable discussions because all major news outlets are in love with copyright and IP generally and th

    4. Re:The Beginning of the End by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some will, others not. My University (among other German universities) broke up with elseviper this year because the costs were getting significantly higher. So no more scopus and direct paper downloads for us. If possible I will avoid publishing in elseviper journals, at least i have done so since the contract end of our library. I would also stop citing those journals, if that would be acceptable from a quality point of view.

    5. Re:The Beginning of the End by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you saying your research group was publishing papers in journals that your university wasn't subscribed to?

  2. What the hell is the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they want it gone, they can simply seize the domain name or add filters. I keep hearing news about "controversial" sites which "somehow" are still up no matter how many news articles are written about them about how illegal they are. If they actually want a site done, it's gone within seconds.

    1. Re:What the hell is the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Seizing the domain name has been tried, with limited success. You can also access the website directly by IP address.

    2. Re:What the hell is the problem? by heypete · · Score: 4, Informative

      If they want it gone, they can simply seize the domain name or add filters. I keep hearing news about "controversial" sites which "somehow" are still up no matter how many news articles are written about them about how illegal they are. If they actually want a site done, it's gone within seconds.

      Under what jurisdiction would they seize the domain names? Sci-Hub operates under many domains, including those in .ac (Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha, a group of islands in the South Atlantic), .bz (Belize, a Central American country), .cc (the Cocos/Keeling Islands in the Pacific), among others. Of those, .ac has a connection to the UK due to the islands being a UK territory, and .cc's operations are run by VeriSign, a US company.

      The site itself is hosted in Russia, who is unlikely to care about US or EU takedown requests.

      It's also available over Tor, so good luck.

      Seizing the names isn't really feasible.

    3. Re:What the hell is the problem? by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      I would like to see an effort made to make it impossible to seize the data.

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    4. Re:What the hell is the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple, once this pesky net neutrality is repealed, all they have to do is go to all the major ISPs and bribe them to cut access. Filtering text is a simple enough thing to do.

      It's a win for everyone, the ISPs get their bribes, the crooked journals can keep stealing tax money. Everyone is happy. Well except the American public, but they're used to the shaft by now anyway.

    5. Re:What the hell is the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is already impossible to seize it. It is barely possible to temporarily block access to it for some of the US researchers.

    6. Re:What the hell is the problem? by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      I suspect that you are 1 cruise missile away from being wrong.

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    7. Re:What the hell is the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Elsevier isn't quite that paramilitary yet.

    8. Re:What the hell is the problem? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Somebody should invent data replication!

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    9. Re:What the hell is the problem? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      So, two cruise missiles, then.

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    10. Re:What the hell is the problem? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      OMG! Quick ... somebody invent cluster replication, virtual machines, git and off-site backups!

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    11. Re:What the hell is the problem? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      I see your redundancy and raise you a US carrier group.

      XD

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    12. Re:What the hell is the problem? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      You mean like the fact that the publications are torrent-hosted?

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  3. Opportunity cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have access to pretty well every journal I need through my university's library. I still use Sci-Hub. One DOI entry and I can have my paper. 5 minutes of bullshit and jumping through menus to get a preview and abstract, then still need to hunt around on the individual page for download link (if it exists - if its offered as a PDF, not some protected web reader nonsense).

    I'll stick with the pirate way.

    1. Re:Opportunity cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Different AC.

      I'm in a similar situation, except my university's library doesn't subscribe to all the journals I need, or they have odd restrictions. For example, for some of the major journals in my field, university staff and students can access current and past PDF copies of papers back to around the year 2000 or so. Previously-published papers, even when they're available as PDFs, are not available because it costs more for our university. Thus, I have to go to the paper archives, find the printed journal, find the article, and photocopy it. Insurmountable? Not at all, but why waste 30-60 minutes of my time when I can just copy-paste the DOI into Sci-Hub and get the PDF right away?

      Other papers are in conference proceedings and only available in paper form in libraries in foreign countries. Yes, I can (and have) requested interlibrary loans, or have staff in the foreign library find the paper, scan it, and email it to me (my institution pays for this), but why should this even be necessary? Again, DOI in Sci-Hub and I have a PDF. Done. Same result, a hell of a lot less hassle.

