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Syrian Open Source Developer Bassel Khartabil Believed Executed (www.cbc.ca)

TheSync writes: The Syrian open source developer, blogger, entrepreneur, hackerspace founder, and free culture advocate Bassell Khartabil was swept up in a wave of military arrests in March 2012. A CBC report states that his wife wrote on Facebook late Tuesday that she has received confirmation that security services executed Khartabil in October 2015 after torturing him in prison. Before his arrest, his most recent work included a 3D virtual reconstruction of the ancient city of Palmyra in Syria.
At the time of his arrest, Khartabi was 30 years old -- after which he started a blog called "MeInSyrianJail" and a Twitter account called "Live from my cell." Though he spent the last three and half years of his life in prison, he once tweeted that "Jail is not walls, not the executioner and guards. It is the hidden fear in our hearts that makes us prisoners." The latest tweet on his feed says "Rest in power our friend."

Thursday the Creative Commons nonprofit described the developer as "our friend and colleague," and announced the Bassel Khartabil Memorial Fund, "which will support projects in the spirit of Bassel's work."

151 comments

  1. Downside of choosing between two evils by elrous0 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    a) Assad regime
    b) ISIS

    pick any one

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    1. Re:Downside of choosing between two evils by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      c d e f ....
      Any number of rebel jihadist factions such as the infamous "white helmets".

    2. Re:Downside of choosing between two evils by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, those are all a vote for b.

    3. Re:Downside of choosing between two evils by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      g h i j ...

      The various Kurdish forces, and the moderate Syrian forces (back before their decline because no one was backing them).

    4. Re:Downside of choosing between two evils by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, it turns out the only way to win is not to play.

    5. Re:Downside of choosing between two evils by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The various Kurdish forces, and the moderate Syrian forces (back before their decline because no one was backing them).

      Even if any of those could manage to overthrow Assad, they themselves would almost certainly be immediately be overthrown by ISIS in the ensuing vacuum.

    6. Re:Downside of choosing between two evils by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/08/australias-pm-slowly-realizes-trump-is-a-complete-idiot.html

      A) Donald "Dumbass" Trump

      B) Anything else

    7. Re:Downside of choosing between two evils by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was other choices when it started, in fact ISIS wasn't there at all.
      But Assad worked very hard (freeing terrorists, killing any moderate) so that the only other choice was terrorists.
      That bastards like him managed to win makes me sick, and all the far-right/far-left assholes that support his lies make me puke.

    8. Re:Downside of choosing between two evils by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moderate Syrian forces. Surely you jest, or you haven't been paying attention.

    9. Re:Downside of choosing between two evils by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      False dichotomies FTW, amirite?

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    10. Re:Downside of choosing between two evils by unixisc · · Score: 1

      c d e f .... Any number of rebel jihadist factions such as the infamous "white helmets".

      Non ISIS Jihadists are still Jihadists. Even during good times, they'll attack not just Christians, Yazidis, Kurds & Druze, but also Muslims of sects other than their own. If they are one of the Saudi-backed Islamic Front groups or the Jabaat al-Nusra, they'll attack Alawites and other Shi'ites. If the McCains and other warmongers had their way, Syria would resemble either Morsi's Egypt, or Qatar. Even Egypt, which previously supported the insurrection in Syria, now supports Assad b'cos they're both threatened by the Muslim Brotherhood. Which countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Emirates, Bahrein, Israel, Syria, Iraq & Russia all outlaw, but Western countries can't bring themselves to accept that they are Jihadists.

    11. Re:Downside of choosing between two evils by unixisc · · Score: 2

      The Kurds are today powerful enough to hold their own. But they don't have territorial ambitions beyond where they live. So they'd happily take places like Kirkuk & Kobani, but they wouldn't be interested in Raqqa or Mosul. So it doesn't make sense to look at Kurds as the overall solution

      Besides, this year, the Kurds in Iraq will hold a referandum on seceeding, and will likely be joined by their Syrian comrades. So Arabs ain't likely to look at them as partners in anything

    12. Re: Downside of choosing between two evils by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There wasn't much wrong with Morsi's Egypt, certainly when compared with Mubarak or the murderous al-Sisi regime now in power. This Russian/Syrian trick of painting the Muslim Brotherhood as a monolithic terrorist organization is twisting reality.

    13. Re: Downside of choosing between two evils by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Yeah, tell that to the Copts, who were shit scared during that time. Or Israel, which expected its 30 year long peace treaty w/ Egypt to come to an end. The Muslim Brotherhood is the parent organization of al Qaeda & Hamas, and Qatar is one of the few Muslim countries that recognizes it as mainstream.

      The al Sisi regime ain't murderous, unless one happens to be a Libyan ISIS guerilla who beheads Copts, or launches attacks on Egyptian forces in the Libyan desert

  2. Press F to pay respects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    F

    *pays respects*

  3. It's Sunday, Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    his wife wrote on Facebook late Tuesday

    And the CBC report is from Thursday.

    Today is Sunday, Slashdot. What took you so long to put up this story?

    "Slashdot: old news for nerds, stuff that once mattered."

    1. Re:It's Sunday, Slashdot by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I was impressed that an article from CBC wouldn't be totally ignored by Slashdot.

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    2. Re:It's Sunday, Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Slashdot is powered by your submissions"
            - SOooo -
      Apparently nobody gives a rats ass.

