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Free Movement of EU Citizens To Britain Will End in 2019 (standard.co.uk)

Free movement of EU citizens to Britain will end when the country leaves the EU in March 2019, Theresa May's spokesman said Monday, moving to contain a Cabinet row over immigration after Brexit. From a report: Downing Street (headquarters of the government of the United Kingdom) said on Monday it was "wrong" to suggest free movement would "continue as it is now" once Britain leaves the EU. It comes following days of confusion and rumours of infighting between Cabinet colleagues over the crucial issue of immigration after Brexit.

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  1. Re:Muslims already won by shadowknot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This prediction has been made in my home city, Birmingham, since I was born and it has never come to fruition, perhaps get your news from places other than the EDL, National Front or UKIP.

  2. Re: Muslims already won by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Proof this prediction happened long ago?

    The huge increase of Muslim temples tells the real story, whatever people theorized back then, it's happening now.

  3. Re:Omitting of course... by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The entire point of the Common Market, and ultimately the EU was more than simply to have a trading bloc. It is to create extremely tight economic integration. There's a rather good reason for this, seeing as Europe had just gone through two cataclysmic general wars, and if you cast the net back a bit further, you have also have the Napoleonic Wars and major conflicts like the Franco-Prussian War. In other words, this is a region that was blown to bits multiple times over the last few centuries.

    Tight economic integration inevitably means some degree of political union. Now we can debate how much is too much, but in general, even in those countries where EU resentment is highest, countries like Poland, Hungary and Greece, people still in general view the EU positively. The Greeks made clear through multiple elections over the last five or six years that even with intense austerity, they not only want to remain in the EU, but the Eurozone.

    These claims that somehow Britain is the canary in the coalmine, that somehow there is going to be this exodus of nations from the EU, really are little more than a shallow attempt by Leavers to try to justify what just about everyone now knows to have been a stunningly idiotic referendum result.

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  4. Re:Irish passport by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Here in the US, I'm wondering what the big deal is for requiring an passport to move between sovereign countries over there?

    I thought that was pretty much the norm for most of the world....?

    As another poster has already said, you should be thinking in terms of states.

    One of the reasons for the US's global dominance in the 20th century was the size of the country, and the amount of economic activity that could be carried out within its borders. Free movement of workers between states allowed the workforce to move very rapidly, and any "goldrush" (Detroit becoming "motor city", the birth of Hollywood) saw mass migrations from all over. Now imagine what would have happened in Hollywood if anyone who wasn't Californian wasn't allowed in without a lengthy immigration process that couldn't be started until they had a job -- it would have been very different.

    Think about all the noise over H1B, and imagine if Microsoft had to apply for an H1B to hire anyone not born in Washington State.

    Imagine Google applying for H1Bs for all their staff not born in California.

    And imagine all the people in the Grain Belt who would have highly restricted choice of profession, because they're not allowed to move to where the work is.

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  5. Look to Dearborn and Hamtramck, Michigan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Demographic change can happen much quicker than one expects.

    Look at Hamtramck, Michigan and Dearborn, Michigan for examples of this happening recently.

    Even as late as the 1970s, the residents of Hamtramck were nearly all (90%) from Poland, or of Polish descent. But by 2000, Poles made up only about 10% of the population. By 2015 it had the first majority Muslim city council in the US.

    Dearborn is similar. Once mainly populated by people of European origin or descent, as of 2010 over 40% of its population was of Arab ancestry, with many of them practicing Islam.

    A city like Birmingham is moderately large, so it may take longer to see it happen. But when you factor in birth rate differentials, immigration rates, emigration rates, and death rates, a non-Muslim city could easily become a Muslim-majority city within two or three generations.

    Depending on how long you live, there's a good chance you'll experience it later in your life, even if you don't see it today. Your children (or hypothetical ones, if you're impotent) will experience it.

  6. Re:Irish passport by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Except in reality, not.

    States within the US do not have wildly different values, cultures, and fiscal/financial policy like the "states" of the EU. The EU is comprised of independent COUNTRIES. States within the US may vary slightly and of course there are cultural difference left to right and top to bottom but not as wild as, say, the difference between crossing the border between Georgia and Florida or Georgia and Tennessee compared to crossing the border between Germany and Poland or Germany and France.

    Because of this, the EU is doomed to fail and I say good riddance.

  7. Re:Muslims already won by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    When combinations of 'Mohammed', 'Muhammad', 'Mehmet', 'Mahmud' and so on are the most common baby name in the UK, those are leading indicators that the BNP/UKIP/EDL/NF are CORRECT! Just add to that the 'Ahmad's, the 'Imran's, the 'Ali's, and so on, and you'd get to a majority

  8. Re:Omitting of course... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Britain left out of what amounts to a voter pique, a sort of rage against Westminster.

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  9. Re:Omitting of course... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The wars were not the only reason for tight integration. If you want to have really free and fair trade between nations then they all need to be playing by the same rules. The same standards, the same rules everywhere so that products and services can flow freely and no-one gains an unfair advantage.

    There is also the collective bargaining power that comes from being the second largest economy in the world. Outside of the EU, countries are already lining up to bully the UK into accepting their terms. Trump wants a quick deal because he knows we are weak and desperate, open to accepting US chlorinated chicken and hormone infused beef to lessen the pain of Brexit.

    Brexit is making the EU stronger. Merkel and Macron are reforming it, renewing it. Cameron could have been with them, getting the changes he wanted, if he had participated and built support instead of presenting a list of demands backed up by a threat.

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  10. Re:Muslims already won by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Around 4.4% of the population said they were Muslim at the last census (2011). Keep in mind that the census tends to inflate the numbers because the people filling it in put their kids down as being religious when they aren't really and stop participating when they grow up.

    Anyway, that's up 1.7% since 2001, so in a decade. At that rate, by 2050 a massive 10% of the population will be Muslim. I don't think we have too much to worry about.

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  11. Re:EU is anti-democratic by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not sure whether to laugh out cry at this.

    The EU has given us more power, more control and more sovereignty. Look at how strong consumer rights and employment rights are under it. Look at how the EU is able to tell the US to go fuck itself when it suits us.

    Outside the EU, we have countries lining up to screw us. How is being forced to accept US farming standards, far inferior to our own, "taking back control" or increasing our sovereignty?

    The EU is getting stronger. The far right and the populists have been exposed and rejected. Support for the EU is up, it's reforming itself and pushing ahead with the project now that the UK can't hold it back.

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