      Don't even get me started on review articles in huge publications that cost a thousand dollars or something for 1,400 pages of content that you don't want and 6 pages that you do, or journals that keep papers from the 1960s and earlier behind paywalls. Journals that charge you $6 to "rent" a paper for 48 hours (no saving, printing, etc.), $15 to be able to save it, and $30 to be able to print it are complete bullshit.

      Gabe Newell of Valve said this about game piracy, and it applies just as well to scientific literature:

      "We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem," he said. "If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable."

      In this case, Sci-Hub is far more valuable in that it provides what I want, immediately, and in a convenient form. The fact that it costs nothing is secondary.

    2. Re:Opportunity cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The fact that it costs nothing is secondary.

      Gabe was talking about games at the time. In this case, the pricing is so absolutely outrageous - private researchers could easily pay $100 for 24 hour access to a specific paper, and they may have to go through dozens or hundreds of papers to write their own work, even if they aren't even cited - that it's nearly impossible to do research or even simply keep yourself informed without an organization with a much larger budget backing your efforts. So here, it's very much an issue, as is the fact that in most cases the research is paid for by the general public, in part or in full, never mind the fact that copyright law is currently grossly and dangerously distorted in favor of large corporations.

      Sci-hub makes it possible for the people who paid for scientific research (the public) to actually access that research without paying a private company that these days does little to nothing to actually earn a fee that's probably well over a thousand times more expensive that it should be.

    3. Re:Opportunity cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I can (and have) requested interlibrary loans, or have staff in the foreign library find the paper, scan it, and email it to me (my institution pays for this), but why should this even be necessary? Again, DOI in Sci-Hub and I have a PDF. Done. Same result, a hell of a lot less hassle.

      There was always a weird satisfaction in making some lackey in some distant library scan a 150 page document for you so you could read one paragraph of it.

    4. Re:Opportunity cost by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Preach it v(what Gabe said).

      After a very belated cabinet upgrade I finally joined the ranks of tv streaming service users.

      In every measure if usability it's worse than the Pirate Bay.

      With the Pirate Bay (or Amazon music), I search for what I want, download a file then play it anywhere, anyhow I like.

      With NowTV it is much worse. First, I can't just go a la cart : I have to sign up for a service because it's designed to keep me paying even after I've lost interest. Second, they've decide that me giving them money is an excuse to spam me. I never opt in to marketing mail, so I've reported them as spammers. Even if they managed to trick me into checking the wrong box somehow, it's still unsolicited.

      So so far I've got to put up with sit for the privilege of not pirating.

      And then there's the incredibly awful player. It can't seem to cache more than about 2 seconds of video, instead choosing to occasionally pause and flip back to heavily compressed 240p. I can watch full HD YouTube videos just fine, so I know it's not my connecting that's the problem.

      I'll note for the record that videos from the Pirate Bay always play fine.

      And then there's the computer. My computer is perfectly capable of playing full HD videos even in the Windows VM I have to use because they don't support Linux. Except it won't even pay in the vm because "Cisco video guard" a piece of anti piracy software is taking up a whopping 70% of the CPU.

      If I Pirate videos, then I don't get treated like a crook and this machine I know for a fact is fast enough works perfectly.

      So now I'm paying and the service is worse in every measurable way than the pirated one.

      And this is why people Pirate. The paid for services are technically poor and treat you like a crook, making the user experience terrible. TPB is excellent in both regards. The only downside is I can't pay for the stuff I want that way.

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    5. Re:Opportunity cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off, pirate

    6. Re:Opportunity cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      online repository of pirated research papers...

      I'll stick with the pirate way.

      Are you talking about robbery, rape, kidnapping, and murder on the high seas? If not, then stop framing "copyright infringement" as "piracy".

    7. Re:Opportunity cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Language evolves. Words take on new meanings. Get over it!

    8. Re:Opportunity cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit

  4. The Internet Is a Publishing Platform by Njorthbiatr · · Score: 1

    There's no reason why peer review can't be done online en masse by all scientists. They could even rate papers on their credibility.

    1. Re:The Internet Is a Publishing Platform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because that works so well on Yelp.

      Having a PhD doesn't magically turn you into someone who's *not* petty, childish, ignorant, and completely willing to attack someone's work out of personal animus or a desire to punish thoughtcrime.

    2. Re:The Internet Is a Publishing Platform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, but unlike a business review scientific research should be:
      - reproducible; and
      - statistically significant... right?