    3. Re:It's Sunday, Slashdot by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Slashdot: Yesterday's news Today!

    4. Re:It's Sunday, Slashdot by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Today is Sunday, Slashdot. What took you so long to put up this story?

      They are going for a new speed record.

      Maybe you would be better served with the article on phone addiction and impatience of the current generation.

  4. Interaction with him by JoshuaZ · · Score: 2

    I only interacted with him a small amount, but he seemed like a nice guy. He was clearly very dedicated to all sorts of open-source projects and his dedication was combined with a cleverness and willingness to listen to those around him. He will be missed.

    1. Re:Interaction with him by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Informative

      The open source movement includes not just programming but a general dedication to open content and the ability to share and modify that content. A classic example is Wikipedia. Bassel was particularly involved in things related to Creative Commons https://creativecommons.org/2017/08/01/bassel/. This is all the same ethos. It is true that this sort of approach started with a focus on source code and programs but the movement is far larger than that.

    2. Re: Interaction with him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Being involved in open source means more than just writing code. Regardless, it took minimal effort to find that he was a contributor to Firefox.

      Quit being such a stuck up soggy twat waffle.

    3. Re:Interaction with him by GWXerog · · Score: 2

      Jesus fucking christ Stallman. How did you figure out how to comment on slashdot with you're retarted Emacs/email based web browsing system?

    4. Re:Interaction with him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot. Fake news for fake nerds. Clickbait that's trending.

    5. Re:Interaction with him by DuckDodgers · · Score: 5, Informative

      He worked on the Aiki Framework. Check https://github.com/aikiframewo... - he's got over 500 commits in the history changing actual code. He was a real software developer.

      I don't know what you're mouthing off about.

    6. Re:Interaction with him by Nutria · · Score: 2

      The open source movement includes not just programming

      But he's specifically called Open Source Developer , and that means "programmer".

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    7. Re: Interaction with him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be fun at parties and have lots of friends.

    8. Re: Interaction with him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which commits are his? There are several contributors to that repo. Post links to specific commits cobtaining actual and significant programming-related work. Prove that he did the actual work, and isn't just merging a pull request where somebody else did the work.

    9. Re: Interaction with him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's really sad considering Donald Trump just left him to die. Trump cares about nothing except his own money and how many lies he can get away with. Get away with.

      For fucks sake, "executed Khartabil in October 2015." Trump haters are idiots.

    10. Re: Interaction with him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever single damn day we see more proof of why Trump needs to be impeached.

    11. Re: Interaction with him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      https://github.com/aikiframework/aikiframework/commits/master?author=bassel

    12. Re: Interaction with him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoooooosh. It seems trump supporters are the idiots. You got whooshed bro!!

    13. Re: Interaction with him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not encouraging. I was expecting better. The commits I looked at were small change-it-until-it-maybe-works 'fixes'. Others were just moving files around, or changing licenses, or 'cleanups', or increasing version numbers. And I don't see 500 commits listed there, either. The few commits that are there are about as minimal and inconsequential as commits can get.

    14. Re:Interaction with him by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Has slashdot browsing been built into emacs as yet?

    15. Re: Interaction with him by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      git clone git@github.com:aikiframework/aikiframework.git ; cd aikiframework ; git log -p --author=Bassel

      There's a lot of boilerplate, trivial stuff in there or commits in which two lines in one file are changed and then all of the minified Javascript is regenerated. But that's true for me and all of the people I work with, too. There are still dozens of commits with serious, non-trivial code changes. The accusation that this guy was not an open source software developer is incorrect.

    16. Re: Interaction with him by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      I hate Trump, but you're not helping. We just found out Bassel was executed in 2015. So if you're going to blame a President, pick Obama.

      But either way it's absurd. It is the Syrian government killing a Syrian citizen - terrible, but the US government can't exactly force every other government in the world to choose its executions and pardons based on our decisions.

    17. Re: Interaction with him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's probably because he was a Muslim. It's well known that Muslims can't write code because they're too busy jihading, or something.

    18. Re:Interaction with him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But he's specifically called Open Source Developer , and that means "programmer".

      It does? Since when?

      When I hear the word "developer" I do not think of programmers at all.
      I usually associate that word with HW developers, but that doesn't mean that I don't understand that the word is a lot wider than that.

    19. Re:Interaction with him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found the paid government troll.

    20. Re:Interaction with him by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      a cleverness and willingness to listen to those around him.

      Well, behaviour like that would have got him a bullet in the head from either of the 4 or 5 sides in the area at this time. What did the Peacemonger-In-Chief once say? "If you're not with us, you're against us." Listening to others is dangerous to such attitudes and ... well, your associate paid the price.

      He wasn't the first, and won't be the last. He's unlikely to be in the last tens of millions.

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  5. Kim dot com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is what will happen to Kim if the evil Yankee régime get their hands on him.

  6. So PUTIN did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bad guy.

  7. Chickens have come home to roost. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The mess in the Middle East is the karma that we in the West are due. After western Europe gone done fucking things up, the USA went in and took over.

    We are destined now for continuous conflict in the Middle East. It will drain our coffers and accelerate our irrelevance in the World. If we're lucky we'll end up like Great Britain - and when they stopped their Imperialism, the standard of living of the average UK citizen went up, btw.

