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Why the Bitcoin Network Just Split In Half and Why It Matters (arstechnica.com)

In a report via Ars Technica, Timothy B. Lee explains why the Bitcoin network split into two and why it matters: On Tuesday, a faction of the Bitcoin community launched an audacious experiment: a new version of Bitcoin called Bitcoin Cash that's incompatible with the standard version. As a result, the Bitcoin network split into two mutually incompatible networks that will operate side-by-side. The confusing result is that if you owned one bitcoin before the split you own two bitcoins now: one coin on the original Bitcoin network, and a second coin on the new Bitcoin Cash network. The two coins have the same cryptographic credentials, but they have very different values if you sell them for old-fashioned dollars. On Wednesday morning, one standard Bitcoin was worth about $2,700, while -- on paper at least -- a unit of Bitcoin Cash was worth around $600. [...]

For over a year, the Bitcoin network has been bumping up against a capacity limit hard-coded into the Bitcoin software. Each block in the Bitcoin blockchain -- the network's public, shared transaction ledger -- is limited to 1 megabyte. That artificial limit prevents the network from processing more than about seven transactions per second. Technically speaking, it would be trivial to change that 1 megabyte limit to a higher value. But proposals to do so have faced opposition from traditionalists who argue the limit is actually an important feature of Bitcoin's design that protects the network's democratic character. To participate in the network's peer-to-peer process for clearing transactions, a computer needs a copy of every transaction ever made on the Bitcoin network, which adds up to gigabytes of data per month. This argument has dragged on for more than two years with no resolution. So instead of continuing to bicker, a group of big-block supporters took matters into their own hands. They forked the standard, open-source Bitcoin client to create a rival version of the software.

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  1. segwit2 support in core by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    core bitcoin is also 'soft-forking' to get bigger block sizes a the same time.
    This will in the next few hours / days activate a software update giving the official bitcoin chain bigger block sizes.
    To see the activation status see: http://segwit.co/

    Bitcoin cash does have some interesting ideas but i'd probably stick with bitcoin as they finally have gotten thair act together and implemented a solution to the problem.

  2. Re:Let's fork it again, and again, and again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Wow. Someone's bitter they missed out on a making a lot of money.

  3. It doesn't matter actually ... by perpenso · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, it does not matter. Bitcoin Cash is redundant. They may be correct as to the technical merits of why a change is needed regarding maximum block size but their fork is unnecessary. Ordinary Bitcoin may adopt a larger block size or some other remedy at any time in the future. The argument is only over whether something needs to be done today. Well that and internal developer politics.

    Regular Bitcoin is not locked into some doomed course. They can make a block size change on the timeframe they think appropriate; or if Bitcoin Cash does enjoy increasing popularity they can make the change to put an end to the defections to the other side. Either way Bitcoin Cash seems doomed. Although I'm sure some speculators will find a way to make money off the hype.

    1. Re:It doesn't matter actually ... by Tim12s · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The original bitcoin had no blocksize limit. Bitcoin Cash simply increased the blocksize from 1MB to 8MB. Bitcoin Cash is the real bitcoin. Bitcoin Segwit changes the way the formula works and should actually be considered an altcoin.

      The crux of the politics comes down to the future revenue streams from transactions. 81% of current hashing power is Chinese and that online wallets/exchanges/gateways do not want to send future transaction fees to china. The Bitcoin name is being usurped by an altcoin and a media campaign is supporting this.

      Look, I'm not happy with chinese getting 81% of hashing power and subsequent control, i'm also not happy with the wallets and exchanges getting control. I might-as-well stick with VISA for my banking settlement as it is regulated and protects me. The crux about cash in your hand is that you can spend it however you want without regard. The future BTC will not be able to transact as it will become a settlement layer with all real business transactions moving off the chain.

      I'll stick with VISA instead of moving to LN.

    2. Re:It doesn't matter actually ... by afgam28 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Even if Bitcoin does raise the block size one day, it's still not clear to me how it's ever going to scale high enough to become a general purpose currency. Going from 7 transactions/second to 56 sounds nice and all, but Visa and Mastercard handle about 2000 transactions/second. Each.