    3. Re:The Internet Is a Publishing Platform by Immerman · · Score: 2

      True, but what does having a publisher acting as a grossly overpriced intermediary contribute? It's become abundantly clear that many (most?) don't do any vetting of their volunteer reviewers, much less their paying submitters.

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    4. Re:The Internet Is a Publishing Platform by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Because that works so well on Yelp.

      Having a PhD doesn't magically turn you into someone who's *not* petty, childish, ignorant, and completely willing to attack someone's work out of personal animus or a desire to punish thoughtcrime.

      That's why peer reviews have to show and sign their work, as well as being in the same discipline as the reviewed paper. But there is no reason this process cannot take place on cheap public websites (not those 'open access' sites where reading is free but posting a paper costs thousands). Those are run by traditional publishers in a last-ditch attempt to keep their model afloat.

    5. Re:The Internet Is a Publishing Platform by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Oh, yes. Far to many bad papers get published and far too many good papers turn out to be difficult to publish. I have gotten contacted by conference chairs several times by now because I was the only reviewer that rejected a paper, but apparently was also the only one that actually read and understood it. (None of these got published.)

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    6. Re:The Internet Is a Publishing Platform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, I've observed that normal people that get PhDs often magically turn into someone who *is* petty, childish, ignorant, and completely willing to attack someone's work out of personal animus or a desire to punish thoughtcrime.

  5. Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As long as there are people willing to pay $35 to read a single article, sometimes years old, which upon reading the full text may or may not be of any use to their research, then the paywall model will be fine.

    1. Re:Maybe by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Hmm - this might actually be where the real threat to their business model lies. I mean if you're actually citing a paper you may want legitimate access to it - but if you can search, skim, etc. most papers far more conveniently for free, and then only legitimately access the ones that will be useful....

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  6. Good by swillden · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Paywalled research is just a bad idea.

    Yes, I understand that the peer review and publication process has to be paid for, but restricting access to the fruits of scientific progress -- and therefore also limiting further progress! -- is the wrong way to do it.

    My guess is that we'll transition to an "author pays" model. Researchers employed by institutions will have their fees covered by their employer. Researchers who don't have that option are already disadvantaged under the current model, so the fact that they'll still be disadvantaged isn't so terrible. Plus they'll still be able to publish in free online archives that accept non-reviewed and unedited work. Really good work should find it fairly easy to get someone to fund the peer review and editing required to get it into a journal.

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    1. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the net result will be that good papers naturally float to the top through citations, thus rendering artificial journal meritocracy null and void. Everyone wins, except the publishers that nobody really needs any more (conferences are typically sponsored by third parties anyway)

    2. Re:Good by heypete · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, I understand that the peer review and publication process has to be paid for, but restricting access to the fruits of scientific progress -- and therefore also limiting further progress! -- is the wrong way to do it.

      In my field (physics and meteorite research), peer reviewers work for free. They're not paid by the journal, though I'd argue that they should be paid at least a reasonable fee for their time and expertise.

      And yes, the publication process must be paid for, and that's quite reasonable. Still, the journals charge far more for subscriptions than the cost of typesetting, printing, binding, distribution, and a modest profit.

      Personally, I prefer to publish in the journal maintained by the scholarly society relevant to my field rather than the other major journal in the field that's published by Elsevier, even though the latter has a slightly higher impact factor. The society journal is essentially the journal-of-record for the field and their publication costs are quite minimal. They contract with an outside publisher (one of the big publishers, but who's remarkably non-gangster-like in their operations) to actually handle the printing, distribution, and online access, but otherwise maintain control of the content and policies, and strongly push for open access.

    3. Re:Good by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      The reality is that can all be done far better by public universities. A global link of all public universities sharing content between themselves and the public. Distributed and mirrored keep the resource impact down on individual universities and that pool can also work to create open content, open reference material, making it far cheaper for students (free versus wasting thousands of dollars).

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    4. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It certainly shouldn't be under copyright for 70+ years! That's BS given the level of public support and the fact that a publishing business would go under if they couldn't make their money back in 20 years or less.

      Heck, papers from the fricking 1800s are easier to obtain these days than papers from, say, the 1960s, because organizations have scanned in their collections and put them on the web for free. The publishers are still asking you to pay for access to articles from 50 years ago. That's nuts. There should be an exception in copyright law for scientific work that is publicly funded that dramatically limits the copyright period. 10 or 20 years maximum.