    As we continue along this path, we are headed for some very hard times economically and politically. America is not destined for greatness. In the quest to make us "great", our leaders have sent us down the road in the opposite direction. And the sad part is that most of those SOBs didn't or are not going to live to see the damage they caused.

    Millennials, you're stuck with it - and the bill. Any old fart gives you shit about -anything - let'em know that your cleaning up after their stupidity and shortsightedness.

    1. Re:Chickens have come home to roost. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A bright white flash seen Peace at last, glass cooling now Soon we can drill here

    2. Re: Chickens have come home to roost. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The men in the factory are old and cunning.
      You don't owe nothing,
      So boy get running!
      It's the best years of your life they want to steal...

    3. Re:Chickens have come home to roost. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot still needs a "sad" moderation option. -PCP

  8. Syrian Rebels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Nah, that's a false dichotomy. USA backed Syrian rebel forces, until Trump switched to backing Assad due to his Russian links.

    So he's currently ended CIA training of Syrian Rebels.

    We could also have stayed out of it till ISIS and Assad had fought to the end, then knocked out the now weakened winner. But that option was stopped when Putin came in to 'fight ISIS', i.e. bomb the crap out of Syrian Rebels under cover of boming ISIS.

    Trump's choices are similar to the Ukraine thing, GOP platform is to provide Ukraine with weapons. Trump's rep Manasfort (as the newly chosen Republican candidate) convinced them to change that to 'non-lethal' weapons. Again due to his Russian links.

    1. Re:Syrian Rebels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually tying the Trump administration directly to harmful foreign policy wrt Russian imperialism? What's next, you're gonna pull out some people he actually raped?

    2. Re:Syrian Rebels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or you know we can agree with the Russians that they were right to support Assad ....

    3. Re:Syrian Rebels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More likely he took a good look at the "rebels", realized the only result of supporting jihadists would be perpetual war and ended CIAs support.

    4. Re:Syrian Rebels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    5. Re: Syrian Rebels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it's better to have your oppression, murder and torture organized by a central state rather than being left to various groups of rabble.

    6. Re:Syrian Rebels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, "bomb the crap out of Syrian rebels", maybe yes, certainly, but hard to go make war in the East against ISIS without securing your country ("useful Syria") first. And these "humanitarian" jihadi rebels where busy saving lives by firing mortar guns on civilians daily, using suicide bombs, etc.

      The US/Iraq have a worse record on bombing cities sadly. Look at what was done to Mosul : it's sort of what the Russians did to Berlin in WW2. Iraqi were tired, exhausted, decimated and pissed off by their enemy's cruel and relentless behavior so they apparently leveled everything (in some parts at least) with artillery and bombs.

      If won't don't like shit blowing up and burying families in rubble we might only reluctantly approve Mosul being "liberated" in such a fashion. But if we allow Iraqi to defend themselves, why don't we allow the Syrians to defend themselves.

  9. I can sympathize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When Michael Brown was brutally executed by a police officer after robbing a store, and attempting to take that police officer's gun, I knew what it truly meant to live in a society ruled by an oppressive, tyrannical government. Like my brothers and sisters that have fought in China, Africa, Russia, Europe, and elsewhere for freedom, and ended up in mass graves, I knew that when Michael Brown was murdered in cold blood, it was time to act. It was time to BURN THAT BITCH TO THE GROUND! Hahahahaha!! I was a freedom fighter, fighting for freedom in the USA. I robbed stores because I wanted to make the world a better place. I stabbed my dad in the neck because white people (the devil) made me do it. I threw a molotov cocktail at a McDonald's for FUCKING FREEDOM!! I am anti-fascism. I am antifa. I burn books for the lulz.

    1. Re:I can sympathize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      STFU you retard, and go back to Berkeley. Low IQ types like you probably have no trouble getting doctorates, what with their affirmative action quotas and your hatred of the law. Fucking dirty ass hippie...

  10. "Backed Assad" by SuperKendall · · Score: 1, Informative

    USA backed Syrian rebel forces, until Trump switched to backing Assad due to his Russian links.

    I sure hope the U.S. does not "back" me anytime soon given what they did to Assad under Trump.

    If you want to see someone who truly supported Russia, look no further than Obama (who ignored them shooting down a commercial passenger jet) - or Hillary (who sold them oodles of uranium's secretary of state).

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    1. Re: "Backed Assad" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      If you want to see someone who truly supported Russia, look no further than Obama (who ignored them shooting down a commercial passenger jet)

      Yeah, remember when Reagan invaded Russia over Korean Air 007?

      or Hillary (who sold them oodles of uranium's secretary of state).

      Yeah, and all that Uranium is STILL in the ground, she didn't even mine it first.

      How lazy of her, she couldn't even load it for them.
       

    2. Re: "Backed Assad" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Uranium - Hillary has been debunked. If not for Obama it wouldn't be known Russia shot down the airliner and he countered the Russian agenda in the Ukraine. Now it's Russia - Trump's time under the microscope. Keep deflecting it makes it more obvious there is something to hide.

    3. Re:"Backed Assad" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Obama and HIllary doing those things to support Russia was because they had to. They supported Russia for the right reasons.

      Trump hasn't really don't anything yet for Russia, but you just know damn well he wants to. He is a Russian Puppet. They control him completely and will eventually make him do something like you mentioned.

