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Joining Apple, Amazon's China Cloud Service Bows To Censors (nytimes.com)

Days after Apple yanked anti-censorship tools off its app store in China, another major American technology company is moving to implement the country's tough restrictions on online content. From a report: A Chinese company that operates Amazon's cloud-computing and online services business there said on Tuesday that it told local customers to cease using any software that would allow Chinese to circumvent the country's extensive system of internet blocks (Editor's note: the link could be paywalled; alternative source). The company, called Beijing Sinnet Technology and operator of the American company's Amazon Web Services operations in China, sent one round of emails to customers on Friday and another on Monday. "If users don't comply with the guidance, the offered services and their websites can be shut down," said a woman surnamed Wang who answered a Sinnet service hotline. "We the operators also check routinely if any of our users use these softwares or store illegal content." Ms. Wang said the letter was sent according to recent guidance from China's Ministry of Public Security and the country's telecom regulator. Amazon did not respond to emails and phone calls requesting comment. The emails are the latest sign of a widening push by China's government to block access to software that gets over the Great Firewall -- the nickname for the sophisticated internet filters that China uses to stop its people from gaining access to Facebook, Google and Twitter, as well as foreign news media outlets.

51 comments

  1. Is Wang Wong? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: -1, Troll

    >said a woman surnamed Wang

    Well that nails her down.
    Ms. Wang, China.

    --
    I should use this sig to advertise my book ISBN-13 : 978-1501515132.
    1. Re:Is Wang Wong? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 0

      Not to be confused with Wang Wi, San Francisco.

    2. Re:Is Wang Wong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somebody wang the wong number?

  2. Jesus May Come Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    "Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come." â"Matthew 24:42.

    "Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh." â"Matthew 24:44.

    "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh." â"Matthew 25:13.

    "Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is." â"Mark 13:33.

    "Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch." â"Mark 13:35-37

    "Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not." â"Luke 12:40.

    "Behold, the judge standeth before the door." â"James 5:9.

    "Behold, I come quickly." â"Revelation 22:7.

    "The time is at hand." â"Revelation 22:10.

    "And, behold, I come quickly." â"Revelation 22:12.

    "He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus." â"Revelation 22:20.

    Yes, JESUS may come today! The coming of Christ to the earth is imminent: it may occur any moment, day or night!

    There is not a single event prophesied in the Bible which must come to pass before the Saviour returns. As far as we can know, no event, either political, economic or spiritual, need occur before Jesus comes. Not another war need be declared, not another gospel sermon preached, not another soul be saved, as far as can be told from the Scriptures, before the Saviour comes to catch up His saints into the air for the marriage supper in Heaven.

    And I do not mean that signs of the Saviour's coming show that it is likely to be soon. Some say that Jesus must come soon because the little modern nation Israel is established in Palestine. I do not believe that is the restoration of Israel promised in the Bible. I do not believe one can tell from that even approximately when Jesus will come. I do not believe that wars, earthquakes, dictatorships, communism, or modernism are signs that Christ will come at any predictable time or within any given generation. My conviction is that we should look for Christ's coming simply because He said to look for His coming.

    We should not look for Christ's coming because of meteor showers or because of numerals found in the bible and mistakenly applied to reckon when Christ will return. The Millerites went wrong on that in 1842. We should not presume that with a tape measure we can measure a passage in the great pyramid in Egypt and, making an inch mean a year, find when Jesus will come. British-Israelites were made a laughing stock by that false premise nearly twenty years ago. I know one who thus set a date for Christ's return and is now a scoffing infidel. No, let us stop looking in the newspapers for signs of Christ's coming and simply believe Christ may come at any moment because He said so.

    At any moment we may expect Christians to be caught up into the air to meet Christ in the first promised phase of His second coming. We do not know when. We bring reproach on the blessed hope by speculations, but we can watch because Jesus said we should.

    The Scriptures quoted above do not discuss any signs that might precede the coming of Christ but rather the fact that He may come at any moment. The Scriptures teach that Jesus might have come at any moment since He went away! Jesus Himself taught the apostles and all the Christians then living that He might return in their lifetime. They were commanded that He might return in their lifetime. They were commanded and entreated earnestly to watch and pray since they knew not the day nor the hour when the Son of man should return. At Pentecost the promised pouring out of the Holy Spirit upon the apostles

    1. Re:Jesus May Come Today by amalcolm · · Score: 1

      Well, it's 3:15 here and he hasn't arrived yet. He'll have to hurry or I'm going to lock up and go home

      --
      Time for bed, said Zebedee - boing
    2. Re:Jesus May Come Today by volodymyrbiryuk · · Score: 1

      I really hope you typed all of it, beacuse if you copy pasted it you're going to hell. You know that right?