    5. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Yes, I understand that the peer review and publication process has to be paid f

      I've peer reviewed articles destined for conference proceedings for free! Given the wealth of instant publishing technologies available in this day and age, creating a ecosystem dedicated to reviewing and making papers available on line is straightforward and relatively cheap.

      Endow an non-profit corporation dedicated to maintaining the collection of paper that are split into two streams, those that are peer reviewed and those that are not. Reviewers, who volunteer their time, are selected based on their expertise. Note, the 'quality' of a reviewers can be estimated based on their collective works and feedback from the community, likes or connections, and an overall score based on the community's consensus on the quality of the reviewer's commentary on reviewed papers.

      Submitting a paper and well as peer review's are free, assuming the community selects the paper for review, access to non-peer reviewed content would be free while peer reviewed papers would be accessible for a flat monthly fee, with no limit on the number of accesses.

      Many details to workout, but totally in the real of 'doable'!
         

    6. Re:Good by swillden · · Score: 1

      And the net result will be that good papers naturally float to the top through citations

      That would be awesome, but I'm not so sure. People rely on journals to curate the content because their time is limited, and papers that don't get found don't get cited.

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    7. Re:Good by Immerman · · Score: 1

      From what I've heard the quality of such curation tends to be distinctly lacking. Meanwhile, Google tends to do a pretty good job of finding useful information.

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    8. Re:Good by swillden · · Score: 1

      You read about the cases where it's bad. That doesn't mean it's bad overall.

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    9. Re:Good by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Worse, I've gone looking for relevant publications.

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  7. Knowledge in lockboxes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Knowledge shouldn't be locked away in fortresses. Doing so only serves to inhibit the further testing/validation and extension of research. If you want to profit from offering services based on the application of research, fine, but understand that you're going to need to compete with anyone else who has similar desires. -PCP

  8. How to mirror? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Need to find out how to mirror Sci-Hub before it gets taken down.

    1. Re:How to mirror? by PPH · · Score: 1

      Right. And please grab me a copy of that paper on midi-chlorians when you do.

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    2. Re:How to mirror? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Need to find out how to mirror Sci-Hub before it gets taken down.

      Every year or so, back up the repository to Wikileaks.

    3. Re:How to mirror? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Dzzshhulian can edit out anything harmful to Russian interests?

  9. Recently found a publication of mine on Sci-Hub by ffkom · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just out of curiousity I searched for a (not at all famous) paper I published in the 1990s. Found it on Sci-Hub by just entering a few key words in a search engine - conveniently retrievable.

    I remembered that at some point in time, a state-funded institution did officially archive my paper. But it took me about half an hour to finally find it, buried behind multiple retrieval forms and links, with no chance to find it had I not looked up its entire, exact title before.

    No question, Sci-Hub did the better job of keeping my little contribution to the world's knowledge available to the public.

    1. Re:Recently found a publication of mine on Sci-Hub by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up. -PCP

    2. Re:Recently found a publication of mine on Sci-Hub by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      I really don't have a problem with Sci-Hub or other sites like it because a lot of the research published in those journals comes from taxpayer funds to some degree. I don't really understand why more state (or federal as the case may be) governments don't put stipulations that the research funded by taxpayer dollars is open to the public. Theoretically any other government information (aside from classified information or the like) is public record, so I'm not sure why this should be any different.

    3. Re:Recently found a publication of mine on Sci-Hub by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the information is not meant for the proletariat.

      It's meant for the Establishment.

    4. Re:Recently found a publication of mine on Sci-Hub by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is not true. Many government agencies stipulate the publications must be openly available (e.g., on PubMed). In addition, many scientists make their preprints publicly available, or even their postprints publicly available (even though publishers generally do not allow it).

      Where there are problems, it is generally because of the publishers, not because scientists or the government do not want to make the publications available.

    5. Re:Recently found a publication of mine on Sci-Hub by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Unless, of course, the establishment is Canada. And then public accessibility is mandated.

      http://www.science.gc.ca/eic/site/063.nsf/eng/h_F6765465.html?OpenDocument

    6. Re:Recently found a publication of mine on Sci-Hub by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Mostly because they've made a distinction between "freely available" as in accessible vs "freely available" as in beer. While some journals do indeed limit themselves to members and whatnot, the majority of them are happy to sell you a license for any paper you'd like.