      Are they going to eventually go to a 600+ MB block size? Or are a sizeable number of transactions going to have to go through bank-like intermediaries?

    3. Re:It doesn't matter actually ... by namgge · · Score: 2

      People are weird.

    4. Re: It doesn't matter actually ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Your numbers are a little out of date. Visa last year alone averaged 4500 transactions a second.

    5. Re:It doesn't matter actually ... by Troed · · Score: 2

      Segwit, due to be implemented in the original Bitcoin code within a few weeks, allows for side channels (lightning networks) where such quick clearing & settlement can be performed. There's no real limit to how many transactions per second can be done that way, although it's a different kind of settlement than the completely decentralized version that's on-chain.

    6. Re: It doesn't matter actually ... by swillden · · Score: 2

      Your numbers are a little out of date. Visa last year alone averaged 4500 transactions a second.

      It should be pointed out that "Visa" isn't a transaction clearing system. It's a bank association. Large numbers of transactions are easily handled because there is no single system that all of the transactions flow through. There is a set of card issuing banks, a set of merchant acquiring banks, and a set of clearinghouses that connect them -- for the cases that the acquiring banks and issuing banks don't just connect directly, which they often do.

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    7. Re:It doesn't matter actually ... by perpenso · · Score: 1

      Even if Bitcoin does raise the block size one day, it's still not clear to me how it's ever going to scale high enough to become a general purpose currency. Going from 7 transactions/second to 56 sounds nice and all, but Visa and Mastercard handle about 2000 transactions/second. Each.

      Are they going to eventually go to a 600+ MB block size? Or are a sizeable number of transactions going to have to go through bank-like intermediaries?

      As I wrote before: "may adopt a larger block size **or some other remedy** at any time in the future".

      My point is that Classic Bitcoin is not going to sit idly by and say: well, the old 1.0 version of our design can't handle our upcoming performance requirements. Lets just pack things up and call it a failure. No, they can implement whatever changes are necessary, block size or otherwise.

    8. Re: It doesn't matter actually ... by afgam28 · · Score: 1

      These side channels look kind of like the bank-like intermediaries to me. If the bulk of Bitcoin transactions have to be made off of the blockchain, doesn't this negate the benefits of an untraceable currency on an untrusted distributed system? Or am I missing something here?

    9. Re: It doesn't matter actually ... by Troed · · Score: 1

      Bitcoin has never been untraceable, nor marketed as such by anyone who understands the technology. With that said, we'll see MAST and Schnorr signatures as well and that will indeed open up for transactions where the originator cannot be proven, smart contracts (surpassing those in Ethereum) etc.

      If you want quick settlements in the thousands per second for people buying lattes I don't think those need to be cleared on-chain, though.

    10. Re: It doesn't matter actually ... by sjames · · Score: 1

      None of that matters, he wasn't hailing the virtues of Visa's transaction handling, he was pointing out their transaction rate as a guide to what is required to meet the needs of commerce today. BTC is nowhere near where it needs to be if it is to take over.

    11. Re: It doesn't matter actually ... by swillden · · Score: 1

      None of that matters, he wasn't hailing the virtues of Visa's transaction handling, he was pointing out their transaction rate as a guide to what is required to meet the needs of commerce today. BTC is nowhere near where it needs to be if it is to take over.

      I wasn't commenting on BTC, just correcting a common misunderstanding of how credit card transactions work.

      If you want a comment on BTC, though, I'll say this: The only way to scale to very high transaction volumes is by decentralizing. BTC's problem is that it is too centralized, which seems an odd thing to say about a fully decentralized transaction ledger, but it's true. The problem is that there's only one ledger, and all copies of it must be synchronized. I can think of a few different ways this could be solved, so the problem isn't inherent in blockchain-based cryptocurrencies, but only represents a flaw in the design of this one.