    4. Re: "Backed Assad" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I heard a panelist on Microsoft NBC confirm that Dump even has to ask for permission to go to the bathroom. Russia controls him completely.

    5. Re: "Backed Assad" by unixisc · · Score: 1

      You guys need to stop pretending that Russia == Soviet Union, just b'cos both capitals is/was Moscow

    6. Re:"Backed Assad" by quantaman · · Score: 1

      USA backed Syrian rebel forces, until Trump switched to backing Assad due to his Russian links.

      I sure hope the U.S. does not "back" me anytime soon given what they did to Assad under Trump.

      Trump doesn't have a policy on Syria, he has a series of reactions that change with the news cycle.

      If you want to see someone who truly supported Russia, look no further than Obama (who ignored them shooting down a commercial passenger jet)

      And exactly what reaction was Obama supposed to have? The biggest question during the invasion of Ukraine was how to get Putin to stop with just Eastern Ukraine.

      - or Hillary (who sold them oodles of uranium's secretary of state).

      we'll get right on that after we've fought off the invasion from the lizard people.

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  11. Re:This is what happens ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This guy just died, and YOU are JOKING about it, jackoff.
     
    Emacs, not systemd.

  12. www.al-awa2el.com by MohamedOsama1718 · · Score: 1
    1. Re:www.al-awa2el.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When posts like this get upvoted, when they are thinly veiled references to "Dead N-Word Storage", I really have to wonder about slashdot.

  13. Re:Islam was once the shining star of the world. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In this case it has nothing to do with islam, just the usual dictator supported by other dictator, preferring to burn gis country rather than leave.
    And the world did nothing just because of a previous stupid war (Irak).

  14. Hillary's fault by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1, Insightful

    We could also have stayed out of it till ISIS and Assad had fought to the end, then knocked out the now weakened winner.

    Hillary Clinton could also have not assassinated Qaddafi, which left Libya a failed state and a terrorist haven. Qaddafi was not one of the good guys, but he was keeping all the local terrorism in check.

    Intelligence sources brought the opportunity to Hillary while she was SOS, and also noted that killing him would be a bad idea and predicted the rise of terrorism and [something similar to] ISIS if he was killed.

    Hillary overrode that decision and had him killed anyway(*).

    Nah, that's a false dichotomy. USA backed Syrian rebel forces, until Trump switched to backing Assad due to his Russian links. So he's currently ended CIA training of Syrian Rebels.

    He doesn't like Assad one bit (he's said as much), but he's also trying to stop the terrorism. Lesser of two evils and all that.

    You know - the terrorism that was enabled by Hillary's assassination of Qaddafi.

    (*) My personal view is that she did it because she wanted a "win" during here stint as SOS - something that would show leadership and decision making in her upcoming presidential run. Boy, *that* decision sure turned out to be a bad move for the rest of us!

    1. Re:Hillary's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Hillary" didn't assassinate anyone you stupid twat, AND FRANCE LEAD THE ATTACK ANYWAY. Can any Republicans read anymore at all?

    2. Re:Hillary's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Libya, Syria, as long as it's inhabited by brown people, it's all the same, isn't it?

    3. Re:Hillary's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would the US have said "No" there would have been no war. Instead the US carried the opening move - destroy the air defenses so that France and UK operated with about zero risk and zero casualties. You might as well argue France and UK did nothing like the US did nothing, they all did wage button-pressing warfare from the safety and comfort of a chair. Or waged war by keyboard and microphone, encouraging the mass killings.

    4. Re:Hillary's fault by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      You do realize that Arabs are considered to be "white" and not "brown".

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    5. Re:Hillary's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Libya was already becoming a failed state, it's revolution had already begun. The only thing they did different there than Syria was support the civilians who were revolting with air power early on. As a result a lot of Libyan's are pro-western (by comparison), the ISIS elements in Libya came in from outside and/or are the most radical of Libyans.

      In Syria they did NOT strongly or directly support the people who were revolting early on, partly because of Libya and partly because a larger fraction of those revolting against tyrrany had more extreme views. Not providing support helped drive a majority of the opposition into the arms of ISIS, because they could crush their opponents in the opposition, and people like joining winners.

      > the terrorism that was enabled by

      You have it utterly ass backwards.. ( and Libya would become a failed state no matter what anyone did, like Afghanistan and Iraq it's a country of tribes)

      The growth of terrorism was mostly enabled by a few really poor decisions before and after winning Iraq (insufficient troops to maintain order, dismissing all forces of law and order - both of these are on the Bush administration).

      > Hillary's assassination of Qaddafi.

      That's a complete absolute distortion of facts.

  15. Post joke society by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    This guy just died, and YOU are JOKING about it, jackoff.

    Ah, social justice.

    We're now living in a post-joke society.

    1. Re:Post joke society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Social justice and political correctness, or good manners should be considered completely separate things. That said, we should be joking about it since everything related to it was apparently secret. Maybe some Syrian bakery could now create an Assad flat bread, or a date and sesame seed cookies as a political joke. Then we could be chewing assads centuries from now, like we do with the macarons.

    2. Re: Post joke society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dark humor is like a child with cancer, it never gets old.

      Seriously go fuck off, you overly sensitive dipshit.

    3. Re:Post joke society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Political correctness and good manners are matters of opinion. But a self-centred piece of shit like you had never considered of that.