      Also, most other government data is like that as well. If you make a freedom of information request for example, you usually will be charged a processing fee. And that's just purely a government interaction -- throw in a private profit-driven entity between you and the government, and of course the charges will go up.

      Overall though, this is pretty much going to end up like a miniature version of the RIAA vs basically everyone battle over music -- a necessary evil that is no longer necessary fighting against the inevitable and (short of a China-style great firewall.. maybe) unstoppable force of internet file sharing. If Sci-hub is shutdown, some other manner of sharing research papers will crop up somewhere.

    7. Re:Recently found a publication of mine on Sci-Hub by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only taxpayer funded research. But medical research charities have been collecting billions of dollars for decades. Where is all that money going, there should be plenty of publicly available research papers funded by that research.

      The sad reality is that most donations fund research in private corporate labs that keep it all secret -- and what's worse, these companies would do the research anyway because that's how they make a profit. So the donations just save them the expense of their own research and go straight into profits.

      Not to mention all the redundant research donors are paying for because without sharing, many labs have to repeat the same research.

    8. Re:Recently found a publication of mine on Sci-Hub by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention all the redundant research donors are paying for because without sharing, many labs have to repeat the same research.

      The research needs to be repeated anyway for reproducibility, but it would be nice if everyone knew what had been reproduced, how often, and by whom.

  10. Software Industry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't this analogous to what the software industry has gone through with cracks and pirated copies? There are still companies around that charge for software of all kinds, although I will admit that big changes occurred.

  11. Poor snowflakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh no, not the end for paywalled research!!

  12. Good and EXCELLENT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The whole point of research and science to ADD to the COLLECTIVE UNDERSTANDING. It is a goddamned travesty that these cheapskate middle-merchants think it is acceptable to hide away facts and dribble them out bit-by-bit like some filthy, literal Pay-Per-View. If there is any cost associated with the so-called warehousing of data it should be borne by the institutions sitting on their lazy pile of endowments, and funding abosolute SHIT like "gender studies".

    F--k these data hoarding pimps. May they die ASAP

    1. Re:Good and EXCELLENT by Wootery · · Score: 1

      A good amount of righteous outrage, but just enough bitterness and blustering to be worthy of the AC name. Nicely done.

  13. only one version of the truth.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    usually a short story.. cease fire stand down,, there are moms & babys in every town..

  14. Subscriptions are doomed by turkeydance · · Score: 2

    not picking on journals

  15. Why do we need publishers again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why should we have to pay for publicly funded research? A paywall is like a tax on research. Let the information flow.

  16. Re: You know what else has a big cache? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So that would mean you never get any action

  17. Elsevier by doctorvo · · Score: 1

    For some major publishers, such as Elsevier, more than 97% of their catalog of journal articles is being stored on Sci-Hub's servers -- meaning they can be accessed there for free.

    Couldn't have happened to a nicer publisher.

    1. Re:Elsevier by Immerman · · Score: 2

      Personally I prefer "Couldn't have happened to a more deserving ____"
      Same initial dose of sarcastic irony, plus the lingering savor of literal truth once you realize the actual intent.

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      --- Most topics have many sides worth arguing, allow me to take one opposite you.
    2. Re:Elsevier by doctorvo · · Score: 1

      That also works for "nicer"...

    3. Re:Elsevier by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      I have reviewed you post and it has been rejected for the following reason:

      [x] Rejection not presented in the form of a rejection letter.

      Please re-write and resubmit. Don't forget to include the resubmission fee.

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    4. Re:Elsevier by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Only if you include the quotes.

      There's always genuinely nicer folks it could have happened to - in fact it often happens to them first since they're not as ruthless.

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      --- Most topics have many sides worth arguing, allow me to take one opposite you.
  18. Re:You know what else has a big cache? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shriveled husks of a once former manhood. Reduced to testicular fantasies on a website forum. That's the AC way.

  19. Be careful what you wish for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After Napster and torrents came along, everyone seemed pretty happy that recorded music was de facto public domain. Lots of teenagers and twentysomethings spent ridiculous amounts of time collecting and hoarding audio tracks in case a crackdown turned off the spigot.

    So how do you feel about today's pop music? Nobody can make a killing anymore unless they look and dance and act like a diva or gangsta on TV. And we know what those kinds of music sound like.