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  4. Re:Some people got rich overnight by Zaelath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some people, like the owner of this address https://bitinfocharts.com/bitc... got $43million richer overnight, if they could cash out all of their bitcoin cash holdings right now.

    FTFY

  5. Literally a joke by Kaenneth · · Score: 3, Informative

    Most on the mining power for 'Bitcoin Cash' aka 'BCash' was applied as a joke; they have less than 7% of the hashing power of BTC; and could be easily taken over with a 51% attack on mining.

    https://bitsonline.com/hong-ko...

    it's not split in half, it's split off a sliver.

    Disclosure, I own one quarter of one Bitcoin/BCash.

    1. Re:Literally a joke by FeelGood314 · · Score: 2

      The 51% attack is mostly theoretical. Yes, it could be done but it would destroy the value of what you are stealing so what would be the point? Plus, there would be blow back. It would tarnish the value of BTC. There will be an equilibrium between the price of BCC and BTC in value and in hashing ability. The two will closely follow each other with the Hashing power lagging slightly. The only value in Bit coins is their ability to facilitate transactions. If the new Bit cash is better it will likely gain in value.

    2. Re:Literally a joke by Kaenneth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly to destroy it.

  6. Does this break the limited supply 'feature'? by Mr307 · · Score: 2

    Its my understanding that bitcoin is not a fiat currency there is no proclamation from anyone with authority claiming its value, as well its not a currency backed by a commodity or good, so controlling the scarcity seems to be an incredibly important factor.

    If I understand it correctly, previously the rate was limited to a linear function of time, but now this appears to be very broken as it can be doubled at any time?

    And lastly I haven't even looked to see how the market for the currency has been affected but I would assume that it has to decrease as people come to understand the total amount of currency can be doubled or more at any time?

    1. Re:Does this break the limited supply 'feature'? by wvmarle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It sound more like that they created what is effectively an entirely new currency, after all the two are incompatible.

      So somehow, they created a huge amount of value (on paper, at least - good luck converting all these "coins" in real world cash) unless the original BTC has dropped by USD 600 per coin at the same time. Nothing like it is mentioned in TFS.

      So originally you had one BTC valued at USD 2,700. After the split you still have your BTC valued at USD 2,700, but on top of that a BTC-Cash that's valued at USD 600. So now your holding has a paper value of USD 3,300.

      Weird. But then I've also never really understood the speculation going on in stock markets and futures and commodities and whatnot.

    2. Re:Does this break the limited supply 'feature'? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's an extra wrinkle: it's downright trivial to make your own new 'coin'(at least if it's a close clone of one of the existing ones; making more significant architectural changes would obviously be a bigger job). There are even handy web interfaces that will make them for you; just plug in your parameters and go.

      However, creating a new variant doesn't affect the scarcity of the existing variant: there are more 'coins' in circulation overall; but 'coins' from one fork can always be distinguished from those of the other; so the scarcity of Fork X 'coins' remains the same; but now there are Fork Y 'coins' as well.

      The really scarce resource is interest: as noted, having your own pet 'coin' and blockchain is extremely trivial; but also likely to be worthless because you can't pass it off as being the 'real thing'; and nobody else cares about it. This incident is somewhat notable not in that it's the creation of yet another cryptocurrency variant(which happens all the time); but that there was enough discontent with the existing arrangement that the fork has actually attracted some attention and isn't completely worthless.

    3. Re:Does this break the limited supply 'feature'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Agreed, it is inaccurate to claim that the supply of bitcoin doubled. OP is trolling and does not understand blockchains. Anyone can fork bitcoin at anytime, but their fork will likely not have any network support and will quickly fizzle. Bitcoin cash (UAHF) was able to leverage the hype built around bip 148 UASF to gain some traction (7% of the network hashrate) and we shall see how the market reacts to it. An interesting "feature" (that OP failed to recognize in their ignorance of blockchains) is that UTXOs created prior to Aug 1. now hold more value than those created after the hard fork, that is interesting and new. One could imagine that far in the future after many generations of splitting has occurred, that classic UTXOs will hold tremendous value beyond that tied to just the bitcoin they control due to this exponential value creation feature.