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      sudo rm -r -f --no-preserve-root /
    3. Re:Jesus May Come Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus came

      I cleaned-up afterwards with a hanky

    4. Re:Jesus May Come Today by a+hanky · · Score: 1

      I cleaned-up afterwards with a hanky

      No way dude, you're on your own. I told you I'm not touching that stuff.

  3. Ms. Wang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    chinese msmash lol

  4. Didn't see that coming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is there a particular reason any of us should be surprised by this? China has been the way it is for longer than most of us have been alive, and looks to be that way for many more.

  5. Sad state of affairs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Money and power is more important than freedom and liberty to these people.

    1. Re:Sad state of affairs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Why is your shitty brand of freedom more important than the sovereignty of China?

    2. Re: Sad state of affairs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If democracy dies we all lose.

    3. Re: Sad state of affairs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      What do you mean dies? It's been dead. Raped, killed, had sex with the body, dismembered and sold to the highest bidder.

    4. Re:Sad state of affairs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They rally for freedom here with their social justice bridges, punishing businesses and people they feel aren't "tolerant" or "free" enough, yet they continue to do business with gross rights abusers like China and Saudi Arabia.

      Fuck those hypocrites.

    5. Re:Sad state of affairs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      eh, brigades, not bridges..

      captcha: leftward....

    6. Re:Sad state of affairs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Actually, in China this is the LAW. Are you suggesting that just because YOU (not a resident of China) don't like the laws in China, that you should be able to dictate them?

      Ego, much?

    7. Re: Sad state of affairs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its cute that you think the US is actually a democracy

      Its been a plutocracy since long before you were born

    8. Re: Sad state of affairs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My standard of life is higher than anyone else in this world. My freedoms are greater than anyone else in the world. I am lucky to be born in the USA.

  6. And By "Illegal Content" She Means... by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

    ...emails to a cousin in San Francisco reading "Get Me Outta Here! Get Me The Hell Outta Here...!"

  7. Howzat go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, right.

      PUSSIES!

  8. Maybe you can answer this.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Why are buttsecksed wives adorable?

  9. Joining Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Joining Apple?

    If I remember correctly - and I do - Google has been "bowing to censors" for ages.

    If anything, these companies are joining Google.

    1. Re:Joining Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      When was the last time you searched on Google and didn't see the little DMCA request notice at the bottom. Google is an evil company bowing to American censors.

    2. Re:Joining Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last I heard from people in China, most google services are not available there. I guess Google didn't want to bow that much.

      I think it is as much competing with their home grown versions of these services as it is censorship.

      Most services we have here, like google, facebook, etc have downright ripped off equivalents in china, run by Chinese companies and get preferential treatment from the govt since they are home grown, i'm sure the Chinese spooks have taps right into all the data centers for these services as well.

    3. Re: Joining Apple? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Google left China. They are in HK, but they are uncensored there. China blocks Google, not the other way around.

      They DID censor in China. Then China broke in and read emails from dissidents. Google left. China has blocked all Google services since, pretty much.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  10. Solution? Better circumvention tools of course! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's get our shit together and defeat this! And, let's hear more stories about people who succeed instead of this depressing 'Typhoid Mary' stuff about more blockages everywhere you look.

    1. Re:Solution? Better circumvention tools of course! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's get our shit together and defeat this!

      And "let's", I of course mean "you guys". I couldn't code my way out of a paper bag.

    2. Re:Solution? Better circumvention tools of course! by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Keep using the best VPN products on real computers.
      That connecting from within China will be followed to the server outside China so the use of a VPN will be detected.
      The user will be discovered and what VPN service thy used will be detected.
      A US company will have to accept and support the rule of law in China for that brand access.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    3. Re:Solution? Better circumvention tools of course! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, then they have to scramble the signals better so nobody can tell which ones 'go outside'. It will always be a game of cat and mouse. And screw the 'law'. It is fickle and corrupt, written by old bald chimps on typewriters. The 'Brand' can just go underground. It's the transfer of fundage that needs to be protected from the tyrannical authorities.