    4. Re:Post joke society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your ego is preventing you from understanding what is written. It's facepalming time.

    5. Re: Post joke society by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Lol, thank you.

    6. Re:Post joke society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says the self-centred piece of shit who thinks that everybody holds the same values.

    7. Re:Post joke society by CrybabiesArePeople · · Score: 0

      Ah, the crybabies. can't handle a "mean" comment, and blame it on "social justice". Go ahead, call mommy!

    8. Re:Post joke society by schleimkeim · · Score: 1

      This has nothing to do with social justice. This is just about decency.

    9. Re:Post joke society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the polar opposite what I said. Two people may hold the same values on what is good behavior but different values on what is politically correct. Or the other way around. That's the meaning of the keeping those separate, or independent from each other. So what is the difficulty here? Did the mentioning of those maracons (I was really thinking mazarins) trigger a bad memory from the colonial times? The French colonial world order was just that, the same values (of the State) for all, or else. They occasionally still seem to think so. Or was that gentle Assad-nudge too much for any Baathist sensibilities you may have?

  16. Re:This is what happens ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just died, as in died two years ago?

  17. Middle East has been a disaster for millennia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's absurd to blame Westerns for the situation in the Middle East. The various tribes there have been fighting amongst themselves for all of recorded history, and likely far before then, too.

    They were fighting each other before the USA and the modern nations of Europe were formed. They were fighting each other before the Crusades. They were fighting each other before the rise of Islam. They were fighting each other before the Roman Empire.

    Even with today's conflicts, it's actually more peaceful in the region than it generally has been for millennia.

    Simply put, most of the region is a horrid, inhospitable desert or semi-desert wasteland with too few resources to support anything but a very small nomadic population. Trying to go against this reality, like has been happening for centuries, will inherently lead to conflict.

    It's not the USA or Europe or Westerners who are responsible for the awful situation there. It is nature and the local inhabitants who are fully responsible.

    1. Re:Middle East has been a disaster for millennia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone was fighting everyone everywhere and forever until either the WW1 aftermath, the atomic bombings or the era around the US civil war when rifles actually became accurate and reliable enough to kill people.

      Saying it does not matter what the West does or doesn't do is like saying there was nothing wrong with Hitler invading Poland since all these backwards Poles and Lithuanians and Russians etc. would have killed themselves among each other anyway.

    2. Re:Middle East has been a disaster for millennia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see you've bought that ahistorical narrative.

      Did you know there are people alive today (with pictures and sometimes even video!) of a time when Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, and several of these "hellholes" looked much like how America portrayed itself in the 50's? Life was really good back then, until the US stuck fingers in their pie, instigated coups and uprisings to install right wing dictators, and destabilized literally the whole region. I beg that you don't believe me. READ IT FOR YOURSELF.

      The only reason to be ignorant, especially of extremely well documented history, nowadays is laziness. Don't be lazy. Educate yourself.

  18. Re: Islam was once the shining star of the world. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In this case it has nothing to do with islam

    Did you seriously just claim that about a conflict where one of the main belligerents is a quasi-state that has declared itself to be an Islamic caliphate?!

  19. Will Mozilla honor him? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it's true that he was a Firefox contributor, then will Mozilla be honoring him? Will they temporarily change everybody's Firefox start page to a page that honors his memory?

  20. Live with ISIS, Die with ISIS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Play with fire, get burned.

  21. This is what real fascism looks like by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Informative

    For all those winers out there that are always complaining the U.S. is a fascist dictatorship - this is what real fascism looks like.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:This is what real fascism looks like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CmdrCody and I are both winers.

    2. Re:This is what real fascism looks like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. When a n-word is committing or has committed a felony, and he gets arrested by a police officer, THAT IS FASCISM. Or at least, that's what I learned from Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

    3. Re:This is what real fascism looks like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kill yourself you retard

    4. Re:This is what real fascism looks like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish more people would say this to the n-words that are polluting the USA. I am getting fucking sick and tired of these low IQ fucks ruining America. Go back to Africa if you don't like it here, you n-words!!!

    5. Re:This is what real fascism looks like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are you retarded? the guy probably died on a USA air raid

    6. Re:This is what real fascism looks like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Way to stand on the body of an innocent man to make a point.

      Just because you're correct doesn't mean you have to be an asshole.

    7. Re:This is what real fascism looks like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think the latter is in any way contingent on the former.

    8. Re:This is what real fascism looks like by JThundley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I won't claim that the U.S. is a fascist dictatorship, but your pointing at another country torturing people and executing civilians without a proper trial isn't really a good example, don't you think?

    9. Re:This is what real fascism looks like by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      your pointing at another country torturing people and executing civilians without a proper trial isn't really a good example, don't you think?

      Actually I DO think, and I am curious why you think otherwise...

      To be honest, not actually curious so much as sad that you think so. The poison of moral equivalence is as strong as it is deadly to the mind.

      --
      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    10. Re:This is what real fascism looks like by JThundley · · Score: 1

      I have an open mind, so explain yourself. Do you disagree that the United States tortures prisoners and kills civilians?

    11. Re:This is what real fascism looks like by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Just because somewhere else in the world is an unbearable shithole doesn't mean one should accept a mediocre government back home.

    12. Re:This is what real fascism looks like by quantaman · · Score: 2

      For all those winers out there that are always complaining the U.S. is a fascist dictatorship - this is what real fascism looks like.