    4. Re:Does this break the limited supply 'feature'? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Its my understanding that bitcoin is not a fiat currency

      there is no proclamation from anyone with authority claiming its value, as well its not a currency backed by a commodity or good, so controlling the scarcity seems to be an incredibly important factor.

      You just described every modern fiat currency.

    5. Re:Does this break the limited supply 'feature'? by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Informative

      Weird. But then I've also never really understood the speculation going on in stock markets and futures and commodities and whatnot.

      If you're like me, you do, but rejected the correct answer because it seemed so silly.

      It's explained reasonably well by analogy with the Parable of the Ox Explained here on the BBC's excellent "More Or Less" radio programme/podcast, but if you prefer to read here's the author's post.

    6. Re:Does this break the limited supply 'feature'? by gsslay · · Score: 1

      Except the value of your BTC-Cash is entirely speculative. It could turn out to be entirely worthless. "Value" is only determined by how much others are interest in having your BTC-Cash. If no-one cares, then all you have is a heap of bits costing disk space.

      Creating a new currency is easy and can be done by anyone using anything. Get a post-it off your desk, draw a smiley face and write the number 100 on it. There you go, you have ownership of a new currency. Open Notepad, type a few random words and save it with a file name of "1 million.cash". There you go, a new virtual currency. Value? Absolutely nothing. No-one cares.

      Ultimately Bitcoin Cash could be no different.

    7. Re:Does this break the limited supply 'feature'? by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Same for bitcoin and all the other cryptocurrencies. That's why I added "good luck converting them".

      The original bitcoin seems to be fairly liquid, and reasonably easy to convert in reasonably large volume, though if someone wants to convert any significant amount (say a thousand of them) they'd likely run into serious trouble already.

      It's all speculative, highly speculative. Just like most stocks on the stock market (and all short term movements of their value). There are few if any companies that would be able to buy back all their stock at current rates due to the high speculative factor in the price.

    8. Re:Does this break the limited supply 'feature'? by Troed · · Score: 1

      1000 BTC would be about 3 million USD. That's an order of magnitude, or two, lower than the daily trading volume.

      https://blockchain.info/charts...

    9. Re:Does this break the limited supply 'feature'? by swillden · · Score: 2

      It's explained reasonably well by analogy with the Parable of the Ox

      No, it isn't. At least, it isn't if we're talking about shares in real companies, or quantities of real commodities.

      The parable starts out pretty good, but where it breaks down is in its assumption that the scale goes away completely. In the parable, the weight of the ox becomes entirely divorced from any sort of reality, but that doesn't happen in securities, because there is an underlying value in the security: it's future earning potential. The parable really needs to add some notion that the ox, or parts of it, will eventually be weighed, actually weighed, not just acceptance of an average value of guesses, and incorrect guesses will lose at that point.

      For example, for the last couple of years I've been investing money now and then in shares of TSLA. At this point, I own a few thousand dollars worth of the company, based on the current consensus view of what the whole company is worth, divided by the number of shares in total. Now this consensus total value is many, many times the value of Tesla's actual assets. And it's also significantly higher than most other common methods of estimating value, based on revenue, income, etc.

      Why is it high? Because lots of people guess it should be? Sort of... but not really. And we will eventually find out whether that high valuation was or was not correct. The ox will get weighed. How?

      It's high because there is a possibility that Tesla will experience explosive success, generating massive revenues and profits that will replay the relatively high cost of investing now. Pulling the price down, though, is the possibility that Tesla will fail to achieve that level of success, but just continue being a niche carmaker. Pulling it down some more is the possibility that the EV and solar home markets will never really pan out, or that Tesla will fail to execute well on delivering its promises to its customers. In either case, it could crash and burn, becoming worth a tiny fraction of its current value, or even going bankrupt. I owned one stock that followed this path, becoming completely worthless.

