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Monsanto Leaks Suggest It Tried To Kill Cancer Research On Roundup Weed Killer (rt.com)

Danny Hakim reports via The New York Times (Warning: article may be paywalled; alternate source): Documents released Tuesday in a lawsuit against Monsanto raised new questions about the company's efforts to influence the news media and scientific research and revealed internal debate over the safety of its highest-profile product, the weed killer Roundup. The active ingredient in Roundup, glyphosate, is the most common weed killer in the world and is used by farmers on row crops and by home gardeners. While Roundup's relative safety has been upheld by most regulators, a case in federal court in San Francisco continues to raise questions about the company's practices and the product itself.

The documents underscore the lengths to which the agrochemical company goes to protect its image. Documents show that Henry I. Miller, an academic and a vocal proponent of genetically modified crops, asked Monsanto to draft an article for him that largely mirrored one that appeared under his name on Forbes's website in 2015. Mr. Miller could not be reached for comment. A similar issue appeared in academic research. An academic involved in writing research funded by Monsanto, John Acquavella, a former Monsanto employee, appeared to express discomfort with the process, writing in a 2015 email to a Monsanto executive, "I can't be part of deceptive authorship on a presentation or publication." He also said of the way the company was trying to present the authorship: "We call that ghost writing and it is unethical." Mr. Miller's 2015 article on Forbes's website was an attack on the findings of the International Agency for Research on Cancer, a branch of the World Health Organization that had labeled glyphosate a probable carcinogen, a finding disputed by other regulatory bodies. In the email traffic, Monsanto asked Mr. Miller if he would be interested in writing an article on the topic, and he said, "I would be if I could start from a high-quality draft." The article appeared under Mr. Miller's name, and with the assertion that "opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own." The magazine did not mention any involvement by Monsanto in preparing the article.

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  1. So What? by AK+Marc · · Score: 5, Funny

    Company kills people for profit, then covers it up?

    How is this news? It's called "capitalism".

    1. Re:So What? by Pentium100 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      When a discussion about genetically modified food comes up, I always say that the technology itself is great, but also, the management and some stock holders of Monsanto need to get a one way ticket to Siberia.

    2. Re:So What? by gnick · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You can't argue with 900 people who've been diagnosed with cancer. Really, you can't. Even though they're dead wrong, there's no arguing with them. It's too emotional and they're desperate for someone to blame. Comparing it to vaccinations and autism is pretty apt.

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    3. Re:So What? by AK+Marc · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The other is that the pro-GMO people insist that anti-GMO means that if you eat GMO, that you die.

      GMO is bad because of mono crop issues.

      GMO is bad because resistance to herbicides induces over-use of them.

      GMO is bad because GMO has been used to have plants make toxins. So GMO food can contain poison. And there are no regulations about this or any other use of GMO.

      GMO is bad because it has been used to make kill-genes, even if only in the lab, and between that and mono-crop the results of a wide-spread release could cause massive destruction.

      GMO is bad because Monsanto claims it's harmless, and when Monsanto says something, the opposite is more likely true.

      But the pro-GMO crowd doesn't talk about the reasonable objections. Instead, it's all about the strawman.

    4. Re:So What? by black3d · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Agent Orange isn't glyphosate. It doesn't contain any of the same active ingredients (besides water). Monsanto was one of several companies which manufactured the herbicide under contract to the US government. It was never safe for use on populations. Blaming Monsanto for Agent Orange is like blaming a firearms manufacturer for someone shooting up a gay nightclub.

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    5. Re:So What? by Antibozo · · Score: 2

      Except nobody has ever died from glyphosate. .

      You make claims you cannot POSSIBLY prove, as though you alone are privy to the truth.

      I had buddies who were doused with Agent Orange in Viet Nam, and every single one of them died of related cancers.

      I'd like to see you disprove that. But even more I'd like to see YOU stricken with terminal cancer. I hope it comes for you soon.

      That's nice.

      Agent Orange didn't harm people because of the herbicides, which, as black3d has explained, have nothing to do with glyphosate. It was the TCDD dioxin, which was a contaminant resulting from the manufacturing process. The government was in fact warned about this, and they chose to spray it anyway.