      No one here is complaining that the U.S. is a fascist dictatorship, they're complaining that Trump is moving the country in the direction of fascism, and that the leaders who he most often expressed admiration for tend to be fascists.

      Take a pre-war Assad and make him Christian he's probably joining Putin and Duterte on Trump's wall of inspirational posters.

      --
      I stole this Sig
    13. Re: This is what real fascism looks like by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      That's not the point. It's correctly pointing out what a real repressive government looks like. It doesn't look anything like the US government. This despite educated people with advanced credentials claiming without irony that the US President is Hitler. That's what's being pointed out here.

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      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    14. Re:This is what real fascism looks like by eriks · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we have Fascism Lite. Now With Longer Elections!

      Seriously though, The US doesn't (often) extra-judiciously kill it's own citizens. But it admits to torturing people, and has innocent blood on its hands.

      There's a case to be made that it genuinely does all this in the name of getting the "bad guys", but how hard is it for us to get our government to stop torturing people, even people who have done terrible things, and stop killing innocent civilians in our name? If we still have this power, as a people, then, no, we do not live in a fascist state.

    15. Re:This is what real fascism looks like by Shompol · · Score: 1

      A 1930th Germany was not a fascist dictatorship either. What happened? Here's a little insight from Naomi Wolf. My grandparents told me how during Stalin repressions KGB was eavesdropping everyone and sending less fortunate ones to forced labour camp. We are not there yet, but we already got NSA to take care of... needs.

    16. Re:This is what real fascism looks like by CrybabiesArePeople · · Score: 0

      Lol quite not! Syria is a brutal dictatorship, failed state and whatnot, but not fascist. Trump/trump's government is closer to fascism (as defined by historians, mussolini himself etc) without being (for now) full on fascist...Not all dictatorships and brutal regimes are fascist you know?

    17. Re: This is what real fascism looks like by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      For all intents and purposes, compared to the rest of the US government he is.

      Local politics must be viewed in a local context or you're racing to mediocrity if not to the bottom.

    18. Re:This is what real fascism looks like by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      The US doesn't (often) extra-judiciously kill it's own citizens

      Yeah, those uppity Black Lives Matter folks should just shut up and move back to the back of the bus.

      --
      "I know I will be modded down for this": where's the option '-1, Asking for it'?
    19. Re: This is what real fascism looks like by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      Wow, Godwins Law. Jesus Christ. Trump is not Hitler, he's not even a fascist. You're living in a delusion. Why haven't the roundups and camps started yet? Trump is such a terrifying fascist dictator that literally nobody fears speaking out against him on any platform.

      --
      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    20. Re:This is what real fascism looks like by eriks · · Score: 1

      You're right, of course, and my comment (particularly taken out of context) rightly deserves your sarcasm.

      Sometimes the police look more like state-sponsored gangs than people "protecting and serving" -- which might be the most scathing indictment of our system, and definitely ticks a box on the "Are we fascist yet" list.

    21. Re:This is what real fascism looks like by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      The sarcasm was not meant personally, I'm just a sarcastic bastard. But yes, your comment sounded as if you had overlooked that.

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      "I know I will be modded down for this": where's the option '-1, Asking for it'?
    22. Re:This is what real fascism looks like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you think context and/or law matters?

    23. Re:This is what real fascism looks like by dddux · · Score: 1

      Yes, this is what real fascism looks like. Be prepared.

      --
      "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu Krishnamurti
  22. Barbaric by Damouze · · Score: 1

    No crime is so severe that it justifies a government sanctioned murder.

    --
    And on the Eighth Day, Man created God.
    1. Re:Barbaric by iggymanz · · Score: 1, Funny

      wrong and naive.

      look at these pedophiles that kidnap, torture and then kill a child. Removing them from the planet is the logical thing to do.

    2. Re:Barbaric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a waste of resources to me. Such acts of cruelty should not earn a merciful death.

      Such people should be forced to face hard labor for their crimes. The money they otherwise would have been paid will instead cover the costs of their incarceration, food, etc.

      Keeping them alive is not an act of mercy if they are basically slaves. It's putting them to good use, benefiting the rest of society, and still punishing them.

      Killing them only makes sense if this isn't an option; in which case it is necessary to protect their future victims from them.

    3. Re:Barbaric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keeping them alive is not an act of mercy if they are basically slaves.

      Making them slaves doesn't make them regret what they did.

      Some people seem to think that working to restore criminals humanity somehow is being "weak on crime".
      There is a reason the primary concern in prisons that actually knows what they are doing is to make sure that the criminal doesn't commit suicide.
      If they do they can't atone for their sins.

    4. Re:Barbaric by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      pointless looking for "atonement" or "guilt" or "remorse"...take out the trash!

  23. Re:This is what happens ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Social justice isn't limited by your western white privileged calendar!!!

  24. Re: Islam was once the shining star of the world. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, that's how smart people are able to hate equally on all religions. It's all the same to them, no need to get into the details. They KNOW that suicidal killers don't really mean what they say, are too ignorant to know the greater context, and so ALL terrorism has nothing to do with religion, it's obviously because of social-economic foreign policy-gone-wrong causes. Nope, can never be because of religion, just please ignore what the killers are actually saying, they don't know what they're saying, but we do.