      There's an underlying business that will succeed or fail, and in doing so will justify some current stock price. We don't know what that currently-justifiable price is, which is where the uncertainty and the guessing come in. But, as I said before, the ox will be weighed. There is a core reality underlying the security whose value we're guessing; it's not pure guess-averaging.

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    10. Re:Does this break the limited supply 'feature'? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      So now your holding has a paper value of USD 3,300

      Papervalue is meaningless when trading volumes are low. Large volumes of trading causes stabilization.

      For instance. I give you a GarbzCoin. It's worth $1000. Try converting it to $1000 by selling it. Personally I won't even given you $1000 for it. I may have told you that's what it's worth but hey that's just the paper value. There's no intrinsic value if no one else will give you $1000 for it, so it's essentially worthless.

      Now if I gave you a GarbzCoin. It's worth $1000. Hundreds of other people have GarbzCoins worth $1000 each and they buy and sell them all the time. You're far more likely to find someone who will offer you that much as they can see other people are buying and selling and using it. I may eve take the coin back for $1000. That is stability through trading volume.

      No one with hordes of bitcoin cash can sell it now. Doing so would annihilate its value as it is nothing more than paper value.

  7. Re:Some people got rich overnight by Kaenneth · · Score: 2

    Except, for the moment, there is nowhere to cash them out.

  8. Awesome! by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    Now both projects are exactly half as relevant to their purpose. Good job guys.

    1. Re:Awesome! by Wootery · · Score: 1

      exactly half

      Depends on adoption, no?

      If I made a WooteryCoin fork, and everyone rightly ignored it, it wouldn't impact the value of BitCoin at all, right?

  9. 56 Transactions/Sec? by mentil · · Score: 4, Informative

    So the main feature is that the block size is 8x the size of BTC's. So now instead of the entire network being able to only handle 7 transactions/second it can handle only 56? SWIFT handles ~350 transactions/second on a good day, for comparison. Furthermore, the entire blockchain at this point is currently ~126GB. That's enough to fill up most mobile devices by itself. So with 8x the block size, the blockchain will soon be in the terabytes? Storage isn't getting larger/cheaper at that rate any more. Sounds like someone needs to fix the "you need the entire history of the world's financial transactions" problem next.

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    1. Re:56 Transactions/Sec? by Khyber · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Storage isn't getting larger/cheaper at that rate any more. Sounds like someone needs to fix the "you need the entire history of the world's financial transactions" problem next."

      Won't happen, can't happen. Idiots still haven't learned the problems experienced in the 70s regarding permissionless distributed databases. Rather, people aren't teaching them because they (foolishly) ignored mathematical proofs, then actual demonstration.

      It simply cannot scale with technology and human transactions.

      And it's repeating that history as evidenced by this fork (which STILL isn't good enough, the short-sighted idiots.)

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    2. Re:56 Transactions/Sec? by complete+loony · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To mine you only need to hash the latest block, so long as you can trust other people to verify the transactions you are hashing.

      To verify new transactions, you only need to keep the set of unspent transactions around, and you could partition that easily enough.

      And you could depend on other people to hold all that data for you. There's no real advantage to everyone storing the whole block chain forever, so long as enough people have a backup copy somewhere.

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    3. Re:56 Transactions/Sec? by joshki · · Score: 1

      Can you elaborate a little on the issues with permissionless distributed databases?

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    4. Re:56 Transactions/Sec? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      And you could depend on other people to hold all that data for you. There's no real advantage to everyone storing the whole block chain forever, so long as enough people have a backup copy somewhere.

      There's not even a need for that, for every X blocks create an "account overview" listing all the bitcoin addresses and their value and sign it into the block chain. After it has received X verifications (where X >> than an ordinary transaction) ordinary clients can for practical purposes forget everything before that. If the block chain is subverted, you could rewrite the accounts... but you can rewrite the transactions too, so you're not really more fucked than before.