    6. Re:So What? by black3d · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, the Johnson & Johnson claims keep getting over-turned on appeal. There have been plenty of claims, but they don't end up paying them out because the science doesn't support talc causing ovarian cancer. But yes, another jury of members of the public has found in favour of a claimant. Doubtless, it'll again be overturned on appeal. There's lots to read about this, but it is odd that the only 'scientific' studies that find there is a statistically significant link between un-contaminated talc powder and cancer, are those being performed by claimants, and nobody else can replicate their results. http://www.latimes.com/busines...

      As for glyphosate, they ARE very, very clear about it. It's the most widely used herbicide in the world. It has been tested over and over and over again. There's no *evidence* it causes cancer. That's it. (Evidence, that is, which is able to be replicated. Anybody can make a claim in a study, but there's no peer-reviewed, replicated studies, which find any link between glyphosate and any form of cancer).

      And be a test subject? Sure - I'll happily eat any and all GMOs. I go out of my way to avoid any food labelled 'organic' between 1) I don't support fear-mongering, and 2) I generally know from a most-used range of 6 products, which pesticides and herbicides are being used on non-organic crops. Conversely, I *don't* know which of over 170 organic-approved pesticides/herbicides are being used on organic crops, Most of these are more toxic than glyphosate, and unlike glyphosate, most have not been through 40 years of studies to prove their safety.

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    7. Re:So What? by rtb61 · · Score: 5, Informative

      GMO will have great benefits if done properly. No poison crops, no cross breeding in the wild with related organisms, no self destruct genes. Do it smart in controlled environments ie highly genetically modified algae or more specifically kelp et al and you can grow anything you want in a salt water tank, any protein, sugar, carbohydrate, salt, any flavour or texture, low allergen because the plant does not need to protect itself as much growing in a protected environment. Done in major production facilities very close to demand and producing year round. As a bonus millions of hectares of farm land freed to become natural parks creating a healthier environment for us all. Energy is key.

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    8. Re:So What? by jenningsthecat · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Those that cling to "glyphosate causes cancer" and "Monsatan is the devil" are the same folks who believe in chemtrails, vaccines causing autism, and countless other health conspiracies.

      Not true. I don't know enough to have an opinion on glyphosate as a carcinogen, I don't believe in chemtrails, I advocate childhood vaccination, and I get flu shots every year. And I still say Monsanto is evil, because they've proved it over and over again. BTW, thanks for the "Monsatan" moniker - I'm definitely going to use that.

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    9. Re: So What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "And there are no regulations about this or any other use of GMO."

      And here's where we get to you spouting nonsense. GMO foodstuffs are the most heavily regulated of any crops. Also, it's interesting that you'll happily consume the exact same 'toxin' when it's produced in another plant, but use transgenesis to bring that same trait to a GMO crop to protect it against parasites, and you lose your mind?

      I really should debunk you point by point since your entire argument is "they won't debate these perfectly fine points", but since you're believe "GMOs are unregulated", it's really be a waste of time since you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. I can only suppose you're repeating talking points you heard somewhere.

    10. Re: So What? by black3d · · Score: 5, Funny

      No worries. Keep in mind, if the merger with Bayer goes ahead, we'll be switching across to "Bayerzebub".

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    11. Re:So What? by AK+Marc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, because done right, it has benefits, that means that done wrong should be tolerated or encouraged? Since labor builds value, slavery should be legal. Nope, just because done right is good, it doesn't mean that it should be done poorly, at all, under any circumstances.

    12. Re:So What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      GMO will have great benefits if done properly. ... no cross breeding in the wild with related organisms,

      Sorry to break it to you, but plants are whores. Pollen season is literally mass plant jizzing everywhere trying to find any and all possible mates. So, it's basically impossible to do GMO properly if it depends in any part on wild plants not cross breeding.

      Do it smart in controlled environments ie highly genetically modified algae or more specifically kelp et al and you can grow anything you want in a salt water tank, any protein, sugar, carbohydrate, salt, any flavour or texture, low allergen because the plant does not need to protect itself as much growing in a protected environment.

      Uh, yea, good luck with that. Seriously, your suggestion only makes sense if one starts with the premise that all of humanity has been forced underground and the only means of production is reliant on artificial light. Otherwise, there's no amount of your suggestion that works to scale that's containable. Everything else and you're basically putting up wire fences and crossing your fingers that your algae doesn't fall into the ocean or a nearby lake because of a tornado, flood, etc.