  25. Re:Islam was once the shining star of the world. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many of our most important shared concepts for mathematics, astronomy, and philosophy came from the open and free encouragement from Islamic cultures in their golden age.

    Quite a minority, actually. I'm not quite sure how "philosophy", a generally Western concept applies to Eastern cultures, but when it comes to mathematics, almost all, if not all of college-level stuff relevant today is post-1700, perhaps save for basic univariate calculus. (I think Keith Devlin noted that in some of his writings? But it should be obvious that the pace of research was uneven historically.) When it comes to astronomy, names of major stars are *the* most obvious heritage from that region of time-space, but astronomy of the High Middle Ages was hopelessly wrong on many things. (Mathematics at least had the benefit of "once proven, forever correct".)

  26. Not uncommon now by Martin+S. · · Score: 1

    ... for stories to sit in the firehose for days.

    It used to be Slashdot breaking these kind of stories.

  27. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, $subject says it all.

  28. wright and rong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Islamic societies, there are no objective morals, no objective right and wrong, only interpretations and personal opinions.
    Everything you assume about it needs to be researched. Secularism by nature would be harsh in Islamic societies, as the opposition would be.
    The more you look at Islam the more of a joke it becomes. Most religions would try to better humans, just the opposite with this piece of work.
    Do not tolerate intolerance.

  29. Is this story even true? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With all the fake news coming out, I have to wonder if this story is true.

    Reminds me of the "Assad gassing his own people" flap. Turns out that Assad didn't do it, the "rebels" did it using poison gas from Turkey. But the lie was propagated endlessly (including right here on Slashdot) before the truth came out.

    (As to why the rebels would do it: They were losing badly then, as they are now, and they needed a U.S. invasion to save their asses. As a large part of them were affiliated with Al Qaeda, they had the typical terrorist's concern for civilian deaths -- i.e. none.)

    1. Re: Is this story even true? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Complete and total nonsense. Assad gassed, bombed, shot, burned and buried his opponents, who are of course the majority of the Syrian population.

    2. Re: Is this story even true? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Complete and total nonsense. Assad gassed, bombed, shot, burned and buried his opponents, who are of course the majority of the Syrian population."

      Three years later, this "majority of the Syrian population" that Assad supposedly gassed then proceeded to give his Ba'ath party an overwhelming approval of 200 of 250 seats in 2016. Why would they do that if Assad was as nasty as you claim?

      Either you are seriously misinformed or you are deliberately spreading fake news.

  30. The deal w/ Syria by unixisc · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, the other choices were Muslim Brotherhood - the only longstanding opposition in Syria not only during this president's reign, but also during that of his father, Hafez al Assad. As well as Jabaat al-Nusra, an al Qaeda affiliate, and other myriad Jihadist parties all over the country that united under the Islamic Front banner, and had allegance to the Saudis. The Kurds were a local force in the NorthEast, and in any case, running into problems w/ the Turks, who fear that an independent Kurdistan would just inspire their own Kurdish population in the East to either revolt or secede.

    Also, this Assad was a moderate, and started off as a reformer. His father, Hafez al Assad, was a real terrorism backer throughout the region. He came to power in 1970, made Syria the successor state to Nasserite Egypt as far as being a Soviet ally went, and backed terrorist organizations throughout the region. For the longest time, Hamas and Islamic Jihad had major offices in Damascus, which they only closed when this civil war started. Hafez Assad also stood out in being one of 2 Arab regimes to support Iran in the 8 year long Ira war b/w Iran & Iraq, and did all he could to make Lebanon a de-facto part of Syria, including assassinating their president elect Bashir Gemayel. Only in 1991 did relations w/ the US improve, b'cos Syria supported the allied side against Iraq, due to Assad's personal enmity w/ Saddam Hussein.

    When his son came to power in 2000, he was a novice, and decided to start a perestroika like process in Syria. Which went on well until the Arab Spring started. Once regimes in Tunisia, Egypt & Libya started falling, the Saudis decided to inspire a Sunni insurrection in Syria that would disrupt Iran's Shi'ite Crescent of Iran, Iraq, Syria & Lebanon, since that would fall under the guise of the 'Arab Spring'. Except that unlike Egypt or Tunisia which have homogeneous populations and where none of them stood to be massacred should regimes change (except the hapless Copts), in Syria, that had lethal implications for the Alawites, whom Sunnis and even some Shi'ites regard as heretics. The Baathist coalition of Alawites, Shi'ites, Christians & Druze feared that they'd be massacred if the Assad regime fell, which explains why the insurrection turned into a civil war.

    Also, if one notices some of the activities of the 'rebels' during this war, there had been ethnic cleansing of Christians and Alawites from cities like Aleppo, Homs, and so on. In fact, after the first Iraqi 'democratic' Shi'ite regime came to power, the persecution of Iraqi Christians by the Shi'ites started, causing them to flee to Syria. In Syria, they joined their religious comrades, and again found themselves driven out into Lebanon. So the idea that it was just Assad who by releasing the terrorists, contaminated the 'freedom loving' pool is just hogwash. That made sense for Saddam to do in 2003, but not Assad: releasing Sunni terrorists would just increase the ranks of his enemies.