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    5. Re:56 Transactions/Sec? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Simply put, we'd need our technology to advance by 3 orders of magnitude more than it already is to keep pace with the exponential influx of data that builds up as you have to keep sending data to ALL the decentralized peers, and that gets worse as more and more peers participate in the 'database.' The infrastructure alone that's required to support that kind of growth simply doesn't exist and can't be built out, which is why everything moved right back to having centralized locations.

      What's old is new, and people still refuse to learn from history.

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    6. Re:56 Transactions/Sec? by complete+loony · · Score: 1

      One of my options was that you can verify the entire blockchain, but you don't have to keep spent transactions. So long as you trust your own memory of that verification, you'll be fine.

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  10. systemd-bitcoin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Let's add it.

  11. BitCoin is broken, and the fork is the only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What I read was that that block limit is a hack and could be and should be done away with, that the effect of hitting the limit has been to drive up transactions costs. The cost of a transaction should be some microscopic fraction of a cent, but now it's 5.50 USD.

    The people who are raking in the money are the huge (and I hate to say it) Chinese mining pools. And *these* people, I read, are launching DDOS attacks on anyone trying to increase the block size.

    Finally, I've also read the guy in the charge of the source base is a complete no-hoper, which is why there's finally been a fork - people are trying to get BitCoin out of the pit it's fallen into.

  12. Re:Some people got rich overnight by gsslay · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And as soon as they attempted to, the value of them would plummet.

  13. Re:Some people got rich overnight by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they were to "cash out" all their bitcoin holdings the price would plummet before selling even more than 1000 btc. Try to cash out and see what happens in a market with no volume.

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  14. BTC "investors" are paying for a blockchain test by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    The enduring contribution of Bitcoin appears to be the blockchain idea, which is being tested in a number of applications the Bitcoin developers never envisioned:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
    These would enable such things as personal identity to be managed without a central authority.

    The BTC split subjects Bitcoin users to an involuntary A/B test of a change to the original blockchain that could support faster transaction processing. Let's see whether the winner is A, B, or none of the above.

  15. Re:Some people got rich overnight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Over $400million in volume yesterday. Not exactly "no volume".

    Seems like the people on the exchanges got their BCC/BCH and the price actually went up.

  16. Re:Some people got rich overnight by Aaden42 · · Score: 2

    Transaction volume within a currency isn't the same thing as transfer in/out volume. Bajillions of dollars worth of transactions are conducted in USD every day. If suddenly everyone who had USD tried to sell it for some other currency, the price of USD would plummet.

    The fact that lots of transactions fly back & forth within BTC doesn't mean you'd find the equivalent in value of people willing to give you fiat currency for your BTC. The guy with $43mill? That's over 10% of the daily volume. Try to shift 10% of a currency's daily volume into sales to another currency. You're in Zimbabwe territory at that point.

  17. Quite frankly "bitcoin" itself is overrated. by BlueCoder · · Score: 1

    It was the first but that doesn't mean it should stay on top. There is no value to it other than what we give it in our minds. There is no reason to stay with it as it does have problems. Both groups should stop using the name "bitcoin". There is room and a need for multiple digital currencies.

    Bitcoin is simply not good for consumer transactions. If you can wait 15 minutes to an hour to complete transactions like stock purchases use to take in 1901 then it's viable. If I am dealing in large amounts of money then I prefer bitcoin and can wait.

  18. Re:Let's fork it again, and again, and again... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    For more information, see FlappyCoin and MoonCoin.

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  19. Simplify this by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    When you consider Bitcoin to be a similar value proposition to a stock market, then you understand Bitcoin value better.

    And the fork is a unique event, probably causing more trouble than it solves. But value? If Bill Gates liquidated his Microsoft shares, would he impact the price, and therefore his value? Yup. Bitcoin holders are sort of trapped in their market.

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  20. Sell twice by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    If I understand correctly, the owner of a pre-fork bitcoin can now sell it twice, on standard bitcoin and on bitcoin cash.

    That is not a huge problem, except for platforms that pretend to handle both bitcoins. I assume they will need to consider them as two distinct currencies.