      Done in major production facilities very close to demand and producing year round. As a bonus millions of hectares of farm land freed to become natural parks creating a healthier environment for us all. Energy is key.

      Yes, energy is key. Do you have an idea of how much energy is collected by plants currently to produce the food supply and how much energy would be required to make a much more compact system of waste processing to provide for your hypothetical system? Look into all the Biosphere projects that failed horrible. Get back to me when you're not just hand waving about energy as if even that is a solvable thing.

    13. Re:So What? by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's crazy because if they would simply LABEL GMO (and what genes were added from what other plant/animal) instead of sneaking it in, then people wouldn't have rare allergic reactions and most would buy it if it were 10% cheaper.

      Then after 5 years, they could raise the prices to be the same and folks would stay with it.

      But as it is, they act so shady that it makes people suspicious.

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    14. Re:So What? by yndrd1984 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      GMO is bad because of mono crop issues.

      Do you think that people would be rotating crops more without GMOs? Or are you misusing the term "mono crop".

      GMO is bad because resistance to herbicides induces over-use of them.

      Which is only even possible for herbicide-related traits, and why refuges are required, and why new traits dealing with different herbicides are developed - and this has also been a (minor, manageable) issue ever since we had herbicides.

      GMO is bad because GMO has been used to have plants make toxins. So GMO food can contain poison.

      BT is toxic only to insects, and is frequently used by organic farmers.

      And there are no regulations about this or any other use of GMO.

      Are you insane? You don't believe that the USDA, FDA, and EPA regulate GMOs?

      GMO is bad because it has been used to make kill-genes, even if only in the lab, and between that and mono-crop the results of a wide-spread release could cause massive destruction.

      So something that hasn't existed outside a lab, of a company that has pledged never to use it, that farmers don't want, if it became very common in farming, might, in a sci-fi scenario in your head, cause 'massive destruction'. Do you fear a robot uprising as well?

      GMO is bad because Monsanto claims it's harmless, and when Monsanto says something, the opposite is more likely true.

      Non sequitur.

      But the pro-GMO crowd doesn't talk about the reasonable objections. Instead, it's all about the strawman.

      Right, the "Frankenfood" fear-mongering didn't really exist.

      I don't mean to be rude, this is probably one of the most well-written anti-GMO screeds I've seen, but it's still all just the equivalent of saying "computers are bad because they give off radiation (radio waves), increase our carbon footprint, and can be used to make military drone strikes" in a world where cell phones and wifi are banned in Europe because of brain-cancer worries and 'it caused my headaches'.

    15. Re:So What? by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      GMO is bad because Monsanto claims it's harmless, and when Monsanto says something, the opposite is more likely true.

      Non sequitur.

      You'd like to think that, but history shows us that Monsanto Always Lies. Kind of like TEPCO.

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    16. Re: So What? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Beyond just the health aspects, there are very significant environmental and ecological reasons for organic farming.

      Please. Tell us the scientifically proven health advantages of food which has been classified "organic" over food which has not been classified "organic".

      Reading comprehension is not a thing that you do, is it son?

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    17. Re: So What? by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      So that's a "no" then?

      The health benefits aren't necessarily for the people who eat the food, but for everyone.

      It's also worth pointing out here that "USDA Organic" is a bullshit farce. "Organic" includes the idea of cyclical systems where feces is returned to the fields and where community health is bolstered by soil health. If you want a meaningful organic certification you have to look to biodynamic, which also includes a bunch of mystical bullshit. There is no true organic farming certification which is worthy of the name. (Yes, it's a stupid name. I didn't make it up, so don't sue me.)

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    18. Re: So What? by black3d · · Score: 3, Informative

      Right. I'm glad you were able to provide an unbiased source which hasn't firebombed crops and has solid science to back up their general anti-GMO paranoia. An organisation which has saved tens of thousands of children from having to deal with the burden of sight, through blocking golden rice. If I knew your source was credible militant anti-science, anti-human Luddites, I would never have dared ask.

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    19. Re:So What? by Kiuas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, because done right, it has benefits, that means that done wrong should be tolerated or encouraged?

      That's not what he said or implied though. He pointed out that there are ways in which GMOs can be used correctly and for the benefit of everyone to get better food with less energy/demand on the soil.

      The whole problem with the GMO-discussion is that people mix up 2 things, namely the scientific process of genetic modification, and the gigantic corporations that seek to make profit using the process - sometimes in ethically questionable ways.