    Anyway, fact remains that even w/o ISIS - which was essentially remnants of Zarqawi's al Qaeda spinoff - all the 'rebels' in Syria were Sunni Jihadists who during their campaigns massacred or drove out the ethnic peoples they opposed. If Assad were to get overthrown, it's they who would come to power, and make Syria an even greater bloodbath than it already is. Israel, which never was a friend of Syria's, made it a point to stay neutral but root for Assad: the last thing they want on the Golan border is a Hamas like Muslim Brotherhood regime like Morsi's. Egypt, which was w/ the rest of the Arab League & OIC in expelling Syria due to the war, recently decided to re-open channels w/ Syria, b'cos like Syria, they know the pitfalls of falling under the Muslim Brotherhood. Even though al Sisi is no friend to Iran or Hizbullah.

    1. Re: The deal w/ Syria by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that. Also, fuck religion.

    2. Re: The deal w/ Syria by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Make that 'Fuck Islam'. The Yazidis, the Assyrians, the Chaldeans, the Maronites, the Copts, the Jews ain't the ones creating trouble for everyone else

    3. Re: The deal w/ Syria by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Give 'em a chance and see. Or rewind Christianity a few centuries. Heck, rewind Islam enough centuries Islam is the biggest problem religion now, but that's just for now.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    4. Re: The deal w/ Syria by unixisc · · Score: 1

      You'd have to rewind Christianity to the 1600s to get the Thirty Year War, when the Catholic Habsburgs had it it on the Protestant Germans & Swedes. Although there were exceptions - Catholic France fighting on the Protestant side (while persecuting the Hugenots) and Lutheran Denmark fighting on the Catholic side.

      Anyway, Islam has been given plenty of chances over about half the globe - from Gambia to Brunei, and everywhere, it's been a bloody tale. Only place that's peaceful are the former Soviet 'stans', and that's b'cos first the Tsars, and then the Soviets, did a great job in suppressing Islam there. Uzbekistan though looks like a Tunisia, where if the regime there falls, they could get a Timuride government dedicated to resurrecting the Timuride empire at least in the stans. However, Russia still has a strong presence in those countries, since it wouldn't want Kazakhstan to become an Afghanistan

  31. No, golden age wasn't Islamic by unixisc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Interestingly enough, that 'golden age' only occurred at the beginning of Iran's conversion to Islam: some of the people usually lionized had unknown origins, and were clearly converts to Islam from something else - be it Zoroastrianism, Christianity or Judaism. Iran did have a great culture during the Sassanid dynasty, and that didn't collapse overnight. The Samanids, who aside from Islam, were proud of their Iranian heritage, continued to patronize that for a bit, but once their empire collapsed, it went south from there.

    Aside from that, there is also the fact that a lot of the 'achievements' were imports from the east - be it China or India. They love boasting about the 'Arabic' numerals, ignoring the fact that those things, and the number zero, originated in India, and was at one time called either 'Hindu numerals' or at worst 'Hindu-Arabic numerals'. Other works were translations into Arabic or Farsi, which, while noteworthy, is not the same as being an original creator.

    Also, if all these achievements were products of Islam, why wasn't that replicated anywhere else in the Islamic empire? There were a myriad number of Muslim sultanates and emirates throughout history, from Mali to Brunei. So why weren't there more Islamic scholars from these various kingdoms who contributed meaningfully to culture? Reason is that 'bida', or innovation, is considered verboten in Islam, which is why it's rarely done.

  32. Was on soylentnews a few days ago. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kind of surprised this wasn't a BeauHD posting.

    Another good one, although I don't have the link, is about the Saudi Arabian crackdown on Shiites in some village, who are being shelled and were told they would die if they didn't leave the village (but the shelling supposedly started before they had a chance to evacuate.)

    Given the fact that the US just closed a HUGE arms deal with them, it seems like a story that should be getting more exposure, but the MSM has been totally mum on it (and nobody on either slashdot or soylent picked up the link and submitted it as a news item when I posted it a few days ago.)

  33. Odd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    He was allowed to blog and tweet from prison... in Syria? All the while being tortured and eventually executed. The world is indeed a peculiar place.

  34. Rebunked by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

    I noted you provided no links for your revisionist lies - Hillary provided uranium to Russia, that is a fact, end of story.

    The link you failed to provide was probably Snopes, and if you are so stupid as to believe a known mouthpiece for Hillary over the NYT and Forbes - well I don't know what to tell you. Actually I do, it's think for yourself, but I know you will not so why bother trying?

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Rebunked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hahaha you vatnik piece of shit. You're in for a few stressful months.

    2. Re:Rebunked by CrybabiesArePeople · · Score: 0

      'Think for yourself"...that's quite the pot calling the kettle black!! are you a real person? How can somebody appear so ignorant and dumb and still make semi cogent sentences, is quite extraordinary.

  35. Find the Cost of Freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's a martyr. Unfortunately for some there is a high price to pay for making a stand. This is an old Crosby Stills and Nash protest song from the 1960's protesting the Vietnam War (actually never officially declared a war, it was technically called "A police action".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nlXmYVE_X8

    p> Captch: miseries

  36. Power vacuum by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    If it wasn't for the massive power vacuum that would be left behind, I'd say send an assassin in to kill Assad. I think even Adolph Hitler would have been taken aback by what that monster is capable of. But the power vacuum left behind would actually be worse in the long run. There needs to be a smooth transition of power, with Assad locked up the rest of his unnatural life, and a real functional government, that isn't slaughtering it's own citizens, in place.