    1. Re:Be careful what you wish for by stooo · · Score: 1

      >> Nobody can make a killing anymore
      Journals don't pay scientists. So in that case, it will not impede research, the opposite is true, it will make research available, so that's a big win for everybody except elsevier.

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      aaaaaaa
  20. As a former library worker... good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The dirty secret of the academic publishing world is that it's a enormous scam designed to funnel taxpayers money into the pockets of rich vendors, who have repeatedly failed to do their jobs because they have no competition and act as a monopolistic racket. Let's not even talk about the kickbacks and benefits they give to the people at these public institutions that are supposed to be upholding the public good but are just looking to inflate their budgets and their ego.

    The thing researchers love about sci-hub is that you type in the article name, and you get the article. Imagine that! Something the web search industry figured out 15 years ago has yet to make it into the proprietary morass of vendor locked in library IT systems.... because the academic publishing world is hopelessly corrupt and moribund.

    There is no opportunity for a free market force to come in and force these leeches on the taxpayers to do their fucking jobs properly - and their job is to index and store information after it has been verified by peer review. Nothing more, nothing less. It's not complicated. It's not rocket science and it's not brain surgery.

    Scihub is the best thing that has ever happened to academic publishing. The management and shareholders of Elsevier and the rest of these thieves should be ashamed of themselves. Ripping off the public for decades on end. It's time to stop.

    1. Re:As a former library worker... good by gweihir · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I fully agree. One of the reasons I made sure to keep my online rights when publishing my PhD thesis. Had to go to a small publisher for that. All my papers are online as well, for the journal ones (few, that process just takes far too long got CS) as tech-reports with the same title.

      The thing is, I already got paid for all my research by public funding. I consider it highly immortal to ask people to pay for access after that. Personally, I think that publicly funded research should come with a hard requirement that anything published must be free to access for anybody and I expect we will basically get that, as eventually nobody will read the commercial journals anymore and their relevance will go away.

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      Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
    2. Re:As a former library worker... good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I consider it highly immortal to ask people to pay for access after that.

      Immortal is a bit exaggerated. Copyright usually expires after 100-150 years.

    3. Re:As a former library worker... good by gweihir · · Score: 2

      For Disney, it is currently defined at "now + 20 years", so I would say "forever" is a good approximation.

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      Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
    4. Re:As a former library worker... good by Holi · · Score: 1

      "There is no opportunity for a free market force to come in and force these leeches on the taxpayers to do their fucking jobs properly "

      Isn't that what Sci-Hub is doing? Are they not the market force?

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      Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
  21. Backups needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is that the US corporate government will reign in soon and shut it down like they do for everything that isn't making their cronies wealthier.

  22. e-reader needed or for $39.99/year e-reader pro by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    e-reader needed (read only no copying windows only) or for $39.99/year e-reader pro that can print / copy with auto citing into your paper (sorry no mac and the DRM system will not work under wine).

  23. Netflix Subscriptions Are Doomed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because of Pirate Bay's Big Cache of Pirated Movies

    Oh wait, nevermind.

    1. Re: Netflix Subscriptions Are Doomed by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Netflix actually do something with their money; they fund original content and pay other producers for access to theirs and collaborate with them.

      Scientific publishers don't do any of those things; they work entirely by creating artificial scarcity of a product paid for by others that they don't contribute to; at most they rate it.

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      -WolfWithoutAClause

      "Gravity is only a theory, not a fact!"
    2. Re: Netflix Subscriptions Are Doomed by Kiuas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You couldn't have refuted your own point better in a single sentence. You have the entire chain of cause and effect backwards.

      You see, the only reason services like Netfix and Spotify now exist is because of piracy. I remember when people, even at this very site, were scoffing and ridiculing the idea of a cheap streaming service. '10 bucks to listen to millions of songs? Hah, the record companies will never allow it, look at the prices on Itunes! Look at how much a CD costs! They'll never agree to such pricing, if you want streaming anywhere, listen to the radio!" But they had to.

      You see, record companies, much like Elsevier, have had to face the fat that the service they originally provided, access to information in a physical format, is pretty much dead and the service that replaced it, access to information in a digital format, does not and cannot be priced in the same way. Consumers are not idiots. If you tell someone to pay them 18 euros for a physical album and then tell them the exactly same content over a digital medium with a fraction of the costs of the physical medium costs nearly the same they're going to know you're lying.