  11. China will evolve a totally different technology by SysEngineer · · Score: 2

    When a species lives isolation, it evolves differently. With China blocking Google and the technology answers Google answers, China's technology will evolve differently. Because technology is changing so fast this evolutionary process to will happen very fast.
    While I lived in China, I used a my own private VPN to access Google for technology searches. Baidu may be good for searching the latest pop song in Chinese, but useless for technology searches. Right now I am programming in Vue, a very popular web framework in China, But I could not program in it if I did not have access to Google search to answer questions. The lack of technology searches and answers in China will limit the advancement of world standards there, because the average developer can not get answers.

  12. Not a Law by Phil06 · · Score: 2

    Except that it is not a law if it was written by a totalitarian dictatorship, it's a diktat. This is calculated posturing by Apple.

    --
    "...and yet, I blame society" Duke - Repo Man
  13. Shut down by handbagsmsn · · Score: 0

    If users don't comply with the guidance, the offered services and their websites can be shut down. http://www.bagswalletsfr.com/

  14. China Still a Nation State by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good to see China still has nationalism and force internationals to bow to her elites' will. In America, our elites are for sale to the highest bidder, Muslim, Jew, Oriental, or Latino, just come with some $$$ for donations and a library.

  15. Re:China will evolve a totally different technolog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know you think this is the problem, but the chinese officials want that isolation. It will force you to use chinese tools and frameworks that ARE documented locally.

    What you see as the problem is the expected and hoped-for outcome.

  16. Wow, big ass companies follow the law! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Next you'll be bitching that Amazon and Apple delete kiddie porn.

  17. Re:China will evolve a totally different technolog by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    I know you think this is the problem, but the chinese officials want that isolation. It will force you to use chinese tools and frameworks that ARE documented locally.

    And then their homogenization will make them horribly, pathetically vulnerable to attacks. Sounds fine to me, I guess.

    --
    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  18. Business as usual by Dorianny · · Score: 1

    There is always a tightening of censorship before the twice-a-decade party Congress. The upcoming one is particularly sensitive as President Xi moves to consolidate power and is expected to replace practically all of the Politburo Standing Committee, China's highest governing body

  19. NyTimes by crafoo · · Score: 2

    It's a NY Times article. Has an actual reputable news organization checked the sources?

    1. Re:NyTimes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it ironic that to access the article we have to use alternate-sources... exactly the sort of behavior this article is saying is bad in china :-)

    2. Re:NyTimes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post history is all serious, not funny, bitching.

      Does the stick in your ass have an off switch?

  20. Censors in the East, Propagandas in the West by AnthonywC · · Score: 1

    Pick your poison.

    1. Re:Censors in the East, Propagandas in the West by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, but in soviet democracy, the choice is voluntary...

      And there's plenty of censorship in the west, with libel/slander and copyright law, etc...

    2. Re:Censors in the East, Propagandas in the West by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As if they were mutually exclusive.

  21. It started with Google and Tiananmen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The precedent was set when the U.S. government didn't put Googlers in prison for violating the human rights of the Chinese by facilitating their government's whitewashing of the Tiananmen Square Massacre history (lets not quibble about whether the machine guns mowed down the democracy protesters within the square, or within 2 miles of the square. Because as we all know, that is what the Chinese government thinks makes all the propagandistic difference)

    1. Re: It started with Google and Tiananmen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Winding people up by saying no one got shot at tianmen square is my favorite way to wind non-Chinese up. The indignant looks on their faces.... and then you end it with, yeah, it was a couple of streets down ;-)

  22. Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the point of being a part of the "leader of the free world" if you continuously bow to dictators and communists?

    1. Re: Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're cool with other countries as long as they don't threaten us militarily and let us trade with them.
      We couldn't care less as long as we are making $$$. And people get mad at IBM having sold the Nazis tabulating machines... as if selling Communist China stuff to control their population is so different. It's just business.

  23. Re:And By "Illegal Content" She Means... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    That only works if she has green eyes.

  24. The only thing than corporate responsibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is the all mighty dollar.

  25. Hypocrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How it made such a fuss for the protectionism of privacy against the FBI, when it suited them to side with the public.
    China OTOH, fuck the public because it suits them to be sided with the government.

    I love the "safer" ecosystem internal to iDevices, but it is a game of capitalism, profits, and fuck the people all the way to the arse-line.