      All of the food we eat is 'genetically modified' in the sense that we've been breeding and artificially selecting for desirable traits in plants and animals for millenia, now it's just become possible to do it at way faster timescales and increasing accuracy. The fact that there is corporate greed and instances seeking to take advantage of this process for their own personal benefit at the expense of other people does not invalidate the process of gene modification itself anymore than criminals and scammers using the internet for malicious ends makes the whole of the internet a bad thing.

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    20. Re: So What? by Entrope · · Score: 3, Informative

      GMO is not sufficient to cause crop monoculture.

    21. Re: So What? by Entrope · · Score: 2

      So GMOs cause peanut, soy, etc. allergies?

      No wonder people used to be less freaked out about them.

    22. Re:So What? by coofercat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Done right" for GMO sounds to me like "done right" for nuclear power - it's possible, but it'll never really happen because financial realities always make it fail.

      Selective breeding has nature taking a hand in the outcome, and as such it far less likely to cause a problem that we find hard to solve (although exceptions occur, I guess). GMO research is frankly at the very beginning - we "think" a particular gene or whatever 'turns on and off' some feature of the plant, but honestly, we have no idea what else it does too. I strongly suspect that in a few decades people will wonder how on earth we ate any of the GMO food around today. Then they'll look into it and realise the only way people would buy it was if it was mixed in with non-GMO and not labelled as such.

      I'm by no means saying we shouldn't research this stuff - I just seriously doubt we know even half of what we really need to know for it to be "done right".

    23. Re: So What? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      [Citation needed]

      Citations are everywhere. They are not even difficult to find. They lied about PCBs, They lied about Agent Orange... you name something Monsanto said was safe which wasn't safe and you can find a citation showing that they knew that it was hazardous.

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    24. Re:So What? by pi_rules · · Score: 2

      GMO is bad because GMO has been used to have plants make toxins. So GMO food can contain poison.

      You mean the BT expressing crops? The ones that make crystal protein structures identical to what's made by the organic pesticide BT? You can drop the exact same stuff on organic crops and there's no limit to how much can be on a food crop at harvest. The stuff is so safe the FDA doesn't care if you eat it.

    25. Re: So What? by mrclevesque · · Score: 2

      "They already have to prove that it's basically biologically indistinguishable from standard bananas before they can sell it."

      Of course they can't prove that.

      A GMO plat is biologically different by the biological definition of its difference. But bio-engineering companies can prove that any particular plant and its GMO version are legally identical because before they started selling GMOs for human consumption they went to court and won that ruling.

    26. Re: So What? by Khyber · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "I buy it because it's a shortcut to confirming that a food product is all-natural."

      You've been mislead by marketing bullshit and you'd better go re-read the entirety of the USDA certification for Organic status.

      Because plenty of non natural things are allowed.

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  2. Other things that are probable carcinogens by JBMcB · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just for a bit of perspective:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Nitrates, which are found in pretty much any kind of meat or leafy vegetable
    Nearly everything that comes out of the tailpipe of a car
    An organic compound found in most essential oils and grapefruit juice
    Rubber
    The topical medicine used to kill lice
    A compound formed when cooking any meat
    An organic compound found in algae and kelp
    A compound used to make synthetic glycerol used in medical applications
    Ironically, some of the chemicals used to treat certain types of cancers
    An antibiotic on the WHO's list of essential medications
    Most steroids
    One of the most popular drugs used to treat diabetes
    Most fire retardants, including the one usually used in solar cells
    The drink Mate
    Pretty much anything that is fried

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    1. Re:Other things that are probable carcinogens by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Just for a bit of perspective:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

      Local man uses wikipedia in plea for perspective. Goes up in flames.

      "Who cares about your so-called "study"? I HAVE WIKIPEDIA DAMMIT."

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    2. Re:Other things that are probable carcinogens by dbIII · · Score: 2

      Ironically, some of the chemicals used to treat certain types of cancers

      Not ironic at all. A lot of cancer treatments are about killing any fast growing cells, which is mostly going to be the cancer. They are powerful poisons designed to kill but work as a treatment because they don't kill you all at once. If there is enough of you left after all the cancer has been killed off you are cured.

    3. Re:Other things that are probable carcinogens by Trogre · · Score: 2

      You forgot sunlight.