      If it was up to record companies and movie studios we'd all still be paying 5 euros a pop for 24 hour rentals and 4 times that for downloads riddled with massive amounts of DRM making cross-device/platform playback near impossible. But the advent of piracy gave the consumers a choice that was both more affordable and more to the point better in quality. They groaned and the grumbled, but eventually they started giving in when they realize this is an existential threat to their existence.

      And just in the same way, I hope, Sci-Hub will usher in the era of 'Sciflix' where you can pick the fields you want to follow and get access to ALL articles from those fields at a price that's affordable even to private citizens.

      "But the publishers will never allow it. Look at how much journal access costs now! Look at the prices of individual articles! If you want widespread access just use your campus network or library!"

      The opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

        -Sun Tzu, The Art of War

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      "It is the business of the future to be dangerous" -Alfred North Whitehead
  24. Another victory for freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    knowledge must be free for there to be a free society

  25. They did it to themselves by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Greed, declining review quality, slow publication, etc. Just like other copyright industries, but probably even more stupid than most. And no loss at all to humanity when these all finally fail. Content will of course continued to be published, after all the authors and the reviewers (the two critical parts of scientific publishing) never got any compensation from journals at all. This will also allow to make a real effort to fix the currently mostly broken review system.

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    Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
  26. Somebody carried out Aaron's protest by Visarga · · Score: 1

    This is what Aaron was set up to do when he got in trouble. Many years later, and on a much larger scale, data clearly wants to be free.

  27. Paid Advertisements, now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    C'mon, Slashdot - can't you do any better than obvious paid advertisements for Sci-Hub like this?
    Ads like this, detailing how people can get access to almost all research for free, are far too obvious.

  28. No It Won't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People have been claiming that the internet will kill of the academic journal racquet for decades. There have been several concerted attempts to break it, but there is still no sign of it happening. Academic need the status of being published in leading peer-reviewed journals to build a career, and donate their labour to peer review other papers for free to curry favour. Government funded universities need to keep buying electronic access to every article published for their staff and students. Even though they are paying billions to buy papers on research that they and the government funded in the first place! And Elsevier just keeps making more and more journals that are becoming more and more specialised and there is no sign that the market will ever saturate.

    The Guardian published a good article on it recently.
    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/jun/27/profitable-business-scientific-publishing-bad-for-science

  29. Need free to read and publish by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    My guess is that we'll transition to an "author pays" model.

    Which is arguably just as bad as paywalled research for exactly the same reason. Now those without financial resources will be unable to publish their research for others to find.

    What we need is to revert back to the original scheme from whence the current journals grew. Scientific societies published collections of papers but as the task of collating, refereeing, assembling into volumes and then publishing grew to be a major task publishing companies took over.

    However, modern technology makes all of this far easier and now societies could well afford to setup websites which operate like arXiv but with refereeing. This would be free to read, free to publish in and paid for by scientific societies whose goals are to promote the field they are associated with. That's about as ideal a situation for the promotion of scientific ideas as I can think of.

  30. Pirated papers of mostly public funded research by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 1

    A lot of research is funded by governments, yet the resulting reports should be locked away by some publisher who doesn't contribute any real value.

  31. Good riddance, Elsevier et al by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In the times where print was difficult and expensive you had a role. And you filled that role reasonably well, investing in management and editing, in exchange for some pay.

    These days you skip management and editing and just focus on *GIMME MONEY*. So it's about time you shrivel up and die. You ceased to be useful.

  32. Right or wrong - there clearly is a need by jandersen · · Score: 1

    Whether it is right to make scientific articles, published by commercial journals, freely available - and on the other hand whether it is right to hamper the freedom of scientific research by making the articles prohibitively expensive - is perhaps open to discussion, although I personally think all scientific research should be freely accessible. But it is clear from the popularity of sites such as this, that there is a huge desire (as well as a need) for open access to research. Unless the commercial scientific journals can somehow address these issues and give people what they want, they won't be sustainable in the long term; and I can't see how they can do that.

  33. The sooner they die... by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    ...the better for science.

  34. Ah, the magazine by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

    Portable, cheap, and you just need light. And you don't have to worry about losing something cheap.

  35. If **ANY** of it was paid for by Federal funds. . by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

    . . . .why aren't the results available free for any citizen ? After all, we ALREADY paid for it !!