      Sunlight is a Group 1 carcinogen, the highest ranking there is.

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    4. Re:Other things that are probable carcinogens by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The point is that they tried to suppress the research.

      The question is how risky is glycophosphate that they felt the need to try to suppress research.

      This is like Donald Trump and Jared Kushak's meeting with the russians.

      A) no meeting reported...
      B) there was a meeting with one russian lawyer about adoptions and was meaningless.
      C) uh.. okay so there was a meeting with 2 russians.
      DEF) Increasingly more russians.
      G) Okay so it was supposed to be about russians providing damaging clinton/DNC information
      H) Uh.. Okay so I do have a relationship with the participants going back for years and I did say, "I love it!" when I thought it was about clinton.
      I) Oops.. some of the russians are ex intelligence officers and/or have intelligence training.

      Monsanto is at step B).

      Is it going to turn out that glycophosphates are as carcinogenic as saccharine (not much/really have to literally eat the stuff by the handful) or is it going to be as carcinogenic as dioxins (which were also wonderful and safe until they were not).

      Do we stop at step B.. or are we going to step R?

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  3. A need for global regulation by jandersen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is yet another technology where there is a clear need for strong regulation, IMO. Gene manipulation is a technology that has huge potential implications, both good and bad; it can - and probably will in the future - be used to improve crop yields and add disease resistance, and it is of course already being tried out in gene therapies for a number of serious conditions. We could produce many important chemicals - drugs and other - in a cheap and easy way by modifying a suitable micro organism. But as Monsanto and others have demonstrated, companies and individuals driven by short-sighted greed can potentially cause enormous harm, not the least of which is the damage to public trust in this technology. Maybe this is too radical, but I am probably in favour on a complete ban on the commercial exploitation on gene editing technology until we have a set of strong and clear, global regulations in place; all research into this should be publicly funded and published in open access journals.

  4. Re:The real question is was it a net positive? by arth1 · · Score: 2

    I know there's negatives to round-up, but considering how much more efficient farmers are these days, was it a positive?

    That depends on how you define positive.
    Some may not see biodiversity going down as positive.
    Some may not see glyphosate resistant weeds as positive.
    And some may not see family farms closing down or being transformed to agricultural factories as positive.

  5. Re:Monsanto tries to kills us - what's our respons by Antibozo · · Score: 2, Informative

    You did claim that.

    No, i really didn't.

    The parent claimed Monsanto was KILLING AMERICAN CITIZENS. I merely wonder where the piles of dead people are. I suspect it is news to the AC that cancer in the U.S. has been declining steadily for a long time.

  6. The legal and business model behind GMO are bad. by Ihlosi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    GMO is bad because it has been used to make kill-genes, even if only in the lab, and between that and mono-crop the results of a wide-spread release could cause massive destruction.

    Or lock the farmers into having to buy their seeds from one certain manufacturer. Essentially, GMO allow a few companies to control the world's food supply.

    And then there's lawsuits due to patent and other forms of IP issues. "Sorry, you're gonna starve now because you infringed our copyright."

  7. Manufacturing Death by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The real problem is not discovering yet another corporation lying about how dangerous their product is. The real problem is nothing is being done about it. There's not a fucking thing that will come out of these latest "shocking" revelations. Never has. Never will.

    You want to know how insane it is? If sanctions were actually taken against Monsanto for poisoning food crops and killing people, their lawyers would point to the tobacco industry and say, "Hey! No fair! How come they get to kill people and we can't?!?"

    Greed N. Corruption runs capitalism today, and the lack of action taken against deadly corporations shows that it is sanctioned at the highest levels. The reason is quite simple; resource management is a responsibility held by every government, and population control is a key component of that responsibility.

    Before you label that a conspiracy, take a good hard look at how many deadly products are legal today. Why would Greed ever want to cure cancer? There's trillions to be made treating it instead and it ensures deaths. Outlaw tobacco? Yeah right. That's another Win-Win industry.

    Death is no longer merely a side-effect of life. It is now manufactured.

  8. Re:The real question is was it a net positive? by Antibozo · · Score: 2

    Family farms comprised 99% of U.S. farms in 2016, which is up from 97% in 2012.

    Count acreage or stop.

    Why? The claim was that family farms are being shut down or being turned into factories.

    Nonetheless, family farms accounted for 88% of farmland in 2012, and 94% in 2016.